Re: GPL Laptime problem.

Morgan V. Wooten wrote: >Open up your GPL/tracks/nurburg/track.ini file and delete the four >lines that start with "checkpoint_x". If you cut those four corners >whether deliberately or accidentally your time won't be counted. Very >frustrating for newbies just trying to learn the thing. Be sure to >back up the file first before editing it. *Please* don't do this, and especially don't upload any laps done in this way to GPLRank - it ain't on. Yes, it's very hard to start with, but then what aspect of GPL isn't? It's vital you learn good habits from the start - and cutting the corners is definitely not a good habit. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.17) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

I've just started driving at the Ring and I'm finding half my laps not being counted by the timer. I don't just mean my out-laps, but the others too. I did five laps in a row and only one was counted. The rest were marked XXX. This also happened a couple of times to me at Mexico. Any ideas? Derek.

>I've just started driving at the Ring and I'm finding half my laps not being >counted by the timer. I don't just mean my out-laps, but the others too. I >did five laps in a row and only one was counted. The rest were marked XXX. >This also happened a couple of times to me at Mexico. >Any ideas? You probably went on a shortcut over the grass at some turn. The marshalls at Ring are very strict... :-) Arto

Open up your GPL/tracks/nurburg/track.ini file and delete the four lines that start with "checkpoint_x". If you cut those four corners whether deliberately or accidentally your time won't be counted. Very frustrating for newbies just trying to learn the thing. Be sure to back up the file first before editing it. ----------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +15.49 http://members.tripod.com/~morganv/ ----------------------------------- On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:43:06 +0800, "Derek" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I've just started driving at the Ring and I'm finding half my laps not being >counted by the timer. I don't just mean my out-laps, but the others too. I >did five laps in a row and only one was counted. The rest were marked XXX. >This also happened a couple of times to me at Mexico. > >Any ideas? > >Derek. >

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> I've just started driving at the Ring and I'm finding half my laps not being > counted by the timer. I don't just mean my out-laps, but the others too. I > did five laps in a row and only one was counted. The rest were marked XXX. > This also happened a couple of times to me at Mexico. > > Any ideas? > > Derek. >

Stay on the pavement. No cutting corners. MRSisson

>Open up your GPL/tracks/nurburg/track.ini file and delete the four >lines that start with "checkpoint_x". If you cut those four corners >whether deliberately or accidentally your time won't be counted. What a pity! Is it really so easy to fool the GPL? And you can do that with every track? Perhaps I should come back to trying to better my lousy times in the GPL Rank - after deleting all the "checkpoint_x"s? Arto PS I will definitely NOT edit them off!

Thanks for your help guys :) I just wanted to know what the problem was. With all the graphics mods I've been adding recently, I thought I might have stuffed something up. I've only done eight laps there and I haven't managed a clean lap yet, which is probably the reason for my disqualified times. I don't cut corners, but I've spun off at least once on every lap so far :o I left the Ring until last because I thought it would be difficult to learn and the experience I got from learning the other tracks would prepare me for it. Thankfully I was right but only in the way that learning to throw a frisbee would prepare you for an Olympic discus throwing competition :o Adding together my best times for all the other tracks gives me a handicap of +7.4 seconds, so I think my driving is ok, but learning this awesome track is going to be HARD! I'm spending most of the lap getting my Ferrari all crossed up over the hill-crests, wondering which way the next corner is going to turn. (a bit like Colin McRae if Nicky Grist went out for a coffee break in the middle of a rally :) Is there a good track map around that I could print out for navigation purposes? Thanks, Derek. "Morgan V. Wooten" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Wrong. Derek, do do this. There's nothing wrong with it. > > Dave, I'm not advocating cheating, I'm telling the dude that to avoid > the frustration of accidentally screwing up a corner and having that > lap not count because of it he should go ahead and do that (we're > talking about 9 to 11 minute newbie laps!). After he's gotten to the > point of being able to stay on the track constistantly then restore > the lines. > > > On 2 Oct 2000 23:42:06 GMT, [email hidden] (David > Buttery) wrote: > > >Morgan V. Wooten wrote: > > > >>Open up your GPL/tracks/nurburg/track.ini file and delete the four > >>lines that start with "checkpoint_x". If you cut those four corners > >>whether deliberately or accidentally your time won't be counted. Very > >>frustrating for newbies just trying to learn the thing. Be sure to > >>back up the file first before editing it. > > > >*Please* don't do this, and especially don't upload any laps done in this > >way to GPLRank - it ain't on. > > > >Yes, it's very hard to start with, but then what aspect of GPL isn't?

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> >vital you learn good habits from the start - and cutting the corners is > >definitely not a good habit. > > ----------------------------------- > Morgan Vincent Wooten > GPLRank: +15.49 > http://members.tripod.com/~morganv/ > -----------------------------------

Not so, I have done many laps where I Shift-R'd and those times were counted, the XXX's are deffinately caused by cutting corners. There are several corners which are quite easy to miss where you can go straight across the grass and end up (if your lucky enough) back on the track. Chris -- Citylab Durban www.citylab.com Randall Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If you go off of the track at any point and have to use "Shift-R" to restart the > car the lap time will not be counted and will be recorded by the "XXX" that you > encountered. > indyrjc > > Derek wrote: > > > I've just started driving at the Ring and I'm finding half my laps not being > > counted by the timer. I don't just mean my out-laps, but the others too. I > > did five laps in a row and only one was counted. The rest were marked XXX. > > This also happened a couple of times to me at Mexico. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Derek. >

Morgan V. Wooten wrote: >Wrong. Derek, do do this. There's nothing wrong with it. I never said it was cheating. I just think it encourages bad habits - like railriding. You can get around Monaco a lot more easily if you railride, but it's going to make things a lot harder for you later on, as you effectively have to learn the track again, as you do if you use driver aids. I accept that other people may have different points of view, that are equally valid - all I'm saying is that I think I personally would have taken a lot longer to get reasonable Ring times without it. I think Ringtrainer is the most useful device of all, as that hugely reduces the outlap time. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.17) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

You can tell the disqualification corners by looking for the red markers with a black X around the course. rms [email hidden]

If you go off of the track at any point and have to use "Shift-R" to restart the car the lap time will not be counted and will be recorded by the "XXX" that you encountered. indyrjc Derek wrote:

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> I've just started driving at the Ring and I'm finding half my laps not being > counted by the timer. I don't just mean my out-laps, but the others too. I > did five laps in a row and only one was counted. The rest were marked XXX. > This also happened a couple of times to me at Mexico. > > Any ideas? > > Derek.

Randall Cook wrote: >If you go off of the track at any point and have to use "Shift-R" to >restart the car the lap time will not be counted and will be recorded >by the "XXX" that you encountered. I do not think this is true! I have got laptimes also after "Shift-R"'s, but not after driving over "short cuts" on the grass... Arto

I've never seen these black X's anywhere. Where are they located? JB "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xv9C5.1001$[email hidden]...

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> You can tell the disqualification corners by looking for the red markers > with a black X around the course. > > rms > [email hidden] > > >

Wrong. Derek, do do this. There's nothing wrong with it. Dave, I'm not advocating cheating, I'm telling the dude that to avoid the frustration of accidentally screwing up a corner and having that lap not count because of it he should go ahead and do that (we're talking about 9 to 11 minute newbie laps!). After he's gotten to the point of being able to stay on the track constistantly then restore the lines. On 2 Oct 2000 23:42:06 GMT, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote:

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>Morgan V. Wooten wrote: > >>Open up your GPL/tracks/nurburg/track.ini file and delete the four >>lines that start with "checkpoint_x". If you cut those four corners >>whether deliberately or accidentally your time won't be counted. Very >>frustrating for newbies just trying to learn the thing. Be sure to >>back up the file first before editing it. > >*Please* don't do this, and especially don't upload any laps done in this >way to GPLRank - it ain't on. > >Yes, it's very hard to start with, but then what aspect of GPL isn't? It's >vital you learn good habits from the start - and cutting the corners is >definitely not a good habit.

----------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +15.49 http://members.tripod.com/~morganv/ -----------------------------------

> I've never seen these black X's anywhere. Where are they located? On the grass at the ring. I assume that's their purpose. rms [email hidden]

[email hidden] (Derek) wrote in <39d99d6b$0$[email hidden]>: > learning this awesome >track is going to be HARD! > >Derek. It isn't hard, it just takes more time, and putting in the laps is the only way Derek. It speeds the learning process if you can force yourself to slow down and focus on anticipating what's coming up, rather than trying to go fast and have all your attention used up trying to stay on the road. I usually use the F10 view for a dozen or so laps when learning a new track. Devote an hour or two to this and you'll be driving the Ring in your sleep. The penalty corners at the Ring are:Nordkehre II, Hatzenbach II, Hocheichen, and Adenauer Forst. Learn where they are and SLOW DOWN on the approach. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -5.09 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

"Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0GaC5.2668$[email hidden]... > I've never seen these black X's anywhere. Where are they located?There's one at that tight corner behind the hill at Adenauer Forst.

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> > JB > > "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xv9C5.1001$[email hidden]... > > You can tell the disqualification corners by looking for the red markers > > with a black X around the course. > > > > rms > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > >

"Derek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39d99d6b$0$[email hidden]... > Thanks for your help guys :) > > I just wanted to know what the problem was. With all the graphics modsI've > been adding recently, I thought I might have stuffed something up. > > I've only done eight laps there and I haven't managed a clean lap yet,which > is probably the reason for my disqualified times. I don't cut corners, but > I've spun off at least once on every lap so far :o > > I left the Ring until last because I thought it would be difficult tolearn > and the experience I got from learning the other tracks would prepare mefor

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> it. Thankfully I was right but only in the way that learning to throw a > frisbee would prepare you for an Olympic discus throwing competition :o > > Adding together my best times for all the other tracks gives me a handicap > of +7.4 seconds, so I think my driving is ok, but learning this awesome > track is going to be HARD! I'm spending most of the lap getting my Ferrari > all crossed up over the hill-crests, wondering which way the next corner

is > going to turn. (a bit like Colin McRae if Nicky Grist went out for acoffee

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> break in the middle of a rally :) > > Is there a good track map around that I could print out for navigation > purposes? > > > Thanks, > > Derek.

Try this for all about navigating at the Ring: http://lightsoutracing.simplenet.com/trackguides/index.html

Roger Squires <[email hidden]> wrote: > You can tell the disqualification corners by looking for the red markers > with a black X around the course. So THAT's what they are! I'd been wondering why they're putting traffic signs on a race track... :) +Cinquo

Force yourself to drive at touring pace for a few laps. Soon you'll start to recognize sections where there's no need to stay slow (like straights :-)) and you can speed up a bit in these places. A map is no substitute for time in the car. Until you done a whole bunch of laps, inevitebly, you'll struggle. Drive the circuit until you can't stand to look at it again. Then drive it some more. Remember, take it slow. I'd advise you not to any aids like Ringtrainer just yet, you need to drive the circuit as much as possible; until you know it as well as you know the other tracks. Hey, no-one said it was easy :-) -- -Ace- (GPLRank -4.76) Derek <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39d99d6b$0$[email hidden]... <snip>> > Is there a good track map around that I could print out for navigation > purposes? > > > Thanks, > > Derek. >

You're right. I guess some people would deliberately cut corners and not think twice about it. I never did it. Hell, the tracks are hard enough to drive on as it is, let alone the grass! I chunked those lines when I was learning 'cause I kept screwing up one corner. I didn't necessarily cut it, but rather would forget how sharp it was and spin off into the grass. Then I'd just get back onto the track and drive. The game considered it corner cutting and wouldn't show me my laptimes so I found the lines that were causing that and deleted them. I'd still recommend that Derek do that if he just can't get his cornering right, but obviously I wouldn't recommend screwing these corners deliberately. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote: > Morgan V. Wooten wrote: > > >Wrong. Derek, do do this. There's nothing wrong with it. > > I never said it was cheating. I just think it encourages bad habits -like > railriding. You can get around Monaco a lot more easily if yourailride, > but it's going to make things a lot harder for you later on, as you > effectively have to learn the track again, as you do if you usedriver > aids. > > I accept that other people may have different points of view, thatare > equally valid - all I'm saying is that I think I personally wouldhave > taken a lot longer to get reasonable Ring times without it. I think > Ringtrainer is the most useful device of all, as that hugely reducesthe > outlap time. > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.17) > The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,really" - > Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.