Re: F1 at Indy....rekindling my love for Formula 1.....Now THATis a TRACK....

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> On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:39:37 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > >Erik's prediction: Schumi yet again does NOT take the title for > >Ferrari. He will DNF the next race with gearbox troubles and spin off > >in the season finale. Mika wins by twelve points. ::) > > How 'bout Ron offering Zonta or Fisico a bonus again? > Two races to go, two first corners to pass ... ;-) > > > Jan

What's Ron need Fishyfella or Zonta for when he's got DC. I'll bet he's regretting not having had David take out Shumi at Indy when he had the chance.<g> don

> Erik's prediction: Schumi yet again does NOT take the title for > Ferrari. He will DNF the next race with gearbox troubles and spin off > in the season finale. Mika wins by twelve points. ::) > Sounds good, I'll have one of those...

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:39:37 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: >Erik's prediction: Schumi yet again does NOT take the title for >Ferrari. He will DNF the next race with gearbox troubles and spin off >in the season finale. Mika wins by twelve points. ::) How 'bout Ron offering Zonta or Fisico a bonus again? Two races to go, two first corners to pass ... ;-) Jan

Pierre Legrand <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39d02edc.11421491@news... > Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down > the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. > hehe.. Balls of steel turn???? Not what the drivers said, they thought it was pretty damn easy. Then again they enter it at 150mph, Indy cars enter it at 230mhp, so that's why. DC

I'm with you almost all the way. I still did not enjoy seeing Michael win. ::) Wish Jacques hadn't blown his shot at the podium...Frentzen was coming back to him, all he had to do was be patient. ::( Anyway, was a fantastic weekend and a hell of a show! The sound those cars produce was simply magical and the way it rattled around Indy was almost spooky. I'll see you next year!! Erik's prediction: Schumi yet again does NOT take the title for Ferrari. He will DNF the next race with gearbox troubles and spin off in the season finale. Mika wins by twelve points. ::) In article <39d02edc.11421491@news>, [email hidden] (Pierre Legrand) wrote:

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> Damn I thought I was over my love of F1....was so darn tired of seeing > 850 horsepower cards negotiating chicanes and modified Kart > tracks..then along comes Indy and boy what a race...and what a Track. > Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down > the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. > hehe.. > > Its the first Time I actually enjoyed watching Michael winning...and > now I can see that I will be watching the rest of the races hoping for > him to finally bring Ferrari the win it deserves. > > PAPA DOC > Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand > Flanker Target > Grand Prix Legends Crash Test Dummy > Rants, Bullshit and Help Guides availible at > www.papadoc.net >

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Nah, Balls of steel turn means that you need to be a brave bastard to keep your foot flat all the way around the corner, which at 240 mph would be the case, but in F1, well it just isn't. Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HV0A5.19010$[email hidden]...

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> "R4" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8qq2i4$81v$[email hidden]... > > > > Pierre Legrand <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:39d02edc.11421491@news... > > > Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down > > > the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. > > > hehe.. > > > > Balls of steel turn???? > > Not what the drivers said, they thought it was pretty damn easy. > > Then again they enter it at 150mph, Indy cars enter it at 230mhp, so > that's > > why. > > DUH... See my other reply on this. You totally missed the deal of the > balls of steel turn... > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > >

Damn I thought I was over my love of F1....was so darn tired of seeing 850 horsepower cards negotiating chicanes and modified Kart tracks..then along comes Indy and boy what a race...and what a Track. Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. hehe.. Its the first Time I actually enjoyed watching Michael winning...and now I can see that I will be watching the rest of the races hoping for him to finally bring Ferrari the win it deserves. PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Flanker Target Grand Prix Legends Crash Test Dummy Rants, Bullshit and Help Guides availible at www.papadoc.net

Yes, definetely! I do think however that something should be done about those two tight hairpins before the final straight. Those are no corners! Domi "Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39d02edc.11421491@news... > Damn I thought I was over my love of F1....was so darn tired ofseeing > 850 horsepower cards negotiating chicanes and modified Kart > tracks..then along comes Indy and boy what a race...and what aTrack. > Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down > the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. > hehe.. > > Its the first Time I actually enjoyed watching Michael winning...and > now I can see that I will be watching the rest of the races hopingfor

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> him to finally bring Ferrari the win it deserves. > > PAPA DOC > Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand > Flanker Target > Grand Prix Legends Crash Test Dummy > Rants, Bullshit and Help Guides availible at > www.papadoc.net

"Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39d02edc.11421491@news... > Damn I thought I was over my love of F1....was so darn tired of seeing > 850 horsepower cards negotiating chicanes and modified Kart > tracks..then along comes Indy and boy what a race...and what a Track. > Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down > the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. > hehe.. Unfortunately, the drivers without exception found the banked corner rather effortless. This could be due to the two hairpins leading up to Turn 13, but is probably also a general function of the downforce level required for the infield section. The track was not bad (overtaking at Turn 1 was definitely feasible), but should be "opened up" a fair amount. I don't know if the golf course allows sufficient space for some longer, sweeping corners. The overall lap time shouldn't be made any shorter, IMHO. Ryan

"Domagoj Malovic" <[email hidden]> wrote > Yes, definetely! I do think however that something should be done > about those two tight hairpins before the final straight. Those are no > corners! Well they require skill first of all, since as we saw many cars, even Schumi spun in those corners. Second of all, those slow corners are there for a single reason and it's to give the chance to sponsors to get non-blurry shots of the cars. F1 is a business, so those corners are perfect. Why do you think they are re-doing Hockenheim? Those 300+km/h straight gave no advertising time to the sponsors since the cars were way too blurry on TV. So I say keep the circuit as it is! Those slow corners were a important reason for the passing down into turn1, as a good slingshot effect (take the first corner wide then have a more open line for the second one) made it possible to do so. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

You should have been there :-) -- [email hidden] "Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39d02edc.11421491@news... > Damn I thought I was over my love of F1....was so darn tired of seeing > 850 horsepower cards negotiating chicanes and modified Kart > tracks..then along comes Indy and boy what a race...and what a Track. > Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down > the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. > hehe.. > > Its the first Time I actually enjoyed watching Michael winning...and > now I can see that I will be watching the rest of the races hoping for > him to finally bring Ferrari the win it deserves. > > PAPA DOC > Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand > Flanker Target > Grand Prix Legends Crash Test Dummy > Rants, Bullshit and Help Guides availible at > www.papadoc.net

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:41:15 +0200, "Domagoj Malovic"<[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >Yes, definetely! I do think however that something should be done > >about those two tight hairpins before the final straight. Those are no > >corners! > > > > I agree. If they did that, it would be among the TOP tracks in F1.

It is among the top F1 tracks right now! The largest crowd in F1 history to watch a race will do that :-) I agree the turns are bogus, but I don't think it is worth removing them as it is now part of the character of the track. -- [email hidden] > Also, it wouldn't seem to me to harm the safety of the track at all. > Those turns are in the infield with sand traps, etc. It would just > make the rhythm of the track better and increase the average speed. > >

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> > "Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:39d02edc.11421491@news... > > Damn I thought I was over my love of F1....was so darn tired of seeing > > 850 horsepower cards negotiating chicanes and modified Kart > > tracks..then along comes Indy and boy what a race...and what a Track. > > Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down > > the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. > > hehe.. > > Unfortunately, the drivers without exception found the banked corner

rather > effortless. This could be due to the two hairpins leading up to Turn 13,but The deal is not technical expertise in negotiating turn 13 (tempted to say DUH). The deal is banking and a real good opportunity to make a pass. Plus the longest full throttle straight in the F1 series... Did you just miss this point? -- [email hidden] > is probably also a general function of the downforce level required for the > infield section. The track was not bad (overtaking at Turn 1 was definitely > feasible), but should be "opened up" a fair amount. I don't know if the golf > course allows sufficient space for some longer, sweeping corners. The > overall lap time shouldn't be made any shorter, IMHO. > > Ryan > > > > >

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> > Pierre Legrand <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:39d02edc.11421491@news... > > Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down > > the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. > > hehe.. > > Balls of steel turn???? > Not what the drivers said, they thought it was pretty damn easy. > Then again they enter it at 150mph, Indy cars enter it at 230mhp, so

that's > why. DUH... See my other reply on this. You totally missed the deal of the balls of steel turn... -- [email hidden]

The drivers referred to the two hairpins as Mickey and Mouse.

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> > >Yes, definetely! I do think however that something should be done > > >about those two tight hairpins before the final straight. Those are no > > >corners! > > > > > > > I agree. If they did that, it would be among the TOP tracks in F1. > > It is among the top F1 tracks right now! The largest crowd in > F1 history to watch a race will do that :-) > > I agree the turns are bogus, but I don't think it is worth removing them > as it is now part of the character of the track.

Indy is an impressive venue but the track layout does not do it justice. Its nothing more than another plastic GP track. As for the race - one lead change which is about one more than we normally get on track. I don't feel very rekindled. Mark.

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_U0A5.19009$[email hidden]...

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> "Ryan Mitchley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8qpnb9$cec$[email hidden]... > > > > Unfortunately, the drivers without exception found the banked corner > rather > > effortless. This could be due to the two hairpins leading up to Turn 13, > but > > The deal is not technical expertise in negotiating turn 13 (tempted to say > DUH). The deal is banking and a real good opportunity to make a pass. > Plus the longest full throttle straight in the F1 series... > > Did you just miss this point?

Did you forget your lunch at home or are you always this pleasant? Pierre said "Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down the straight" Do you want to tell me how to interpret this as claiming that Turn 13 was NOT difficult? Either that, or could you point out to me where he makes any mention of passing? I'm responding to the post I saw. I'm not sure what you're doing . . . Ryan

Mark. First time I saw your name in here. Does Fernhill school ring any bells? Just curious whether it's the same guy or not. Can't be too many of you around! MS "Mark Ogilvie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qqcns$si7$[email hidden]... > Indy is an impressive venue but the track layout does not do it justice.Its > nothing more than another plastic GP track. As for the race - one lead > change which is about one more than we normally get on track. I don'tfeel > very rekindled. > > Mark. > >

"Thomas JS Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The drivers referred to the two hairpins as Mickey and Mouse. The first time I heard it was during the friday practice when Derek Bell (Foxsports) mentioned it. -- [email hidden] > > > >Yes, definetely! I do think however that something should be done > > > >about those two tight hairpins before the final straight. Those are no > > > >corners! > > > > > > > > > > I agree. If they did that, it would be among the TOP tracks in F1. > > > > It is among the top F1 tracks right now! The largest crowd in > > F1 history to watch a race will do that :-) > > > > I agree the turns are bogus, but I don't think it is worth removing them > > as it is now part of the character of the track.

"Ryan Mitchley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qqeug$qq9$[email hidden]...

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> > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_U0A5.19009$[email hidden]... > > "Ryan Mitchley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8qpnb9$cec$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Unfortunately, the drivers without exception found the banked corner > > rather > > > effortless. This could be due to the two hairpins leading up to Turn

13, > > but > > > > The deal is not technical expertise in negotiating turn 13 (tempted tosay > > DUH). The deal is banking and a real good opportunity to make a pass. > > Plus the longest full throttle straight in the F1 series... > > > > Did you just miss this point? > > Did you forget your lunch at home or are you always this pleasant? Well basicly... I am always this pleasant :-) > Pierre said "Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeetbeautiful....220 > down > the straight" > > Do you want to tell me how to interpret this as claiming that Turn 13 was > NOT difficult? Either that, or could you point out to me where he makesany > mention of passing? I do not think there are any other instances in F1 where the drivers are doing 220mph right next to concrete walls. It it had rained it would have been very dangerous and they could not take the turn full throttle. > I'm responding to the post I saw. I'm not sure what you're doing . . . Yeah... Neither am I. -- [email hidden]

I think Spa is more of THE track... Indianapolis super slow corners (known has the plumbers delight) at 45 kph is not what F1 are meant to be... Eric Pierre Legrand wrote:

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> Damn I thought I was over my love of F1....was so darn tired of seeing > 850 horsepower cards negotiating chicanes and modified Kart > tracks..then along comes Indy and boy what a race...and what a Track. > Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down > the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. > hehe.. > > Its the first Time I actually enjoyed watching Michael winning...and > now I can see that I will be watching the rest of the races hoping for > him to finally bring Ferrari the win it deserves. > > PAPA DOC > Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand > Flanker Target > Grand Prix Legends Crash Test Dummy > Rants, Bullshit and Help Guides availible at > www.papadoc.net

| It is among the top F1 tracks right now! The largest crowd in | F1 history to watch a race will do that :-) Is that a TV figure or at the track? As far as i recall the Nordschleife used to attract around 350,000 at the track on race day. -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends

they do go quickly, but cars on ovals tend not to change attitude or velocity very quickly, so its very easy to camera men to keep up, whereas those F1 cars can go from a standing start to 100 and back to 0 in 3 seconds.... pez rrevved wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:55:33 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]>wrote:

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> >> Second of all, those slow corners are there for a >>single reason and it's to give the chance to sponsors to get non-blurry >>shots of the cars. F1 is a business, so those corners are perfect. > >So you don't think Nascar oval racing is a 'business'? >They go pretty fast, Frank. > >Z-O-O-O-M!!!! > >I'm laughing really hard in your general direction. >

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qq8ul$hpt$[email hidden]... > Erik's prediction: Schumi yet again does NOT take the title for > Ferrari. He will DNF the next race with gearbox troubles and spin off > in the season finale. Mika wins by twelve points. ::) NOpe, ya got it wrong. Mika and David go 1-2 at Suzuka, Ferrari just hasn't produced a car for that track in the last two years that could keep up with the Macs, which leaves Michael 3rd and only 4 points. His lead is down to 2 once again and it all comes down to Malasia. There you have to figure two options. Ferrari dominated last year so either they got the track figured out or Mclaren just missed the boat. With a year to tinker on the Malay setups, the chances of Mclaren being "off" again are slim to none. So "if" Ferrari has Malasia covered , it is Michael as WC. But if Mclaren narrows the margin from last year, it could go either way. Keep in mind the last two "damp" races, Mika has come up with a better setup for the race than Michael. I think we can all agree, until his suspensiion cooked, it was only a matter of a few more laps before Mika put another Spa pass on the Ferrari. I don't see the Red Horses keeping up with the West cars in Japan. I predict the Malay race will decide all. Either Mika by two, or Michael by 6. Ruebens won't be of help at Japan, David most likely will. Both Irvine and Jacques do well at the Nipponese circut...Mika "could" almost clinch before they travel to Indonesia. dave henrie

In article <AueA5.20067$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: > "Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I think Spa is more of THE track... Indianapolis super slow corners > > (known has the plumbers delight) at 45 kph is not what F1 are meantto > > be... > > Well Spa and Monte Carlo both have super slow corners so your > argument is total horse shit :-) very clever...but we all know what he means, i.e. Indy is slow as shit, and he's right. It aint F1. > > -- > > [email hidden] > > -- DarDANe][ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:38:14 -0700, "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote: >What's Ron need Fishyfella or Zonta for when he's got DC. I'll bet he's >regretting not having had David take out Shumi at Indy when he had the >chance.<g> DC is no good for that, because (as we all saw and as ol' Ronny stated again and again) there is no such thing as "team orders" at McLaren ... he slowing down must have been coincidence. ;-) Jan

That's all assuming Schumsucker doesn't put a wheel or other car part into Mika first. If the title comes down to the last race and Schumi is ahead, Mika is as good as dead out there. I cannot believe Enzo Ferrari would have ever wanted to associate with a man as dishonorable as Schumi. Mika beware if McLaren wins Malaysia. In article <RoaA5.118973$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8qq8ul$hpt$[email hidden]... > > Erik's prediction: Schumi yet again does NOT take the title for > > Ferrari. He will DNF the next race with gearbox troubles and spinoff > > in the season finale. Mika wins by twelve points. ::) > > NOpe, ya got it wrong. Mika and David go 1-2 at Suzuka, Ferrarijust > hasn't produced a car for that track in the last two years that couldkeep > up with the Macs, which leaves Michael 3rd and only 4 points. Hislead is > down to 2 once again and it all comes down to Malasia. There youhave to > figure two options. Ferrari dominated last year so either they gotthe > track figured out or Mclaren just missed the boat. With a year totinker on > the Malay setups, the chances of Mclaren being "off" again are slimto none. > So "if" Ferrari has Malasia covered , it is Michael as WC. But ifMclaren > narrows the margin from last year, it could go either way. > Keep in mind the last two "damp" races, Mika has come up with abetter > setup for the race than Michael. I think we can all agree, until his > suspensiion cooked, it was only a matter of a few more laps beforeMika put > another Spa pass on the Ferrari. > I don't see the Red Horses keeping up with the West cars in Japan.I > predict > the Malay race will decide all. Either Mika by two, or Michael by 6. > Ruebens won't be of help at Japan, David most likely will. BothIrvine and > Jacques do well at the Nipponese circut...Mika "could" almost clinchbefore > they travel to Indonesia. > dave henrie > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote > So you don't think Nascar oval racing is a 'business'? > They go pretty fast, Frank. > > I'm laughing really hard in your general direction. Just another uninformed message by you. First of all the business for Formula 1 is clearly directed onto the television, as with NASCAR. It's how the sponsors get advertising time, that they can create new markets or expand the ones they already have. The people in the stands are for most above-average racing fans and they do cheer for the drivers they love, and they clearly know the majority of the sponsors. The fact that they race on ovals gives the television shot quite less blurring than compared to F1 flat road course racing. If you check the race at Watkins Glen, it's very difficult to see the correct sponsors (even the principals ones) on many camera placement, but they do a very good shot with tracking camera with a very far focus point (ex: placed on the extremity of the backstretch to get all the information of that long portion of the circuit). On ovals, they clearly can pan from right to left of a banking, tracking the cars and centering them the most possible on screen. Which is why you have the cameras normally placed inside the track for the backstretch and outside the track on the frontstretch (with one near T1 but that one is alternated on the outside/inside depending if it's a short track or a faster oval). It's also why they keep speed shot at the lowest possible. It is also why they developed quite unique sponsor placement. They also race enough close so that rear and front advertisement is quite easily seen from the in-car cameras. It's not like I'm throwing rubbish non-sense Ed. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> > I have persnally seen both, and an F1 car blur, at 200 mph, looks > similar to a Nascar car blur at, 200 mph, when they whiz by directly > in front of you. :) Yes, but the main difference is that you see a minority of those blur shots on television in Nascar, while per example at Hockenheim there was simply NO way to get correct side advertising on those cars. Sure they had long focus shots (ex : looking at the Senna chicane from the stadium), but when you pay 40million dollars for sponsorship on the side of the car, you want TT (television time). > Frank's just being a little... silly .. again. Ed's just being a little... foolish .. again. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I think Spa is more of THE track... Indianapolis super slow corners > (known has the plumbers delight) at 45 kph is not what F1 are meant to > be... Well Spa and Monte Carlo both have super slow corners so your argument is total horse shit :-) -- [email hidden]

"Robin Lord" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qr1bh$jms$[email hidden]... > | It is among the top F1 tracks right now! The largest crowd in > | F1 history to watch a race will do that :-) > > Is that a TV figure or at the track? As far as i recall the Nordschleife > used to attract around 350,000 at the track on race day. 250,000 paid in attendance. -- [email hidden]

"Steve Marsh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ebjA5.7955$[email hidden]... > What was that with DC at the start of the race - he jump started, which is > the only reason he got ahead of Schumi. He had to come off, and therefore > was not really in the lead. Shouldn't he have been blue flagged? Nope. Blue flags do not mean that you must let the guy past I think. It means that you should be aware that someone else is near you. DC should have been black flagged at the end of lap 1 IMHO, his jump start was that obvious. The sad part is that as a F1 fan I knew he would not be black flagged until *MANY* laps later. > OK, I *know* the rules are that he could stay in front, but it means that, > for example, DC could blow his chances in the final race, seriously > jump-start to P1, and take Michael out at turn 1. As he almost did. > He won't do that of course, as he would get fined (even if he was able to > get through)... but where is the difference between what happened onSunday > and the above strategy??? I don't think there is. -- [email hidden]

> > Nope. Blue flags do not mean that you must let the guy past I think. Yes they do. In the present rulebook you must yield to the car behind within 3 corners if you are shown a blue flag (applying to cars being lapped only) Failure to do so can result in a 10s penalty for blocking. > It means that you should be aware that someone else is near you. > DC should have been black flagged at the end of lap 1 IMHO, his > jump start was that obvious. According to the press, he had a dragging clutch problem, which might explain his slow pace as well. MS> > >

. I cannot believe Enzo > Ferrari would have ever wanted to associate with a man as dishonorable > as Schumi. Mika beware if McLaren wins Malaysia. Correct. Enzo died in 1988 when Shuey was still wearing short trousers. Ferrari is not Ferrari any more. It's Fiat. MS

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> > In article <RoaA5.118973$[email hidden]>, > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8qq8ul$hpt$[email hidden]... > > > Erik's prediction: Schumi yet again does NOT take the title for > > > Ferrari. He will DNF the next race with gearbox troubles and spin > off > > > in the season finale. Mika wins by twelve points. ::) > > > > NOpe, ya got it wrong. Mika and David go 1-2 at Suzuka, Ferrari > just > > hasn't produced a car for that track in the last two years that could > keep > > up with the Macs, which leaves Michael 3rd and only 4 points. His > lead is > > down to 2 once again and it all comes down to Malasia. There you > have to > > figure two options. Ferrari dominated last year so either they got > the > > track figured out or Mclaren just missed the boat. With a year to > tinker on > > the Malay setups, the chances of Mclaren being "off" again are slim > to none. > > So "if" Ferrari has Malasia covered , it is Michael as WC. But if > Mclaren > > narrows the margin from last year, it could go either way. > > Keep in mind the last two "damp" races, Mika has come up with a > better > > setup for the race than Michael. I think we can all agree, until his > > suspensiion cooked, it was only a matter of a few more laps before > Mika put > > another Spa pass on the Ferrari. > > I don't see the Red Horses keeping up with the West cars in Japan. > I > > predict > > the Malay race will decide all. Either Mika by two, or Michael by 6. > > Ruebens won't be of help at Japan, David most likely will. Both > Irvine and > > Jacques do well at the Nipponese circut...Mika "could" almost clinch > before > > they travel to Indonesia. > > dave henrie > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

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> > On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:40:21 +0100, "Mark Ogilvie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Indy is an impressive venue but the track layout does not do it justice. Its > >nothing more than another plastic GP track > > Huh?

"Huh?", very impressive counter argument...not!

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> > Pierre Legrand <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:39d02edc.11421491@news... > > Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down > > the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. > > hehe.. > > Balls of steel turn???? > Not what the drivers said, they thought it was pretty damn easy. > Then again they enter it at 150mph, Indy cars enter it at 230mhp, so that's > why.

They should make one change to the track - change the entry to the oval course to before turn 2 (of the oval). This would give them two turns of the banked track, and the second one would be a much greater test. If the golf course won't allow it, make those golfers chip over the track. - Michael

There was an awesome battle going on for 2nd-4th though. JB "Mark Ogilvie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qqcns$si7$[email hidden]... > Indy is an impressive venue but the track layout does not do it justice.Its > nothing more than another plastic GP track. As for the race - one lead > change which is about one more than we normally get on track. I don'tfeel > very rekindled. > > Mark. > >

I still don't think linking two turns would be a problem for the F1 cars. They carry far too much downforce and drag. Until they start approaching the limits the champ and IRL cars are cabable of in straightline speed, they will have more than enough downforce to keep the pedal pegged all the way through both turns. It would be interesting to see the trap speeds of a Honda/Reynard vs the F1 cars from the infield to turn 1. dave henrie "MichaelJP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <8qq2i4$81v$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > > >

"DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qsr8q$pr4$[email hidden]... > > Well Spa and Monte Carlo both have super slow corners so your > > argument is total horse shit :-) > > > very clever...but we all know what he means, i.e. Indy is slow as shit, > and he's right. It aint F1. Well it sure as hell seemed like F1 when I was there to watch the race. -- [email hidden]

In article <8qrq08$6e8$[email hidden]>, "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> How 'bout Ron offering Zonta or Fisico a bonus again? >> Two races to go, two first corners to pass ... ;-) >> >> >> Jan > >What's Ron need Fishyfella or Zonta for when he's got DC. I'll bet he's >regretting not having had David take out Shumi at Indy when he had the >chance.<g> > >don

I was a bit leery when Schu passed DC. Even though I like Mika, I would have been pissed if DC took out Michael... I just don't like those tactics. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

he thinks its bernies fault that theres no online play in modern F1 sims.... pez Greg Cisko wrote in message ...

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>"Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> 45 kph (for your knowledge it's 28 Mph) for 2 consecutive corners is >rather >> slow don't you think ? As for Spa, there's only one corner that's slow >it's >> at La Source, even still, they take it around 80 kph... I never mentioned >> Monaco in my reply.. > >You said any track with a corner that slow was not F1. Monaco has >a turn that slow. I also doubt much if it matters that there is one >slow turn or two consecutive turns. > >> as for my examples being total horse hit, it's much better than what >you've >> done when GP3 came out and you posted 150 reply on the subject here in

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>> when you never got the game (that's what you said, unless you got a warez >> and never admited it)... > >I don't think it is better. > >> Before flaming someone, you should look outside your little world and >maybe >> admit that things made outside the States "could" actually be made better >> than Tony George and co. did. What they've done with Indy is a real >joke... >> it use to be MAN track.. now they complied to Bernie Ecclestone wishes

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>> views of what F1 should be... > >What would *YOU* really care if the track ever got "fixed" or not? You >obviously have some hatred for Indy because they complied to >Bernies wishes. No matter what they did, I would expect you would >still be complaining. It seems to just be eating away at you that they >have a good quality track now in the US. Haha. > > >-- > >[email hidden] > > > > >

In article <FCvA5.20725$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8qsr8q$pr4$[email hidden]... > > > Well Spa and Monte Carlo both have super slow corners so your > > > argument is total horse shit :-) > > > > > > very clever...but we all know what he means, i.e. Indy is slow as

shit, > > and he's right. It aint F1. > > Well it sure as hell seemed like F1 when I was there to watch the > race. oh, you were there were you... well count yourself lucky that you were spared the spinning Logo on the TV coverage... > > -- > > [email hidden] > > -- DarDANe][ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:17:43 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well Spa and Monte Carlo both have super slow corners so your >argument is total horse shit :-) So does the Nurburgring, guess it's horse-shit too. John

On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:30:48 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's not like I'm throwing rubbish non-sense Ed. Despite the fact that everything written above that would tend to suggest the opposite :-) NASCAR races on ovals because of the way the sport (and motorsport in general developed in the US). Mickey mouse corners exist in F1 because of a lack of space, knee jerk reactions to safety and lack of imagination in course design. Even classics like the original Suzuka and Spa layouts have slow corners, but they don't have a predominance of them and they are designed to offer opportnities which "Mickey" and "Mouse" do not. There is no relation between TV advertising and slow corners - there are already digital cameras that can lock onto a transponder in an F1 car and pan perfectly with it, far better than any cameraman could do. That camera and a transponder in each car works out FAR cheaper than redesigning a track. John

On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:35:06 GMT, "Steve Marsh" <[email hidden]> wrote: >OK, I *know* the rules are that he could stay in front, but it means that, >for example, DC could blow his chances in the final race, seriously >jump-start to P1, and take Michael out at turn 1. Nah, DC wouldn't take the chance of doing something like that, he's too sensible. He'd be leaving himself wide open to being sued by Michael over copyright issues. >He won't do that of course, as he would get fined Would he? I thought the standard punishment was the mildest wrist slap imaginable, to lose your championship place but keep all of your points and race wins. John

What was that with DC at the start of the race - he jump started, which is the only reason he got ahead of Schumi. He had to come off, and therefore was not really in the lead. Shouldn't he have been blue flagged? OK, I *know* the rules are that he could stay in front, but it means that, for example, DC could blow his chances in the final race, seriously jump-start to P1, and take Michael out at turn 1. He won't do that of course, as he would get fined (even if he was able to get through)... but where is the difference between what happened on Sunday and the above strategy??? Steve "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qrq08$6e8$[email hidden]...

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> > "Jan Loebzien" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:39:37 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > > > >Erik's prediction: Schumi yet again does NOT take the title for > > >Ferrari. He will DNF the next race with gearbox troubles and spin off > > >in the season finale. Mika wins by twelve points. ::) > > > > How 'bout Ron offering Zonta or Fisico a bonus again? > > Two races to go, two first corners to pass ... ;-) > > > > > > Jan > > What's Ron need Fishyfella or Zonta for when he's got DC. I'll bet he's > regretting not having had David take out Shumi at Indy when he had the > chance.<g> > > don > >

45 kph (for your knowledge it's 28 Mph) for 2 consecutive corners is rather slow don't you think ? As for Spa, there's only one corner that's slow it's at La Source, even still, they take it around 80 kph... I never mentioned Monaco in my reply.. as for my examples being total horse hit, it's much better than what you've done when GP3 came out and you posted 150 reply on the subject here in ras when you never got the game (that's what you said, unless you got a warez and never admited it)... Before flaming someone, you should look outside your little world and maybe admit that things made outside the States "could" actually be made better than Tony George and co. did. What they've done with Indy is a real joke... it use to be MAN track.. now they complied to Bernie Ecclestone wishes and views of what F1 should be... Eric Greg Cisko wrote:

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> "Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I think Spa is more of THE track... Indianapolis super slow corners > > (known has the plumbers delight) at 45 kph is not what F1 are meant to > > be... > > Well Spa and Monte Carlo both have super slow corners so your > argument is total horse shit :-) > > -- > > [email hidden]

[email hidden] (Domagoj Malovic) wrote: > I do think however that something should be done > about those two tight hairpins before the final straight. I think that section was all about selling F1 to the US viewing public rather than racing. The "camera on a stick" footage from there was pretty good to watch. Andrew McP

What choice did they have Eric? If you want an F1 race, you have to go with what Bernie says. Should they NOT have pursued getting F1 back in the states? I attended the race and thought everything went splendidly. You should see and hear the F1 machines screaming down the front straight, the sound rattling through the steel bleachers...it was wonderful! In article <[email hidden]>, Eric Cote <[email hidden]> wrote: > 45 kph (for your knowledge it's 28 Mph) for 2 consecutive corners israther > slow don't you think ? As for Spa, there's only one corner that'sslow it's > at La Source, even still, they take it around 80 kph... I nevermentioned > Monaco in my reply.. > > as for my examples being total horse hit, it's much better than whatyou've > done when GP3 came out and you posted 150 reply on the subject herein ras > when you never got the game (that's what you said, unless you got awarez > and never admited it)... > > Before flaming someone, you should look outside your little world andmaybe > admit that things made outside the States "could" actually be madebetter > than Tony George and co. did. What they've done with Indy is a realjoke... > it use to be MAN track.. now they complied to Bernie Ecclestonewishes and

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> views of what F1 should be... > > Eric > > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > "Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I think Spa is more of THE track... Indianapolis super slow

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> "John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote > NASCAR races on ovals because of the way the sport (and motorsport in > general developed in the US). Ummm I know John. I was simply replying to how great sponsorship can get TT in both series. > There is no relation between TV advertising and slow corners I took those words directly from Bernie's mouth in interviews he did in the past. But hey I guess he doesn't know shite! There is a direct relation with slowing down cars in any kind of way (groved tyres, chicane, tightened corners) and the television time of those corporations that sponsor F1. > - there > are already digital cameras that can lock onto a transponder in an F1 > car and pan perfectly with it, far better than any cameraman could do. They are still not perfect. Those cameras can't pan at infinite speed, their motors aren't very fast for drastic changes of movement. Which creates blurry cars, and blurry cars means blurry sponsors. Blurry sponsors equals less -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > 45 kph (for your knowledge it's 28 Mph) for 2 consecutive corners israther > slow don't you think ? As for Spa, there's only one corner that's slowit's > at La Source, even still, they take it around 80 kph... I never mentioned > Monaco in my reply.. You said any track with a corner that slow was not F1. Monaco has a turn that slow. I also doubt much if it matters that there is one slow turn or two consecutive turns. > as for my examples being total horse hit, it's much better than whatyou've > done when GP3 came out and you posted 150 reply on the subject here in ras > when you never got the game (that's what you said, unless you got a warez > and never admited it)... I don't think it is better. > Before flaming someone, you should look outside your little world andmaybe > admit that things made outside the States "could" actually be made better > than Tony George and co. did. What they've done with Indy is a realjoke... > it use to be MAN track.. now they complied to Bernie Ecclestone wishes and > views of what F1 should be... What would *YOU* really care if the track ever got "fixed" or not? You obviously have some hatred for Indy because they complied to Bernies wishes. No matter what they did, I would expect you would still be complaining. It seems to just be eating away at you that they have a good quality track now in the US. Haha. -- [email hidden]

Despite Michael's post race comments I was impressed that DC didn't take him out. It was good racing IMHO without teams overly coming in to play other than DC holding MS up. After the games Ferrari have played e.g. MS backing off letting Irvine past Hakkinen & MS at Japan a couple of years back MS has nothing to complain about IMHO Tony (Ferrari fan!) "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <8qrq08$6e8$[email hidden]>, "don hodgdon" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> How 'bout Ron offering Zonta or Fisico a bonus again? > >> Two races to go, two first corners to pass ... ;-) > >> > >> > >> Jan > > > >What's Ron need Fishyfella or Zonta for when he's got DC. I'll bet he's > >regretting not having had David take out Shumi at Indy when he had the > >chance.<g> > > > >don > > I was a bit leery when Schu passed DC. Even though I like Mika, I would

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> been pissed if DC took out Michael... I just don't like those tactics. > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +49.67 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:06:49 GMT, "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Despite Michael's post race comments I was impressed that DC didn't take him >out. It was good racing IMHO without teams overly coming in to play other >than DC holding MS up. > >After the games Ferrari have played e.g. MS backing off letting Irvine past >Hakkinen & MS at Japan a couple of years back MS has nothing to complain >about IMHO

Nothing wrong with tactics per se (except for actively driving some- one off the track of course), after all it's a team sport. What makes Coulthard's behavior look bad (and more so his and McLaren's talk about "winning with style" hypocritical) is that he knew he was going to get the penalty. This wasn't a normal battle for position. For instance Mazzacane had every right to be in front of Hakkinen and "block" him, while Coulthard should not have been in front of Schumacher in the first place. The funny part is, without Coulthard slowing down at the beginning, by the end he could have been right with the group of Frentzen, Barichello and Villeneuve, i.e. well within reach of better finish and even a place on the podium. :-) Jan

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> he thinks its bernies fault that theres no online play in modern F1 sims.... > > pez > Greg Cisko wrote in message ... > >"Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> 45 kph (for your knowledge it's 28 Mph) for 2 consecutive corners is > >rather > >> slow don't you think ? As for Spa, there's only one corner that's slow > >it's > >> at La Source, even still, they take it around 80 kph... I never mentioned > >> Monaco in my reply.. > > > >You said any track with a corner that slow was not F1. Monaco has > >a turn that slow. I also doubt much if it matters that there is one > >slow turn or two consecutive turns. > > > >> as for my examples being total horse hit, it's much better than what > >you've > >> done when GP3 came out and you posted 150 reply on the subject here in > ras > >> when you never got the game (that's what you said, unless you got a warez > >> and never admited it)... > > > >I don't think it is better. > > > >> Before flaming someone, you should look outside your little world and > >maybe > >> admit that things made outside the States "could" actually be made better > >> than Tony George and co. did. What they've done with Indy is a real > >joke... > >> it use to be MAN track.. now they complied to Bernie Ecclestone wishes > and > >> views of what F1 should be... > > > >What would *YOU* really care if the track ever got "fixed" or not? You > >obviously have some hatred for Indy because they complied to > >Bernies wishes. No matter what they did, I would expect you would > >still be complaining. It seems to just be eating away at you that they > >have a good quality track now in the US. Haha. > > > > > >-- > > > >[email hidden] > > > > > > > > > >

A good quality US track would be more Elkhart Lake than anything else... What i'm saying is at Indianapolis.. they didn't need to add those 2 super slow corners... it breaks the rythm totally. BTW, I have nothing agains't Indy nor the CART series.... But couldn't care less about Nascar though. Eric Greg Cisko wrote:

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> "Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > 45 kph (for your knowledge it's 28 Mph) for 2 consecutive corners is > rather > > slow don't you think ? As for Spa, there's only one corner that's slow > it's > > at La Source, even still, they take it around 80 kph... I never mentioned > > Monaco in my reply.. > > You said any track with a corner that slow was not F1. Monaco has > a turn that slow. I also doubt much if it matters that there is one > slow turn or two consecutive turns. > > > as for my examples being total horse hit, it's much better than what > you've > > done when GP3 came out and you posted 150 reply on the subject here in ras > > when you never got the game (that's what you said, unless you got a warez > > and never admited it)... > > I don't think it is better. > > > Before flaming someone, you should look outside your little world and > maybe > > admit that things made outside the States "could" actually be made better > > than Tony George and co. did. What they've done with Indy is a real > joke... > > it use to be MAN track.. now they complied to Bernie Ecclestone wishes and > > views of what F1 should be... > > What would *YOU* really care if the track ever got "fixed" or not? You > obviously have some hatred for Indy because they complied to > Bernies wishes. No matter what they did, I would expect you would > still be complaining. It seems to just be eating away at you that they > have a good quality track now in the US. Haha. > > -- > > [email hidden]

>What i'm saying is at Indianapolis.. they didn't need to add those 2 super slow >corners... it breaks the rythm totally. But what would the laptimes be if they weren't there? -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Dave Henrie wrote: > NOpe, ya got it wrong. Mika and David go 1-2 at Suzuka, Ferrari just > hasn't produced a car for that track in the last two years that could keep > up with the Macs Yeah, but after the Ferrari performance at Monza (probably the most McLaren friendly circuit of them all the past few years), I wouldn't count on the gap still being there at Suzuka. It should definitely be interesting. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:06:25 +0100, "Mark.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: >There is no bigger hypocrite than MS. Erm, isn't it it the most hypocrite who calls others hypocrite but acts the same way if he does see fit? E.g. accusing someone of zig-zagging only to do the same thing in the next race. Complaining about being driven off the track only to do it yourself a few races later? >Agreed about Mazzacane, he was genuinely running in 3rd place so I believe, >but Coulthard had every right to do what he was doing and continue racing >until such time that the stewards decreed otherwise. The rules state that >they have 20 minutes in which to act upon an infringement and call a driver >in for a penalty. Morally DC had no right to be in front of MS, but of course F1 is not primarily about morals. What bothers me is McLaren's "moral" talk about how they would never use the rules to their extent, how they would never use team orders and so on. Constantly accusing Ferrari of these things while not hesitating a second to do it themselfes if deemed appropriate, *this* is hypocrite, if you ask me! >True enough but if Hakkinens engine had not blown............ Unlike DC's blocking tactics, the blew-up was rather unavoidable, i.e. not intentional and team order. So there ... ;-) Jan

Let me just say that the track does not need to change!!! I sat in the mounds.... I believe it was in turns 7 and 8. All I know is that it was right in front where Schumacher spun out.. Villenueve spun out.. and Pedro hit the wall. I paid 25 bucks for my tickets and saw some people there with 85 dollar seat tickets coming to where I was. It was the greatest race I have ever seen.... even if Mika blew his engine... which I saw before any TV or announcers picked up.. it was AWESOME!!! I was there Friday and Saturday too... it was the BOMB!!!! I don't think anyone next to me was even from the US. "Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39d02edc.11421491@news...

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> Damn I thought I was over my love of F1....was so darn tired of seeing > 850 horsepower cards negotiating chicanes and modified Kart > tracks..then along comes Indy and boy what a race...and what a Track. > Turn 13 was balls of steel turn.....sheeeeeet beautiful....220 down > the straight, THAT IS THE KIND OF TRACK THOSE CARS DESERVE DAMMIT. > hehe.. > > Its the first Time I actually enjoyed watching Michael winning...and > now I can see that I will be watching the rest of the races hoping for > him to finally bring Ferrari the win it deserves. > > PAPA DOC > Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand > Flanker Target > Grand Prix Legends Crash Test Dummy > Rants, Bullshit and Help Guides availible at > www.papadoc.net

"pez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8r069o$ppa$[email hidden]... > he thinks its bernies fault that theres no online play in modern F1sims.... > > pez I beleive that WAS indeed a paticular of the F1 license. At some point, Unckle Bernie will try and milk us of our virtual cash as well by putting up some sort of commercial version of online racing. Or didnt' anyone notice the corporate sponsorship for F12k's offline competition.???? dave henrie

>Nothing wrong with tactics per se (except for actively driving some- >one off the track of course), after all it's a team sport. >What makes Coulthard's behavior look bad (and more so his and >McLaren's talk about "winning with style" hypocritical) There is no bigger hypocrite than MS. He seems to forget how he gave DC such a hard time in France when he was clearly slower and in trouble, and almost running him off the road at the hairpin. When the tides are turned, he is always the first to moan like the baby who has had his lollypop taken away. > > For instance Mazzacane had every right to be in front of Hakkinen > and "block" him, while Coulthard should not have been in front of > Schumacher in the first place. Agreed about Mazzacane, he was genuinely running in 3rd place so I believe, but Coulthard had every right to do what he was doing and continue racing until such time that the stewards decreed otherwise. The rules state that they have 20 minutes in which to act upon an infringement and call a driver in for a penalty. The driver is then required to pit within 3 laps. There have been instances in the past where this has not happened so Mr Dennis and the sponsors might have got a bit upset if DC had just gone tits up. Anyone remember the British GP when MS refused to pit after receiving a similar penalty for overtaking Hill on the warmup lap? Again, if MS wants to make something of this, maybe he ought to take a look at the history books. > > The funny part is, without Coulthard slowing down at the beginning, > by the end he could have been right with the group of Frentzen, > Barichello and Villeneuve, i.e. well within reach of better finish and > even a place on the podium. :-) True enough but if Hakkinens engine had not blown............ Mark > > > Jan

On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 03:36:08 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > That's an interesting thought Jan. What if Mika was overiding the engine >management controls to try and catch Schumi? For the Mclaren to be so far >off the pace and then to be soooo much faster, one has to wonder....did he >blow the engine by pushing tooo hard? That question was raised on german TV in the after-race show, but instantly dismissed by the resident expert, Niki Lauda himself. He stated that there would be no way to override the RPM limiter or such, and that in the cool conditions the engines had it rather easy in general anyway. The consensus seems to be that Mika was set up for the dry, while Michael apparently had a wet setup. Sort of "Spa revisited". By the time Mazzacane finally made his stop and Mika could drive freely, the track was pretty much dried up. Good for Mika, bad for Michael. The more you think about it, the more obvius it becomes: this was truly a remakable race. Just think of the fantastic pit stop bluff by Ferrari, to get Rubens in front of HH! And this to the Jordan team, who are known for exceptional tank strategies ... poor Eddie. :-) Jan

"Jan Loebzien" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > >True enough but if Hakkinens engine had not blown............ > > Unlike DC's blocking tactics, the blew-up was rather unavoidable, > i.e. not intentional and team order. So there ... ;-) > > Jan That's an interesting thought Jan. What if Mika was overiding the engine management controls to try and catch Schumi? For the Mclaren to be so far off the pace and then to be soooo much faster, one has to wonder....did he blow the engine by pushing tooo hard? dave henrie

"DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qvihm$12n$[email hidden]... > oh, you were there were you... well count yourself lucky that you were > spared the spinning Logo on the TV coverage... Actually I count myself lucky I am not *YOU* :-) -- [email hidden]

Thanks Jan...about two days after making that post...I realized it was a suspension failure due to the cracked header....kinda tough to equate engine management with that....burned piston maybe..hehehe... dave henrie "