Pics from Ubi Soft's F1 Racing Championship

The Computer and Video Games Web site has posted 50 new PS2 screen shots of Ubi Soft's F1 Racing Championship -- I was impressed early on, then I realized there were a lot of shots showing arcade-type speed and RPM displays from a chase view perspective, but no proper in-cockpit shots. Screen shot number 30 took care of that, sort of, much to my disappointment (it's sort of a "rollbar cam" view, if not a proper in- car shot). There was one other in-cockpit shot which was equally disappointing. Go to the Operation Sports site for the link to the article and pictures: http://www.operationsports.com/reviewvault/news.asp?newsid=6872 At this point, judging by the lack of proper in-cockpit views, it looks like F1RC may turn out to be an eye-candy fest that falls short in the simulation category. Time will tell on the PC version, but at this point, I'm not getting my hopes up. -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

<[email hidden]> wrote > http://www.operationsports.com/reviewvault/news.asp?newsid=6872 > > At this point, judging by the lack of proper in-cockpit views, it looks > like F1RC may turn out to be an eye-candy fest that falls short in the > simulation category. Time will tell on the PC version, but at this > point, I'm not getting my hopes up. The PC version is a little different, but not much. Please note 1) the jaggies that will ultimely doom the PS2, 2) the low texture resolution but complex polygon count and 3) that the game engine is still mostly the same. It's not a complete rebuild, just an evolution. Also the game engine will promote a much more grainy picture quality compared to the previous versions, which isn't a bad thing necessarily. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote >>> What does a lack of cockpit views in current screenshots have to do with >>> anything? >> >> >>Lack of marketing intelligence. They annoy the market that wants the most >>realism possible in their racing games. If that department doesn't care at >>all about the "hardcore" simracers, then there is an increased possibility >>that the developers act the same way. Rarely for the sake of $$ and >>revenues you will see divergence in philosophy between the marketing and >>development teams. >> > >ymenard, > >Marketing intelligence means that they _are_ clever enoough to realise that >the "hardcore" market is tiny, and hence insignficant :( > >Z.

However, taking a look at the article in question i'm not particularly worried. These are *console* screenshots. Given the difference between the PC, PSX & DC version of MGPRS, i'm not really concerned that there is any evidence a pc version will be arcade only. Z. Please remove my_pants when replying.

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>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote >> What does a lack of cockpit views in current screenshots have to do with >> anything? > > >Lack of marketing intelligence. They annoy the market that wants the most >realism possible in their racing games. If that department doesn't care at >all about the "hardcore" simracers, then there is an increased possibility >that the developers act the same way. Rarely for the sake of $$ and >revenues you will see divergence in philosophy between the marketing and >development teams. >

ymenard, Marketing intelligence means that they _are_ clever enoough to realise that the "hardcore" market is tiny, and hence insignficant :( Z. Please remove my_pants when replying.

What does a lack of cockpit views in current screenshots have to do with anything? David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8s2fd4$q1f$[email hidden]...

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> The Computer and Video Games Web site has posted 50 new PS2 screen > shots of Ubi Soft's F1 Racing Championship -- I was impressed early on, > then I realized there were a lot of shots showing arcade-type speed and > RPM displays from a chase view perspective, but no proper in-cockpit > shots. Screen shot number 30 took care of that, sort of, much to my > disappointment (it's sort of a "rollbar cam" view, if not a proper in- > car shot). There was one other in-cockpit shot which was equally > disappointing. > > Go to the Operation Sports site for the link to the article and > pictures: > > http://www.operationsports.com/reviewvault/news.asp?newsid=6872 > > At this point, judging by the lack of proper in-cockpit views, it looks > like F1RC may turn out to be an eye-candy fest that falls short in the > simulation category. Time will tell on the PC version, but at this > point, I'm not getting my hopes up. > > -- JB > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Did you even bother to LOOK at the screen shots, and the two, uh, pathetic excuses for "cockpit" views that are shown in the screen shots, or are you just being a jerk? Or, in the Beavis and Butthead venacular: "No cockpit view means it sucks, butthole." -- JB In article <Xf7F5.36853$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: > What does a lack of cockpit views in current screenshots have to dowith > anything? > > David G Fisher > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8s2fd4$q1f$[email hidden]... > > The Computer and Video Games Web site has posted 50 new PS2 screen > > shots of Ubi Soft's F1 Racing Championship -- I was impressed earlyon, > > then I realized there were a lot of shots showing arcade-type speedand > > RPM displays from a chase view perspective, but no proper in-cockpit > > shots. Screen shot number 30 took care of that, sort of, much tomy > > disappointment (it's sort of a "rollbar cam" view, if not a properin-

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> > car shot). There was one other in-cockpit shot which was equally > > disappointing. > > > > Go to the Operation Sports site for the link to the article and > > pictures: > > > > http://www.operationsports.com/reviewvault/news.asp?newsid=6872 > > > > At this point, judging by the lack of proper in-cockpit views, it

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> > simulation category. Time will tell on the PC version, but at this > > point, I'm not getting my hopes up. > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > What does a lack of cockpit views in current screenshots have to do with > anything? Lack of marketing intelligence. They annoy the market that wants the most realism possible in their racing games. If that department doesn't care at all about the "hardcore" simracers, then there is an increased possibility that the developers act the same way. Rarely for the sake of $$ and revenues you will see divergence in philosophy between the marketing and development teams. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

It is a BIG BIG warning. If you build a sim from the console first, you get poor support for input devices(wheels), you get crummy menu's, you get a tail gunner view or nose cam view that just doesn't give the feeling that you are IN THE FEEKIN' CAR. Plus it means they most likely are NOT modeling movement in the cockpit so another layer of imersion is lost...dang dang dang.. Is this the new version Yves was talking about last spring? dang dang dang! dave henrie "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Xf7F5.36853$[email hidden]...

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> What does a lack of cockpit views in current screenshots have to do with > anything? > > David G Fisher > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8s2fd4$q1f$[email hidden]... > > The Computer and Video Games Web site has posted 50 new PS2 screen > > shots of Ubi Soft's F1 Racing Championship -- I was impressed early on, > > then I realized there were a lot of shots showing arcade-type speed and > > RPM displays from a chase view perspective, but no proper in-cockpit > > shots. Screen shot number 30 took care of that, sort of, much to my > > disappointment (it's sort of a "rollbar cam" view, if not a proper in- > > car shot). There was one other in-cockpit shot which was equally > > disappointing. > > > > Go to the Operation Sports site for the link to the article and > > pictures: > > > > http://www.operationsports.com/reviewvault/news.asp?newsid=6872 > > > > At this point, judging by the lack of proper in-cockpit views, it looks > > like F1RC may turn out to be an eye-candy fest that falls short in the > > simulation category. Time will tell on the PC version, but at this > > point, I'm not getting my hopes up. > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Xf7F5.36853$[email hidden]... > What does a lack of cockpit views in current screenshots have to do with > anything? Because it could lead to a lack of cockpit views in the game. Duh. :-) -- [email hidden]

Hey kids, it seems r.a.s. in once again is jumping to huge conclusions based on nothing. Console screenshots. No dasboards. Big deal. F1RS and MRPRS2 had nice dashboards. This game seems to go into great detail in a lot of areas. I doubt they would decide to leave this feature out. I'll bet all my F1 sims that F1RC has dashboards. David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8s33g3$bfk$[email hidden]...

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> Did you even bother to LOOK at the screen shots, and the two, uh, > pathetic excuses for "cockpit" views that are shown in the screen > shots, or are you just being a jerk? Or, in the Beavis and Butthead > venacular: "No cockpit view means it sucks, butthole." > > -- JB > > In article <Xf7F5.36853$[email hidden]>, > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > What does a lack of cockpit views in current screenshots have to do > with > > anything? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8s2fd4 > $q1f$[email hidden]... > > > The Computer and Video Games Web site has posted 50 new PS2 screen > > > shots of Ubi Soft's F1 Racing Championship -- I was impressed early > on, > > > then I realized there were a lot of shots showing arcade-type speed > and > > > RPM displays from a chase view perspective, but no proper in-cockpit > > > shots. Screen shot number 30 took care of that, sort of, much to > my > > > disappointment (it's sort of a "rollbar cam" view, if not a proper > in- > > > car shot). There was one other in-cockpit shot which was equally > > > disappointing. > > > > > > Go to the Operation Sports site for the link to the article and > > > pictures: > > > > > > http://www.operationsports.com/reviewvault/news.asp?newsid=6872 > > > > > > At this point, judging by the lack of proper in-cockpit views, it > looks > > > like F1RC may turn out to be an eye-candy fest that falls short in > the > > > simulation category. Time will tell on the PC version, but at this > > > point, I'm not getting my hopes up. > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Wow. You are really drawing some strong conclusions based on some console screenshots. Reminds me of the time a certain someone was sure that RC only had 45 degree turns based on some early screenshots. :-P David G Fisher "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wj8F5.320005$[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > What does a lack of cockpit views in current screenshots have to do with > > anything? > > > Lack of marketing intelligence. They annoy the market that wants the most > realism possible in their racing games. If that department doesn't care

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> all about the "hardcore" simracers, then there is an increased possibility > that the developers act the same way. Rarely for the sake of $$ and > revenues you will see divergence in philosophy between the marketing and > development teams. > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > Console screenshots. No dasboards. Big deal. > > F1RS and MRPRS2 had nice dashboards. But what the heck do you know about the development of F1RC? Look at my first reply to the post, there is great hints on how the PC version will different from the one you saw in the screenshot. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

>> "No cockpit view means it sucks, butthole." > Hey kids, it seems r.a.s. in once again is jumping to huge conclusionsbased > on nothing. > > Console screenshots. No dasboards. Big deal. > > F1RS and MRPRS2 had nice dashboards. This game seems to go into greatdetail > in a lot of areas. I doubt they would decide to leave this feature out.I'll > bet all my F1 sims that F1RC has dashboards. > > David G Fisher Very well restrained, David ALL your F1 sims - you mean there is more than one? ;-) Tony

Not attacking you but I thought that was a know fact. If the game originates from a console, the PC port will be a piece of crap. I haven't seen any exceptions to that rule yet. Michael "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qieF5.41$[email hidden]... > It is a BIG BIG warning. If you build a sim from the console first, you > get poor support for input devices(wheels), you get crummy menu's, you geta > tail gunner view or nose cam view that just doesn't give the feeling that > you are IN THE FEEKIN' CAR. Plus it means they most likely are NOTmodeling > movement in the cockpit so another layer of imersion is lost...dang dang > dang.. > Is this the new version Yves was talking about last spring? dang dangdang!

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> dave henrie > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Xf7F5.36853$[email hidden]... > > What does a lack of cockpit views in current screenshots have to do with > > anything? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:8s2fd4$q1f$[email hidden]... > > > The Computer and Video Games Web site has posted 50 new PS2 screen > > > shots of Ubi Soft's F1 Racing Championship -- I was impressed earlyon, > > > then I realized there were a lot of shots showing arcade-type speedand

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> > > RPM displays from a chase view perspective, but no proper in-cockpit > > > shots. Screen shot number 30 took care of that, sort of, much to my > > > disappointment (it's sort of a "rollbar cam" view, if not a proper in- > > > car shot). There was one other in-cockpit shot which was equally > > > disappointing. > > > > > > Go to the Operation Sports site for the link to the article and > > > pictures: > > > > > > http://www.operationsports.com/reviewvault/news.asp?newsid=6872 > > > > > > At this point, judging by the lack of proper in-cockpit views, it

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> > > like F1RC may turn out to be an eye-candy fest that falls short in the > > > simulation category. Time will tell on the PC version, but at this > > > point, I'm not getting my hopes up. > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > >

90 degrees actually. David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pHnF5.41204$[email hidden]... > Wow. You are really drawing some strong conclusions based on some console > screenshots. > > Reminds me of the time a certain someone was sure that RC only had 45degree

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> turns based on some early screenshots. :-P > > David G Fisher > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wj8F5.320005$[email hidden]... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > What does a lack of cockpit views in current screenshots have to do

with > > > anything? > > > > > > Lack of marketing intelligence. They annoy the market that wants themost > > realism possible in their racing games. If that department doesn't care > at > > all about the "hardcore" simracers, then there is an increasedpossibility

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> > that the developers act the same way. Rarely for the sake of $$ and > > revenues you will see divergence in philosophy between the marketing and > > development teams. > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > -- http://www.WeRace.net > > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't > realise > > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > > > > >

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> Not attacking you but I thought that was a know fact. > > If the game originates from a console, the PC port will be > a piece of crap. > > I haven't seen any exceptions to that rule yet. > > Michael

I agree with you 100%. I have yet to see a decent console port. Any sim, and I say this with ZERO programing knowledge, should be built from two main starting points...the tires and the cockpit. taking the aproach used by ISI to throw in a 2d dash late in the beta process of scgt just won't cut it anymore. dave henrie

Actually Colin McRae Rally isn't bad and that has a moving cockpit... Also, F1 Championship 2000 has been released on PS and the PC version is pretty good, unless they're seperate codes. Thanks, alex Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TlOF5.4509$[email hidden]...

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> > "Michael Veldman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%mxF5.37013$[email hidden]... > > Not attacking you but I thought that was a know fact. > > > > If the game originates from a console, the PC port will be > > a piece of crap. > > > > I haven't seen any exceptions to that rule yet. > > > > Michael > I agree with you 100%. I have yet to see a decent console port. > Any sim, and I say this with ZERO programing knowledge, should be built > from two main starting points...the tires and the cockpit. taking the > aproach used by ISI to throw in a 2d dash late in the beta process of scgt > just won't cut it anymore. > dave henrie > >