Re: Bremgarten for GPL

On Mon 16 Oct 2000 05:46:09p, MichaelJP wrote: > >I never knew this either! Made my day - when this comes out + Avus we >can nearly do a 1938 season. > >Could do with Tripoli and Pescara though. Donington!!!!!! (sorry.) -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.86) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Has anybody thought of doing this track for GPL? Though it presumably ceased to function after 1955, it would certainly suit GPL. Chris -- Simbok Racing www.geocities.com/simbokza

Thanks, I had no idea that it was already being built. Chris -- Simbok Racing www.geocities.com/simbokza Kev <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It's been in development for some time. Doesn't look too far from being finished > Screenshots here > http://home.datacomm.ch/srcb/ > > Kev > > Chris Bloom wrote: > > > > Has anybody thought of doing this track for GPL? Though it presumably > > ceased to function after 1955, it would certainly suit GPL. > > > > Chris > > > > -- > > > > Simbok Racing > > www.geocities.com/simbokza

It's been in development for some time. Doesn't look too far from being finished Screenshots here http://home.datacomm.ch/srcb/ Kev Chris Bloom wrote:

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> > Has anybody thought of doing this track for GPL? Though it presumably > ceased to function after 1955, it would certainly suit GPL. > > Chris > > -- > > Simbok Racing > www.geocities.com/simbokza

I never knew this either! Made my day - when this comes out + Avus we can nearly do a 1938 season. Could do with Tripoli and Pescara though. - Michael In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Thanks, I had no idea that it was already being built. > > Chris > > -- > > Simbok Racing > www.geocities.com/simbokza > Kev <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > It's been in development for some time. Doesn't look too far from being > finished > > Screenshots here > > http://home.datacomm.ch/srcb/ > > > > Kev > > > > >

I would love it if Papyrus made a GPL2 based around the 1930's. Nothing wrong in hoping I suppose? Chris -- Simbok Racing www.geocities.com/simbokza Remove _your_clothes before replying "MichaelJP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I never knew this either! Made my day - when this comes out + Avus we > can nearly do a 1938 season. > > Could do with Tripoli and Pescara though. > > - Michael >

What about the Masarykring? Then alter AVUS so it conforms to pre-Wall configuration, do the Vanderbilt Cup track (really cool circuit!), has anyone done Brooklands for GPL? Do some carsets and you could have SOS37 the way it SHOULD have been... BB

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:46:09 +0100, MichaelJP <[email hidden]> wrote: > >I never knew this either! Made my day - when this comes out + Avus we >can nearly do a 1938 season. > >Could do with Tripoli and Pescara though. Now that would be something... say what you want about SoS'37, but the tracks in that game were fantastic... Andre

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>- Michael > >In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >says... >> Thanks, I had no idea that it was already being built. >> >> Chris >> >> -- >> >> Simbok Racing >> www.geocities.com/simbokza >> Kev <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > It's been in development for some time. Doesn't look too far from being >> finished >> > Screenshots here >> > http://home.datacomm.ch/srcb/ >> > >> > Kev >> > >> > >>

On Tue 17 Oct 2000 10:15:51a, Andre Warringa wrote: >I didn't know that Tripoli wasn't authentic, but I read that they >added the twisty bits to Avus to make the game more interesting. >Imho it was a very good choice, the Avus layout from SoS37 is far more >interesting and fun than the original layout.<snip> Er... Andre... I think you need to keep your head down a bit now. Imagine telling all us GPL fundamentalists - "I think it would be great if they put some cobblestones down at Monaco, or put some huge jumps in at Silverstone to make it more interesting". You're going to get accused of being an "arcade-ian" before long... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > What about the Masarykring? Then alter AVUS so it conforms to pre-Wall > configuration, do the Vanderbilt Cup track (really cool circuit!), has > anyone done Brooklands for GPL? Do some carsets and you could have SOS37 > the way it SHOULD have been... Where's Masarykring? Is that the ultra long circuit at Brno/Czechoslovakia? That would be something indeed. Carsets would be cool - no one would really want to drive anything other than a Mercedes or an Auto-Union though! By all accounts everything else was 10's of seconds a lap slower. - Michael

Donington was one of the better tracks in SOS - pity about the driving model. - Michael In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> On Mon 16 Oct 2000 05:46:09p, MichaelJP wrote: > > > > >I never knew this either! Made my day - when this comes out + Avus we > >can nearly do a 1938 season. > > > >Could do with Tripoli and Pescara though. > > Donington!!!!!! (sorry.) > >

They weren't authentic though. Tripoli never had that section that tunnels through the rock, and Avus never had all those twisty bits along the straights. Montlehry, Brooklands and Donington were pretty good though. - Michael In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> >Could do with Tripoli and Pescara though. > > Now that would be something... say what you want about SoS'37, but the > tracks in that game were fantastic... > > >

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:43:20 +0100, MichaelJP <[email hidden]> wrote: >They weren't authentic though. Tripoli never had that section that >tunnels through the rock, and Avus never had all those twisty bits along >the straights. I didn't know that Tripoli wasn't authentic, but I read that they added the twisty bits to Avus to make the game more interesting. Imho it was a very good choice, the Avus layout from SoS37 is far more interesting and fun than the original layout. Andre

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>Montlehry, Brooklands and Donington were pretty good though. > >- Michael > >In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> >Could do with Tripoli and Pescara though. >> >> Now that would be something... say what you want about SoS'37, but the >> tracks in that game were fantastic... >> >> >>

On 17 Oct 2000 15:03:23 GMT, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote: >Er... Andre... I think you need to keep your head down a bit now. Imagine >telling all us GPL fundamentalists - "I think it would be great if they >put some cobblestones down at Monaco, or put some huge jumps in at >Silverstone to make it more interesting". You're going to get accused of >being an "arcade-ian" before long... Ofcourse I want all the tracks to be as authentic as possible. But have you allready tried Avus for GPL? The banking part is fantastic, but those looooong straights are boring as hell. Compared to that, the SoS37 layout is simply more fun. Andre >-- >David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) >The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com >"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" >- Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> On Tue 17 Oct 2000 10:15:51a, Andre Warringa wrote: > Er... Andre... I think you need to keep your head down a bit now. Imagine > telling all us GPL fundamentalists - "I think it would be great if they > put some cobblestones down at Monaco, or put some huge jumps in at > Silverstone to make it more interesting". You're going to get accused of > being an "arcade-ian" before long...

I certainly wouldn't mind a few tracks designed just for amusement purpose in GPL, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. +Cinquo

How about the Alfa Bimotor. It sure had the power. I dont know about the handling.

Barton, all, Okay, then, how about the *full* Hockenheim? Before the stadium section was added, the track continued all the way west into beautiful, downtown Hockenheim, hooking around the town plaza, as I remember. Then they built a new N-S Autobahn and cut off one end of the circuit. The old version would probably look like one of those make-believe circuits in NfS. --Steve Smith Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What about the Masarykring? Then alter AVUS so it conforms to pre-Wall > configuration, do the Vanderbilt Cup track (really cool circuit!), has > anyone done Brooklands for GPL? Do some carsets and you could have SOS37 > the way it SHOULD have been... > > BB

> Ofcourse I want all the tracks to be as authentic as possible. > But have you allready tried Avus for GPL? The banking part is > fantastic, but those looooong straights are boring as hell. Did they make the straights longer than in real life on this version of AVUS?

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:40:00 GMT, "Karl Zosel" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Ofcourse I want all the tracks to be as authentic as possible. >> But have you allready tried Avus for GPL? The banking part is >> fantastic, but those looooong straights are boring as hell. > >Did they make the straights longer than in real life on this version of >AVUS? I read that this version is the version as it was used in the '30s. After the war the track was shortened because one part was in East and one part was in West Berlin. So in the '60s Avus was much shorter. Andre

On Tue 17 Oct 2000 06:15:30p, Ville V Sinkko wrote: >I certainly wouldn't mind a few tracks designed just for amusement >purpose in GPL, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Edring and Pantsring are around already, and JTRC *might* be finished before the next Ice Age... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Well, to prove that there's practically *everything* on the Web, I just found a website for the Masarykring -- or, more correctly, the Brno circuit: http://www.automotodrombrno.cz/ I had no idea this track (not the original up-to-29km monster, but the 5.4km modern one) was still in operation, and is currently hosting rounds of the FIA GT championship, as well as a round in the Motorcycle WC (FIM, I guess...). The track is also open to the public, like the Nordschleife, every Wednesday for 150 Czech Korunas ($US3.61) for bikes, 250CSK ($US6.02) for cars ... such a deal. There's an English-language "history" section at the site, but it has suffered mightily in translation from the Czech because of the many diphthongs that just get all messed up in ascii text. Nor does it have a "historical" track map (it does have a map of the modern circuit), but if anyone's interested, I've got an image of the Masarykring map around here somewhere. So, the Mille Miglia (which one I wonder? At least 4 or 5 variations from the '20s to the last *real* one in '57), AVUS, Donington, Brooklands, Masaryk -- how about Liege-Rome-Liege? BB Stephen Smith wrote:

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> > Barton, all, > > Okay, then, how about the *full* Hockenheim? Before the stadium section was > added, the track continued all the way west into beautiful, downtown > Hockenheim, hooking around the town plaza, as I remember. Then they built a > new N-S Autobahn and cut off one end of the circuit. The old version would > probably look like one of those make-believe circuits in NfS. > > --Steve Smith*

I think the previously released SoS 1937 would derail any attempt at more 30's era sims....it was that bad. dave henrie "Chris Bloom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8sfeve$k6d$[email hidden]...

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> I would love it if Papyrus made a GPL2 based around the 1930's. Nothing > wrong in hoping I suppose? > > Chris > > -- > > Simbok Racing > www.geocities.com/simbokza > > Remove _your_clothes before replying > > "MichaelJP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I never knew this either! Made my day - when this comes out + Avus we > > can nearly do a 1938 season. > > > > Could do with Tripoli and Pescara though. > > > > - Michael > > > > >

Edring? MS > Edring and Pantsring are around already, and JTRC *might* be finished > before the next Ice Age...

On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:32:16 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I think the previously released SoS 1937 would derail any attempt at more >30's era sims....it was that bad. I don't agree - GPL is such a good '67 sim, one would be crazy to try to build a better '67 sim (not that I would mind if someone tried!). SoS37 was so unbelievable bad, there still is a market for a good '30s sim. Just guessing here, but I think the general public would even buy a '30s sim sooner than a '67 sim. They even made a Mille Miglia sim for the Playstation, I can't see them doing a '67 game for the playstation... Andre

David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote ... <snip> > > Er... Andre... I think you need to keep your head down a bit now. Imagine > telling all us GPL fundamentalists - "I think it would be great if they > put some cobblestones down at Monaco, or put some huge jumps in at > Silverstone to make it more interesting". You're going to get accused of > being an "arcade-ian" before long... I think it would be great if they put some cobblestones down at La Source. I know they used to be there, not sure if they were still there in 1967 though. -- Tony Whitley GPLRank +12.8

All the old pictures I have of Bremgarten show a cobbled track surface - must have been a real bone-shaker to drive. - Michael In article <7hcH5.11133$[email hidden]>, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l e y @ nStPlAwMorld.com> says... > I think it would be great if they put some cobblestones down at La Source. I > know they used to be there, not sure if they were still there in 1967 > though. >

I don't think anything other than an Auto-Union or a Mercedes won a race in the late 30's. The Italians even made Tripoli a 1.5 litre race only to try and favour their cars but Mercedes built a special model and won it by miles. - Michael In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > How about the Alfa Bimotor. It sure had the power. I dont know about the > handling. >

"MichaelJP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I don't think anything other than an Auto-Union or a > Mercedes won a race in the late 30's. The Italians even > made Tripoli a 1.5 litre race only to try and favour their > cars but Mercedes built a special model and won > it by miles. Nah, Alfa-Romeo, ERA, Maserati, Delage, Bugatii, MG and Austin scored more than there fair share of wins during the period of 1935 - 1940. Auto-Union and Mercedes won most of the big ones though: http://www.forix.com/asp/__cp.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0 - George

"MichaelJP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > These aren't highlighted on the Forix site, but I'll find out tonight > in my reference books. Just for interest's sake:-) OK, no need to wait until then though (they are listed on Forix, just not marked as part of the European Championship). A better site for the early stuff is: http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/main.htm Look under 'tables' for the European Championship. Doing so yields only a single non-Auto Union/Mercedes-Benz victory: Tazio Nuvolari in an Alfa Romeo at the 1935 German GP. Enjoy the website! - George

I'm really talking about the races that counted for the European Championship between 1937-39. These aren't highlighted on the Forix site, but I'll find out tonight in my reference books. Just for interest's sake:-) - Michael In article <udjH5.2$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> > "MichaelJP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I don't think anything other than an Auto-Union or a > > Mercedes won a race in the late 30's. The Italians even > > made Tripoli a 1.5 litre race only to try and favour their > > cars but Mercedes built a special model and won > > it by miles. > > Nah, Alfa-Romeo, ERA, Maserati, Delage, Bugatii, MG and > Austin scored more than there fair share of wins during the > period of 1935 - 1940. Auto-Union and Mercedes won > most of the big ones though: > > http://www.forix.com/asp/__cp.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0

I wish some talented guys could get a hold of a "leaked" copy of the SoS source code. They might make a good game out of it. Look at Falcon 4. /petern P.S. Yes, I like poking in old wounds. On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:32:16 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I think the previously released SoS 1937 would derail any attempt at more >30's era sims....it was that bad. >dave henrie

Try http://home.c2i.net/igplc/edring/ Stefan "Mark.seery" wrote: > > Edring? > > MS > > Edring and Pantsring are around already, and JTRC *might* be finished > > before the next Ice Age...

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > there still is a market for a good '30s sim. Sorry but we are all dreaming if we think that there is a good market for historical racing simulation, whatever the decade it models. It's just not popular, but I'm sure many of us would love to see one ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Thank you :-) MS "Stefan Magnusson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Try > > http://home.c2i.net/igplc/edring/ > > Stefan > > > > "Mark.seery" wrote: > > > > Edring? > > > > MS > > > Edring and Pantsring are around already, and JTRC *might* be finished > > > before the next Ice Age...

I think you're right, there isn't really a market, but there is nearly enough editors and stuff around to do a very passable amateur effort. Maybe when I retire... - Michael

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> "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > > there still is a market for a good '30s sim. > > > Sorry but we are all dreaming if we think that there is a good market for > historical racing simulation, whatever the decade it models. It's just not > popular, but I'm sure many of us would love to see one ;-) > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

That's a great site - thanks. Looking in "Racing the Silver Arrows - by Chris Nixon" for the years 1937-39, Auto-Union and Mercedes failed to win only 4 of the European Championship races. You're right though in that there were plenty of other minor races set for different classes where the lesser teams had a chance to win - mainly due to the fact that AU and MB weren't competing though. - Michael In article <ajkH5.9$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> > These aren't highlighted on the Forix site, but I'll find out tonight > > in my reference books. Just for interest's sake:-) > > OK, no need to wait until then though (they are listed on Forix, just > not marked as part of the European Championship). A better site > for the early stuff is: > > http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/main.htm > > Look under 'tables' for the European Championship. Doing so yields > only a single non-Auto Union/Mercedes-Benz victory: Tazio Nuvolari > in an Alfa Romeo at the 1935 German GP. > > Enjoy the website! > > - George