Re: LPG: Rouen as it was meant to be!

Andre, being the stickler for perfection that I am, I simply use exactly the same setup! Against the AI it works fine, mainly because I (a) use a symetrical arrangement...all "four corners" are identical (toe in) and (b) I attempt to run historic suspension heights, soft suspension settings and mid-range gearbox/transaxle setups. [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:29 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > To the programmers amongst you all, will it be possible to make a > utility which reversed all the current setups for the reversed tracks? > This would save me -lots- of work... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:29 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> >This circuit is brilliant when run in reverse. I have now dropped Rouen les >Essarts from the calendar and, in its place, have brought in Strasse sel >Neuor...which sounds vaguely Germanic with a French connection! Thanks Bruce for the tip, I'll try Neuor tonight. Yesterday I tried Gnir. Allthough I'm quite slow at the Ring, I can remember all corners of the Ring quite well. But this hardly helps at the Gnir, you've really got to learn all corners all over again! Big fun though. To the programmers amongst you all, will it be possible to make a utility which reversed all the current setups for the reversed tracks? This would save me -lots- of work... Andre

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > To the programmers amongst you all, will it be possible to make a > utility which reversed all the current setups for the reversed tracks? > This would save me -lots- of work... But it's quite irellevant in this situation Andre :) You don't get a completely "reversed" lap in GPL with the utility. Such thing mentionned above would be good if you simple had a reversed track where a corner going right now goes left but you still go the normal way. With a reversed track in direction, the top speed can be completely different as the corner which leads to that straight is different (most of the time a slow corner). Just think of Troovdnaz. Your top speed will be different since you are starting from Nazrat going down the stretch and into a medium speed corner, and you clearly need a different setup to acclimate to the different style of corners, not just a reversed setup. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:53:27 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >With a reversed track in direction, the top speed can be completely >different as the corner which leads to that straight is different (most of >the time a slow corner). Just think of Troovdnaz. Your top speed will be >different since you are starting from Nazrat going down the stretch and into >a medium speed corner, and you clearly need a different setup to acclimate >to the different style of corners, not just a reversed setup. <snip> You're right ofcourse... unfortunately :) Well, I'm off, I've got a lot of new setups to make.. Andre

Once-upon-a-time the powers that be of the body that controlled the Rouen circuit contemplated running the race in an anti-clockwise direction.....or so some accounts would have us believe. Now, with the advent of 'GPL Reverse', it is possible to see what a wonderful idea that was and to question why they never adopted it. This circuit is brilliant when run in reverse. I have now dropped Rouen les Essarts from the calendar and, in its place, have brought in Strasse sel Neuor...which sounds vaguely Germanic with a French connection! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. ---------------------------

I would like to try "historically correct" setups. How about sharing yours? Jari Jokinen [email hidden] wrote in message <8s2j92$toe$[email hidden]>... >Andre, being the stickler for perfection that I am, I simply use >exactly the same setup! >Against the AI it works fine, mainly because I (a) use a symetrical >arrangement...all "four corners" are identical (toe in) and (b) I >attempt to run historic suspension heights, soft suspension settings >and mid-range gearbox/transaxle setups.

Nothing to share, really, Jari. Simply crank up the ground-clearance to 4 or more inches, use a nice mid-range differential and clutch arrangement....these cars weren't the monsters that a lot of people like to think they were....and "low number" suspension settings. Fiddle around until you feel comfortable and that's it! Won't necessarily be the fastest but against the AI it's a good challenge. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Jari Jokinen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8s7nnm$g68$[email hidden]... > I would like to try "historically correct" setups. How about sharing yours? > > Jari Jokinen > > [email hidden] wrote in message <8s2j92$toe$[email hidden]>... > >Andre, being the stickler for perfection that I am, I simply use > >exactly the same setup! > >Against the AI it works fine, mainly because I (a) use a symetrical > >arrangement...all "four corners" are identical (toe in) and (b) I > >attempt to run historic suspension heights, soft suspension settings > >and mid-range gearbox/transaxle setups. > > >

Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> > Nothing to share, really, Jari. Simply crank up the ground-clearance to 4 > or more inches, use a nice mid-range differential and clutch > arrangement....these cars weren't the monsters that a lot of people like to > think they were....and "low number" suspension settings. Fiddle around > until you feel comfortable and that's it! Won't necessarily be the fastest > but against the AI it's a good challenge.

There was a nice interview with Jim Clark's mechanic from the 67 season in an issue of "Thoroughbred & Classic Cars" a couple of months ago, and he talked about how much setup work that was done to Clark's car that season 2 changes were made according to him, and in neither case did Clark like the changes so they had to revert back to the original suspension settings, basically, Clark used the same settings for each race.....and also, he used a very soft setup that noone else could drive, interesting piece really Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

OK. I'll give it a try. Bruce Kennewell wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>Nothing to share, really, Jari. Simply crank up the ground-clearance to 4 >or more inches, use a nice mid-range differential and clutch >arrangement....these cars weren't the monsters that a lot of people like to >think they were....and "low number" suspension settings. Fiddle around >until you feel comfortable and that's it! Won't necessarily be the fastest >but against the AI it's a good challenge. > >-- >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. >--------------------------- > >Jari Jokinen <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8s7nnm$g68$[email hidden]... >> I would like to try "historically correct" setups. How about sharing >yours? >> >> Jari Jokinen >> >> [email hidden] wrote in message <8s2j92$toe$[email hidden]>... >> >Andre, being the stickler for perfection that I am, I simply use >> >exactly the same setup! >> >Against the AI it works fine, mainly because I (a) use a symetrical >> >arrangement...all "four corners" are identical (toe in) and (b) I >> >attempt to run historic suspension heights, soft suspension settings >> >and mid-range gearbox/transaxle setups. >> >> >> > >

Yes, that is an interesting article, Goy. This thing with setups (of the genuine articles....NOT the GPL-versions!) was reinforced by a conversation a friend of mine had at an Historic meeting last year. He was talking to the owner of the BT23(T)...the 2.5 litre Tasman car. The owner/driver said thgat it was a delight to drive, was not a "beast" and, once setup for the Eastern Creek circuit, that was the setup used at all the other meetings. The only thing changed was the gearbox ratios.....if they thought it necessary. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > > There was a nice interview with Jim Clark's mechanic from the 67 season > in an issue of "Thoroughbred & Classic Cars" a couple of months ago, and > he talked about how much setup work that was done to Clark's car that > season > > 2 changes were made according to him, and in neither case did Clark like > the changes so they had to revert back to the original suspension > settings, basically, Clark used the same settings for each race.....and > also, he used a very soft setup that noone else could drive, interesting > piece really

Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> > Yes, that is an interesting article, Goy. > > This thing with setups (of the genuine articles....NOT the GPL-versions!) > was reinforced by a conversation a friend of mine had at an Historic meeting > last year. He was talking to the owner of the BT23(T)...the 2.5 litre > Tasman car. The owner/driver said thgat it was a delight to drive, was not > a "beast" and, once setup for the Eastern Creek circuit, that was the setup > used at all the other meetings. The only thing changed was the gearbox > ratios.....if they thought it necessary.

Interesting ..... And as for the cars in GPL, I don't find them too hard to drive with my own setups, I run fairly soft setups and drive at 90% or something when I'm just out for a joy ride and don't have to work that hard to keep it on the track, I did however dl Greger Huttu's WR setup for the BRM.....let's just say that it was a beast :-), how he manages to even keep the car on the track is beyond me really :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

I think that the situation (I won't call it a "problem" because I don't believe that it is, strictly, a 'problem') with the GPL physics is that the difficulty of driving the cars is way too high in comparison with the realism of everything else offered in the sim. In my very humble opinion, the handling characterstics could be far more "gentle" yet the complete sensation would not be lessened. However, I can spend a couple of weeks away from GPL, come back to it and within ten minutes I'm opposite-locking my way around Silverstone with the best of them!! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Interesting ..... > > And as for the cars in GPL, I don't find them too hard to drive with my > own setups, I run fairly soft setups and drive at 90% or something when > I'm just out for a joy ride and don't have to work that hard to keep it > on the track, I did however dl Greger Huttu's WR setup for the > BRM.....let's just say that it was a beast :-), how he manages to even > keep the car on the track is beyond me really :-) > > > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > http://www.teammirage.com > > "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting > are the only true sports...all others are games." > --Ernest Hemingway--