Re: OT Japanese GP sp0iler

>>It's just a damned shame the race once again had to be decided by pitstops, >>but that's modern F1.... >Hehe, you sound like Ron Dennis. :) No, Ron would say "It's an unfortunate circumstance of the current situation in F1 that the competitive exercise in which we competed on the Sunday afternoon had it's ultimate conclusion once again facilitated and decided by the efforts of pitlane operatives, and not automobile cockpit-based employees" -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Groan... "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8rpjhf$pp7$[email hidden]... > It's just a damned shame the race once again had to be decided bypitstops,

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> but that's modern F1.... > > Hopefully tonights NASCAR race will be more exciting.... > > > >

Michael Schumacher world champion 2000! :o) Good result, imo. Rob

"Rob Swindells" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Michael Schumacher world champion 2000! :o) > > Good result, imo. > > Rob >Agreed Rob, a great tactical race run by the two best drivers and teams in the business. -- don

On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:49:53 +0200, "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's just a damned shame the race once again had to be decided by pitstops, >but that's modern F1.... Hehe, you sound like Ron Dennis. :) Jan Btw, I think the damp track made the difference, not the stops.

It's just a damned shame the race once again had to be decided by pitstops, but that's modern F1.... Hopefully tonights NASCAR race will be more exciting.... don hodgdon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8rpeld$ur2$[email hidden]...

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> > "Rob Swindells" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Michael Schumacher world champion 2000! :o) > > > > Good result, imo. > > > > Rob > > > Agreed Rob, a great tactical race run by the two best drivers and teams in > the business. > > -- > don > > >

Jan Loebzien <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:49:53 +0200, "Sjon Stigter" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >It's just a damned shame the race once again had to be decided bypitstops,

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> >but that's modern F1.... > > Hehe, you sound like Ron Dennis. :) > > > Jan > > Btw, I think the damp track made the difference, not the stops.

You think so? Hmmm, Well Mika took the equal thirds to pit on lap 22 and 38, MS went for lap 23 but then left it later again for his second, get an extra seconds fuel in just incase on stop 1. Looks like he was waiting for the rain to hit so he wouldn't be caught on dry's are thats when the rain was really threatening. I don't see how the rain really did much, the two where level on lap time the whole way through, MS had a slight advantage though a the very end as the track seemed to get a little slippy. All in all though, I don't think many people can complain about this title, he fought cleanly and well for it all season and deserved it. I'm usually the one to criticise Mika for his post-race display but I must admit, he put in an effort today, if was very disappointing for him but he congratulated Michael and got on with things.

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> > Jan Loebzien <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:49:53 +0200, "Sjon Stigter" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >It's just a damned shame the race once again had to be decided by > pitstops, > > >but that's modern F1.... > > > > Hehe, you sound like Ron Dennis. :) > >

Well, I think Mika beeing stuck behind de la Rosa on his outlap made the difference. Maybe not only de la Rosa but if you check the outlaps after the second stop you see Schumachers was 5 seconds faster. But then again what do I know ...

You weren't paying attention. The pitstops had nothing to do with the results of the race. It came down to fantastic driving in difficult conditions, on the part of the two best drivers in the world. Congratulations to Michael! After so much pressure, criticism, and last-minute heartbreaks, he finally came through in the end. And Mika was an extremely worthy opponent. A really exciting season, and a very competitive qualifying session and race to conclude it. What a blast. But then why am I arguing with a Nascar fan? :)

"Krakus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iM1E5.15229$[email hidden]... > You weren't paying attention. The pitstops had nothing to do with the > results of the race. It came down to fantastic driving in difficult > conditions, on the part of the two best drivers in the world. > Congratulations to Michael! After so much pressure, criticism, and > last-minute heartbreaks, he finally came through in the end. And Mika was > an extremely worthy opponent. I think this is the first race this season where Michael was able to real in Mika. The basic race form has been either MS or MH goes out and the other cruised to victory. On the few races late in the year, Mika almost always had the 'race' speed on Schumi(Spa, Indy) But at Suzuka, for the first time this year, MS was able to close on Mika during the race. Kinda of the opposite of the last few years when MS would run better in the race but often had trouble overcomming the Mclaren qualifying advantage. dave henrie

What caused Mikachu to lose so much time after the 2nd pitstop? MS got caught in some traffic and turned one of his slowest laps, then it started raining. Did Mikachu have an off, or hit some traffic?? And what was up with all those clowns parking their cars on the track?!?!? Congrats to MS, but to have 5 DNF's and still win the championship says the competition really sucks. Mika Mika! Colin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8rqgms$r02$[email hidden]...

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> Groan... > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8rpjhf$pp7$[email hidden]... > > It's just a damned shame the race once again had to be decided by > pitstops, > > but that's modern F1.... > > > > Hopefully tonights NASCAR race will be more exciting.... > > > > > > > > > > >

"Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8rpjhf$pp7$[email hidden]... > It's just a damned shame the race once again had to be decided by pitstops, > but that's modern F1.... > > Hopefully tonights NASCAR race will be more exciting.... Well...was seeing 46 lead changes amongst more than a dozen drivers ( and *not* mostly when cycling around during green flag pit stops!) what you needed to qualify as exciting? ;-> Fantastic final stop tactical battle re. the tire change choices, as well! That said, I also appreciate F1 competition for what it is...unleashed technological battles with unlimited budgets...neat to be able to enjoy it all! -- Tom...North of Dallas AP - 1980-2000

oooooohh!!! LIKE IT! --DK "Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > No, Ron would say "It's an unfortunate circumstance of the current > situation in F1 that the competitive exercise in which we competed on > the Sunday afternoon had it's ultimate conclusion once again facilitated > and decided by the efforts of pitlane operatives, and not automobile > cockpit-based employees" > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

Yes, but if you have a billion lead changes during each race, how much value is a change in the leader? ducking, running, DK "Thomas Duwe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I16E5.4157$ > > Well...was seeing 46 lead changes amongst more than a dozen drivers ( and > *not* mostly when cycling around during green flag pit stops!) what youneeded

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> to qualify as exciting? ;-> > > Fantastic final stop tactical battle re. the tire change choices, as well! > > That said, I also appreciate F1 competition for what it is...unleashed > technological battles with unlimited budgets...neat to be able to enjoy it > all! > > -- > Tom...North of Dallas > AP - 1980-2000 >

Could still be a protest --

I wouldn't say pitstops had *nothing* to do with it. Michael's pit stop was later, and therefore shorter. "Krakus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iM1E5.15229$[email hidden]... > You weren't paying attention. The pitstops had nothing to do with the > results of the race. It came down to fantastic driving in difficult > conditions, on the part of the two best drivers in the world.

rik anthrax wrote: > Congrats to MS, but to have 5 DNF's and still win the championship says the > competition really sucks. Actually, only 4 DNFs (Monaco, France, Austria, Germany). Another way to look at it would be - prior to the Japanese GP - to have 7 race wins and 3 other podium finishes, and still not have the championship clinched says the competition is really stiff. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

Wow, good point Dave! I guess the glass is half full! :) David Ewing <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > rik anthrax wrote: > > > Congrats to MS, but to have 5 DNF's and still win the championship saysthe > > competition really sucks. > > Actually, only 4 DNFs (Monaco, France, Austria, Germany). Another way tolook > at it would be - prior to the Japanese GP - to have 7 race wins and 3other

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> podium finishes, and still not have the championship clinched says the > competition is really stiff. > > Dave Ewing > > > -- > ***************************************************** > David A. Ewing > Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] > ***************************************************** > > >

David Ewing <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > rik anthrax wrote: > > > Congrats to MS, but to have 5 DNF's and still win the championship saysthe > > competition really sucks. > > Actually, only 4 DNFs (Monaco, France, Austria, Germany). Another way tolook > at it would be - prior to the Japanese GP - to have 7 race wins and 3other > podium finishes, and still not have the championship clinched says the > competition is really stiff. > Exactly. What is astounding is not the 4 DNFs, but what Schumacher (and Hakinnen) manage to do when they do bring the car home. Yes, I'd much prefer to have the good ol' days of Mansell sitting in a jet-fighter on wheels and clinching the title at Hungary. Yawn. (Not to say that Mansell driving the '92 Williams wasn't exciting, but as champioship seasons go, it was a bore). Stephen