Re: GPL is shit.... and here's why

>okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or >unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to >win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week >maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's >the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even >IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: What's a grown man with so many "responsibilities" doing playing with Lego? :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

In article <8qnnmo$2u3$[email hidden]>, "Allan Harrison" <[email hidden]> wrote: > So in other words you are crap at GPL is that what you are trying tosay! I said dont bother posting back if you disagree... and whats more I didn't say anything about personally being "crap" Being honest though, compared to most I probably am total crap (I have only ever practiced Monza, Watkins & Spa) but that's not an inherent thing, its 'cos of lack of investment. When I do get free time I'm too busy doing the real thing in any case. I mean, go on.. admit it...you're probably shit at LEGO RACERS 'cos you never played it before. > > "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]... > > okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay timeto > > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies,here's > > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and noteven > > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if youdisagree...:

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-- DarDANe][ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <8qnpc7$3hd$[email hidden]>, "Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Yes your point about GPL needing a lot of gameplay time is true and isthe > weakest aspect of the game. I haven't had time to play GPL in monthsbut > like most people here I've managed to learn how to play it over time.Your > comment about the game being "shit" is total bollocks. If it was shitwould > every second post be GPL related in this newsgroup? If you don't have > time/patients to play it so what! That doesn't make the game shit. Sodeal > with the fact you can't play it and shut up. woooow.... I think the game is easily the best sim by far far far, and that it pisses on GP3 but hey, that's the only reason I care...! I wish I did have the time like you Danny Boy > > DarDANe][ wrote in message <8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]>... > >okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > >unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay timeto > >win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > >maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies,here's > >the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and noteven

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> >IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > > >LEGO RACERS > > > > > > > >-- > >DarDANe][ > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy. > >

-- DarDANe][ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I would guess that his only reason for publicly proclaiming that GPL is SHIT is because he know's you all will respond. He's a troll... Let it go... Ignore him and he will whither away. In article <d5Nz5.209486$[email hidden]>, "NightBreed" <[email hidden]> wrote: > You sure seem to have a bit of time to hang out in this NG andcriticize one > of the few Quality racing Simulations. Let me get this straight: Your > problem is that you don't have time to practice with GPL? Hmmm. Maybeyou > should organize your free time better. LOL > > There is nothing wrong with Arcade games for some people, just as > complicated simulations are enjoyed by others. I don't see the logicbehind > your desire to publically proclaim that GPL is SHIT, because youdon't have > the time/patience/desire to play it. > > Oh well, just my opinion... > NB > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: LEGO RACERS -- DarDANe][ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

So in other words you are crap at GPL is that what you are trying to say! "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]...

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> okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > LEGO RACERS > > > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

I'm employed and i have a wife and two kids and my motorcycle is my hobbie and i still find some time to race on gpl each week and love it. It's an attiude like yours that only gives the rest of us arcade games like gp3 and so on. Steve! "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]...

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> okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > LEGO RACERS > > > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Yes your point about GPL needing a lot of gameplay time is true and is the weakest aspect of the game. I haven't had time to play GPL in months but like most people here I've managed to learn how to play it over time. Your comment about the game being "shit" is total bollocks. If it was shit would every second post be GPL related in this newsgroup? If you don't have time/patients to play it so what! That doesn't make the game shit. So deal with the fact you can't play it and shut up. DarDANe][ wrote in message <8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]>...

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>okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or >unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to >win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week >maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's >the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even >IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > >LEGO RACERS > > > >-- >DarDANe][ > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

What you say is quite true. But indeed to make a SIM you have to make it like the real thing as much as possible. Do you think that Clark, Hill and the rest were only doing this "a few hours every week" ? On the other hand I can fully understand you and direct you to the "easy" and "fun" sims such as -RALLYE MASTERS -RALLYE CHAMPIONSHIP 2000 -GP3 I think you will get a lot of very agressive replies to your post and I am sorry for that.

Txl <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:N8Jz5.471$[email hidden]... > What you say is quite true. > > But indeed to make a SIM you have to make it like the real thing as muchas > possible. > > Do you think that Clark, Hill and the rest were only doing this "a fewhours > every week" ? lol, actually in 1967, yes...! Well, ok maybe mroe than ust a "few" hours but in some cases I'd imaginevery little was done between races as was stated in the GPL manual. "Teams often arrived at an event witht he cars setup for the previous event" or something to that extent. Also after seing teh 1967 Dutch GPon Sky Sport Wheelbas club a few weeks back I didn't see Clark, Hill and co, having to brake before the damn s/f line or using all of these weird driving techniques we see in the GPL hotlaps. They were driving pretty standardly, ok, they obviously had less grip and larger braking distances but I get the feeling that GPL isn't so realisitc as it is exaggereated. I mean think ofit like this... if sim makers can't get the exact feel of a modern car right with access to one with telemetry how in the hell could Papy's sim born out of myths and peoples impressions of the time be so accurate? Made me think anyway. > On the other hand I can fully understand you and direct you to the "easy" > and "fun" sims such as > > -RALLYE MASTERS > -RALLYE CHAMPIONSHIP 2000 > -GP3 fun, yes..easy? Hell no!

Allan Harrison <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qnnmo$2u3$[email hidden]... > So in other words you are crap at GPL is that what you are trying to say! > Well without being so harsh I think that was his point, you can't become good without hundreds of hours of finding the shift and r keys:-)

Houndog <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5lKz5.3430$%[email hidden]... <snip> > It's an attiude like > yours that only gives the rest of us arcade games like gp3 > and so on. > Steve! And it's an attitude like your that makes sim companies ask....why bother? A racing sim is only for a pretty limited audience... if everyone whinges when they make a quality product then why bother?

> > I said dont bother posting back if you disagree... > and whats more I didn't say anything about personally being "crap" Sir. Do you really expect to post an opinion in a public forum and then see yourself in a position whereby you can demand that those with contrary opinions keep silent? May I remind you that this is an open discussion forum and not a place for dictators to dictate to the masses. MS

Dan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qnpc7$3hd$[email hidden]... > Yes your point about GPL needing a lot of gameplay time is true and is the > weakest aspect of the game. I haven't had time to play GPL in months but > like most people here I've managed to learn how to play it over time. Your > comment about the game being "shit" is total bollocks. If it was shitwould > every second post be GPL related in this newsgroup? If you don't have > time/patients to play it so what! That doesn't make the game shit. So deal > with the fact you can't play it and shut up. > Did anyone of you ever wonder though why Papy didn't provide some sort of learning curve or amateur-semipro-pro-master type of grading like other sims.... seems sort of weird as this wasn't going to do much for its sales in the "outside world", i.e. with non-hardcore sim racers.

Maybe you just lack talent, I've got quite a busy life but I managed to get up to speed quite quickly. "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]...

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> okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > LEGO RACERS > > > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Hey, you know what? Real life racing is SHIT too. Why? because I don't have the time or money to do it! Sure, If I had the cash, and time to put in plenty of practice, I could maybe win a few races. That Michael Schumacher isn't so talented, he just has too much time on his hands. My god, it's great to see you put across such an enlightened view. And what's better than Lego Racers? REAL FUCKING LEGO!!! But lemme guess, you can't find the time to put all the bricks together... -- -Ace- (GPLRank -3.79) DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]... > okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > LEGO RACERS > > > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

You sure seem to have a bit of time to hang out in this NG and criticize one of the few Quality racing Simulations. Let me get this straight: Your problem is that you don't have time to practice with GPL? Hmmm. Maybe you should organize your free time better. LOL There is nothing wrong with Arcade games for some people, just as complicated simulations are enjoyed by others. I don't see the logic behind your desire to publically proclaim that GPL is SHIT, because you don't have the time/patience/desire to play it. Oh well, just my opinion... NB

And what's better than > Lego Racers? REAL FUCKING LEGO!!! But lemme guess, you can't find the time > to put all the bricks together... Hahahahahaha.... ROTFLOL. This gets my vote for most amusing post of the year. Nice one <G> MS

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> -- > -Ace- > (GPLRank -3.79) > > DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]... > > okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to > > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's > > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even > > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > > > LEGO RACERS > > > > > > > > -- > > DarDANe][ > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

> And it's an attitude like your that makes sim companies ask....why bother? > A racing sim is only for a pretty limited audience... if everyone whinges > when they make a quality product then why bother? Not only that, but when you see the lengths ppl go to to get fastlaps, it is clear that they expect more realism from the simulation than they do from themselves.

>"DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote > LEGO RACERS Hey! I happen to love Lego Racers ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"9Wright7" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qo29b$m8q$[email hidden]... > > Allan Harrison <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8qnnmo$2u3$[email hidden]... > > So in other words you are crap at GPL is that what you are trying tosay! > > > > Well without being so harsh I think that was his point, you can't become > good without hundreds of hours of finding the shift and r keys:-) Use Training mode. Only need shift R when you land on your head or get stuck somewhere... With the use of SVG Editor you can even have races against the AI with damage off. Very useful to learn and find limits without the usual frustration :) Bart Westra

David? is that YOU David G Fisher???? dave henrie "Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01c0273b$efbf0180$9b3d36cb@ronayton...

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> I take it you do a bit of fishing in real life ? :) > No doubt you will get a few bites back, but most in this group will see > your post for what it is.... > > Cheers, > Ron > > DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote in article > <8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]>... > > okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time > to > > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, > here's > > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not > even > > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > > > LEGO RACERS > > > > > > > > -- > > DarDANe][ > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

I never thought about it quite like that. You're right. I've deleted all of my sims including GPL and will seek out a copy of Lego Racers first thing tommorrow. Thanks for setting me straight. I appreciate it. -- ----------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +15.49 http://members.tripod.com/~morganv/ ----------------------------------- "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]... > okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > LEGO RACERS > > > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

In article <8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]>, DarDANe <?@?.?> writes

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>okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or >unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to >win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week >maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's >the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even >IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > >LEGO RACERS >

Well you've pursuaded me! I've decided to give up GPL and try this 'mega sim' out. It sounds absolutely f**king BRILLIANT!!! Thanks, I've been feeling somewhat ill at ease with all this GPL enjoyment, it just didn't feel quite right and I hadn't been able to put my finger on it until now and your enlightening post. Anyway, can't stop now. I'm off down the shops. :) -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

Tell that to Bruce. David G Fisher "Mark.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JaLz5.10637$[email hidden]...

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> > > > I said dont bother posting back if you disagree... > > and whats more I didn't say anything about personally being "crap" > > Sir. > Do you really expect to post an opinion in a public forum and then see > yourself in a position whereby you can demand that those with contrary > opinions keep silent? May I remind you that this is an open discussion

forum > and not a place for dictators to dictate to the masses. > > MS > > >

You know, I think I will...so you're basically saying that since you suck and don't want to put any time towards the game to remedy that situation, it's really not you but the game that sucks? I don't think so...with some decent setups, a good PC, and a bit of time learning throttle control (it's not that hard people!!!! for crying out loud!!!) you can be doing well... -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]... > okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > LEGO RACERS > > > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

If that's what you think fair enough, just don't play it. No need to go slagging it off. I only play it a few hours a week on average and i've gotten fairly good (GPLRank +43), although it's taken the two years since it was released. Why do you need to be winning races? My best finish ever against the AI is 4th. I had two races against the AI at the weekend and came 9th and 14th in the Cooper and it was brilliant fun. btw Revolt is better than Lego Racers IMHO, and feel free to post back if you disagree :) "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]...

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> okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > LEGO RACERS > -- > DarDANe][

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:24:38 +0200, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Use Training mode. Only need shift R when you land on your head or get stuck >somewhere... With the use of SVG Editor you can even have races against the >AI with damage off. Very useful to learn and find limits without the usual >frustration :) The SVG Editor? What's that? Andre >Bart Westra >

I tend to agree... something about GPL doesn't quite fit the picture. It's as good a representation as we've seen to date though. Jan. =--- 9Wright7 wrote... > <snip>

Oh boy! Yet another opportunity to confess that GPL occupies way more than its fair share of my time... I do hope that the assesment concerning GP3 is correct though, cuz every now and again I need some instant gratification. Got GP3 in the box, but I'm not going to install it until I can get another 2 seconds off my South Africa time -- even instant gratification must be earned, ya know. :) Sgt Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <t9Mz5.153916$[email hidden]>, "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Hey, you know what? Real life racing is SHIT too. Why? because I don'thave > the time or money to do it! Sure, If I had the cash, and time to putin > plenty of practice, I could maybe win a few races. That MichaelSchumacher > isn't so talented, he just has too much time on his hands. My god,it's > great to see you put across such an enlightened view. And what'sbetter than > Lego Racers? REAL FUCKING LEGO!!! But lemme guess, you can't find thetime > to put all the bricks together... don't be so hard on yourself Ace....

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to > > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies,here's > > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and noteven > > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if youdisagree...:

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What's the setup screen like in the LEGO garage? Do you have to add bricks to the underside of the chassis to lower the ride height? MS

Good post! I think you got the response you were looking for :] > okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay timeto > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies,here's

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> the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > LEGO RACERS > > -- > DarDANe][ > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Look, I can understand why this post is getting so many negative responses, but Mr. DarDANe][ does have a point hidden in there. I would agree that if you can't find the time to practise a sim, then avoid trying it (and criticising it). However, I have personally found the sim a bit frustrating in the degree to which mistakes are punished. Sure, you can run the trainers, etc., but it's not the same. If something like Sports Car GT had the physics model of GPL, it would be really great (yeah, bring on WSC!). With Sports Car GT, mistakes generally cost time, but the game doesn't seem bent on throwing you into the barriers at every opportunity. I love GPL, but it IS something of a love-hate relationship. I often find it difficult to relax a bit and enjoy the game for what it is (although it definitely becomes more enjoyable with practice and skill). Obviously, if the game were any easier it would not be a true sim of the '67 season, but an ideal sim to suit my lifestyle and time would have a slightly less defined threshold separating "on the track" from "in the barrier". Ryan

I take it you do a bit of fishing in real life ? :) No doubt you will get a few bites back, but most in this group will see your post for what it is.... Cheers, Ron DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote in article <8qnjsb$dkj$[email hidden]>... > okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay timeto > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies,here's > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and noteven

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> IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > LEGO RACERS > > > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >

No worries, I'm not *too* bad at GPL and I've got a pretty big Lego collection. Life is wonderful! -- -Ace- (GPLRank -3.79) DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> > don't be so hard on yourself Ace....

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> > "9Wright7" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8qo29b$m8q$[email hidden]... > > > > Allan Harrison <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8qnnmo$2u3$[email hidden]... > > > So in other words you are crap at GPL is that what you are trying to > say! > > > > > > > Well without being so harsh I think that was his point, you can't become > > good without hundreds of hours of finding the shift and r keys:-) > > Use Training mode. Only need shift R when you land on your head or get

stuck > somewhere... With the use of SVG Editor you can even have races againstthe > AI with damage off. Very useful to learn and find limits without the usual > frustration :) > Well yes and no.... Great, you can have a bit of help when learning now but for many offline racers (and I know alot!!) along with a newbie, this sim is over the top, the basic sim provides no entertainment value to someone learning or just wanting fun. To be honest even after learning to drive I still find it a dose to drive. It's the good online racing that keeps me going with it.

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:24:38 +0200, "Bart Westra" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Use Training mode. Only need shift R when you land on your head or getstuck > >somewhere... With the use of SVG Editor you can even have races againstthe > >AI with damage off. Very useful to learn and find limits without theusual > >frustration :) > > The SVG Editor? What's that? > > Andre It is a utility that allows you to edit a saved starting grid (a .svg file, hence the name). You can change the grid order, change the class of every individual car allowing you to practise F1 against F2, and you can also change the damage level. You find it at the Pits http://www.theuspits.com/owheel/gpl/index.html 15 NOV 99 SVG Edit v1.01 - Chris Eichler A save game editing utility which allows for the extensive editing of qualifying results. Offline leagues beware! [131K] Bart

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> > frustration :) > > > > Well yes and no.... > Great, you can have a bit of help when learning now but for many offline > racers (and I know alot!!) along with a newbie, this sim is over the top, > the basic sim provides no entertainment value to someone learning or just > wanting fun. To be honest even after learning to drive I still find it a > dose to drive. It's the good online racing that keeps me going with it. >

I felt exactly this way about GPL until some months ago. I would have long given it up if it wasn't for some great online leagues. But somehow it got to me, I go faster at every track I try without much effort, and I can stay on the track a lot easier. It even happened that I kept on driving in practise because of a good dice with the AI, even though there is no chance for a good lap that way... Before I would have crashed with the AI around in no time, now I can race really close with them and stay on. I really don't know what made the difference, it appears to have been some quantum leap in ability. Though some help may have come from practising the tracks in Training mode, where before I used Single Race. Gone was the frustration hitting an armco or a fence, just back to the track and drive on, instead of starting from the pits again or shift R for cold tires and a full tank. Must add that I went back to single race now that I stay on the track much better. I can only hope it stayes with me now :) Bart Westra

Let me remind you , one year ago I did a survey about who's in GPL, the average was 33 years old, since we're one year later, then it's 34... That's far from the kids in summer holiday isn't it ?? Most of them works too, since to get proper hardware for GPL, you definitly need some money in spare.... If you can't control your car in GPL, it's not the sim's fault, it's the person who look like you in the mirror... So don't tell us GPL is shit... very bad excuse indeed. Let me remind you some people are talented, others not. For instance Greger Huttu being one of the fastest around (if not the fastest) plays very little GPL per week in practice. He just got that gift , and exploited it. If you are not talented enough in one certain thing , don't say it's shit. It's you who are shit, as simple as that. What are you gonna teach your children in life ? Don't touch this it's shit... don't try to surpass yourself and find your limit ? Is this how you'll do it ? Eric http://www.simracingmag.com "DarDANe][" wrote:

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> okay, so its the best sim if you're a kid on sumer holidays or > unemployed with no responsibilities and hence years of gameplay time to > win a race, but for those of us with maybe a few hours each week > maximum, to fit in between the wife, kids, job and other hobbies, here's > the all time best driving game, no ifs buts or inbetweens and not even > IMHO, this is fact, dont even bother to post back if you disagree...: > > LEGO RACERS > > -- > DarDANe][ > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Well put Eric! -- -Ace- (GPLRank -3.87) Eric Cote <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... <snip> >For instance Greger > Huttu being one of the fastest around (if not the fastest) plays very little > GPL per week in practice. He just got that gift , and exploited it. If you > are not talented enough in one > certain thing , don't say it's shit. It's you who are shit, as simple as > that. > > What are you gonna teach your children in life ? Don't touch this it's > shit... don't try > to surpass yourself and find your limit ? Is this how you'll do it ?

"Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:N8Jz5.471$[email hidden]... > What you say is quite true. > But indeed to make a SIM you have to make it like the real thing as muchas > possible. > Do you think that Clark, Hill and the rest were only doing this "a fewhours > every week" ? sorry but... it's still a game.. so you want a game as close as it can get? what about putting you in hospital after a crash in gpl? does not sound interesting does it? but that's how real live is... A game needs reality, but also PLAYABILITY and that's something GPL does not have, but its quite a good sim, like GP2 and GP3... Dont make this a religion, just play more and talk less! Regards!

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message <SNIP> > GP2 and GP3 simulate what it would be like if everyone could drive an F1 > car, and technically they are not even in the same league. Agree >Playability is an > issue with GPL, granted, but once you get to grips with the cars and the > tracks, it just keeps on giving. That is my point, the game is very smoth, I love that Ferrari engine sound! but if you dont have time to practise, it could become a frustration! :) > Oh, the cult of GPL is well established, nothing you can do to change that > now. ;-) I have noticied that! And I'm not getting into GPL vs other sims discussions! Regards!

Andr� Santos wrote... > <snip> > sorry but... it's still a game.. It's not a game, it's a simulation. > so you want a game as close as it can get? > what about putting you in hospital after a crash in gpl? > does not sound interesting does it? but that's how real > live is... Get a grip! -It would never get released. One does need immersion, suspension of disbelief to make the experience worthwhile. By getting a game "as close as it can get", there is less chance of the illusion being shattered by an idiosyncrasy. E.g. when I shortcut a chicane and the car survives the excursion I expect to get away with it or serve a stop and go penalty, not a black flag icon hanging in mid air and "the hand of Crammond" holding me down for a period of time. > A game needs reality, but also PLAYABILITY and that's > something GPL does not have, but its quite a good sim, > like GP2 and GP3... GP2 and GP3 simulate what it would be like if everyone could drive an F1 car, and technically they are not even in the same league. Playability is an issue with GPL, granted, but once you get to grips with the cars and the tracks, it just keeps on giving. > Dont make this a religion, just play more and talk less! Oh, the cult of GPL is well established, nothing you can do to change that now. ;-) Jan./ CART!! =---

In article <8qo26c$m8m$[email hidden]>, "9Wright7" <[email hidden]> wrote: > but I get the feeling that GPL isn't so > realisitc as it is exaggereated. amidst all the kindegartten rant, here is one of the finest comments about the true nature of GPL I have so far heard.... > > -- DarDANe][ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

GPL has playability every other sim/racing-game can only dream of. > A game needs reality, but also PLAYABILITY and that's something > GPL does not have, but its quite a good sim, like GP2 and GP3...

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>In article <8qo26c$m8m$[email hidden]>, > "9Wright7" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > but I get the feeling that GPL isn't so >> realisitc as it is exaggereated. > > >amidst all the kindegartten rant, here is one of the finest comments >about the true nature of GPL I have so far heard....

Oh no, another DGF... Andre