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I heard Derek Bell on Fox Sports Net refer to the Indy infield backstraight as the Hulman Straight. Is that "official;" did they name the straights/turns? Sundown

What do you think so far Greg ? On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:20:16 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Tim 'Sundown' Traylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I heard Derek Bell on Fox Sports Net refer to the Indy infield >> backstraight as the Hulman Straight. Is that "official;" did they name >> the straights/turns? > >According to the map that came with my tickets, the straight is right >on top of the old access road within the infield which is named >"Hulman Blvd". They did name turns 9 & 10 as Mickey & Mouse >though :-)

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:k32z5.14852$[email hidden]... > "Tim 'Sundown' Traylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > According to the map that came with my tickets, the straight is right > on top of the old access road within the infield which is named > "Hulman Blvd". They did name turns 9 & 10 as Mickey & Mouse > though :-) hehehe.... don

Yeah, on Fox Sports Net, they referred to the back straight as both "the Hulman Straight" (Derek Bell) and "Hulman Blvd." (Mike Joy). Besides Mickey and Mouse (turns 9 and 10), all I've heard as far as naming was "Indy Turn 1" (Turn 13). Sundown

Tim 'Sundown' Traylor wrote: > > I heard Derek Bell on Fox Sports Net refer to the Indy infield > backstraight as the Hulman Straight. It's one of the main infield access roads named Hulman Boulevard (after longtime IMS owner Tony Hulman)

"Tim 'Sundown' Traylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I heard Derek Bell on Fox Sports Net refer to the Indy infield > backstraight as the Hulman Straight. Is that "official;" did they name > the straights/turns? According to the map that came with my tickets, the straight is right on top of the old access road within the infield which is named "Hulman Blvd". They did name turns 9 & 10 as Mickey & Mouse though :-) -- [email hidden]

I'm not exactly sure about this guys. I was there in T13 and there were a significant number of empty seats, and plenty of scalpers looking to unload tickets. I'm not sure if it was the weather or what. But then again hotel rooms were booked much farther in advance for the GP then for either other race at the brickyard this year. I typically see all the races at Indy, and having never saw a Formula 1 race, I wasn't sure what to expect. I must say though, hearing the cars scream by on the oval at full throttle was an experience that I'm not sure I can handle only once a year. I hope they've found a long term home here, because I'll definitely be coming back every year. I happen to be watching a rebroadcast right now and frankly, they don't do the whole experience justice. I just hope more people feel like I do. Chuck Kleinhagen

The street that runs north-south through the Speedway is called "Hulman Boulevard," and the back straight of the F1 track runs parallel to that road (they butt right up against each other, in fact), which means that the back straight pretty much IS Hulman Boulevard, so the name "Hulman Straight" is rather appropriate. -- JB In article <[email hidden]>, Tim 'Sundown' Traylor <[email hidden]> wrote: > Yeah, on Fox Sports Net, they referred to the back straight asboth > "the Hulman Straight" (Derek Bell) and "Hulman Blvd." (Mike Joy). > Besides Mickey and Mouse (turns 9 and 10), all I've heard as far as > naming was "Indy Turn 1" (Turn 13). > > Sundown > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I thought it was great. The biggest crowd in F1 history. -- [email hidden] "Mike Blackmore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What do you think so far Greg ? > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:20:16 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >"Tim 'Sundown' Traylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> I heard Derek Bell on Fox Sports Net refer to the Indy infield > >> backstraight as the Hulman Straight. Is that "official;" did they name > >> the straights/turns? > > > >According to the map that came with my tickets, the straight is right > >on top of the old access road within the infield which is named > >"Hulman Blvd". They did name turns 9 & 10 as Mickey & Mouse > >though :-) >

Serious question, Greg - given the perceived lack of excitement in an F1 race, do you think the average person there would go back for a second year? The pictures looked great, well done to the organisers. One other thing, I read that the old 'Ring used to get larger crowds, it was just that (obviously) they were spaced out more! Anyone know if that's true or not? -- Colin Harris Bomber Racing: Http://fullspeed.to/Bomber ICQ 25485061 Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nO0A5.19001$[email hidden]... > I thought it was great. The biggest crowd in F1 history. > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > "Mike Blackmore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What do you think so far Greg ? > > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:20:16 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >"Tim 'Sundown' Traylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> I heard Derek Bell on Fox Sports Net refer to the Indy infield > > >> backstraight as the Hulman Straight. Is that "official;" did they name > > >> the straights/turns? > > > > > >According to the map that came with my tickets, the straight is right > > >on top of the old access road within the infield which is named > > >"Hulman Blvd". They did name turns 9 & 10 as Mickey & Mouse > > >though :-) > > > >

"Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V51A5.6554$[email hidden]... > Serious question, Greg - given the perceived lack of excitement in an F1 > race, do you think the average person there would go back for a secondyear? A reasonable question and frankly I don't know. Some of the Nascar hicks may not go back. But I am sure it is no problem to sell it out. After all it is Indy and they are running F1 openwheel cars. The IRL cars by comparision are tinker toys. CART isn't even an option at Indy. > The pictures looked great, well done to the organisers. > One other thing, I read that the old 'Ring used to get larger crowds, it > was just that (obviously) they were spaced out more! Anyone know if that's > true or not? Well Fox sports net and the Chicago Tribune said it was the largest crown in F1 history. So I think your example would be covered. The latest figures I heard was 225,000 to 250,000 paid. Not bad if you ask me. I believe Tony George made all his money back that he spent on the upgrade. -- [email hidden]

The reason that everything was booked solid is that there was some world class dog show going on in indy at the same time as the race. Then Monday Night Football was in indy on monday. So there was more going on there than just the USGP. -- [email hidden] "CBear3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm not exactly sure about this guys. I was there in T13 and there were a > significant number of empty seats, and plenty of scalpers looking to unload > tickets. I'm not sure if it was the weather or what. But then again hotel > rooms were booked much farther in advance for the GP then for either other race > at the brickyard this year. I typically see all the races at Indy, and having > never saw a Formula 1 race, I wasn't sure what to expect. I must say though, > hearing the cars scream by on the oval at full throttle was an experience that > I'm not sure I can handle only once a year. I hope they've found a long term > home here, because I'll definitely be coming back every year. I happen to be > watching a rebroadcast right now and frankly, they don't do the whole > experience justice. I just hope more people feel like I do. > Chuck Kleinhagen

In article <[email hidden]>, cbear3 @aol.com says... I must say though, > hearing the cars scream by on the oval at full throttle was an experience that > I'm not sure I can handle only once a year. It hurts saying this, being a Ferrari fan, but those McLarens sounded absolutely thrilling. I was on the infield mound in Mickey-Mouse Sunday during warm-up, and the sound of the accelerating Macs was very distinct. But they weren't the only ones - for a brief time on Saturday I sat in the short chute between turns 12 and 13, and the wail of all the F1 engines rebounding out of the stands was unforgettable. -- s i m a g e r y @ h o t m a i l . c o m

Did anyone notice how strikingly horrible that Minardi engines were? They just sounded like crap. -- [email hidden] "BriGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, cbear3 > @aol.com says... > > I must say though, > > hearing the cars scream by on the oval at full throttle was an experience that > > I'm not sure I can handle only once a year. > > It hurts saying this, being a Ferrari fan, but those McLarens sounded > absolutely thrilling. I was on the infield mound in Mickey-Mouse Sunday > during warm-up, and the sound of the accelerating Macs was very > distinct. But they weren't the only ones - for a brief time on Saturday > I sat in the short chute between turns 12 and 13, and the wail of all > the F1 engines rebounding out of the stands was unforgettable. > > -- > > s i m a g e r y @ h o t m a i l . c o m

A few years ago..when the V10 was just beginning to take over, there were Ford V-8's, Honda and Renault V-10's and Ferrari V-12's. You could listen to the race with your eyes shut and make a pretty good guess who was driving by the microphones. Now with all the generic V10's they pretty much all sound the same...except those freekin' Mercedes/Ilmor's. How many rubber bands do they inside those things?? dave henrie "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xClA5.20578$[email hidden]...

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> Did anyone notice how strikingly horrible that Minardi engines > were? They just sounded like crap. > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > "BriGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, cbear3 > > @aol.com says... > > > > I must say though, > > > hearing the cars scream by on the oval at full throttle was an > experience that > > > I'm not sure I can handle only once a year. > > > > It hurts saying this, being a Ferrari fan, but those McLarens sounded > > absolutely thrilling. I was on the infield mound in Mickey-Mouse Sunday > > during warm-up, and the sound of the accelerating Macs was very > > distinct. But they weren't the only ones - for a brief time on Saturday > > I sat in the short chute between turns 12 and 13, and the wail of all > > the F1 engines rebounding out of the stands was unforgettable. > > > > -- > > > > s i m a g e r y @ h o t m a i l . c o m > >

Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > A few years ago..when the V10 was just beginning to take over, there were > Ford V-8's, Honda and Renault V-10's and Ferrari V-12's. You could listen > to the race with your eyes shut and make a pretty good guess who was driving > by the microphones. Now with all the generic V10's they pretty much all > sound the same...except those freekin' Mercedes/Ilmor's. How many rubber > bands do they inside those things?? Hehehe. BTW, was it really true that Toyota's F1 project was forced to develop a V10 engine because FIA didn't want any other kind of engines (such as the V12 they had been working on) in the series? I heard this somewhere, but find it hard to digest. Not even FIA could be that stupid. Also, why is it that nobody's developing boxer engines for formulas? Common sense says that their center of gravity would be clearly lower than that of a V engine. +Cinquo

In article <8quq6k$fir$[email hidden]>, Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hehehe. BTW, was it really true that Toyota's F1 project was forced >to develop a V10 engine because FIA didn't want any other kind of >engines (such as the V12 they had been working on) in the series? >I heard this somewhere, but find it hard to digest. Not even FIA >could be that stupid. FIA Formula One tech specification 5.1.4 specifically call out that "all engines must have 10 cylinders". I don't know how long it has been on the books. The full tech and sporting regulations can be found at www.fia.com.

Ville V Sinkko wrote: > > Also, why is it that nobody's developing boxer engines for formulas? > Common sense says that their center of gravity would be clearly > lower than that of a V engine. The new Renault engine in development for next year will have the widest V-angle of any modern F1 engine by a large margin according to Autosport, guess you're not the only one thinking along those lines....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Also, why is it that nobody's developing boxer engines for formulas? > > Common sense says that their center of gravity would be clearly > > lower than that of a V engine. My understanding of the classic Ferrari "Boxer" flat-12 was that gas glow was a real problem. A V configuration enables the designer to have a cross-flow head with intake on inner and exhaust on outer. This leads to an optimal positioning of intakes and exhaust pipes for the complete package. A boxer may well be able to position the cylinders lower for CoG, but then where does it place the exhausts ? In the overall car package a V still looks optimal. Peter

Greg, did you also notice how flat and brassy the BAR Honda engine sounded next to the Jordan Honda? Sound of 40 extra ponies there, I guess. Also, I learned a painful lesson about not taking ear plugs while sitting in the penthouse on Saturday....My ears rang until Wed. Oh, and add Sauber to the crap list. On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:24:04 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Did anyone notice how strikingly horrible that Minardi engines >were? They just sounded like crap.

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> In article <8quq6k$fir$[email hidden]>, Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Hehehe. BTW, was it really true that Toyota's F1 project was forced > >to develop a V10 engine because FIA didn't want any other kind of > >engines (such as the V12 they had been working on) in the series? > >I heard this somewhere, but find it hard to digest. Not even FIA > >could be that stupid. > > FIA Formula One tech specification 5.1.4 specifically call out that "all > engines must have 10 cylinders". I don't know how long it has been on the > books. The full tech and sporting regulations can be found at www.fia.com.

The original post is correct. Toyota were developing a V12 engine that they were going to use when entering the championship in 2001. When the FIA changed the rules to limit engines to 10 cylinders, Toyota had to postpone their entry into F1 until 2002. Mika Salo, currently driving for Sauber, has signed on with Toyota. He will test the car during its development all of next year and then race for them in 2002. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

In article <8quq6k$fir$[email hidden]>, Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> writes: > >Also, why is it that nobody's developing boxer engines for formulas? >Common sense says that their center of gravity would be clearly >lower than that of a V engine. > CoG is good, but the aerodynamics suck. You've got to pinch in the bodywork behind the sidepods to get clean air to the rear wing, and more importantly, the tunnel. The aero shadow of the driver can't be avoided, might as well put the engine there and pinch in the lower parts. I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express at Indy, so I know these things. Don McCorkle

well.. unfortunately ALOT of out of town fans got crappy seats because scalpers gobble up all the good seats. I live in Indy... and happen to work with someone who knows Tony George... and alot of people put in applications for 1 selection. If they couldn't get that seat area, then they weren't going. I waited till about a month before the race and ordered General Admission tickets for the whole weekend. Ticket scalpers are idiots!!!! My friends who went with me paid 85 dollars for their tickets and they weren't nearly as excited as I was sitting in the cold, wet mounds right in front of all the spin outs!! I screamed like crazy when I saw fire coming out of Mika's exhaust... and then later when Schuie spun out... I wanted to run out on the track and hold that Ferrari down for about 30 seconds longer until Frentzen could catch up!! "CBear3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm not exactly sure about this guys. I was there in T13 and there were a > significant number of empty seats, and plenty of scalpers looking tounload > tickets. I'm not sure if it was the weather or what. But then againhotel > rooms were booked much farther in advance for the GP then for either otherrace > at the brickyard this year. I typically see all the races at Indy, andhaving > never saw a Formula 1 race, I wasn't sure what to expect. I must saythough, > hearing the cars scream by on the oval at full throttle was an experiencethat > I'm not sure I can handle only once a year. I hope they've found a longterm > home here, because I'll definitely be coming back every year. I happen tobe > watching a rebroadcast right now and frankly, they don't do the whole > experience justice. I just hope more people feel like I do. > Chuck Kleinhagen

My friend that went with the Ferrari Club of America said that the club reserved 800 seats in section H. I had to sit in Tower Terrace right under the TV screen that pointed to the other side and I could not watch :-( The sound of the cars and crowd down the front straight was awesome. Lutrell Braveheart wrote in message ...

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>well.. unfortunately ALOT of out of town fans got crappy seats because >scalpers gobble up all the good seats. >I live in Indy... and happen to work with someone who knows Tony George... >and alot of people put in applications for 1 selection. If they couldn't >get that seat area, then they weren't going. I waited till about a month >before the race and ordered General Admission tickets for the whole weekend. >Ticket scalpers are idiots!!!! My friends who went with me paid 85 dollars >for their tickets and they weren't nearly as excited as I was sitting in the >cold, wet mounds right in front of all the spin outs!! I screamed like >crazy when I saw fire coming out of Mika's exhaust... and then later when >Schuie spun out... I wanted to run out on the track and hold that Ferrari >down for about 30 seconds longer until Frentzen could catch up!! > >"CBear3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I'm not exactly sure about this guys. I was there in T13 and there were a >> significant number of empty seats, and plenty of scalpers looking to >unload >> tickets. I'm not sure if it was the weather or what. But then again >hotel >> rooms were booked much farther in advance for the GP then for either other >race >> at the brickyard this year. I typically see all the races at Indy, and >having >> never saw a Formula 1 race, I wasn't sure what to expect. I must say >though, >> hearing the cars scream by on the oval at full throttle was an experience >that >> I'm not sure I can handle only once a year. I hope they've found a long >term >> home here, because I'll definitely be coming back every year. I happen to >be >> watching a rebroadcast right now and frankly, they don't do the whole >> experience justice. I just hope more people feel like I do. >> Chuck Kleinhagen > >

Yup - you could tell the McLarens with your eyes closed. "BriGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, cbear3 > @aol.com says... > > I must say though, > > hearing the cars scream by on the oval at full throttle was anexperience that

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> > I'm not sure I can handle only once a year. > > It hurts saying this, being a Ferrari fan, but those McLarens sounded > absolutely thrilling. I was on the infield mound in Mickey-Mouse Sunday > during warm-up, and the sound of the accelerating Macs was very > distinct. But they weren't the only ones - for a brief time on Saturday > I sat in the short chute between turns 12 and 13, and the wail of all > the F1 engines rebounding out of the stands was unforgettable. > > -- > > s i m a g e r y @ h o t m a i l . c o m

Aerodynamics was the reason why Brabham built the Fan Car, The flat Alfa 12 wouldn't permit a true and effective "Wing car". It is also not entirely true that a flat engine necessarily would give a lower centre of gravity since the crank is the heaviest part of the engine and when effectiveness of inlet and exhaust system is taken in consideration, you might end up having the crank in a higher position with a flat engine than with a V engine. In the old days when they had larger flywheels that was not much of an issue, but with todays clutches with a diameter of less than 100mm (thats about 4 inches for the imperial guys) the engines are mounted considerably lower. Ville V Sinkko wrote:

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> Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > > A few years ago..when the V10 was just beginning to take over, there were > > Ford V-8's, Honda and Renault V-10's and Ferrari V-12's. You could listen > > to the race with your eyes shut and make a pretty good guess who was driving > > by the microphones. Now with all the generic V10's they pretty much all > > sound the same...except those freekin' Mercedes/Ilmor's. How many rubber > > bands do they inside those things?? > > Hehehe. BTW, was it really true that Toyota's F1 project was forced > to develop a V10 engine because FIA didn't want any other kind of > engines (such as the V12 they had been working on) in the series? > I heard this somewhere, but find it hard to digest. Not even FIA > could be that stupid. > > Also, why is it that nobody's developing boxer engines for formulas? > Common sense says that their center of gravity would be clearly > lower than that of a V engine. > > +Cinquo

I think you're right. To me, the GA tickets for Fri and Sat were great bargains, but the race tickets were...not so great. I had an extra ticket for Sun and couldn't peddle it for anything. If I go back on Sun next year, it will be on the infield mounds at the chicanes. BTW, I heard there will be Thursday free practice next year. Any confirmation? Also, GP Tours has tickets available for the paddock glassed in area, only 4700 for the 3 days. Guess I'll stick to GA tickets. On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:32:16 GMT, "Braveheart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>well.. unfortunately ALOT of out of town fans got crappy seats because >scalpers gobble up all the good seats. >I live in Indy... and happen to work with someone who knows Tony George... >and alot of people put in applications for 1 selection. If they couldn't >get that seat area, then they weren't going. I waited till about a month >before the race and ordered General Admission tickets for the whole weekend. >Ticket scalpers are idiots!!!! My friends who went with me paid 85 dollars >for their tickets and they weren't nearly as excited as I was sitting in the >cold, wet mounds right in front of all the spin outs!! I screamed like >crazy when I saw fire coming out of Mika's exhaust... and then later when >Schuie spun out... I wanted to run out on the track and hold that Ferrari >down for about 30 seconds longer until Frentzen could catch up!!

Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8quq6k$fir$[email hidden]... > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > > A few years ago..when the V10 was just beginning to take over, therewere > > Ford V-8's, Honda and Renault V-10's and Ferrari V-12's. You couldlisten > > to the race with your eyes shut and make a pretty good guess who wasdriving > > by the microphones. Now with all the generic V10's they pretty much all > > sound the same...except those freekin' Mercedes/Ilmor's. How manyrubber

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> > bands do they inside those things?? > > Hehehe. BTW, was it really true that Toyota's F1 project was forced > to develop a V10 engine because FIA didn't want any other kind of > engines (such as the V12 they had been working on) in the series? > I heard this somewhere, but find it hard to digest. Not even FIA > could be that stupid. > > Also, why is it that nobody's developing boxer engines for formulas? > Common sense says that their center of gravity would be clearly > lower than that of a V engine. >

But it's wider... F1 is always a matter of compromises, and the aero seems to dictate a V-engine. Probably there are other reasons. Stephen