Re: 70's Trans Am fans....

Nothing there that I can see -- what am I missing or overlooking??? -- JB In article <hgaI5.3007$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> take a look at the news section of the USpits...I think you will > be pleased. > > -- > dave henrie > Free the ICR2 source code! > >

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take a look at the news section of the USpits...I think you will be pleased. -- dave henrie Free the ICR2 source code!

On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 05:58:37 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >take a look at the news section of the USpits...I think you will >be pleased. I *finally* get to drive a Cuda in the heat of battle. I absolutely cannot wait. Paul the Cat =^..^= "We've been sleeping all our lives -- At last we can open our eyes." -- Carly Simon

[email hidden] wrote: > > Nothing there that I can see -- what am I missing or overlooking??? "Pits Presents for our birthday..." Nothing there that strikes you ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

The Pits have been running the TPTCC offline for 3 years. You will be pleased with Jan's AI. He usually concocts a very agressive bunch of S.O.B.'s who think my car is their personal punting jig. dave henrie THERE HAD BETTER BE AN AAR 'CUDA IN THERE BOYS! "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Great news, Goy. > Although the on-line capability is of no interest, the Trans-Am stuff > certainly is....if it is capable of off-line racing. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > [email hidden] wrote: > > > > > > Nothing there that I can see -- what am I missing or overlooking??? > > > > "Pits Presents for our birthday..." > > > > Nothing there that strikes you ? :-) > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com > >

Yep...I ran one season of the TPTCC...the first one, I think. Thanks Dave. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sVpI5.5609$[email hidden]... > The Pits have been running the TPTCC offline for 3 years. You will be > pleased with Jan's AI. He usually concocts a very agressive bunch of > S.O.B.'s

Great news, Goy. Although the on-line capability is of no interest, the Trans-Am stuff certainly is....if it is capable of off-line racing. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > [email hidden] wrote: > > > > Nothing there that I can see -- what am I missing or overlooking??? > > "Pits Presents for our birthday..." > > Nothing there that strikes you ? :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > The Pits have been running the TPTCC offline for 3 years. You will be > pleased with Jan's AI. He usually concocts a very agressive bunch of > S.O.B.'s > who think my car is their personal punting jig. > dave henrie > THERE HAD BETTER BE AN AAR 'CUDA IN THERE BOYS!

Cuda ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > BARRAcuda. > (Did they race in the 1970's Trans-Am? Doesn't ring a bell with me). Ahh, the Mopar thingy, no wonder I couldn't remember, I'm only interested in cars..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

:-) Now THEMS will be fightin' wurrds fer some people out here, Uncle! -- BK. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > BARRAcuda. > > (Did they race in the 1970's Trans-Am? Doesn't ring a bell with me). > > Ahh, the Mopar thingy, no wonder I couldn't remember, I'm only > interested in cars..... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

I was reliably informed by the previous poster that yes, the 'Cuda and even a Dodge Challenger raced in the 1970 Trans-Am. Checking through my collection of Vintage Motorsport indeed proves this to be true, with a pic of Sam Posey hustling the Challenger around Laguna Seca and Dan Gurney driving the AAR Barracuda at the same circuit. So there y' go. -- BK. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > BARRAcuda. > > (Did they race in the 1970's Trans-Am? Doesn't ring a bell with me). > > Ahh, the Mopar thingy, no wonder I couldn't remember, I'm only > interested in cars..... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

> say what you will about the Mopar label, but I have only one reply: >426 ci Hemi. or 440 six-pack Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

BARRAcuda. (Did they race in the 1970's Trans-Am? Doesn't ring a bell with me). -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > > The Pits have been running the TPTCC offline for 3 years. You will be > > pleased with Jan's AI. He usually concocts a very agressive bunch of > > S.O.B.'s > > who think my car is their personal punting jig. > > dave henrie > > THERE HAD BETTER BE AN AAR 'CUDA IN THERE BOYS! > > Cuda ? > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > BARRAcuda. > > (Did they race in the 1970's Trans-Am? Doesn't ring a bell with me). > > Ahh, the Mopar thingy, no wonder I couldn't remember, I'm only > interested in cars..... >

Now Goy.... say what you will about the Mopar label, but I have only one reply: 426 ci Hemi. dave henrie(don't ask about the last 30 years tho....hehehe)

Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > > > BARRAcuda. > > > (Did they race in the 1970's Trans-Am? Doesn't ring a bell with me). > > > > Ahh, the Mopar thingy, no wonder I couldn't remember, I'm only > > interested in cars..... > > > Now Goy.... > say what you will about the Mopar label, but I have only one reply: > 426 ci Hemi. > dave henrie(don't ask about the last 30 years tho....hehehe)

Yeah, you and Jan both eh, Superbird next ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > :-) > Now THEMS will be fightin' wurrds fer some people out here, Uncle! Why, I only speketh the truth ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On 24 Oct 2000 22:15:14 GMT, [email hidden] (Target 12) wrote: >> say what you will about the Mopar label, but I have only one reply: >>426 ci Hemi. > >or 440 six-pack If you are talking about Gurney's AAR 'cuda and the correspoding Dodge Challenger, you are talking about a 340 6-pak. ~daxe

Unless I'm mistook (wouldn't be the first time), one of the original AAR 'cudas runs in vintage car races on the west coast. The driver is Gary Savage, son of Swede Savage, who was a Gurney protoge, killed at Indy (can't remember what year). John Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> > I was reliably informed by the previous poster that yes, the 'Cuda and even > a Dodge Challenger raced in the 1970 Trans-Am. > Checking through my collection of Vintage Motorsport indeed proves this to > be true, with a pic of Sam Posey hustling the Challenger around Laguna Seca > and Dan Gurney driving the AAR Barracuda at the same circuit. > > So there y' go. > -- > BK. > --------------------------- > > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > > > BARRAcuda. > > > (Did they race in the 1970's Trans-Am? Doesn't ring a bell with me). > > > > Ahh, the Mopar thingy, no wonder I couldn't remember, I'm only > > interested in cars..... > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

> If you are talking about Gurney's AAR 'cuda and the correspoding Dodge > Challenger, you are talking about a 340 6-pak. > > ~daxe > Per Trans Am Rules the engine size limit is 5.0 liters, or roughly 305 Cubic Inches so Gurneys AAR Cudas did not run 340 Cubic Inch motors. Also I doubt the use of three two Barrall carbs, on the AAR Cudas since a Holley 4150 series carb was most likely used. Dave

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>>or 440 six-pack > > >If you are talking about Gurney's AAR 'cuda and the correspoding Dodge >Challenger, you are talking about a 340 6-pak. > >~daxe >

nah, I was just talking about the 440 in general Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

On 25 Oct 2000 00:15:01 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > >> If you are talking about Gurney's AAR 'cuda and the correspoding Dodge >> Challenger, you are talking about a 340 6-pak. >> >> ~daxe >> > >Per Trans Am Rules the engine size limit is 5.0 liters, or roughly 305 >Cubic Inches so Gurneys AAR Cudas did not run 340 Cubic Inch motors. Also >I doubt the use of three two Barrall carbs, on the AAR Cudas since a >Holley 4150 series carb was most likely used.

You are correct, I guess I was referring to the street cars which did have 340s and 3-2bbls. ~daxe

"David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01c03def$37788fe0$2fd3fc3f@packardbell...

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> > > If you are talking about Gurney's AAR 'cuda and the correspoding Dodge > > Challenger, you are talking about a 340 6-pak. > > > > ~daxe > > > > Per Trans Am Rules the engine size limit is 5.0 liters, or roughly 305 > Cubic Inches so Gurneys AAR Cudas did not run 340 Cubic Inch motors. Also > I doubt the use of three two Barrall carbs, on the AAR Cudas since a > Holley 4150 series carb was most likely used. > > Dave

Name ONE team that followed the Trans Am rules? :)

Daxe writ: > >If you are talking about Gurney's AAR 'cuda and the correspoding Dodge > >Challenger, you are talking about a 340 6-pak. The Trans-Am versions were, of course, limited to 305ci, and a single 4bbl carb. BB

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > >...though Keith Black's engines for Posey's > team supposedly showed 500 hp on the dyno...." Too bad Posey couldn't drive! My favorite Trans-Am moment: Peter Revson beatin' the crap out of Posey (with mechanic legend Carroll Smith trying to pull Revson off him) after Posey bunted Revson's Javelin into the boonies. Got a picture of it somewhere around here (don't I always?)

Sam received a letter from Stirling Moss about that incident. Moss complimented Posey (and Revson) on the passion that they showed for their racing, something unexpected in two young "rich racers". I thought Posey was a pretty able driver, Bart? His results in he Trans-Am were okay and elsewhere (Can-Am, F5000, Sports Cars) he wasn't unsuccessful. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > >...though Keith Black's engines for Posey's > > team supposedly showed 500 hp on the dyno...." > > Too bad Posey couldn't drive! My favorite Trans-Am moment: Peter Revson > beatin' the crap out of Posey (with mechanic legend Carroll Smith trying > to pull Revson off him) after Posey bunted Revson's Javelin into the > boonies. Got a picture of it somewhere around here (don't I always?)

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > I thought Posey was a pretty able driver, Bart? His results in he Trans-Am > were okay and elsewhere (Can-Am, F5000, Sports Cars) he wasn't unsuccessful. Well, I'm sure he's a better driver than I'll ever be, I just hate listening to him... He never did very well in CanAm, saddling himself with goofy experimental cars (Caldwell D7) and various clapped-out lumps. He won Sebring in 1975 (it was an IMSA event). He did fairly well in F5000 but was involved in some spectacular shunts. He did have the highest placed Ferrari at LeMans in 1970 and '71 (fourth in 1970 in a 512S Coda Lunga, 3d in '71 with a 512M, both NART-entered, both times paired with CanAm midfield runner and Polish Racing Drivers' Association Prez Tony Adamowicz)... yeah, he did OK, but why can't they shut him up? Huh?

Penske, Shelby, Bud Moore. AAR. The displacment rules are easy to check. I think one guy who did not follow the rules was Smokey Yunick and well his Camaro was disassembled before the race. Dave Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in article <VFsJ5.13308$[email hidden]>... > "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:01c03def$37788fe0$2fd3fc3f@packardbell... > > > > > If you are talking about Gurney's AAR 'cuda and the correspodingDodge

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> > > Challenger, you are talking about a 340 6-pak. > > > > > > ~daxe > > > > > > > Per Trans Am Rules the engine size limit is 5.0 liters, or roughly 305 > > Cubic Inches so Gurneys AAR Cudas did not run 340 Cubic Inch motors.

Also

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> > I doubt the use of three two Barrall carbs, on the AAR Cudas since a > > Holley 4150 series carb was most likely used. > > > > Dave > Name ONE team that followed the Trans Am rules? :) > > > >

Bud Moore? REALLY? ANd PENSKE? c'mon... The Boss 302 chassis and body were hand built and only 7/8ths original size. Penske (I think it was him) had the Landau top, not for Aero advantage but to cover up the acid thinned roof that wouldn't support it's own weight. The drivers always climbed in the Mustang's windows, why? the doors worked but they were acid slimmed also and if you slammed them the whole body panel wiggled... :) Smokey's car even got banned in Nascar undercard races.. :) No I think the rule book was for show only... dave henrie "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01c03ec1$c9400480$b6d4fc3f@packardbell...

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> > Penske, Shelby, Bud Moore. AAR. > > The displacment rules are easy to check. I think one guy who did not > follow the rules was Smokey Yunick and well his Camaro was disassembled > before the race. > > Dave > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in article > <VFsJ5.13308$[email hidden]>... > > "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:01c03def$37788fe0$2fd3fc3f@packardbell... > > > > > > > If you are talking about Gurney's AAR 'cuda and the correspoding > Dodge > > > > Challenger, you are talking about a 340 6-pak. > > > > > > > > ~daxe > > > > > > > > > > Per Trans Am Rules the engine size limit is 5.0 liters, or roughly 305 > > > Cubic Inches so Gurneys AAR Cudas did not run 340 Cubic Inch motors. > Also > > > I doubt the use of three two Barrall carbs, on the AAR Cudas since a > > > Holley 4150 series carb was most likely used. > > > > > > Dave > > Name ONE team that followed the Trans Am rules? :) > > > > > > > >

"John Zumsteg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Unless I'm mistook (wouldn't be the first time), one of the original AAR > 'cudas runs in vintage car races on the west coast. The driver is Gary > Savage, son of Swede Savage, who was a Gurney protoge, killed at Indy > (can't remember what year). > > John Geez John, you will NOT beleive what I just found, totally by accident.... check out this page, read the lower of the two links first, then the trans am 2 link. http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=trans+am&sp-a=00020a61-sp00000000 it is a small world....:) dave henrie

According to Page 50 of Vintage Motorsport, March/April 1996, they (the Cudas and Challengers) "....carried 304-c.i. V-8s redlined at 8,500 rpm. Power was in the 450-hp range.....though Keith Black's engines for Posey's team supposedly showed 500 hp on the dyno...." -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- David <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01c03def$37788fe0$2fd3fc3f@packardbell... > > > > > If you are talking about Gurney's AAR 'cuda and the correspoding Dodge > > Challenger, you are talking about a 340 6-pak. > > > > ~daxe > > > > Per Trans Am Rules the engine size limit is 5.0 liters, or roughly 305 > Cubic Inches so Gurneys AAR Cudas did not run 340 Cubic Inch motors. Also > I doubt the use of three two Barrall carbs, on the AAR Cudas since a > Holley 4150 series carb was most likely used. > > Dave

Dave Henrie wrote: > > The Boss 302 chassis and body were ... only 7/8ths original size. Not exactly true. > Penske (I think it was him) had the Landau top, not for Aero advantage but to > cover up the acid thinned roof that wouldn't support it's own weight. Actually, that was Posey in the Dodge Challenger... > The drivers always climbed in the Mustang's windows, why? the doors worked but > they were acid slimmed also and if you slammed them > the whole body panel wiggled... :) While it's true almost everybody acid-dipped, the doors were shut because the rules required them to be shut. > Smokey's car even got banned in Nascar undercard races.. :) The Ol' Smoke was often more sinned-against than sinning, though -- there's a hilarious letter (quoted in Leo Levine's too-long-out-of-print masterpiece "Ford: The Dust and the Glory") from Smokey to Bill France, Sr. talking about how he got put out of the race at Darlington by some massive underhanded chicanery from his rivals... but he *was* the best damn cheater in town: when SCCA's T/A series chief tech inspector John Timanus stripped down one of Smokey's Trans-Am entries and cited him for just about every violation in the rules book (yes, Virgina; there *was* a rules book...), Smoke said to him "well, you got all but one." He then proceeded to drive away in the car ... from which every drop of fuel had supposedly been drained (Ol' Smoke had some secret tanks here and there around the car). While Penske certainly acid-dipped the Camaros and Javelins (and, like Bud Moore and most everybody else, added a little more "wigglin' space" inside the wheelwells), the Penske effort was very clean and above-board in every other respect -- but when the manufacturers were in it and MAJOR money was being thrown around, things got done by everyone that were *very* hard to detect. Once the manufacturers left, nobody had enough money to cheat good... BTW, I suppose this is fairly well-known, but the Mustang in Steve McQueens "Bullet" was a Bud Moore job -- and McQueen got to do VERY little, if any, of the driving in the fantastic chase scene: his stuntman pal Bud Ekins (who also got to do the barbed-wire jump in the great escape) showed up on the set before McQueen did on the day they shot the chase sequence, so the director put him in the car...

Oh...I didn't realise that he was a verbal diarrhoea exponent. Thinks the sun shines out of his bum, does he? -- BK --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, I'm sure he's a better driver than I'll ever be, I just hate > listening to him... (snipped race results) > ... yeah, he did OK, but why can't they shut him up?

I think you're perfectly correct, John, if reports in some of the Vintage Motorsport mags are anything to go by. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- John Zumsteg <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Unless I'm mistook (wouldn't be the first time), one of the original AAR > 'cudas runs in vintage car races on the west coast. The driver is Gary > Savage, son of Swede Savage, who was a Gurney protoge, killed at Indy > (can't remember what year). > > John > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > I was reliably informed by the previous poster that yes, the 'Cuda and even > > a Dodge Challenger raced in the 1970 Trans-Am. > > Checking through my collection of Vintage Motorsport indeed proves this to > > be true, with a pic of Sam Posey hustling the Challenger around Laguna Seca > > and Dan Gurney driving the AAR Barracuda at the same circuit. > > > > So there y' go. > > -- > > BK. > > --------------------------- > > > > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > > > > > BARRAcuda. > > > > (Did they race in the 1970's Trans-Am? Doesn't ring a bell with me). > > > > > > Ahh, the Mopar thingy, no wonder I couldn't remember, I'm only > > > interested in cars..... > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > > > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Cool! Thanks for the info...see what happens when too many memories run together...?? dave henrie "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > > The Boss 302 chassis and body were ... only 7/8ths original size. > > Not exactly true.

Sam Posey said that after the first race of 1970 he could see the road through the transmission tunnel, so badly cracked had the unibody become due to WAY too much metal being removed in the acid tank! -- BK. --------------------------- Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ndNJ5.15181$[email hidden]... > Bud Moore? REALLY? ANd PENSKE? c'mon... > The Boss 302 chassis and body were hand built and > only 7/8ths original size. Penske (I think it was him) > had the Landau top, not for Aero advantage but to > cover up the acid thinned roof that wouldn't support > it's own weight. The drivers always climbed in the > Mustang's windows, why? the doors worked but > they were acid slimmed also and if you slammed them > the whole body panel wiggled... :) > Smokey's car even got banned in Nascar undercard > races.. :) No I think the rule book was for show > only... > dave henrie > > "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:01c03ec1$c9400480$b6d4fc3f@packardbell... > > > > Penske, Shelby, Bud Moore. AAR. > > > > The displacment rules are easy to check. I think one guy who did not > > follow the rules was Smokey Yunick and well his Camaro was disassembled > > before the race. > > > > Dave > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in article > > <VFsJ5.13308$[email hidden]>... > > > "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:01c03def$37788fe0$2fd3fc3f@packardbell... > > > > > > > > > If you are talking about Gurney's AAR 'cuda and the correspoding > > Dodge > > > > > Challenger, you are talking about a 340 6-pak. > > > > > > > > > > ~daxe > > > > > > > > > > > > > Per Trans Am Rules the engine size limit is 5.0 liters, or roughly 305 > > > > Cubic Inches so Gurneys AAR Cudas did not run 340 Cubic Inch motors. > > Also > > > > I doubt the use of three two Barrall carbs, on the AAR Cudas since a > > > > Holley 4150 series carb was most likely used. > > > > > > > > Dave > > > Name ONE team that followed the Trans Am rules? :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Americans are so provincial -- I'd forgotten that we're the only corner of the globe forced to take much of our televised racing with a heavy dose of commentary by ABC/Cap Cities/ESPN/Speedvision in-house Poet Laureate, "Silent" Sam Posey. The man is actually a fine writer (his article in 1971 or thereabouts for Car and Driver on what it's like to race LeMans is a classic), but as a commentator he rambles, dithers, babbles, goes off on wildly-divergent tangents, and steps all over his co-announcers (Steve Matchett/David Hobbs/Bob Varsha/whomever), usually just as they are A.) saying something interesting and germane to the action, or B.) at the very moment when something is actually *happening* on the track. When Hakkinen's car has just erupted in flames, for instance, Sam will go right on blathering about Phi-Phi Etancelin's choice of raceday underwear at Sanremo in 1951, while his fellow boothmates will vainly try to point out that a thrilling moment (one of a maximum of three allowed by the FIA per race) is now in progress. Sometimes you like to think that it's because most of the F1 races are covered from a windowless room in Bristol, Connecticut, by three poor schlubs watching the world feed just like the home viewer, but Posey was just as maddeningly avuncular at this year's USGP at Indy, where they were actually AT THE RACE (what a concept!). I once asked Paul Page (who used to participate in one of the online motorsports fora) why they kept Posey on. He said that ABC appreciates Posey's very long-term loyalty. Posey makes Murray Wilson sound like Homer... Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > [re: Silent Sam Posey] Oh...I didn't realise that he was a verbal diarrhoea exponent. Thinks the > sun shines out of his bum, does he?

Dave Henrie wrote: > > Cool! Thanks for the info...see what happens when too many memories > run together...?? I'm lucky if I can get my memory to run at all!

(snipped) > Posey makes Murray Wilson sound like Homer...(unsnipped) HAAAA! That one line explained it all! Thanks Barton. -- BK. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Americans are so provincial -- I'd forgotten that we're the only corner > of the globe forced to take much of our televised racing with a heavy > dose of commentary by ABC/Cap Cities/ESPN/Speedvision in-house Poet > Laureate, "Silent" Sam Posey. (several lines of anecdotal text snipped in the interests of maintaining the speed of light) > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > [re: Silent Sam Posey] Oh...I didn't realise that he was a verbal diarrhoea exponent. Thinks the > > sun shines out of his bum, does he?

"This has been a great season for Nelson Piquet, as he is now known, and always has been" (M. Walker) Not quite dactylic hexameter, but close enough! --David "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> (snipped) > > Posey makes Murray Wilson sound like Homer... > (unsnipped) > > HAAAA! > That one line explained it all! > Thanks Barton.

Dave, Thanks for the link. I bumped into Gary Savage because he also races a Datsun 510 and is an active participant on a Datsun 510 listserv. A couple years ago when my son and I were rebuilding and "tweaking" his 510, we subscribed to the list. I saw a post by Gary, emailed him asking if he was indeed Swede's son, and had a very nice email correspondence with him. Good guy. I wasn't sure if his 'Cuda was an original, and I certainly didn't realize it was the one his dad and Gurney had driven. John Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > "John Zumsteg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Unless I'm mistook (wouldn't be the first time), one of the original AAR > > 'cudas runs in vintage car races on the west coast. The driver is Gary > > Savage, son of Swede Savage, who was a Gurney protoge, killed at Indy > > (can't remember what year). > > > > John > Geez John, you will NOT beleive what I just found, totally by > accident.... > check out this page, read the lower of the two links first, then the trans > am 2 link. > http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=trans+am&sp-a=00020a61-sp00000000 > it is a small world....:) > dave henrie

Wasn't there a Murrayism that went something like: "Unless I am very much mistaken, I am very much mistaken" ? David Karr wrote:

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> > "This has been a great season for Nelson Piquet, as he is now known, and > always has been" (M. Walker) > > Not quite dactylic hexameter, but close enough! > > --David

Oh...there are some LOVELY examples of Mr. Walker's (Wilson's?!) Homeric style. Once was a site devoted to Murrayisms...dunno if it still exists. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- David Karr <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8tajhm$rtu$[email hidden]... > "This has been a great season for Nelson Piquet, as he is now known, and > always has been" (M. Walker) > > Not quite dactylic hexameter, but close enough! > > --David > > > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > (snipped) > > > Posey makes Murray Wilson sound like Homer... > > (unsnipped) > > > > HAAAA! > > That one line explained it all! > > Thanks Barton. > > >

If there wasn't then there sure should've been! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Wasn't there a Murrayism that went something like: "Unless I am very > much mistaken, I am very much mistaken" ? > > David Karr wrote: > > > > "This has been a great season for Nelson Piquet, as he is now known, and > > always has been" (M. Walker) > > > > Not quite dactylic hexameter, but close enough! > > > > --David

Try the sites below: (courtesy of David Chrick post in rec.autos.sportf1.moderated) Martin Brundle Quotes: http://members.tripod.com/~vidcad/martin_b.htm Murray Quotes can be found at: http://www.worldmotorsport.com/murray/ David "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Oh...there are some LOVELY examples of Mr. Walker's (Wilson's?!) Homeric > style. Once was a site devoted to Murrayisms...dunno if it still exists. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- >