Re: GPL - the "SHIT" debate continues

DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qt6fc$48g$[email hidden]... I have plenty of time to work on GPL, what I don''t have time for is any more of your crap... welcome to my kill file... d

In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim which it quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a driving game that got even vaguely close) but I was making the point that the game is only any use if you have a lot of time put in especially in single player mode as there is no difficulty level (which is a major omission....however shit or amazing I am).I am also obviously at a loss as to how people find the time to put in (esp. when some spend a fair bit of time on this NG as well). If you dont have the time then the occasional go at GPL is immensely frustrating.. is it not. Something like GP3.. whilst highly inferior in more ways than just plain physics, can actually be a very useful and enjoyable game. Some of you posted some healthy comments and agreed with me and also joined in for a bit of fun and went some way in explaining how they manage to put in the time - thanx for that - (bmwisme, Graeme nash, Ryan Mitchley etc..). but some of you got defensive tried to make the funky replies, play the tough-guy and very ingeniously deduce that I must be shit !!! what the **** is all that about ? We still swapping conkers here or what.... Ace, Eric Cote etc... So what's your GPL times ??? If I'm shit then let me try match your laps then maybe that'll make you shit as well......... -- DarDANe][ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

"DarDANe][" wrote: > A lot http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/ Sign up for GPL Rank - do you have a proper bloody name btw?

"DarDANe][" wrote: > > In the "GPL is shit post" I did say... Yeah yeah, you did say a lot didn't you. Why don't you spend less time lying on soft pillows enjoying the pleasures of the palm!

"DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qt6fc$48g$[email hidden]... > In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim which it > quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the > topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a driving game > that got even vaguely close) but I was making the point that the game is > only any use if you have a lot of time put in especially in single > player mode as there is no difficulty level Hmm. We have auto gears, braking assistance, we have a no damage mode, what more do younwant? Automatic steering perhaps? I am also obviously at a loss > as to how people find the time to put in (esp. when some spend a fair > bit of time on this NG as well). If you dont have the time then the > occasional go at GPL is immensely frustrating.. is it not. Something > like GP3.. whilst highly inferior in more ways than just plain physics, > can actually be a very useful and enjoyable game. Horses for courses. You either take on the challenge of a sim and set your goals or have fun playing games. Most people in this day and age opt for the instant gratification route. > but some of you got defensive tried to make the funky replies, play the > tough-guy and very ingeniously deduce that I must be shit !!! what the > **** is all that about ? We still swapping conkers here or what.... Ace, > Eric Cote etc... So what's your GPL times ??? If I'm shit then let me > try match your laps then maybe that'll make you shit as well......... Highly reasoned argument and eloquently articulated. What grade are you in this year? MS

Quoted text (7 lines)

> > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

"DarDANe][" wrote: > but some of you got defensive You sound like a relatively intelligent guy, so don't insult everyone *else's* intelligence by pretending you had no idea a post titled "GPL is shit" wasn't a troll of the first order. Asking a question with your attitude already in the title pretty much guarantees knee-jerk replies of a similar attitude. Trolls beget flames, flames beget trolls... BB

DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qt6fc$48g$[email hidden]... <snipped> > but some of you got defensive tried to make the funky replies, play the > tough-guy and very ingeniously deduce that I must be shit !!! what the > **** is all that about ? We still swapping conkers here or what.... Ace, > Eric Cote etc... So what's your GPL times ??? If I'm shit then let me > try match your laps then maybe that'll make you shit as well......... But do you have the time to match our laps? I mean, you might need to drive all the circuits, doing more than one or two laps on some occasions. Wouldn't want to put you to all that trouble, esp' at the Nurburgring. -- -Ace- (GPLRank -4.46) Ever Improving :-)

Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote <snip> . Trolls beget flames, flames beget trolls... >And according to AD&D, fire, or flame, is one of the few ways to permanently kill a Troll. -- -Ace- (GPLRank -4.46) Ever Improving :-)

In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (7 lines)

> "DarDANe][" wrote: > > > but some of you got defensive > > You sound like a relatively intelligent guy, so don't insult everyone > *else's* intelligence by pretending you had no idea a post titled "GPL > is shit" wasn't a troll of the first order.

whats a troll... and why ? Asking a question with your > attitude already in the title pretty much guarantees knee-jerk replies > of a similar attitude. Trolls beget flames, flames beget trolls... > > BB > -- DarDANe][ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <Y%KA5.1057$[email hidden]>, "Mark.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: > wasn't a troll of the first order. > > > > whats a troll... and why ? > > A Fuckwit like yourself !! you're still feeding me Mark....

Quoted text (7 lines)

> > MS > > > > > > > > Asking a question with your > > > attitude already in the title pretty much guarantees knee-jerk

replies

Quoted text (13 lines)

> > > of a similar attitude. Trolls beget flames, flames beget trolls... > > > > > > BB > > > > > > > -- > > DarDANe][ > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

-- DarDANe][ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:15:49 GMT, DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote: >but some of you got defensive tried to make the funky replies, play the >tough-guy and very ingeniously deduce that I must be shit !!! what the >**** is all that about ? We still swapping conkers here or what.... Ace, >Eric Cote etc... So what's your GPL times ??? If I'm shit then let me >try match your laps then maybe that'll make you shit as well......... Perhaps you provoke those reactions with your Greg Cisco attitude? (no offense Greg :) Andre

Sounds basically like you want something to be realistic, but not be hard. Yea, that makes TONS OF SENSE... -Stuart Becktell "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qt6fc$48g$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (30 lines)

> In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim which it > quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the > topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a driving game > that got even vaguely close) but I was making the point that the game is > only any use if you have a lot of time put in especially in single > player mode as there is no difficulty level (which is a major > omission....however shit or amazing I am).I am also obviously at a loss > as to how people find the time to put in (esp. when some spend a fair > bit of time on this NG as well). If you dont have the time then the > occasional go at GPL is immensely frustrating.. is it not. Something > like GP3.. whilst highly inferior in more ways than just plain physics, > can actually be a very useful and enjoyable game. > > Some of you posted some healthy comments and agreed with me and also > joined in for a bit of fun and went some way in explaining how they > manage to put in the time - thanx for that - (bmwisme, Graeme nash, Ryan > Mitchley etc..). > > but some of you got defensive tried to make the funky replies, play the > tough-guy and very ingeniously deduce that I must be shit !!! what the > **** is all that about ? We still swapping conkers here or what.... Ace, > Eric Cote etc... So what's your GPL times ??? If I'm shit then let me > try match your laps then maybe that'll make you shit as well......... > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

"DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted text (12 lines)

> In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim which it > quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the > topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a driving game > that got even vaguely close) but I was making the point that the game is > only any use if you have a lot of time put in especially in single > player mode as there is no difficulty level (which is a major > omission....however shit or amazing I am).I am also obviously at a loss > as to how people find the time to put in (esp. when some spend a fair > bit of time on this NG as well). If you dont have the time then the > occasional go at GPL is immensely frustrating.. is it not. Something > like GP3.. whilst highly inferior in more ways than just plain physics, > can actually be a very useful and enjoyable game.

What can we say? GPL is made for a niche market. If it doesn't suit you nor you have the time to correctly spend time with it, then it's just not made for you and it will be frustrating. Just like a real racecar would be frustrating for you if you spent a small amount of time with it! GPL made no concessions, that's all. Why do people assume they can hop in a realistic virtual car (or a real-life race car) and expect to be good? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Respect to the Menardmeister :) completely agree Ash | | | What can we say? GPL is made for a niche market. If it doesn't suit younor | you have the time to correctly spend time with it, then it's just not made | for you and it will be frustrating. Just like a real racecar would be | frustrating for you if you spent a small amount of time with it! GPL made | no concessions, that's all. | | Why do people assume they can hop in a realistic virtual car (or areal-life

Quoted text (10 lines)

| race car) and expect to be good? | | | | | -- | -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> | -- May the Downforce be with you... | -- http://www.WeRace.net | -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise | how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. | | |

"DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qt6fc$48g$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (12 lines)

> In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim which it > quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the > topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a driving game > that got even vaguely close) but I was making the point that the game is > only any use if you have a lot of time put in especially in single > player mode as there is no difficulty level (which is a major > omission....however shit or amazing I am).I am also obviously at a loss > as to how people find the time to put in (esp. when some spend a fair > bit of time on this NG as well). If you dont have the time then the > occasional go at GPL is immensely frustrating.. is it not. Something > like GP3.. whilst highly inferior in more ways than just plain physics, > can actually be a very useful and enjoyable game.

People find the time by ignoring their wife, kids, job, etc.

Quoted text (18 lines)

> > Some of you posted some healthy comments and agreed with me and also > joined in for a bit of fun and went some way in explaining how they > manage to put in the time - thanx for that - (bmwisme, Graeme nash, Ryan > Mitchley etc..). > > but some of you got defensive tried to make the funky replies, play the > tough-guy and very ingeniously deduce that I must be shit !!! what the > **** is all that about ? We still swapping conkers here or what.... Ace, > Eric Cote etc... So what's your GPL times ??? If I'm shit then let me > try match your laps then maybe that'll make you shit as well......... > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

The "block sender" command works even better. "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4NuA5.171431$[email hidden]... > > Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote <snip> > > . Trolls beget flames, flames beget trolls... > > > And according to AD&D, fire, or flame, is one of the few ways topermanently

Quoted text (7 lines)

> kill a Troll. > -- > -Ace- > (GPLRank -4.46) > Ever Improving :-) > >

Check around. There is a least one program available that can be used to scale the opposition down. "Disgruntled Goat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (7 lines)

> On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:32:22 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >"DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim which it > >> quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the > >> topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a driving

game > >> that got even vaguely close) but I was making the point that the gameis

Quoted text (11 lines)

> >> only any use if you have a lot of time put in especially in single > >> player mode as there is no difficulty level (which is a major > >> omission....however shit or amazing I am).I am also obviously at a loss > >> as to how people find the time to put in (esp. when some spend a fair > >> bit of time on this NG as well). If you dont have the time then the > >> occasional go at GPL is immensely frustrating.. is it not. Something > >> like GP3.. whilst highly inferior in more ways than just plain physics, > >> can actually be a very useful and enjoyable game. > > > > > >What can we say? GPL is made for a niche market. If it doesn't suit you

nor > >you have the time to correctly spend time with it, then it's just notmade > >for you and it will be frustrating. Just like a real racecar would be > >frustrating for you if you spent a small amount of time with it! GPLmade > >no concessions, that's all. > > > >Why do people assume they can hop in a realistic virtual car (or areal-life

Quoted text (17 lines)

> >race car) and expect to be good? > > > > Myself, I love GPL - but can't win a race. Gets frustrating, i'll tell > you. I'd like a Nascar 3 type system where you can scale the > opposition - that IMHO would make it the perfect open-wheeler sim. > Hell, not many of us here are Jim Clark or Jack Brabham, are we? > > DG > > > > > > > >-- > >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > >-- May the Downforce be with you... > >-- http://www.WeRace.net > >-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > > > > >

Only a few hours a week over six months is enough to get you to the point where you get more reward than frustration from GPL. Don't assume every GPL fan plays the game ten or twenty hours a week because it's just not the case. I've never played GPL as much as I have been doing recently, and that's still only about 3 hours a week on average. Also bare in mind that GPL is difficult to appreciate without the right hardware. It needs to be running at the full 36 fps for you to be able to react in time, and it needs an anologue control device, preferably with force-feedback. "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qt6fc$48g$[email hidden]... ><snip> > > DarDANe][

wasn't a troll of the first order. > > whats a troll... and why ? A Fuckwit like yourself !! MS

Quoted text (16 lines)

> > > > Asking a question with your > > attitude already in the title pretty much guarantees knee-jerk replies > > of a similar attitude. Trolls beget flames, flames beget trolls... > > > > BB > > > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

The Program I used was called AITweak, which I got from the US Pits -- -Ace- (GPLRank -4.46) Disgruntled Goat <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:43:22 GMT, "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Check around. There is a least one program available that can be used to > >scale the opposition down. > > > > Know any URL's? oer at least something I could type into a search > engine? > > Cheers > > DG

> <snip> Anytime , you wanna race me in WinVROC, I'll be more than delighted to show you what defeat really means in your terms. F1 , F2 anything... Eric

Quoted text (11 lines)

> but some of you got defensive tried to make the funky replies, play the > tough-guy and very ingeniously deduce that I must be shit !!! what the > **** is all that about ? We still swapping conkers here or what.... Ace, > Eric Cote etc... So what's your GPL times ??? If I'm shit then let me > try match your laps then maybe that'll make you shit as well......... > > -- > DarDANe][ > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

In article <[email hidden]>, Eric Cote <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted text (21 lines)

>> > ><snip> > >Anytime , you wanna race me in WinVROC, I'll be more than delighted to >show you what defeat really means in your terms. F1 , F2 anything... > >Eric > >> but some of you got defensive tried to make the funky replies, play the >> tough-guy and very ingeniously deduce that I must be shit !!! what the >> **** is all that about ? We still swapping conkers here or what.... Ace, >> Eric Cote etc... So what's your GPL times ??? If I'm shit then let me >> try match your laps then maybe that'll make you shit as well......... >> >> -- >> DarDANe][ >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. >

Yeah, and if he's not careful, maybe *I'll* challenge him...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Damian Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I wondered why a.c.l. was getting quiet........What the chuff are youdoing > winding these 12 yr olds up? At last.... ! The Cognoscenti speaks.... Damian, Ive been makin' a few enemies here (not by choice) but it aint over yet... Apparently, I'm king of the Trolls Not many got the bit about the cheerleaders in the Indy pit lanes as well...a sad day for F1 > > I agree with you by the way, as do (I think) all of the people in thegames > industry I've ever known or talked to about it. pah !.. there you go... from the people who make the games.. they're laughin at all the gaming Crusaders out there who reckon its soooo dam real...hah Trouble is r.a.s. is full of > gaming fascists who refuse to tolerate anyone questioning their faith.I > wonder > how many of them have actually ever driven anything remotely fast? apparently, one of them has a Corvette...... you'd get more dynamic ability from a Land Rover ! I > wonder how many can actually drive? As we both know, we can drive, > we do so very quickly and we both think GP3 is more fun than GPL. > 'Nuff said. Going to the F&C run... Im gettin married tomorrow....so wont be there ! > > Damian. > > DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8qt6fc$48g$[email hidden]... > > In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim whichit > > quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the > > topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a drivinggame > > that got even vaguely close) but I was making the point that thegame is > > only any use if you have a lot of time put in especially in single > > player mode as there is no difficulty level (which is a major > > omission....however shit or amazing I am).I am also obviously at aloss > > as to how people find the time to put in (esp. when some spend afair > > bit of time on this NG as well). If you dont have the time then the > > occasional go at GPL is immensely frustrating.. is it not. Something > > like GP3.. whilst highly inferior in more ways than just plainphysics, > > can actually be a very useful and enjoyable game. > > > > Some of you posted some healthy comments and agreed with me and also > > joined in for a bit of fun and went some way in explaining how they > > manage to put in the time - thanx for that - (bmwisme, Graeme nash,Ryan > > Mitchley etc..). > > > > but some of you got defensive tried to make the funky replies, playthe > > tough-guy and very ingeniously deduce that I must be shit !!! whatthe > > **** is all that about ? We still swapping conkers here or what....Ace, > > Eric Cote etc... So what's your GPL times ??? If I'm shit then letme > > try match your laps then maybe that'll make you shit aswell.........

Quoted text (9 lines)

> > > > -- > > DarDANe][ > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

-- DarDANe][ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I wondered why a.c.l. was getting quiet........What the chuff are you doing winding these 12 yr olds up? I agree with you by the way, as do (I think) all of the people in the games industry I've ever known or talked to about it. Trouble is r.a.s. is full of gaming fascists who refuse to tolerate anyone questioning their faith. I wonder how many of them have actually ever driven anything remotely fast? I wonder how many can actually drive? As we both know, we can drive, we do so very quickly and we both think GP3 is more fun than GPL. 'Nuff said. Damian. DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qt6fc$48g$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (30 lines)

> In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim which it > quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the > topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a driving game > that got even vaguely close) but I was making the point that the game is > only any use if you have a lot of time put in especially in single > player mode as there is no difficulty level (which is a major > omission....however shit or amazing I am).I am also obviously at a loss > as to how people find the time to put in (esp. when some spend a fair > bit of time on this NG as well). If you dont have the time then the > occasional go at GPL is immensely frustrating.. is it not. Something > like GP3.. whilst highly inferior in more ways than just plain physics, > can actually be a very useful and enjoyable game. > > Some of you posted some healthy comments and agreed with me and also > joined in for a bit of fun and went some way in explaining how they > manage to put in the time - thanx for that - (bmwisme, Graeme nash, Ryan > Mitchley etc..). > > but some of you got defensive tried to make the funky replies, play the > tough-guy and very ingeniously deduce that I must be shit !!! what the > **** is all that about ? We still swapping conkers here or what.... Ace, > Eric Cote etc... So what's your GPL times ??? If I'm shit then let me > try match your laps then maybe that'll make you shit as well......... > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

"DarDANe][" wrote: > > whats a troll... and why ? Look it up.

Trolls feeding trolls. Who knew? "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8r016k$e48$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (39 lines)

> In article <Y%KA5.1057$[email hidden]>, > "Mark.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > wasn't a troll of the first order. > > > > > > whats a troll... and why ? > > > > A Fuckwit like yourself !! > > you're still feeding me Mark.... > > > > > > MS > > > > > > > > > > > > Asking a question with your > > > > attitude already in the title pretty much guarantees knee-jerk > replies > > > > of a similar attitude. Trolls beget flames, flames beget trolls... > > > > > > > > BB > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > DarDANe][ > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:32:22 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (24 lines)

>"DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote >> In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim which it >> quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the >> topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a driving game >> that got even vaguely close) but I was making the point that the game is >> only any use if you have a lot of time put in especially in single >> player mode as there is no difficulty level (which is a major >> omission....however shit or amazing I am).I am also obviously at a loss >> as to how people find the time to put in (esp. when some spend a fair >> bit of time on this NG as well). If you dont have the time then the >> occasional go at GPL is immensely frustrating.. is it not. Something >> like GP3.. whilst highly inferior in more ways than just plain physics, >> can actually be a very useful and enjoyable game. > > >What can we say? GPL is made for a niche market. If it doesn't suit you nor >you have the time to correctly spend time with it, then it's just not made >for you and it will be frustrating. Just like a real racecar would be >frustrating for you if you spent a small amount of time with it! GPL made >no concessions, that's all. > >Why do people assume they can hop in a realistic virtual car (or a real-life >race car) and expect to be good? >

Myself, I love GPL - but can't win a race. Gets frustrating, i'll tell you. I'd like a Nascar 3 type system where you can scale the opposition - that IMHO would make it the perfect open-wheeler sim. Hell, not many of us here are Jim Clark or Jack Brabham, are we? DG

Quoted text (12 lines)

> > > >-- >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >-- May the Downforce be with you... >-- http://www.WeRace.net >-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

Bijanki!!!! Is this u?! Regards, David Disgruntled Goat wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:32:22 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> >wrote: >

On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:43:22 GMT, "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Check around. There is a least one program available that can be used to >scale the opposition down. > Know any URL's? oer at least something I could type into a search engine? Cheers DG

Quoted text (59 lines)

> >"Disgruntled Goat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:32:22 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >"DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote >> >> In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim which it >> >> quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the >> >> topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a driving >game >> >> that got even vaguely close) but I was making the point that the game >is >> >> only any use if you have a lot of time put in especially in single >> >> player mode as there is no difficulty level (which is a major >> >> omission....however shit or amazing I am).I am also obviously at a loss >> >> as to how people find the time to put in (esp. when some spend a fair >> >> bit of time on this NG as well). If you dont have the time then the >> >> occasional go at GPL is immensely frustrating.. is it not. Something >> >> like GP3.. whilst highly inferior in more ways than just plain physics, >> >> can actually be a very useful and enjoyable game. >> > >> > >> >What can we say? GPL is made for a niche market. If it doesn't suit you >nor >> >you have the time to correctly spend time with it, then it's just not >made >> >for you and it will be frustrating. Just like a real racecar would be >> >frustrating for you if you spent a small amount of time with it! GPL >made >> >no concessions, that's all. >> > >> >Why do people assume they can hop in a realistic virtual car (or a >real-life >> >race car) and expect to be good? >> > >> >> Myself, I love GPL - but can't win a race. Gets frustrating, i'll tell >> you. I'd like a Nascar 3 type system where you can scale the >> opposition - that IMHO would make it the perfect open-wheeler sim. >> Hell, not many of us here are Jim Clark or Jack Brabham, are we? >> >> DG >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >> >-- May the Downforce be with you... >> >-- http://www.WeRace.net >> >-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't >realise >> >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. >> > >> > >> > >> > >

Not really. Just giving a civil answer to a civil question <G> MS "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8r016k$e48$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (39 lines)

> In article <Y%KA5.1057$[email hidden]>, > "Mark.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > wasn't a troll of the first order. > > > > > > whats a troll... and why ? > > > > A Fuckwit like yourself !! > > you're still feeding me Mark.... > > > > > > MS > > > > > > > > > > > > Asking a question with your > > > > attitude already in the title pretty much guarantees knee-jerk > replies > > > > of a similar attitude. Trolls beget flames, flames beget trolls... > > > > > > > > BB > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > DarDANe][ > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote > Going to the F&C run... Im gettin married tomorrow....so wont be there ! > Congratulations ;-) -- -Ace- (GPLRank -4.76)

DarDANe][ wrote > > Going to the F&C run... Im gettin married tomorrow....so wont be there ! > A "Marriage is shit.... and here's why" thread anyone? :-) Tony

> pah !.. there you go... from the people who make the games.. they're > laughin at all the gaming Crusaders out there who reckon its soooo dam > real...hah Rather contrasts with the post you started this thread with- > In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim which it > quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the > topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a driving game > that got even vaguely close) You don't seriously think everyone here is still playing GPL two years on just because of the hype about the realism do you? If it wasn't also a top game and enormous fun everyone would have long since gotten bored of it. Personally I don't really care whether it's accurate to the real sport or not. If I found out tomorrow that the cars were way too slidey (which they may well be for all I know) it wouldn't stop me playing and enjoying it. The reason it's so great in my opinion is that the learning curve doesn't just stop after 50 hours play, like with most racing games. The learning curve in GPL just goes on and on more or less forever. The reason for this of course, is the superb physics, as you said yourself. Remember 'realistic physics models' and 'accuracy' are not the same thing. Again though, if you don't like it and aren't going to play it, fair enough, but why the need to slag it off? Enjoy playing GP3 and let the people who enjoy GPL continue to enjoy it. Live and let live.

This argument has been done to death on this forum, but since you two see fit to walse in here and stir it up again, I'm more than happy get onto the breach again. Damian Wilson wrote... > I wondered why a.c.l. was getting quiet........What > the chuff are you doing winding these 12 yr olds up? FYI, the average simracer is 35 years old. Hardly a juvenile. Like your friend you hint at immature people "pretending" to be racing drivers. I find that very insulting. I hold simracing to be as good a hobby as any and therefore I expect to be spared ridicule on the designated forum for this hobby. Do you two go around to Star Trek conventions holding up signs saying "It's just a TV show" ?? > I agree with you by the way, as do (I think) all of the people > in the games industry I've ever known or talked to about it. Names. Let's see who you know "in the games industry". Agree with what BTW? -That GPL is too difficult for the mass market and therefore was not a commercial success? Everybody knows and agrees with that. That GPL is the technically most advanced real time racing simulation?... everyone but DGF agrees with that too. That however, is not the reason for your posts... > Trouble is r.a.s. is full of gaming fascists who refuse > to tolerate anyone questioning their faith. Well, excuse us, this is rec.autos.simulators. I do not spot the word "arcade racing game" in there, do you? > I wonder how many of them have actually ever driven anything > remotely fast? I wonder how many can actually drive? Don't be fooled, I am an exception to the rule here, having only done some autocrossing when I was younger and didn't have a clue about what racing was about. Most RAS regulars are accomplished real life racers. In view of the average age of simracers and most being located in "western civilisations", I think it's safe to say a very large percentage of them know how to drive as well. > As we both know, we can drive, we do so very quickly This is what it's about, isn't it? -The real life racer looking down upon the simracer. Well, f-you!! -The cars may be virtual, but the emotions are real, which, for me, is the fascination of the whole thing. > and we both think GP3 is more fun than GPL. Interesting, I've read many similar comments from real life racers, while to me the car in GP3 feels as dead as a Dodo. Maybe Crammond got something in there only real racers can pick up on, which would make the game even more exclusive than GPL. > 'Nuff said. Yes, nobody can disagree with simracing being a puberescent endeavour. Just like nobody can disagree with this statement: "Somebody named Damian can never drive any racing vehicle fast enough to win a race." -Idiot. Jan. =---

Having to bring someone from another newsgroup in to agree with you says a lot about your argument. <g> IMO you chose to make enemies, deliberately so. If you have such a passing interest in racing sims that you cannot bring yourself to spend the time to arquire the skills required for the more challenging ones, why post at all here? Did you really expect knowing how to race a real car would translate to driving a sim? -Just like the reverse situation, it's not going to happen. There is no free lunch, each form or racing requires you put in the time to learn your craft. If there were some of the more talented among us would be driving for Williams right now. Jan. =--- DarDANe][ wrote... > <snip> > At last.... ! The Cognoscenti speaks.... > Damian, Ive been makin' a few enemies here (not by choice) > but it aint over yet...

Damian Wilson wrote... > > <snip> > Jolly good. Nothing like a goo argument eh? > > <snip> > > I find that difficult to believe. Where does this statistic come from? Simracing Mag, I think... besides, look around you... VROC is all 30-somethings. > > <snip> > It *is* just a TV show. Didn't you know? To us, yes, not to them. It's about showing respect for people who are "different". > > Names. Let's see who you know "in the games industry". > > I used to work for Codemasters. I know plenty. Ah Codemasters, the people who simulate what the average buyer thinks the cars drive like. ;-) No sorry, that's too harsh. I have always enjoyed the Codemasters games, my only beef being they sometimes lacked challenge. Except for that 3-wheeled bike engined thingy in TOCA2... I can't for the life of me win that series. > > <snip> > What kind of argument is that? That gives you the right to > go around enforcing your own views by means of flaming > people does it? What makes your view the correct view here? > What makes my friend a "troll" here? Eh? Because Mark says so, alright? <g> I reserve the right to disagree with whoever I like and use equal or greater "firepower" in the argument. If that makes me the RAS police in your eyes so be it. I don't have the time nor the energy for the carefully weighed argument anymore. > From there on your post just degenerates into childish name > calling. Not worth continuuing. Missing the point completely there... IMO, both statements are equally unsupportable, it's just the second one isn't shared by as many people (as it's more clearly rediculous). Inversion to show the original argument was bogus as well, standard debating technique. Might have been too harsh on you considering it was only your second post I'm aware of, but resistance must be nipped at the bud <sp?>, you understand. ;-)) Jan. =---

Call it a weakness... ;-) Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote... > <snip> > Jan, you certainly have a way with words, and I allways enjoy reading > your well though-out posts. But why waste your energy on these > nitwits? > > Andre

> A "Marriage is shit.... and here's why" thread anyone? Marriage <g> is shit because you end up MARRIED. Why flame the guy when he's getting MARRIED. Job done, let's go home -- -Ace- (GPLRank -4.76)

On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:13:27 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >This argument has been done to death on this forum, but since you two see >fit to walse in here and stir it up again, I'm more than happy get onto the >breach again. > >Damian Wilson wrote... Jan, you certainly have a way with words, and I allways enjoy reading your well though-out posts. But why waste your energy on these nitwits? Andre

Well, a marriage certainly takes up a lot of your time! MS "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2c7B5.17817$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (13 lines)

> > DarDANe][ wrote > > > > Going to the F&C run... Im gettin married tomorrow....so wont be there ! > > > > A "Marriage is shit.... and here's why" thread anyone? > > :-) > > Tony > >

Damian Wilson wrote:

Quoted text (12 lines)

> > I wondered why a.c.l. was getting quiet........What the chuff are you doing > winding these 12 yr olds up? > > I agree with you by the way, as do (I think) all of the people in the games > industry I've ever known or talked to about it. Trouble is r.a.s. is full of > gaming fascists who refuse to tolerate anyone questioning their faith. I > wonder > how many of them have actually ever driven anything remotely fast? I > wonder how many can actually drive? As we both know, we can drive, > we do so very quickly and we both think GP3 is more fun than GPL. > 'Nuff said.

..and in another NG he wrote.... > I don't think GP3 has a "proper" physics engine unlike GPL where you know full well every spin is your own silly fault. Occasionally GP3 spins and you're left wondering what you did to make the car do that. I could well be talking out of my arse here - I couldn't program a physics engine to save myself.--- > GPL does seem to have much better "feel" than most racing games - it fights mid corner as you play with the throttle, pulls under braking (if, like me, your useless and don't brake in a straight line). It's just bloody brilliant, buy one now!--- > Yeah, but they're all spotty 15 year old kids who can't even drive (talking about r.a.s'ers). At the end of the day GPL was a catastrophic sales failure. Why? Because for your average games player its just too bloody difficult > (particularly pre-FF support).--- > ..... it'll be the first and last game to have such a realistic physics engine. No games developer is going to waste time on a game that no one can play.--- Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This argument has been done to death on this forum, but since you two see > fit to walse in here and stir it up again, I'm more than happy get ontothe > breach again. > Jolly good. > FYI, the average simracer is 35 years old. Hardly a juvenile. Like your > friend you hint at immature people "pretending" to be racing drivers. Ifind > that very insulting. I find that difficult to believe. Where does this statistic come from? > > I hold simracing to be as good a hobby as any and therefore I expect to be > spared ridicule on the designated forum for this hobby. > > Do you two go around to Star Trek conventions holding up signs saying"It's > just a TV show" ?? It *is* just a TV show. Didn't you know? > Names. Let's see who you know "in the games industry". I used to work for Codemasters. I know plenty. > > Trouble is r.a.s. is full of gaming fascists who refuse > > to tolerate anyone questioning their faith. > > Well, excuse us, this is rec.autos.simulators. I do not spot the word > "arcade racing game" in there, do you? What kind of argument is that? That gives you the right to go around enforcing your own views by means of flaming people does it? What makes your view the correct view here? What makes my friend a "troll" here? Eh? From there on your post just degenerates into childish name calling. Not worth continuuing. Damian.

Congrats. Now you'll have even less time to practice GPL!! Damian. "DarDANe][" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8r2g07$1tg$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (104 lines)

> In article <[email hidden]>, > "Damian Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > I wondered why a.c.l. was getting quiet........What the chuff are you > doing > > winding these 12 yr olds up? > > > At last.... ! The Cognoscenti speaks.... > Damian, Ive been makin' a few enemies here (not by choice) but it aint > over yet... > > Apparently, I'm king of the Trolls > > Not many got the bit about the cheerleaders in the Indy pit lanes as > well...a sad day for F1 > > > > > > I agree with you by the way, as do (I think) all of the people in the > games > > industry I've ever known or talked to about it. > > pah !.. there you go... from the people who make the games.. they're > laughin at all the gaming Crusaders out there who reckon its soooo dam > real...hah > > > Trouble is r.a.s. is full of > > gaming fascists who refuse to tolerate anyone questioning their faith. > I > > wonder > > how many of them have actually ever driven anything remotely fast? > > > apparently, one of them has a Corvette...... you'd get more dynamic > ability from a Land Rover ! > > > > > I > > wonder how many can actually drive? As we both know, we can drive, > > we do so very quickly and we both think GP3 is more fun than GPL. > > 'Nuff said. > > Going to the F&C run... Im gettin married tomorrow....so wont be there ! > > > > > > Damian. > > > > DarDANe][ <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8qt6fc$48g$[email hidden]... > > > In the "GPL is shit post" I did say that GPL is the best sim which > it > > > quite clearly is in a pure physics way etc.. etc.. lets not wear the > > > topic out etc... I wouldn't dispute that (i never played a driving > game > > > that got even vaguely close) but I was making the point that the > game is > > > only any use if you have a lot of time put in especially in single > > > player mode as there is no difficulty level (which is a major > > > omission....however shit or amazing I am).I am also obviously at a > loss > > > as to how people find the time to put in (esp. when some spend a > fair > > > bit of time on this NG as well). If you dont have the time then the > > > occasional go at GPL is immensely frustrating.. is it not. Something > > > like GP3.. whilst highly inferior in more ways than just plain > physics, > > > can actually be a very useful and enjoyable game. > > > > > > Some of you posted some healthy comments and agreed with me and also > > > joined in for a bit of fun and went some way in explaining how they > > > manage to put in the time - thanx for that - (bmwisme, Graeme nash, > Ryan > > > Mitchley etc..). > > > > > > but some of you got defensive tried to make the funky replies, play > the > > > tough-guy and very ingeniously deduce that I must be shit !!! what > the > > > **** is all that about ? We still swapping conkers here or what.... > Ace, > > > Eric Cote etc... So what's your GPL times ??? If I'm shit then let > me > > > try match your laps then maybe that'll make you shit as > well......... > > > > > > -- > > > DarDANe][ > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > -- > DarDANe][ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

> > Names. Let's see who you know "in the games industry". > > I used to work for Codemasters. I know plenty. So you talked to the same people who have through-out the industry consistently failed to compete with Papyrus and they all slagged off GPL, now there's a surprise. What these 'industry people' know about writing simulators is demonstrated on a regular basis in their poor products. Even DarDANe][ admits the physics are way beyond any other game. Why do you and DarDANe][ feel the need to stop us all playing GPL? Why can't you just carry on playing the games you like and let everyone else play the games they like?

Goy Larsen wrote: > > Damian Wilson wrote: > ..and in another NG he wrote.... One of the identifying characteristics of trolls is their inability to confine their flame-baiting to any one newsgroup. I wish folks would stop feeding this one.

Damian Wilson wrote: > > I used to work for Codemasters. I know plenty. Whoa! Dude! I used to work for Los Alamos National Laboratory, but I never figured out how to build a nuclear weapon. If you "know plenty", I'm sure you'll use your vast knowledge to answer legitimate questions in this newsgroup ... or are you just here to troll, like your pal DildoNell? Oddly, your name only shows up once in this NG (before your tremendous "contribution" to the "GPL is "SHIT" troll, of course), back in June, when you were talking about the "Tyrell [sic] I drove a year ago." So, ex-Codemasters, F1 driver, Lotus expert -- you should have a lot more to contribute to this discussion group than just flamebait, I should think. DOn't be shy... BB

> Going to the F&C run... Im gettin married tomorrow....so wont be there ! Weddings eh...... Something old something new something borrowed and from me something blue F**K off then <G> MS

> > FYI, the average simracer is 35 years old. Hardly a juvenile. Like your > > friend you hint at immature people "pretending" to be racing drivers. I > find > > that very insulting. > > I find that difficult to believe. Where does this statistic come from? From within. The GPL community is a pretty close knit one with most of us having ties with most others. We are not stats, we are people who know each other. For instance, I happen to know that Jan is 30! > > > > > I hold simracing to be as good a hobby as any and therefore I expect tobe > > spared ridicule on the designated forum for this hobby. Do you two goaround to Star Trek conventions holding up signs saying "It's just a TV show" ?? > It *is* just a TV show. Didn't you know? Are we just pedantic or do you lack the savvy to see through an analogy? > > > Names. Let's see who you know "in the games industry". > > I used to work for Codemasters. I know plenty. In the design office or as a janitor? Hardly answering the question here in a specific manner are we!!

Quoted text (9 lines)

> > > > Trouble is r.a.s. is full of gaming fascists who refuse > > > to tolerate anyone questioning their faith. > > > > Well, excuse us, this is rec.autos.simulators. I do not spot the word > > "arcade racing game" in there, do you? > > What kind of argument is that? That gives you the right to go around > enforcing your own views by means of flaming people does it?

Read the charter newbie > What > makes your view the correct view here? What makes my friend a > "troll" here? Eh? Err. Newbie comes in and immediately upsets the balance with a provocative post with no real substance to back up his blubber? ! MS (age 36) >

On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:17:03 GMT, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: >So, ex-Codemasters, F1 driver, Lotus expert -- you should have a lot >more to contribute to this discussion group than just flamebait, I >should think. DOn't be shy... Barton, weren't you the one who just asked to stop feeding these morons? I found that a very good suggestion... Andre >BB

Goy Larsen wrote:

Quoted text (28 lines)

> > Damian Wilson wrote: > > > > I wondered why a.c.l. was getting quiet........What the chuff are you doing > > winding these 12 yr olds up? > > > > I agree with you by the way, as do (I think) all of the people in the games > > industry I've ever known or talked to about it. Trouble is r.a.s. is full of > > gaming fascists who refuse to tolerate anyone questioning their faith. I > > wonder > > how many of them have actually ever driven anything remotely fast? I > > wonder how many can actually drive? As we both know, we can drive, > > we do so very quickly and we both think GP3 is more fun than GPL. > > 'Nuff said. > > ..and in another NG he wrote.... > > > I don't think GP3 has a "proper" physics engine unlike GPL where you know full well every spin is your own silly fault. Occasionally GP3 spins and you're left wondering what you did to make the car do that. I could well be talking out of my arse here - I couldn't program a physics engine to save myself. > --- > > > GPL does seem to have much better "feel" than most racing games - it fights mid corner as you play with the throttle, pulls under braking (if, like me, your useless and don't brake in a straight line). It's just bloody brilliant, buy one now! > --- > > > Yeah, but they're all spotty 15 year old kids who can't even drive (talking about r.a.s'ers). At the end of the day GPL was a catastrophic sales failure. Why? Because for your average games player its just too bloody difficult > > (particularly pre-FF support). > --- > > > ..... it'll be the first and last game to have such a realistic physics engine. No games developer is going to waste time on a game that no one can play.

Goes to show how full of shit these Bozos are. -- Chuck Kandler Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

Damian Wilson wrote: > > FYI, the average simracer is 35 years old. Hardly a juvenile. Like your > > friend you hint at immature people "pretending" to be racing drivers. I > find > > that very insulting. > > I find that difficult to believe. Where does this statistic come from? Have a look around the Legends Online site. I believe we submitted birthdates as well when we signed up out there. 41 yrs old here. Anybody got the URL for him? It's on my *other* machine. <G> > > Names. Let's see who you know "in the games industry". > > I used to work for Codemasters. I know plenty. Puh-leeeeez!! Besides, he asked for *names*, not lamer companies. > > > > Trouble is r.a.s. is full of gaming fascists who refuse > > > to tolerate anyone questioning their faith. Or full of newbies that assert things they know nothing about. Go away. -- Chuck Kandler Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

"Mark.seery" wrote:

Quoted text (24 lines)

> > > It *is* just a TV show. Didn't you know? > > Are we just pedantic or do you lack the savvy to see through an analogy? > > > Names. Let's see who you know "in the games industry". > > > > I used to work for Codemasters. I know plenty. > > In the design office or as a janitor? Hardly answering the question here in > a specific manner are we!! > > > > Trouble is r.a.s. is full of gaming fascists who refuse > > > > to tolerate anyone questioning their faith. > > > > > > Well, excuse us, this is rec.autos.simulators. I do not spot the word > > > "arcade racing game" in there, do you? > > > > What kind of argument is that? That gives you the right to go around > > enforcing your own views by means of flaming people does it? > > Read the charter newbie

LOL! You tell him, Mark. I call that a "Virtual Bitch Slap". -- Chuck Kandler Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

Uncle Fester wrote: > > Have a look around the Legends Online site. I believe we submitted > birthdates as well when we signed up out there. 41 yrs old here. > Anybody got the URL for him? It's on my *other* machine. <G> Geeeez... guess I'll answer my own post. Turns out I'm talking about "Today's Legends", boy do I feel forgetful! The URL: http://home.c2i.net/zlark/racing/drivers.htm We did submit out month & year of birth as I'd remembered. I'm listed as ChuckK. :-) -- Chuck Kandler Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

Andre Warringa wrote:

Quoted text (10 lines)

> > On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:17:03 GMT, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >So, ex-Codemasters, F1 driver, Lotus expert -- you should have a lot > >more to contribute to this discussion group than just flamebait, I > >should think. DOn't be shy... > > Barton, weren't you the one who just asked to stop feeding these > morons? I found that a very good suggestion...

LOLOL, caught red handed BB :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

Barton Brown wrote:

Quoted text (10 lines)

> > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > Damian Wilson wrote: > > > ..and in another NG he wrote.... > > One of the identifying characteristics of trolls is their inability to > confine their flame-baiting to any one newsgroup. I wish folks would > stop feeding this one.

Oh but Bart, he works for an "internet startup" and makes enough money to own a Lotus Elise and buy himself seat time in a Tyrrel, surely he must know more about sim racing than us poor zit faced 15 year old r.a.s. regulars....... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

Andre Warringa wrote: > Barton, weren't you the one who just asked to stop feeding these > morons? I found that a very good suggestion... > You're right ... but it's like a cartoon I saw once in the New Yorker: A crocodile is laying on the psychiatrist's couch with a pained look on his face and saying "I gotta tellya, Doc -- you know those cute little parasite birds that land on my back and clean off all the bugs 'n' stuff? I've been chompin' those babies down like popcorn..."

Goy Larsen wrote: > > LOLOL, caught red handed BB :-) And so I go to the penalty box and I feel shame!

"Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote > And so I go to the penalty box and I feel shame Thou are forced to play thy SOS1937 for a week! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

ymenard wrote: > > "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote > > And so I go to the penalty box and I feel shame > > Thou are forced to play thy SOS1937 for a week! Actually, we don't enforce cruel an inhuman punishment here.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

Boy, what a great idea SoS1937 was...what a crime it wasn't done by a real company. Like those other schmucks who were gonna do a mid-60s TransAm sim and came up with Dukes of Halfass instead. With all the tracks that have been done for GPL, it's too bad somebody couldn't model some pre-war Mercs, Auto-Unions, Bugattis, and Alfas...

Blimey, what gave it away Brains? Damian PS. Quote from a certain BB: "I wish folks would stop feeding this one." In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (7 lines)

> Goy, old boy -- looks like somebody touched a nerve! > > BB > > Damian Wilson wrote: > > > > The messages this twat... NOW F**K OFF.....don't be so f**king

jealous you jumped up little cretin. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Andre Warringa wrote... > Oh who cares Jan, IT'S JUST A TV-SHOW! :) Hehehe... true, but I know that much. Then again... (see Ace's post). Jan. =---

Ace wrote... > <snip> > Isn't the plural of Borg still "Borg"? eg: "there are 15 Borg heading > this way" You're right, they're "one" aren't they?... well, that shows you how much I know Star Trek. <g> Jan. =---

<ROBOT VOICE> I love GPL. GPL is the best *racing-simulator-on-the-PC* ever. Resistance is futile. </ROBOT VOICE> Damian. In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (10 lines)

> Damian Wilson wrote... > > > > <snip> > > Jolly good. > > Nothing like a goo argument eh? > > > > <snip> > > > > I find that difficult to believe. Where does this statistic come

from?

Quoted text (15 lines)

> > Simracing Mag, I think... besides, look around you... VROC is all > 30-somethings. > > > > <snip> > > It *is* just a TV show. Didn't you know? > > To us, yes, not to them. It's about showing respect for people who are > "different". > > > > Names. Let's see who you know "in the games industry". > > > > I used to work for Codemasters. I know plenty. > > Ah Codemasters, the people who simulate what the average buyer thinks

the > cars drive like. ;-) > > No sorry, that's too harsh. I have always enjoyed the Codemastersgames, my > only beef being they sometimes lacked challenge. Except for that 3-wheeled > bike engined thingy in TOCA2... I can't for the life of me win thatseries.

Quoted text (10 lines)

> > > > <snip> > > What kind of argument is that? That gives you the right to > > go around enforcing your own views by means of flaming > > people does it? What makes your view the correct view here? > > What makes my friend a "troll" here? Eh? > > Because Mark says so, alright? <g> > > I reserve the right to disagree with whoever I like and use equal or

greater > "firepower" in the argument. If that makes me the RAS police in youreyes so

Quoted text (8 lines)

> be it. I don't have the time nor the energy for the carefully weighed > argument anymore. > > > From there on your post just degenerates into childish name > > calling. Not worth continuuing. > > Missing the point completely there... IMO, both statements are equally > unsupportable, it's just the second one isn't shared by as many

people (as > it's more clearly rediculous). Inversion to show the originalargument was > bogus as well, standard debating technique. Might have been too harshon you > considering it was only your second post I'm aware of, but resistancemust > be nipped at the bud <sp?>, you understand. ;-)) > > Jan. > =--- > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (10 lines)

> Damian Wilson wrote: > > > > I used to work for Codemasters. I know plenty. > > Whoa! Dude! I used to work for Los Alamos National Laboratory, but I > never figured out how to build a nuclear weapon. If you "know plenty", > I'm sure you'll use your vast knowledge to answer legitimate questions > in this newsgroup ... or are you just here to troll, like your pal > DildoNell? Oddly, your name only shows up once in this NG (before your > tremendous "contribution" to the "GPL is "SHIT" troll, of course),

back > in June, when you were talking about the "Tyrell [sic] I drove a yearago."

Quoted text (7 lines)

> > So, ex-Codemasters, F1 driver, Lotus expert -- you should have a lot > more to contribute to this discussion group than just flamebait, I > should think. DOn't be shy... > > BB >

Thanks for spotting the spelling mistake. Hadn't realised it was two R's. To work at "Codies" you have to know something about games. I'm sure that blah blah blah Laboratory covers a much wider range of subject matter, and not just how to build nuclear weapons. In all honesty, though, I didn't work there long and it was a mistake to mention them. As it happens I've only driven an F1 motor once. It's well worth doing though (do they do similar things with CART or IRL motors I wonder? That would be interesting....) but at a grand a time a tad on the expensive side. Driving it made me realise a few things, most importantly that PC simulators are pretty good but nothing can prepare you for the assault on the senses the real thing gives you. Putting my foot down (progressively I might add!) in third gear coming out of a chicane was just unbelievable. And I still have memories of my eyes popping out of my head going round the first (180 deg 1/3 mile constant radius) corner. If you've got the money, do it now. I'm not a Lotus expert. I only drive one. Damian Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Well yes, I do and it is (IMO)... <g> I can assure you I'm not a robot, but I'll agree to having been assimilated. Jan./Borgs don't have robot voices, BTW. =--- Damian Wilson wrote... > <ROBOT VOICE> > I love GPL. GPL is the best *racing-simulator-on-the-PC* > ever. Resistance is futile. > </ROBOT VOICE> > > Damian.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Well yes, I do and it is (IMO)... <g> > > I can assure you I'm not a robot, but I'll agree to having beenassimilated. > > Jan./Borgs don't have robot voices, BTW. Isn't the plural of Borg still "Borg"? eg: "there are 15 Borg heading this way" -Ace- (GPLRank -4.76) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

The messages this twat has pulled are from alt.cars.lotus where I was having a pleasant discussion with a fellow Elise driver. It wasn't flame. Now, I hate to continue this, but I never once said I didn't like GPL. I love it. I just think that GP3 is a better *game*. OK? Happy? GOOD. NOW F**K OFF. Damian. PS. don't be so f**king jealous you jumped up little cretin. In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (9 lines)

> Barton Brown wrote: > > > > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > > > Damian Wilson wrote: > > > > > ..and in another NG he wrote.... > > > > One of the identifying characteristics of trolls is their inability

to

Quoted text (11 lines)

> > confine their flame-baiting to any one newsgroup. I wish folks would > > stop feeding this one. > > Oh but Bart, he works for an "internet startup" and makes enough money > to own a Lotus Elise and buy himself seat time in a Tyrrel, surely he > must know more about sim racing than us poor zit faced 15 year old > r.a.s. regulars....... > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy >

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I've said more than once in this NG, if there is to be a GPL2 (we can hope can't we?) then it should be set in 1937 or there abouts. I'm totally in love with that period of Grand Prix Racing, and it is crying out for someone to do it justice in a decent (i.e. GPL quality) sim. Chris -- Citylab Durban www.citylab.com Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Boy, what a great idea SoS1937 was...what a crime it wasn't done by a > real company. Like those other schmucks who were gonna do a mid-60s > TransAm sim and came up with Dukes of Halfass instead. With all the > tracks that have been done for GPL, it's too bad somebody couldn't model > some pre-war Mercs, Auto-Unions, Bugattis, and Alfas...

On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 22:18:58 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (8 lines)

>ymenard wrote: >> >> "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote >> > And so I go to the penalty box and I feel shame >> >> Thou are forced to play thy SOS1937 for a week! > >Actually, we don't enforce cruel an inhuman punishment here....

I feel awful for those poor MotorSport subscribers who will be turned off to computer gaming forever. Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:20:38 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well yes, I do and it is (IMO)... <g> > >I can assure you I'm not a robot, but I'll agree to having been assimilated. > >Jan./Borgs don't have robot voices, BTW. Oh who cares Jan, IT'S JUST A TV-SHOW! :) Andre

Quoted text (10 lines)

>=--- >Damian Wilson wrote... >> <ROBOT VOICE> >> I love GPL. GPL is the best *racing-simulator-on-the-PC* >> ever. Resistance is futile. >> </ROBOT VOICE> >> >> Damian. > >

Goy, old boy -- looks like somebody touched a nerve! BB Damian Wilson wrote: > > The messages this twat... NOW F**K OFF.....don't be so f**king jealous you jumped up little cretin.

Damian Wilson wrote: > > Blimey, what gave it away Brains? If it was "brains", they obviously weren't *yours* -- nothing there to work with.

Damian Wilson wrote:

Quoted text (13 lines)

> > The messages this twat has pulled are from alt.cars.lotus where I was > having a pleasant discussion with a fellow Elise driver. It wasn't > flame. > > Now, I hate to continue this, but I never once said I didn't like GPL. > I love it. I just think that GP3 is a better *game*. OK? Happy? > > GOOD. NOW F**K OFF. > > Damian. > > PS. don't be so f**king jealous you jumped up little cretin.

Jealous ? Gee, you do think highly of yourself don't you..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

Barton Brown wrote: > > Goy, old boy -- looks like somebody touched a nerve! LOL, yeah, looks like it, gee, wonder if I'll manage to sleep at all tonight, me being so jealous and all.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

> Ace wrote... > > <snip> > > Isn't the plural of Borg still "Borg"? eg: "there are 15 Borg heading > > this way" > > You're right, they're "one" aren't they?... well, that shows you how muchI > know Star Trek. <g> > > Jan. > =---Took a break from GPL to play Voyager: Elite Force this week. couple of missions have you sneaking round a Borg cube. I've lost count of the amount of times I've been told "resistance is futile" When I go back to GPL, Surtees will say the same thing :-) -- -Ace- (GPLRank -4.76)

Damian Wilson <[email hidden]> wrote: > Blimey, what gave it away Brains? > > Damian > > PS. Quote from a certain BB: "I wish folks would stop feeding this one." It's a shame your parents didn't stop feeding you at age 1 -- -Ace- (GPLRank -4.76)

Why don't they make a game that does racing stone-age style - you know, like the Flintstones. I'm really tired of seeing all these new-fangled things called automobiles.