Re: !!!!!!!!GP3: RED FLAG!!!!!!!

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> > i got a black flag, but then i was cutting the corners quite > severly!!!!!!!!! > > i dont know about you, but gp3 is soooo much FUN!!!!!! especially > when you side swipe the other cars, and make them crash :o) >

The black flag thing is driving me crazy. Originally I thought it was a non-issue when people complained about another one of Crammond's decisions. But when you get just slightly out of shape braking for the second chicane at Monza and go off track, but don't gain a position, it is so bloody frustrating to putter along on low power and watch the other cars eat you up... I often resort to ridiculous swerving and blocking, and then the atmosphere goes out the window. Yes, I could drive more cleanly, but who doesn't overcook a corner in a race? Would it have been so difficult to change the black flag strategy during the race to look at whether an advantage was gained? Stephen

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> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:07:17 -0400, "--==Marco==--" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have a question about GP3, is it possible to get a red flag, I mean the > >light is there, but it never goes on, I havent seen a redflag in this game > >yet. When there are some big accidents the cpu marshells move the cars to > >the side, and you get a small caution, also if you pass under a caution do > >you get black flagged in the game???? > > > >thankyou > >Marco > > > > > > i got a black flag, but then i was cutting the corners quite > severly!!!!!!!!! > > i dont know about you, but gp3 is soooo much FUN!!!!!! especially > when you side swipe the other cars, and make them crash :o) > > - > brian

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Moon-Watcher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:31:29 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The black flag thing is driving me crazy. > > They've done a terrible job implementing the real F1 flag system into GP3.Flags either appear too often, or not often enough. You're > allowed almost total freedom to smack into any other car, in any otherposition, and sometimes you won't even receive a caution. > > The idea to reduce the power of the car for ten seconds, as a penalty forbad behaviour, rather than having to entire the pits adds an > arcade element to the sim, which I imagine they thought would be importantfor those of you who don't want 100% realism, but they should > have at least left the rest of us an option to activate a real stop-and-gopenalty system. Not to mention you won't get a stop-and-go in real life if you have the presence of mind to just rejoin the track after your off-track excursion behind the car you were following before the brain fade. If you got a stop-and-go penalty every time you over-cooked a chicane, then the pits at Hockenheim would have been very busy. Stephen

Good point. I'll look for this... Stephen Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > What GP3 seems to do is to have a speed limit on the cutting of corners. > If you cut a corner below a certain speed (slower than what would be the > normal time around the particualr corner), all is OK, otherwise a black > flag is out. > > Whenever you see you will not manage a corner, try to slow down as much > as you can and cross the grass at a slow pace. GP3 will penalize you not > for gaining positions on cutting corners but also on gaining time. Take > that into account and you should be fine. At least it works for me, at > the same corner you mention. > > -Gregor

I have a question about GP3, is it possible to get a red flag, I mean the light is there, but it never goes on, I havent seen a redflag in this game yet. When there are some big accidents the cpu marshells move the cars to the side, and you get a small caution, also if you pass under a caution do you get black flagged in the game???? thankyou Marco

On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:07:17 -0400, "--==Marco==--" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I have a question about GP3, is it possible to get a red flag, I mean the >light is there, but it never goes on, I havent seen a redflag in this game >yet. When there are some big accidents the cpu marshells move the cars to >the side, and you get a small caution, also if you pass under a caution do >you get black flagged in the game???? > >thankyou >Marco > >

i got a black flag, but then i was cutting the corners quite severly!!!!!!!!! i dont know about you, but gp3 is soooo much FUN!!!!!! especially when you side swipe the other cars, and make them crash :o) - brian

You really should try to get out of this habit (cutting corners and having fun) as it is depleting the world's supply of exclamation-points. (Either that or you should seek help from Punctuator's Anonymous). Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:07:17 -0400, "--==Marco==--" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > i got a black flag, but then i was cutting the corners quite > severly!!!!!!!!! > > i dont know about you, but gp3 is soooo much FUN!!!!!! especially > when you side swipe the other cars, and make them crash :o) >

lol "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39dd7378$[email hidden]...

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| You really should try to get out of this habit (cutting corners and having | fun) as it is depleting the world's supply of exclamation-points. | (Either that or you should seek help from Punctuator's Anonymous). | | Regards, | Bruce Kennewell, | Canberra, Australia. | ---------------------------

I don't know... Were red flags in GP2? hehe. -- [email hidden] "--==Marco==--" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VvaD5.2707$[email hidden]... > I have a question about GP3, is it possible to get a red flag, I mean the > light is there, but it never goes on, I havent seen a redflag in this game > yet. When there are some big accidents the cpu marshells move the cars to > the side, and you get a small caution, also if you pass under a caution do > you get black flagged in the game???? > > thankyou > Marco > >

"Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39dd7f50$[email hidden]... > atmosphere goes out the window. Yes, I could drive more cleanly, but who > doesn't overcook a corner in a race? Would it have been so difficult to Senna and Prost never really did. But they would crash your ass if you tried to pass "in the wrong spot" :-) -- [email hidden] > change the black flag strategy during the race to look at whether an > advantage was gained? > > Stephen > > > >

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:31:29 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The black flag thing is driving me crazy. They've done a terrible job implementing the real F1 flag system into GP3. Flags either appear too often, or not often enough. You're allowed almost total freedom to smack into any other car, in any other position, and sometimes you won't even receive a caution. The idea to reduce the power of the car for ten seconds, as a penalty for bad behaviour, rather than having to entire the pits adds an arcade element to the sim, which I imagine they thought would be important for those of you who don't want 100% realism, but they should have at least left the rest of us an option to activate a real stop-and-go penalty system. The flags are definitely something which they need to work on in upcoming patches.

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> > The black flag thing is driving me crazy. Originally I thought it was a > non-issue when people complained about another one of Crammond's decisions. > But when you get just slightly out of shape braking for the second chicane > at Monza and go off track, but don't gain a position, it is so bloody > frustrating to putter along on low power and watch the other cars eat you > up... I often resort to ridiculous swerving and blocking, and then the > atmosphere goes out the window. Yes, I could drive more cleanly, but who > doesn't overcook a corner in a race? Would it have been so difficult to > change the black flag strategy during the race to look at whether an > advantage was gained? > > Stephen

What GP3 seems to do is to have a speed limit on the cutting of corners. If you cut a corner below a certain speed (slower than what would be the normal time around the particualr corner), all is OK, otherwise a black flag is out. Whenever you see you will not manage a corner, try to slow down as much as you can and cross the grass at a slow pace. GP3 will penalize you not for gaining positions on cutting corners but also on gaining time. Take that into account and you should be fine. At least it works for me, at the same corner you mention. -Gregor

In rec.autos.simulators, Greg Cisko wrote: > I don't know... Were red flags in GP2? There are no red flags in either GP2 or GP3. -- Andrew Gillett http://argnet.fatal-design.com/ ICQ: See homepage UK videogame release dates at: http://www.release-dates.co.uk/

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:49:52 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Not to mention you won't get a stop-and-go in real life if you have the >presence of mind to just rejoin the track after your off-track excursion >behind the car you were following before the brain fade. If you got a >stop-and-go penalty every time you over-cooked a chicane, then the pits at >Hockenheim would have been very busy. Many drivers have been penalised for cutting corners. Just recently, at Monza, Shummy had one of his qualifying laps taken away when he cut across the first chicane. If the rules said that you were allowed to cut corners and get away with it, just so long as you didn't overtake the car in front in the process, we would see a lot more cars flooring it through chicanes.

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:18:47 +0100, Andrew R. Gillett <[email hidden]> wrote: >There are no red flags in either GP2 or GP3. Actually, page 18 of the GP3 manual disagrees. It says there are Yellow, Green, Red and Blue flags.

"Moon-Watcher" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Actually, page 18 of the GP3 manual disagrees. > It says there are Yellow, Green, Red and Blue flags. LOL a perfect example of "JLGP2". They wrote the same thing in the Gp2 manual. In fact they are both almost the same word for word. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Totally different rules between the race and qualifying. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Moon-Watcher <[email hidden]> wrote> > Many drivers have been penalised for cutting corners. Just recently, at Monza, Shummy had one of his qualifying laps taken away when he cut > across the first chicane. > > If the rules said that you were allowed to cut corners and get away with it, just so long as you didn't overtake the car in front in the > process, we would see a lot more cars flooring it through chicanes.

Oh Yea, Right, and Santa Claus does exist. Stefan Greg Cisko wrote:

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> > "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:39dd7f50$[email hidden]... > > atmosphere goes out the window. Yes, I could drive more cleanly, but who > > doesn't overcook a corner in a race? Would it have been so difficult to > > Senna and Prost never really did. But they would crash your ass if > you tried to pass "in the wrong spot" :-) > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > change the black flag strategy during the race to look at whether an > > advantage was gained? > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > >

Alot of that stuff was in the ORIGINAL GP1 manual in 91..... pez ymenard wrote in message ...

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>"Moon-Watcher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Actually, page 18 of the GP3 manual disagrees. >> It says there are Yellow, Green, Red and Blue flags. > >LOL a perfect example of "JLGP2". > >They wrote the same thing in the Gp2 manual. In fact they are both almost >the same word for word. > > > >-- >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >-- May the Downforce be with you... >-- http://www.WeRace.net >-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

Stephen Ferguson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39dd7f50$[email hidden]...

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> > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > i got a black flag, but then i was cutting the corners quite > > severly!!!!!!!!! > > > > i dont know about you, but gp3 is soooo much FUN!!!!!! especially > > when you side swipe the other cars, and make them crash :o) > > > > The black flag thing is driving me crazy. Originally I thought it was a > non-issue when people complained about another one of Crammond's

decisions.

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> But when you get just slightly out of shape braking for the second chicane > at Monza and go off track, but don't gain a position, it is so bloody > frustrating to putter along on low power and watch the other cars eat you > up... I often resort to ridiculous swerving and blocking, and then the > atmosphere goes out the window. Yes, I could drive more cleanly, but who > doesn't overcook a corner in a race? Would it have been so difficult to > change the black flag strategy during the race to look at whether an > advantage was gained? > > Stephen >

GP3 has no problem with you making mistakes, it has a problem though when you "make a mistake" and decide to take a grass route flat out. As in real life, back off the power, nudge your way back onto he track and your on your way, if you try to go through grass without loosing any time then you'll be penalised. And rightly so, if the best line as through the grass, everyone would do it.

I expect to have a Q-lap nullified if I cut corners. I don't expect to be penalized if I blow a corner in the race, but don't gain an advantage. Stephen Moon-Watcher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:49:52 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Not to mention you won't get a stop-and-go in real life if you have the > >presence of mind to just rejoin the track after your off-track excursion > >behind the car you were following before the brain fade. If you got a > >stop-and-go penalty every time you over-cooked a chicane, then the pitsat > >Hockenheim would have been very busy. > > Many drivers have been penalised for cutting corners. Just recently, atMonza, Shummy had one of his qualifying laps taken away when he cut > across the first chicane. > > If the rules said that you were allowed to cut corners and get away withit, just so long as you didn't overtake the car in front in the > process, we would see a lot more cars flooring it through chicanes.

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>Alot of that stuff was in the ORIGINAL GP1 manual in 91..... > >pez >ymenard wrote in message ... >>"Moon-Watcher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> Actually, page 18 of the GP3 manual disagrees. >>> It says there are Yellow, Green, Red and Blue flags. >> >>LOL a perfect example of "JLGP2". >> >>They wrote the same thing in the Gp2 manual. In fact they are both almost >>the same word for word.

Think of all the money thay saved on documentation... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <39dd7f50$[email hidden]>, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>The black flag thing is driving me crazy. Originally I thought it was a >non-issue when people complained about another one of Crammond's decisions. >But when you get just slightly out of shape braking for the second chicane >at Monza and go off track, but don't gain a position, it is so bloody >frustrating to putter along on low power and watch the other cars eat you >up... I often resort to ridiculous swerving and blocking, and then the >atmosphere goes out the window. Yes, I could drive more cleanly, but who >doesn't overcook a corner in a race? Would it have been so difficult to >change the black flag strategy during the race to look at whether an >advantage was gained? >

That's like sliding backwards through the pits(N3) because of a wreck, and getting a black flag for speeding... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.