Amazing WSC movie with cockpit view

http://legends.sports-gaming.com/movies.shtml#wsc Check out the ECTS Show footage. It's quite amazing with a cool onboard shot. Hint to Papyrus : (RELEASE MOVIES! Nobody gives an arse about screenshots, we want to see cars in action.) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Frank *is* the voice of the people and just performing his duties. :-) Jan. =--- Bruce Kennewell wrote...

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> That's a pretty subtle hint, Frank. You're not in the > diplomatic corps, by any chance? > > Incidentally......"people" DO care about screen-shots. > Don't assume the responsibility of spokesman for the rest > of the human race. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > ---------------------------

That's a pretty subtle hint, Frank. You're not in the diplomatic corps, by any chance? Incidentally......"people" DO care about screen-shots. Don't assume the responsibility of spokesman for the rest of the human race. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fOKF5.31587$[email hidden]... > http://legends.sports-gaming.com/movies.shtml#wsc > > Check out the ECTS Show footage. It's quite amazing with a cool onboard > shot. > > > Hint to Papyrus : (RELEASE MOVIES! Nobody gives an arse about screenshots, > we want to see cars in action.)

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > Incidentally......"people" DO care about screen-shots. Don't assume the > responsibility of spokesman for the rest of the human race. I represent an X number of people, unnamed, unidentified, unknown of quantity. Therefore it's my right to whine that Papyrus has simply released screenshot after screenshot after screenshot yet meanwhile all other marketing teams for other development software release movies. A gift box always looks good, but it's what's inside that counts. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > Incidentally......"people" DO care about screen-shots. Don't assume the > responsibility of spokesman for the rest of the human race. I vote for movies...but I do have a mighty cable connection :0).

Hey Frank, I can't *believe* the amount of belly-aching your off-the-cuff remark about PR movies has "caused" in this thread. Some folks really . . . . Some people just . . . . People ought to think for jus. . . . Ach! ciao, David "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fOKF5.31587$[email hidden]...

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> http://legends.sports-gaming.com/movies.shtml#wsc > > Check out the ECTS Show footage. It's quite amazing with a cool onboard > shot. > > > Hint to Papyrus : (RELEASE MOVIES! Nobody gives an arse about screenshots, > we want to see cars in action.) > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

> http://legends.sports-gaming.com/movies.shtml#wsc > > Check out the ECTS Show footage. It's quite amazing with a > cool onboard shot. I'm sure it's a nice movie, but I can't get the ECTS link to work, just the other two that I've already seen. Anybody else have this problem? -Chris- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Bruce Kennewell wrote... > <snip> > Well, for someone who doesn't "give an arse" (whatever that means! > Do you mean "I don't give a rat's arse"? I believe that's an old > Anglo-Saxon term, oft used by Poms and Aussies....dunno about > French-Canadians) Personally I think it's the bastard child of "I can't be arsed" and "I don't give a damn". Frank makes good sense most of the time, but understanding him takes a bit of lateral thinking. Being able to "think French" helps, of course. The real master of "English with French meaning" is none other than our mutual friend Jean-Claude Gallon, but ymenard comes a close 2nd. ;-) Jan. =--- <snip>

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > Yes, you are quite correct, Frank. You represent YOU. > You can whine all you like, to your heart's content......so long as youare > doing it for YOU. <yawn> Bruce stop playing with semantics another time. Will you ever learn to not do this to me?. It's a no-win situation for you. I know for a fact that many people (the world doesn't stop at the boundaries of this NG) in other places of the internet and in real-life have told me they are tired to see a boring screenshot each 2-3 weeks when the webmaster (Oh I forgot they don't have a real official one anymore but you probably didn't know that) wants to update the Papyrus web site. Yes they have marketing plans as Joel told some of us but I'm seriously thinking they are focusing on it way too close to the release date of the title. If we look at many successful other titles on the market, they had a steady amount of video/screenshot until the release. Do you _REMEMBER_ the GPL marketing for the hardcore simmers? The full lap of Watkins Glen from the in-car cockpit! The wreck at Zandy! The 30 or so screenshots _PER_ track! The hidden Monza announcement of the Ferrari license! What has happened to all of this? Why has Papyrus decided to come back to normal and don't care much about pre-shipping marketing ? We all praised Papyrus for the nice marketing of GPL (they had a better marketing plan then any other released title by them and don't say it didn't work because it did for the market they researched, us). So going back to my point, there is more than 1 person that approves what I wrote, thus I shall use proper English and write "WE". Because hmmm uhhhh I couldn't write "I", or "HE", or "YOU" or "THEY", because it included me and another person. You know your English Bruce? > "A gift box always looks good....." etc. Isn't an avi or an mpeg or > whatever sample simply a "gift box"?! Videos show immensely more information compared to a static screenshot. You said the same about historical pictures of F1's IIRC. They are fixed in time, it's when watching real videos that you see they aren't drifting as much as we thought they were. But hey it's your problem if you want to dissect each of my post to the individual word. I will continue to bloody write like I want to. Just filter me if your not happy, I don't give an arse. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote > I can't *believe* the amount of belly-aching your off-the-cuff remarkabout > PR movies has "caused" in this thread. Some folks really . . . . Some > people just . . . . People ought to think for jus. . . . Bah if they want to lose their time analysing and anatomising my words and the secret hidden meanings of my sentence structures, it's their hobby! :) :( -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Yes...you're correct, Jan. I overlooked that fact......self-appointed though the postion was! BK Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Frank *is* the voice of the people and just performing his duties. :-)

Yes, you are quite correct, Frank. You represent YOU. You can whine all you like, to your heart's content......so long as you are doing it for YOU. Now, unless you care to provide the credentials associated with your sudden elevation to ambassadorial rank, please qualify your statements when using collective pronouns such as "we", "us", "people"...........and even "all" when used inthe context "....all other marketing teams......" Got a list of all these marketing teams to which you refer, Frank? It is "all" of them, is it? Not "many" of them? Maybe "some" of them, even? Oh...and when you use old clich�s, make sure that they are suitable for the occasion: "A gift box always looks good....." etc. Isn't an avi or an mpeg or whatever sample simply a "gift box"?! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SK5G5.34859$[email hidden]... > > I represent an X number of people, unnamed, unidentified, unknown of > quantity. Therefore it's my right to whine that Papyrus has simply released > screenshot after screenshot after screenshot yet meanwhile all other > marketing teams for other development software release movies. > > A gift box always looks good, but it's what's inside that counts.

Count me as one of those that wishes to see a video! "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UHsG5.37021$[email hidden]...

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> "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Yes, you are quite correct, Frank. You represent YOU. > > You can whine all you like, to your heart's content......so long as you > are > > doing it for YOU. > > > <yawn> Bruce stop playing with semantics another time. Will you ever

learn > to not do this to me?. It's a no-win situation for you. I know for afact > that many people (the world doesn't stop at the boundaries of this NG) in > other places of the internet and in real-life have told me they are tiredto > see a boring screenshot each 2-3 weeks when the webmaster (Oh I forgotthey > don't have a real official one anymore but you probably didn't know that) > wants to update the Papyrus web site. > > Yes they have marketing plans as Joel told some of us but I'm seriously > thinking they are focusing on it way too close to the release date of the > title. If we look at many successful other titles on the market, they hada > steady amount of video/screenshot until the release. > > Do you _REMEMBER_ the GPL marketing for the hardcore simmers? The fulllap

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> of Watkins Glen from the in-car cockpit! The wreck at Zandy! The 30 or so > screenshots _PER_ track! The hidden Monza announcement of the Ferrari > license! What has happened to all of this? Why has Papyrus decided to come > back to normal and don't care much about pre-shipping marketing ? We all > praised Papyrus for the nice marketing of GPL (they had a better marketing > plan then any other released title by them and don't say it didn't work > because it did for the market they researched, us). > > So going back to my point, there is more than 1 person that approves what

I > wrote, thus I shall use proper English and write "WE". Because hmmm uhhhhI > couldn't write "I", or "HE", or "YOU" or "THEY", because it included meand

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> another person. You know your English Bruce? > > > > "A gift box always looks good....." etc. Isn't an avi or an mpeg or > > whatever sample simply a "gift box"?! > > Videos show immensely more information compared to a static screenshot.

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> said the same about historical pictures of F1's IIRC. They are fixed in > time, it's when watching real videos that you see they aren't drifting as > much as we thought they were. > > But hey it's your problem if you want to dissect each of my post to the > individual word. I will continue to bloody write like I want to. Just > filter me if your not happy, I don't give an arse. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tJsG5.37022$[email hidden]...

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> "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I can't *believe* the amount of belly-aching your off-the-cuff remark > about > > PR movies has "caused" in this thread. Some folks really . . . . Some > > people just . . . . People ought to think for jus. . . . > > > Bah if they want to lose their time analysing and anatomising my words and > the secret hidden meanings of my sentence structures, it's their hobby! > :) :(

I understand that if you read Frank's message backwards it actually says "I buried Paul" :-) -- See ya in the pits, Deano I have a terrible memory. In fact it's so bad that I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > Well, for someone who doesn't "give an arse" (whatever that means! Do you > mean "I don't give a rat's arse"? I believe that's an old Anglo-Saxonterm, > oft used by Poms and Aussies....dunno about French-Canadians) youcertainly > wrote a lot of words in response.......some of which made some sort of > sense. I think. It's something I, and the people in my micro-society within the limits of Qu�bec say in English. It's a more polite "I don't give a sh*t but I still have a level of interest", but it's a little more forward and eager then a simple "I just don't care much". ;-) People who heard me talk in English agree that I'm bilingual, but no language is the same, even if the system of written/spoken communication is basically the identical. "Oy mate!" I doubt such thing is said by a good portion of people living in Western Virginia (but the same could be said about the Aussies themselves eh!). It's all within the society in which we live, but you know that. > By-the-way......I don't use a filter, Frank. I consider myself mature > enough to be able to disseminate the good from the bad and ugly withoutthe > need for some automated widget to do it for me. Good, I don't filter anybody either. I dislike self-censuring myself, and I don't condone somebody's expertise.. > Anyway....your posts are often unintentionally hilarious! Good to see I'm entertaining non-purposely to a few gents ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

(snip) >Just filter me if your not happy, I don't give an arse.(unsnip) Well, for someone who doesn't "give an arse" (whatever that means! Do you mean "I don't give a rat's arse"? I believe that's an old Anglo-Saxon term, oft used by Poms and Aussies....dunno about French-Canadians) you certainly wrote a lot of words in response.......some of which made some sort of sense. I think. By-the-way......I don't use a filter, Frank. I consider myself mature enough to be able to disseminate the good from the bad and ugly without the need for some automated widget to do it for me. Anyway....your posts are often unintentionally hilarious! -- BK --------------------------- ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UHsG5.37021$[email hidden]... > <yawn>

(snippped) > Being able to "think French" helps, of course.(unsnipped) There is very little that I can "think French" about, Jan. Food comes first, of course, closely followed by images of Brigitte Bardot when both she and I were a lot younger! -- BK --------------------------- Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Personally I think it's the bastard child of "I can't be arsed" and "Idon't > give a damn". Frank makes good sense most of the time, but understandinghim > takes a bit of lateral thinking. >

"Mate!" is probably heard here than you might think. It's still an everyday expression...as common as "g'day". The sad thing is that the slang peculiar to Oz has been, and continues to be, eroded by Americanisms. The result of the "Communication Age", I suppose. "Buddy" is heard as often as "mate". "Fries" is replacing "chips". "Trail" is replacing "track" on official signs. Even some of the TV commercials are shown here exactly as imported from the United States, so "lollies" become "candy" in the shops. What I find sad is that even with the great diversity of our new immigrants over the past 50 years, no new slang words have entered our vernacular apart from Americanisms. When you consider the number of European and Asian cultures that have come to Oz, that IS disturbing. BK --------------------------- ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KZLG5.354620$[email hidden]... "Oy mate!" I doubt such thing is said by a good > portion of people living in Western Virginia (but the same could be said > about the Aussies themselves eh!).

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:41:50 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>"Mate!" is probably heard here than you might think. It's still an everyday >expression...as common as "g'day". > >The sad thing is that the slang peculiar to Oz has been, and continues to >be, eroded by Americanisms. The result of the "Communication Age", I >suppose. >"Buddy" is heard as often as "mate". "Fries" is replacing "chips". "Trail" >is replacing "track" on official signs. Even some of the TV commercials are >shown here exactly as imported from the United States, so "lollies" become >"candy" in the shops. > >What I find sad is that even with the great diversity of our new immigrants >over the past 50 years, no new slang words have entered our vernacular apart >from Americanisms. When you consider the number of European and Asian >cultures that have come to Oz, that IS disturbing. > >BK

Well, most of your vernacular comes from the English and we all know how fond of them you Aussies are so any change is a good thing. :-) -- Nos

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:02:00 GMT, Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I'm sure it's a nice movie, but I can't get the ECTS link to work, just >the other two that I've already seen. Anybody else have this problem? Don't know. Maybe too many people trying to download it at once? I'm using Media Player 7 and it's downloading right now with no problems at 6:24am EST. -- Nos

In article <EgCG5.1531$[email hidden]>, "DTP" <[email hidden]> writes: >> Bah if they want to lose their time analysing and anatomising my words and >> the secret hidden meanings of my sentence structures, it's their hobby! >> :) :( > >I understand that if you read Frank's message backwards it actually says "I >buried Paul" :-) But wasn't Paul the Walrus...?<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> writes: >Well, for someone who doesn't "give an arse" (whatever that means! Do you >mean "I don't give a rat's arse"? I believe that's an old Anglo-Saxon term, >oft used by Poms and Aussies WTF are "Poms"? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> writes: >Pommies, Pommys, Poms = Brits, Limeys. > >Don't ask me from where it originates, I haven't the faintest idea, Eldred! >(I've never been curious enough to look it up). > I tell ya - you learn some INTERESTING things on the internet...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote > But wasn't Paul the Walrus...?<g> I am the walrus, coo-coo kee choo! (ok this is -way- OT) Anybody can bring the thread back to WSC or simracing with the word Walrus? ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > WTF are "Poms"? Brits... it'd be more recognisable in its full grammatical form: whinging poms ;-) Andrew McP

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> > Pommies, Pommys, Poms = Brits, Limeys. > > Don't ask me from where it originates, I haven't the faintest idea, Eldred! > (I've never been curious enough to look it up). > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- >

From www.m-w.com , if you can make anything out of it :) : Main Entry: Pom�my Variant(s): or Pom�mie /'p�-mE/ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural Pommies Etymology: by shortening & alter. from pomegranate, alteration of Jimmy Grant, rhyming slang for immigrant Date: 1912 Australian & New Zealand, usually disparaging : BRITON; especially : an English immigrant -Gregor

Aaah! Yes.....I recall the term "pomegranate" being used by my grandfather!! I should have realised that it came from the old rhyming slang. Thanks, Gregor. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Pommies, Pommys, Poms = Brits, Limeys. > > > > Don't ask me from where it originates, I haven't the faintest idea, Eldred! > > (I've never been curious enough to look it up). > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > From www.m-w.com , if you can make anything out of it :) : > > Main Entry: Pom�my > Variant(s): or Pom�mie /'p�-mE/ > Function: noun > Inflected Form(s): plural Pommies > Etymology: by shortening & alter. from pomegranate, alteration of Jimmy > Grant, rhyming slang for immigrant > Date: 1912 > Australian & New Zealand, usually disparaging : BRITON; especially : an > English immigrant > > -Gregor

"win-gin"... afaik it's a different word, with a different meaning to whining. Jan. =--- Barton Brown wrote...

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> Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > (It's "whinging" Pom....not "whining". > > I've always wondered how you guys pronounce that -- out > here in the colonies, of course, we say "whining", as in > "wine-ing", but how do you say "whinging"? > > BB

In article <[email hidden]>, Buzz O'Dea <[email hidden]> writes: >Limey originates from the practice of eating citrus fruits to prevent scurvey >on long ocean journeys. Oranges, limes, etc Thanks. I'd wondered about that, TOO...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:51:53 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Pommies, Pommys, Poms = Brits, Limeys. > >Don't ask me from where it originates, I haven't the faintest idea, Eldred! >(I've never been curious enough to look it up). It originates because of an inferiority complex. :-) -- Nos

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:37:25 +0200, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Australian & New Zealand, usually disparaging : BRITON; especially : an >English immigrant > >-Gregor Ah, so it's really the ex-convict immigrants who are the poms and not the patriot brits. Trust an ozzie to screw up their own racial slights. -- Nos

Pommies, Pommys, Poms = Brits, Limeys. Don't ask me from where it originates, I haven't the faintest idea, Eldred! (I've never been curious enough to look it up). -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Well, for someone who doesn't "give an arse" (whatever that means! Do you > >mean "I don't give a rat's arse"? I believe that's an old Anglo-Saxon term, > >oft used by Poms and Aussies > > WTF are "Poms"? > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +49.67 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

LOL!! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Andrew MacPherson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Brits... it'd be more recognisable in its full grammatical form: whinging > poms ;-) >

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:34:11 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Not really......nicknames and slang have very little to do with complexes, >either inferiority or superiority. Call it what you like, but it's a well known fact some of you Aussies have it in for the English. Especially the ones who are always saying "whining poms". Or are you saying it's used as an affectionate term? -- Nos

That is for sure! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I tell ya - you learn some INTERESTING things on the internet...<g> >

Not really......nicknames and slang have very little to do with complexes, either inferiority or superiority. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Yoshido Nos <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It originates because of an inferiority complex. :-) > -- > Nos

"Racial slights"? "RACIAL"?!! What's that you've got there, Yosh.......a giant chip on your shoulder? Or just a big case of Total Ignorance? Maybe both? The "convict immigrants" were all from Britain (as defined and applicable to the 18th. and 19th. centuries). Ergo, the transportees were all of Anglo-Saxon-Norman-Celtic-Germanic stock. They, and their masters, also of the same stock, formed the nucleus of the colony in Oz and it wasn't until Chinese labour for the goldfields arrived that any other RACE external to the region took up residence here. So where your "racial slights" comment comes in I have no idea. In which case I suggest that you return to school (if you've already left, of course) and continue your primary education. BK --------------------------- Yoshido Nos <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Ah, so it's really the ex-convict immigrants who are the poms and not > the patriot brits. Trust an ozzie to screw up their own racial > slights. > > -- > Nos

Oh yes... knew the origin of that, Buzz. I was just letting Eldred know that the term Pom was the equivalent of Limey...i.e., it meant "English" in particular, "Briton" in general. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Buzz O'Dea <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Limey originates from the practice of eating citrus fruits to prevent scurvey on long ocean journeys. Oranges, limes, etc Bruce Kennewell wrote: Pommies, Pommys, Poms = Brits, Limeys. Don't ask me from where it originates, I haven't the faintest idea, Eldred! (I've never been curious enough to look it up). -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Well, for someone who doesn't "give an arse" (whatever that means! Do you > >mean "I don't give a rat's arse"? I believe that's an old Anglo-Saxon term, > >oft used by Poms and Aussies > > WTF are "Poms"? > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +49.67 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > (It's "whinging" Pom....not "whining". I've always wondered how you guys pronounce that -- out here in the colonies, of course, we say "whining", as in "wine-ing", but how do you say "whinging"? BB

"win-jing" -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > (It's "whinging" Pom....not "whining". > > I've always wondered how you guys pronounce that -- out here in the > colonies, of course, we say "whining", as in "wine-ing", but how do you > say "whinging"? > > BB

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:23:32 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"win-gin"... afaik it's a different word, with a different meaning to >whining. Well, there was one of my questions answered. I had always wondered about this whinging thing. Now, we can talk about whether things are different 'to' or 'from' one another.... :o) ~daxe

Depends upon whether you're coming or going and whether you're looking forwards or backwards, Daxe. Simple! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- daxe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Now, we can talk about whether things are different 'to' or 'from' one > another....

On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:52:28 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Depends upon whether you're coming or going and whether you're looking >forwards or backwards, Daxe. > >Simple! What if you are standing still and looking at two objects, then? Do they differ 'from' one another or do they differ 'to' one another? ~daxe

I really don't expect you to understand either the idiom or the sentiment. You have to have lived here for some time to even get close to it. A very close friend of mine happens to be a "bloody Pommy" and he refers to me as an "old bastard". On the other hand, some genuine "whinging Poms" should have known better than to stay here after emigrating in the 1960's for ten quid. (It's "whinging" Pom....not "whining". -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Yoshido Nos <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:34:11 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >Not really......nicknames and slang have very little to do with complexes, > >either inferiority or superiority. > > Call it what you like, but it's a well known fact some of you Aussies > have it in for the English. Especially the ones who are always saying > "whining poms". Or are you saying it's used as an affectionate term? > -- > Nos

How's your Dutch? ;-) Jan. =--- daxe wrote...

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> <snip> > Well, there was one of my questions answered. I had always > wondered about this whinging thing. > > Now, we can talk about whether things are different 'to' or > 'from' one another.... > > :o) > > ~daxe

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:27:01 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I really don't expect you to understand either the idiom or the sentiment. >You have to have lived here for some time to even get close to it. >A very close friend of mine happens to be a "bloody Pommy" and he refers to >me as an "old bastard". >On the other hand, some genuine "whinging Poms" should have known better >than to stay here after emigrating in the 1960's for ten quid. That's what my uncle did. We on the other hand came to a better place called Canada where we don't get called poms by the real poms. :-) >(It's "whinging" Pom....not "whining". Well, that word is not in my dictionary so though it was an old spelling for the same word. -- Nos

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> > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > Incidentally......"people" DO care about screen-shots. Don't assume the > > responsibility of spokesman for the rest of the human race. > > I vote for movies...but I do have a mighty cable connection :0).

I don't, and I hate you....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

To coin an Aussie phrase. GET STUFFED ;-) MS "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > WTF are "Poms"? > > Brits... it'd be more recognisable in its full grammatical form: whinging > poms ;-) > > Andrew McP >

On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:48:06 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >How's your Dutch? ;-) Can't speak a word of it, Jan. I am genuinely interested in the different ways English gets spoken or spelled, especially by English speaking people. I wasn't picking on the way you said it because I have heard both ways my whole life and wondered if there was a 'correct' way to say it. As a youth, I was corrected if I messed up something like that, and I learned to say one thing differs 'from' another thing. Naturally I think that is correct, but it may not actually be correct at all. I like to know what's correct and the international flavor of r.a.s. is a good place to get a lot of input on that. No offense meant. ~daxe

On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:20:05 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Oh...you're asking a serious question. Okay. > >I would say "They differ" or "They are different". There is no need to >include anything referring to (or from) each other. To do so is superfluous. > >However, you could say "These two cups differ because although they are the >same shape, one has blue spots and the other has green". That way you >provide an explanation of the difference. > >"To" or "from" are totally unnecessary once it has been established that >there IS a difference. > >Does that help?

Well, it doesn't really answer my question other than to invalidate it, but it is interesting. This is just one of those curiousities in English that I have always wondered about. I learned 'from' and it's jarring when I hear or read 'to', though neither is probably correct, as you point out. ~daxe

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > you could say "These two cups differ because although they are the > same shape, one has blue spots and the other has green". But "Coffee is different from cream" and "shit is similar to Shinola" -- things that are different are always different *from* one another, and things that are similar are always similar *to* one another. How did we get here?

Oh...you're asking a serious question. Okay. I would say "They differ" or "They are different". There is no need to include anything referring to (or from) each other. To do so is superfluous. However, you could say "These two cups differ because although they are the same shape, one has blue spots and the other has green". That way you provide an explanation of the difference. "To" or "from" are totally unnecessary once it has been established that there IS a difference. Does that help? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- daxe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:52:28 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Depends upon whether you're coming or going and whether you're looking > >forwards or backwards, Daxe. > > > >Simple! > > What if you are standing still and looking at two objects, then? Do > they differ 'from' one another or do they differ 'to' one another? > > ~daxe >

BZZZZZZZZT! You can't coin a phrase that's already been coined, Mark. Sorry, but you're out. NEXT! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Mark.seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o6eI5.2341$[email hidden]... > To coin an Aussie phrase. > > GET STUFFED ;-) > > MS > "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > > > WTF are "Poms"? > > > > Brits... it'd be more recognisable in its full grammatical form: whinging > > poms ;-) > > > > Andrew McP > > > >

Thanks, Barton...you put that very nicely indeed (although what Shinola is I wouldn't know!). Well...there you have it, Daxe. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > you could say "These two cups differ because although they are the > > same shape, one has blue spots and the other has green". > > But "Coffee is different from cream" and "shit is similar to Shinola" -- > things that are different are always different *from* one another, and > things that are similar are always similar *to* one another. > > How did we get here?

On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:48:59 GMT, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Bruce Kennewell wrote: >> you could say "These two cups differ because although they are the >> same shape, one has blue spots and the other has green". > >But "Coffee is different from cream" and "shit is similar to Shinola" -- >things that are different are always different *from* one another, and >things that are similar are always similar *to* one another. > >How did we get here?

But wait...I thought opposites attract....oh..nevermind. ~daxe

Yeah...that's interesting, Daxe, because we (my peers and I) were taught as per my example. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- daxe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:20:05 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Oh...you're asking a serious question. Okay. > > > >I would say "They differ" or "They are different". There is no need to > >include anything referring to (or from) each other. To do so is superfluous. > > > >However, you could say "These two cups differ because although they are the > >same shape, one has blue spots and the other has green". That way you > >provide an explanation of the difference. > > > >"To" or "from" are totally unnecessary once it has been established that > >there IS a difference. > > > >Does that help? > > Well, it doesn't really answer my question other than to invalidate > it, but it is interesting. This is just one of those curiousities in > English that I have always wondered about. I learned 'from' and > it's jarring when I hear or read 'to', though neither is probably > correct, as you point out. > > ~daxe >

Rent Steve Martin's movie: The Jerk. Pay paticular attention to the advice his father gives him when he leaves home. :) dave henrie "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thanks, Barton...you put that very nicely indeed (although what Shinola isI

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> wouldn't know!). > > Well...there you have it, Daxe. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > you could say "These two cups differ because although they are the > > > same shape, one has blue spots and the other has green". > > > > But "Coffee is different from cream" and "shit is similar to Shinola" -- > > things that are different are always different *from* one another, and > > things that are similar are always similar *to* one another. > > > > How did we get here? > >

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > ... although what Shinola is I wouldn't know!). Shinola used to be a tradename for a commercial shoe polish, often brown and sticky ... BB

In article <o6eI5.2341$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Mark.seery) wrote: > GET STUFFED ;-) Speaking as a Brit I wholeheartedly concur with the Munchkins (residents of Aus). If there were Olympics for whinging nobody else would bother turning up. Andrew McP

Ca't you simply save me some money by relating the incdent, Dave? :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qDBI5.7772$[email hidden]... > Rent Steve Martin's movie: The Jerk. Pay paticular attention to the > advice his father gives him when he leaves home. :) > dave henrie > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Thanks, Barton...you put that very nicely indeed (although what Shinola is > I > > wouldn't know!). > > > > Well...there you have it, Daxe. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > you could say "These two cups differ because although they are the > > > > same shape, one has blue spots and the other has green". > > > > > > But "Coffee is different from cream" and "shit is similar to Shinola" -- > > > things that are different are always different *from* one another, and > > > things that are similar are always similar *to* one another. > > > > > > How did we get here? > > > > > >

Aaah! "SHINE-ola". I was pronouncing it "SHIN-ola". Thanks Barton...all makes sense now! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > ... although what Shinola is I wouldn't know!). > > Shinola used to be a tradename for a commercial shoe polish, often brown > and sticky ... > > BB

LOL!! I LOVE that term "Munchkins"........haven't heard that before outside of the movie! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Andrew MacPherson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <o6eI5.2341$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Mark.seery) wrote: > > > GET STUFFED ;-) > > Speaking as a Brit I wholeheartedly concur with the Munchkins (residents > of Aus). If there were Olympics for whinging nobody else would bother > turning up. > > Andrew McP >

Hehe. "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8t22fi$6gf$[email hidden]...

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> No, Australia and the rest of the world still have about 70 days to go. > > Eric > > > "New Nos" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Has Australia entered the 21st century yet? > >

[email hidden] (Bruce Kennewell) wrote: > haven't heard that before outside of the > movie! In your defence I've never seen it used before either. I can't believe it hasn't been used before though :-) Andrew McP

ok but first , from Cheech and Chong: two Russians walking in the frozen wastes trudge...trudge...trudge... 1st Russian: Hey whats that? 2nd Russian...Hmm, looks like Dog Shit... 1st Russian...Feel.. 2nd Russan ..WHAT? 1st Russian: FEEELLL 2nd Russian..ok...uh...ugh...feels like dog shit 1st Russian: Smell! 2nd Russian: sniff...uck..smells like dog shit.. 1st Russian: Taste... 2nd Russian WHAT?????? 1st Russian: TASTE!!! 2nd Russian: <grumbling> ok...(chomp chomp) YECK! Tastes like Dog shit. 1st Russian: Oh, Good thing we not step in it then... 2nd Russian: yes, good thing.. trudge...trudge...trudge... Now to Steve Martin. In the Jerk, his Black Father gives Steve some advice just before he leaves. His dad pulls out a can of shineola(shoe polish) and says: "Son, there shit, and then there's shineola..." advice we all could use... dave henrie "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39f35054$[email hidden]...

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> Aaah! > "SHINE-ola". I was pronouncing it "SHIN-ola". > Thanks Barton...all makes sense now! > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > > > ... although what Shinola is I wouldn't know!). > > > > Shinola used to be a tradename for a commercial shoe polish, often brown > > and sticky ... > > > > BB > >

On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:51:08 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Probably because those little buggers were cute...which is hardly an apt >description for yer typical Oz bloke! > Do ozzies still make their women walk ten feet behind the man? How about letting women into the pubs? Has Australia entered the 21st century yet? -- Nos

No, Australia and the rest of the world still have about 70 days to go. Eric "New Nos" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Has Australia entered the 21st century yet?

No, because it starts next year. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- New Nos <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Has Australia entered the 21st > century yet?

Good thing I regularly check the group with the "Show Replies to my Messages" option in Outlook Express, otherwise I would have missed your message. I'm quite keen not to appear callous or inconsiderate towards people who are trying to be considerate online as well. No offence taken (I'd consider myself a poor sport if I didn't take it as well as I dish it out <g>). Thank you for the clarification and in actual fact I do appreciate corrections to my English (although I do favour the initial flippant comeback ;-)). In this case I doubted and, as "from" didn't sound right to me, went with my original guess (I don't apply any logic in any of the languages I speak/write as I believe "what comes natural is usually right") of "to". Have you and Bruce figured out what's "right" yet? ;-)) Jan. =--- daxe wrote...

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> On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:48:06 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" > <snip> > Can't speak a word of it, Jan. > > I am genuinely interested in the different ways English gets spoken or > spelled, especially by English speaking people. I wasn't picking on > the way you said it because I have heard both ways my whole life and > wondered if there was a 'correct' way to say it. > > As a youth, I was corrected if I messed up something like that, and I > learned to say one thing differs 'from' another thing. Naturally I > think that is correct, but it may not actually be correct at all. I > like to know what's correct and the international flavor of r.a.s. is > a good place to get a lot of input on that. > > No offense meant. > > ~daxe

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (New Nos) writes:

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>On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:51:08 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" ><[email hidden]> thus spoke: > >>Probably because those little buggers were cute...which is hardly an apt >>description for yer typical Oz bloke! >> > >Do ozzies still make their women walk ten feet behind the man? How >about letting women into the pubs? Has Australia entered the 21st >century yet? >

Hmm, I've never heard the Oz women were treated that way... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>No, Australia and the rest of the world still have about 70 days to go. > >Eric > > >"New Nos" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Has Australia entered the 21st century yet?

Oh, let's not start THAT again... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:15:28 GMT, Rod Prince <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Err, that's never been the case (?) Perhaps not, but I have met Aussie women who have said the men are quite sexist over there. >Of course they're allowed. Whether they actually want to go is another >thing. Welp, I was told that not too long ago that women where not allowed into certain pubs. >> Has Australia entered the 21st century yet? > >No, I don't expect we will till January 1st, 2001. Several hours before >Canada does. Ack...drats and double drats - foiled by my own miscalcultaion. Let's just say that it's common knowledge that ozzie men treat the women as second class citizens. At least that's what I've been told by Aussie women. -- Nos

On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 07:36:37 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >No, because it starts next year. Typo. :-) -- Nos

Probably because those little buggers were cute...which is hardly an apt description for yer typical Oz bloke! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Andrew MacPherson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In your defence I've never seen it used before either. I can't believe it > hasn't been used before though :-)

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Ack...drats and double drats - foiled by my own miscalcultaion. Let's > just say that it's common knowledge that ozzie men treat the women as > second class citizens. At least that's what I've been told by Aussie > women. Risking going way off topic here, but I think that's either an overgeneralisation based on a very small volume of women polled, or the case that you'll find women in any society who think they're hard done by. Wouldn't you consider it rather ironic that the Olympic torch was handed through great Australian sports women of our time and given to a Aboriginal woman to light the cauldron, if they were treated as second class citizens? I'd suggest that women are treated no more a second class citizen as your average woman in America (but I'd suggest alot less Springer candidates per capita, also). The only case where I would partly agree with you would be your older farmers who did perhaps treat women in a manner you describe, but we're probably talking about 0.000001% of the population. I've never known a pub in the cities that dissalowed entry to women in my 30 years, again, this may have applied in the bush. In Australia, it's common knowledge that yanks are ignorant loudmouths, poms are whingers and kiwis live to have their way with sheep, but anything preceeded with common knowledge is usually bollocks. Cheers, Rod.

Aaaaaaah! Now it all comes together. Thanks Daxe. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dMNI5.8925$[email hidden]... > ok but first , from Cheech and Chong: > two Russians walking in the frozen wastes > trudge...trudge...trudge... > 1st Russian: Hey whats that? > 2nd Russian...Hmm, looks like Dog Shit... > 1st Russian...Feel.. > 2nd Russan ..WHAT? > 1st Russian: FEEELLL > 2nd Russian..ok...uh...ugh...feels like dog shit > 1st Russian: Smell! > 2nd Russian: sniff...uck..smells like dog shit.. > 1st Russian: Taste... > 2nd Russian WHAT?????? > 1st Russian: TASTE!!! > 2nd Russian: <grumbling> ok...(chomp chomp) YECK! Tastes like Dog shit. > 1st Russian: Oh, Good thing we not step in it then... > 2nd Russian: yes, good thing.. > trudge...trudge...trudge... > Now to Steve Martin. > In the Jerk, his Black Father gives Steve some advice just before he > leaves. > His dad pulls out a can of shineola(shoe polish) and says: > "Son, there shit, and then there's shineola..." > > advice we all could use... > dave henrie > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:39f35054$[email hidden]... > > Aaah! > > "SHINE-ola". I was pronouncing it "SHIN-ola". > > Thanks Barton...all makes sense now! > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > > > > > ... although what Shinola is I wouldn't know!). > > > > > > Shinola used to be a tradename for a commercial shoe polish, often brown > > > and sticky ... > > > > > > BB > > > > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Do ozzies still make their women walk ten feet behind the man? Err, that's never been the case (?) > How about letting women into the pubs? Of course they're allowed. Whether they actually want to go is another thing. > Has Australia entered the 21st century yet? No, I don't expect we will till January 1st, 2001. Several hours before Canada does. > Nos Cheers, Rod.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 02:55:36 GMT, Rod Prince <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >In Australia, it's common knowledge that yanks are ignorant loudmouths, >poms are whingers and kiwis live to have their way with sheep, but >anything preceeded with common knowledge is usually bollocks. > >Cheers, >Rod. I read it, it's gotta be true. :=) -- xyz

On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:53:41 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>Yes, most definitely, we treat all females here as second-class citizens. >The basic reason is for their own safety; if we didn't make them walk 10 >paces behind us then it would make our job of protecting them from the >leaping killer wombats all that more difficult. > >Truth of the matter is that women just cannot hold their liquor and, when >they are supposed to be home cooking dinner or washing the clothes, they >shouldn't be trying to drink at the same time.

You also need the wifey at home preparing the Sunday roast while you have your Sunday pint down at the pub. -- xyz

On 24 Oct 2000 16:21:35 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Oh, let's not start THAT again... :) > Yeah..pretty soon we'll have that [email hidden] moron back in here telling us we're all going to die. I wonder if all the programmers 'drafted' from the gaming companies have returned to their regular jobs, yet? >snicker< ~daxe

Oh...bloody oath, mate! -- BK. --------------------------- Classified <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > You also need the wifey at home preparing the Sunday roast while you > have your Sunday pint down at the pub. > -- > xyz

Yes....lets! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Oh, let's not start THAT again... :) >

Aah. So it's through personal experience. Thanks. (I also attended boarding school but it didn't effect my attitude towards women, thank heavens. I still make them walk ten paces behind me.) -- BK. --------------------------- Rod Prince <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.1460a18fa7daa24098974b@news-server... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > > WHAT???!!! > > Rod, where are you living.........Tasmania?!! > > How do you arrive at this conclusion...or is it simply a sweeping, > > generalised statement made because it sounds good? Why would an old farmer > > have treated a woman as a second-class citizen any more than an old > > accountant or an old production line worker? > > My sister married a bushie who works the land... and the sheepdogs get > more attention than she does. I was exposed to that culture for about a > year when I was young. The woman was more of a live in maid than a > partner. This was evident on quite a few stations that I visited. The son > recently got married but spent alot of time in boarding schools so it > would appear his treatment of women is alot more equal than his father > and grandfather. > > Cheers, > Rod.

Barton actually nailed it: "Is different from", "is similar to". -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Good thing I regularly check the group with the "Show Replies to my > Messages" option in Outlook Express, otherwise I would have missed your > message. I'm quite keen not to appear callous or inconsiderate towards > people who are trying to be considerate online as well. No offence taken > (I'd consider myself a poor sport if I didn't take it as well as I dish it > out <g>). > > Thank you for the clarification and in actual fact I do appreciate > corrections to my English (although I do favour the initial flippant > comeback ;-)). In this case I doubted and, as "from" didn't sound right to > me, went with my original guess (I don't apply any logic in any of the > languages I speak/write as I believe "what comes natural is usually right") > of "to". Have you and Bruce figured out what's "right" yet? ;-)) > > Jan. > =--- > daxe wrote... > > On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:48:06 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" > > <snip> > > Can't speak a word of it, Jan. > > > > I am genuinely interested in the different ways English gets spoken or > > spelled, especially by English speaking people. I wasn't picking on > > the way you said it because I have heard both ways my whole life and > > wondered if there was a 'correct' way to say it. > > > > As a youth, I was corrected if I messed up something like that, and I > > learned to say one thing differs 'from' another thing. Naturally I > > think that is correct, but it may not actually be correct at all. I > > like to know what's correct and the international flavor of r.a.s. is > > a good place to get a lot of input on that. > > > > No offense meant. > > > > ~daxe > >

Yes, most definitely, we treat all females here as second-class citizens. The basic reason is for their own safety; if we didn't make them walk 10 paces behind us then it would make our job of protecting them from the leaping killer wombats all that more difficult. Truth of the matter is that women just cannot hold their liquor and, when they are supposed to be home cooking dinner or washing the clothes, they shouldn't be trying to drink at the same time. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- New Nos <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:15:28 GMT, Rod Prince > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > > >Err, that's never been the case (?) > > Perhaps not, but I have met Aussie women who have said the men are > quite sexist over there. > > > >Of course they're allowed. Whether they actually want to go is another > >thing. > > Welp, I was told that not too long ago that women where not allowed > into certain pubs. > > >> Has Australia entered the 21st century yet? > > > >No, I don't expect we will till January 1st, 2001. Several hours before > >Canada does. > > Ack...drats and double drats - foiled by my own miscalcultaion. Let's > just say that it's common knowledge that ozzie men treat the women as > second class citizens. At least that's what I've been told by Aussie > women. > -- > Nos

(snipped) The only case where I would partly agree with you would be your older farmers who did perhaps treat women in a manner you describe, but we're probably talking about 0.000001% of the population. (unsnipped) WHAT???!!! Rod, where are you living.........Tasmania?!! How do you arrive at this conclusion...or is it simply a sweeping, generalised statement made because it sounds good? Why would an old farmer have treated a woman as a second-class citizen any more than an old accountant or an old production line worker? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Rod Prince <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.145fb2aee0244a8198974a@news-server...

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > WHAT???!!! > Rod, where are you living.........Tasmania?!! > How do you arrive at this conclusion...or is it simply a sweeping, > generalised statement made because it sounds good? Why would an old farmer > have treated a woman as a second-class citizen any more than an old > accountant or an old production line worker? My sister married a bushie who works the land... and the sheepdogs get more attention than she does. I was exposed to that culture for about a year when I was young. The woman was more of a live in maid than a partner. This was evident on quite a few stations that I visited. The son recently got married but spent alot of time in boarding schools so it would appear his treatment of women is alot more equal than his father and grandfather. Cheers, Rod.