GPL Graphics Problem/Question

Howdy folks, I'm having intermittent problems with the graphics in GPL. I recently upgraded my processor so that I now have the option of running 1024x768 resolution. Since doing that, however, I have begun to get lock-ups and crashes to desktop. Curiously, it only happens when I'm driving off-line. Never happened to me in an on-line race and I cannot narrow it down to any specific thing happening (i.e. wheels interlocking, cars tumbling, using a certain marque of car, etc.) to cause it. I did have problems similar to this before, but it was caused by my V3 being overclocked. I set it back to normal and the crashes stopped. I'm using a V3-3000 AGP card, 3dfx in GPL and have the latest VooDoo 1.05(?) drivers. I've got mip-mapping disabled. I've got 3D wheels installed for all the cars and I've got the GPLEA Lotus, Brabham and Ferrari, as well as new dashes for the BRM and Eagle. I seem to get the most crashes with the aftermarket tracks, Goodwood in particular (which runs very slow even with the lo-res 3do files and lo-res textures). Do the textures and object files at some of these add-on tracks cause problems at certain resolutions? Could I be getting a conflict with some of the other add-on graphics? I know for a fact that one Murasama graphic add-on won't work with my card. Tracks won't load when it's installed. Maybe I've got another, more subtle graphics conflict. If I had to guess, I'd blame the 3D wheels. I'd hate to stop running them, though. Makes GPL look so much better. Does anyone know of any problems specifically pertaining to this? For now, running 800x600 or 920x690 (or whatever that intermediate resolution V3 cards have is) seems to be working. Any suggestions would be appreciated. -Chris- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Mon 16 Oct 2000 06:37:18p, Chris Cavin wrote: >Howdy folks, > >I'm having intermittent problems with the graphics in GPL. <snip> >I did have >problems similar to this before, but it was caused by my V3 being >overclocked. I set it back to normal and the crashes stopped.<snip> Hmm. I'm no expert, but you *might* have permanently damaged your card. You can do it by overheating CPUs, after all. >920x690 (or whatever that intermediate resolution V3 cards >have is)<snip> 960x720 - I had to dig that one out for GPL Assistant... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.86) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Possibly, but I'm doubting it. I recall reading at the time of others who had overclocked their V3-3000 cards farther than I had and ran them there all the time. My card ran well for six months after I put it back to the stock settings. > Hmm. I'm no expert, but you *might* have permanently damaged your > card. You can do it by overheating CPUs, after all. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Chris... Several things can be causing your lock ups....especially with a V3 card and GPL. What ram do you have and what cup....make a huge difference (faster is better, more ram is better...minimum 128 mg....I run 384 mgs). Also, your mother board BIOS settings need to be properly set.....several settings you can "get away with" running N3 or other less "cpu intensive" games....but not GPL. There are several sites that can give you the proper BIOS tweaks for your brand of motherboard. Additionally, your V3 "Advanced Settings" configuration not only will affect the V3 lockup frequency...but having them set properly can substantially improve frame rate...and graphic quality. Again, go to the 3dfx Interactive site Forums...where many links to 3dfx V-3 Tweaks and Settings links can be found. Finally, you should probably be running your desktop in 16bit, High Color rather than 32 bit....that can often be a problem with GPL locking up during game play. And, I assume you have the GPL installation patched up with the latest from Sierra/Papy (version 1.2 patch). And, if all this doesn't help....trying installing the D3D Patch from Papyrus. I run that now (about two weeks now) and it has given me a 20% increase in FPS....and better graphic quality. I'm sorry I can't give you all the URL's for these links and sites...I am not at my home computer and don't have these on this friend's computer....sorry. Hope this helps you....I'm almost positive one or more of them will. Regards, Tom "Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8sfecc$p9k$[email hidden]...

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> Howdy folks, > > I'm having intermittent problems with the graphics in GPL. I recently > upgraded my processor so that I now have the option of running 1024x768 > resolution. Since doing that, however, I have begun to get lock-ups > and crashes to desktop. Curiously, it only happens when I'm driving > off-line. Never happened to me in an on-line race and I cannot narrow > it down to any specific thing happening (i.e. wheels interlocking, cars > tumbling, using a certain marque of car, etc.) to cause it. I did have > problems similar to this before, but it was caused by my V3 being > overclocked. I set it back to normal and the crashes stopped. > > I'm using a V3-3000 AGP card, 3dfx in GPL and have the latest VooDoo > 1.05(?) drivers. I've got mip-mapping disabled. I've got 3D wheels > installed for all the cars and I've got the GPLEA Lotus, Brabham and > Ferrari, as well as new dashes for the BRM and Eagle. I seem to get > the most crashes with the aftermarket tracks, Goodwood in particular > (which runs very slow even with the lo-res 3do files and lo-res > textures). Do the textures and object files at some of these add-on > tracks cause problems at certain resolutions? Could I be getting a > conflict with some of the other add-on graphics? I know for a fact > that one Murasama graphic add-on won't work with my card. Tracks won't > load when it's installed. Maybe I've got another, more subtle graphics > conflict. If I had to guess, I'd blame the 3D wheels. I'd hate to > stop running them, though. Makes GPL look so much better. Does anyone > know of any problems specifically pertaining to this? For now, running > 800x600 or 920x690 (or whatever that intermediate resolution V3 cards > have is) seems to be working. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > -Chris- > > **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

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> A shot in the dark here, but maybe your new CPU is generating > more heat inside the case and so your graphics card is still > overheating at the higher res. Have you tried removing the > casing to see if it still happens? > > <snip> > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > > No person's opinions can be said to be > more correct than another's, because each is > the sole judge of his or her own experience. >

Hehe. Never put the case back on after I put in the processor. I've got a new motherboard installed now and it seems to have helped. Only one lock up since installation. I'm gonna knock out all the add-on graphics this evening and run for several weeks to see if that was it. -Chris- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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> > Possibly, but I'm doubting it. I recall reading at the time of > > others who had overclocked their V3-3000 cards farther than I > > had and ran them there all the time. My card ran well for six > > months after I put it back to the stock settings. > > Ditto. I had got the similer problem with Voodoo3. > Chris, before wast your money, try to 'clean (= completely)' re- > install GPL and test some races without addons, especially GPLEA > cars. > > I had doubted broking my Voodoo3 too., so re-perchase new Voodoo3, > but it just cleared the old card was not broken. > > GPLEA guys look like making the cars with larger memory video cards > like Voodoo5 or GeForse, so Voodoo3's smaller memory cannot handle > them correctly, I think. > > Good luck.

Yoshi, Thank you for your suggestion. I used the GPLEA cars from the time they were first released and had no problems until I installed the new processor. When I put the new processor in I was able to use 1024x768 resolution for the first time. You are probably right that the GPLEA cars or one of the other graphics add-ons I am using are conflicting with my V3-3000 card at the 1024x768 resolution. I will re-install GPL tonight and run without any add-on graphics for several weeks and see what happens. -Chris- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

"Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8sfohn$2ug$[email hidden]... > Possibly, but I'm doubting it. I recall reading at the time of others > who had overclocked their V3-3000 cards farther than I had and ran them > there all the time. My card ran well for six months after I put it > back to the stock settings. Ditto. I had got the similer problem with Voodoo3. Chris, before wast your money, try to 'clean (= completely)' re-install GPL and test some races without addons, especially GPLEA cars. I had doubted broking my Voodoo3 too., so re-perchase new Voodoo3, but it just cleared the old card was not broken. GPLEA guys look like making the cars with larger memory video cards like Voodoo5 or GeForse, so Voodoo3's smaller memory cannot handle them correctly, I think. Good luck. Y.Minami

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>Howdy folks, > >I'm having intermittent problems with the graphics in GPL. I recently >upgraded my processor so that I now have the option of running 1024x768 >resolution. Since doing that, however, I have begun to get lock-ups >and crashes to desktop. Curiously, it only happens when I'm driving >off-line. Never happened to me in an on-line race and I cannot narrow >it down to any specific thing happening (i.e. wheels interlocking, cars >tumbling, using a certain marque of car, etc.) to cause it. I did have >problems similar to this before, but it was caused by my V3 being >overclocked. I set it back to normal and the crashes stopped. >

A shot in the dark here, but maybe your new CPU is generating more heat inside the case and so your graphics card is still overheating at the higher res. Have you tried removing the casing to see if it still happens? <snip> -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

Chris , > I'm having intermittent problems with the graphics in GPL. I recently > upgraded my processor so that I now have the option of running 1024x768 Had the same problem after installing a new CPU. It went away after 2 weeks or so. I've seen this before. Apparently new CPU's need burn-in time too. So give it some time and don't do anything drastic yet. Good luck, Leo