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these are cool www.proseat.net

can I get one in England? as you are obviously from the company? -- Kieran www.pcracing.co.uk for GP3 and WSC A_Austin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > these are cool www.proseat.net > > > >

Looks cool ! Could be a problem that the chair will roll back when stepping hard on the pedals ?? "A_Austin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > these are cool www.proseat.net > > > >

Thanks for the spam, but considering the price of Kirkey seats, these are ridiculously expensive, and they don't look any too stable on those casters, either... A_Austin wrote: > > these are cool www.proseat.net

PMJI, but you'd be better off going to Demon Tweeks or the like and getting an inexpensive club-racing seat, then having your local ironmonger mount the thing on a solid base... IMHO, of course Kieran Larkin wrote:

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> > can I get one in England? as you are obviously from the company? > > -- > Kieran > www.pcracing.co.uk for GP3 and WSC > A_Austin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > these are cool www.proseat.net > > > > > > > >

Actually they sit vary still. I race N3, GP3, TOCA2 and the new DTRSC. I have more of a problem with my TSW pedals moving. The chair never moves unless I want to adjust to stretch my legs. J Skantse <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ssqj0$cfm$[email hidden]...

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> Looks cool ! > > Could be a problem that the chair will roll back when stepping hard on the > pedals ?? > > > > > "A_Austin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > these are cool www.proseat.net > > > > > > > > > >

Your welcome. Is this not a place to post messages about sims and simracing news??? That's what these chairs are for. And if they are so "ridiculously expensive" Why don't you make them and sell them cheaper? You can't! Not using the same quality parts and putting a lifetime guarantee on all the moving parts of the base and the actual seat. Our chairs have gone to WC race shops and the SONY corporation is currently using them for promotions also. Have a great day :-) Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks for the spam, but considering the price of Kirkey seats, these > are ridiculously expensive, and they don't look any too stable on those > casters, either... > > A_Austin wrote: > > > > these are cool www.proseat.net

Sorry but no. Over seas shipping is outrageous. If you would decide to make your own, I would be more than happy to help with the required components though. :-) Kieran Larkin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ssmmh$htt$[email hidden]...

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> can I get one in England? as you are obviously from the company? > > -- > Kieran > www.pcracing.co.uk for GP3 and WSC > A_Austin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > these are cool www.proseat.net > > > > > > > > > >

Kieran, I made my own. I used an old hifi cabinet (layed on it's back and cut in half ) for the base with a seat from a local breakers yard. Took about half an hour to assemble, cost �15 for the seat, already had the cabinet. I've been using it for over a year now. It's both very comfortable and very stable. You also get loads of storage space, or you could fit a subwoofer in the base (Which is my next project) :) You can take a look at http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/seat.jpg -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> A_Austin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Sorry but no. Over seas shipping is outrageous. If you would decide to > make your own, I would be more than happy to help with the required > components though. :-) > > > Kieran Larkin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8ssmmh$htt$[email hidden]... > > can I get one in England? as you are obviously from the company? > > > > -- > > Kieran > > www.pcracing.co.uk for GP3 and WSC > > A_Austin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > these are cool www.proseat.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

That looks quite compact and easy to move around. Somehow I don't think thats the same. Looks good though. Kinda like what I use but I have armrests. Michael K. Grandy Sr Proud Member of Precision Racing Professional Internet Race Team Member of Nass 2000 Pro Online Series Competitor in LikeReal LAN Tournaments Pro Division "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8sudg4$akh$[email hidden]... Kieran, I made my own. I used an old hifi cabinet (layed on it's back and cut in half ) for the base with a seat from a local breakers yard. Took about half an hour to assemble, cost £15 for the seat, already had the cabinet. I've been using it for over a year now. It's both very comfortable and very stable. You also get loads of storage space, or you could fit a subwoofer in the base (Which is my next project) :) You can take a look at http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/seat.jpg -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> A_Austin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Sorry but no. Over seas shipping is outrageous. If you would decide to > make your own, I would be more than happy to help with the required > components though. :-) > > > Kieran Larkin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8ssmmh$htt$[email hidden]... > > can I get one in England? as you are obviously from the company? > > > > -- > > Kieran > > www.pcracing.co.uk for GP3 and WSC > > A_Austin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > these are cool www.proseat.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I think that Barton was talking about you posting twice on this newsgroup, and then misrepresenting yourself, by never saying you weren't from the company. Also, this is a place to post about sims (the actual game) and sim racing news (news about the actual game) so this doesn't really fit into a company posting an ad on the internet. Just on my end, but I would rather by a nice executive chair for the 200 bucks and buy and put together a cockpit for racing. -Stuart Becktell "A_Austin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Your welcome. Is this not a place to post messages about sims andsimracing > news??? That's what these chairs are for. And if they are so"ridiculously > expensive" Why don't you make them and sell them cheaper? You can't!Not

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> using the same quality parts and putting a lifetime guarantee on all the > moving parts of the base and the actual seat. Our chairs have gone to WC > race shops and the SONY corporation is currently using them for promotions > also. Have a great day :-) > > > > > Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Thanks for the spam, but considering the price of Kirkey seats, these > > are ridiculously expensive, and they don't look any too stable on those > > casters, either... > > > > A_Austin wrote: > > > > > > these are cool www.proseat.net > >

A_Austin wrote: > > Your welcome. Is this not a place to post messages about sims and simracing > news??? Yes it is. By common netiquette and usage, however, it's not a place to post commercial advertisements for a business in which you have a vested interest, especially not repeatedly, and most especially not with coy messages that intimate that you are an uncompensated bystander who just happened to notice this product and brought it to the NG's attention out of the goodness of your heart: -------------------------------------- Subject: check these out Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:24:52 -0400 From: "A_Austin" <[email hidden]> ... these are cool www.proseat.net -------------------------------------- Subject: WOW Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:25:36 -0400 From: "A_Austin" <[email hidden]> ... www.proseat.net -------------------------------------- Note that there is no mention in the address (let alone the body!) of your message that indicates you are representing ProSeat. > And if they are so "ridiculously expensive" Why don't you make them and > sell them cheaper? You can't! Not using the same quality parts and > putting a lifetime guarantee on all the moving parts of the base and the > actual seat. Our chairs have gone to WC race shops and the SONY > corporation is currently using them for promotions also. "Wow"! indeed. They are ridiculously expensive compared to what Kirkey seats sell for. Your "standard" pro street is quoted at "$269.95 plus S/H $40". It is based on a Kirkey Economy Layback or Upright Double Rib Support seat, which even in 20� size has an MSRP of $135, cover included. Is your base -- a fairly common office-chair item -- really worth another $135? Kirkey, BTW, provides the lifetime warranty for the seat, so that costs ProSeat nothing. See: http://www.kirkeyracing.com Your top-of-the-price-chart ProSeat is priced as follows: 14"-17" $349.95 plus shipping 18" $369.95 plus shipping 20" $389.95 plus shipping 18" $369.95 plus shipping 20" $389.95 plus shipping It is based on the Kirkey Intermediate Layback series of seats, which have an MSRP of $200 (14"-17") to $250 (20"), cover included. So again, the addition of your base adds $150 to Kirkey's price. That must be some chair base. What everyday users would reasonably pay for something and what a cash-heavy corporate entity like SONY would pay are completely different kettles of fish, as anyone who's worked in procurement for a large corporation knows quite well. As a promotional write-off, SONY doesn't care much about price -- not the case, I would bet, with most soldiers in here. IMHO, if someone wanted a decent sim seat, they certainly wouldn't pick an aluminum double-rib support (or single-rib support, for that matter) seat like the Kirkey, fine piece of equipment for the racetrack that it certainly is ... if you'ver sat in one you realize in a hurry that what is a necessity for cornering in a vehicle generating 2+ Gs is just a pain in the ribs sitting still in front of your computer. The avid gamer would be better off with one of the polyethylene seats available from suppliers like JAZ: http://www.jazproducts.com/p3.htm POLYETHYLENE PRO-STOCK SEAT 12lbs. w/cover; $90 (vinyl cover) to $106 (vinyl w/velour insert) to $110 (all velour). (And NO, I have nothing whatsoever to do with JAZ or the American Plastics Council). Grab a chair base with locking casters from the local boneyard or your friendly neighborhood office store, and there you have it, for 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the ProSeat. But hey, it's YOUR money... BB

A voice crying in the wilderness! Thank you, Stuart -- it's nice to be understood, for a change! BB Stuart Becktell wrote: > > I think that Barton was talking about you posting twice on this newsgroup, > and then misrepresenting yourself, by never saying you weren't from the > company...`

Hey Barton, do you get paid for work you do. Is your time worth nothing? People go into business to turn a profit. Customers purchase items because they either need, want or have no desire to make it themselves. May be you're the one that ought to learn a little etiquite. Spam could be considered several different ways. Maybe you knocking someones product in a public forum could not only be considered rude, but also spam. If you have a problem with AA, take it to email. Michael K. Grandy Sr "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... A_Austin wrote: > > Your welcome. Is this not a place to post messages about sims and simracing > news??? Yes it is. By common netiquette and usage, however, it's not a place to post commercial advertisements for a business in which you have a vested interest, especially not repeatedly, and most especially not with coy messages that intimate that you are an uncompensated bystander who just happened to notice this product and brought it to the NG's attention out of the goodness of your heart: -------------------------------------- Subject: check these out Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:24:52 -0400 From: "A_Austin" <[email hidden]> ... these are cool www.proseat.net -------------------------------------- Subject: WOW Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:25:36 -0400 From: "A_Austin" <[email hidden]> ... www.proseat.net -------------------------------------- Note that there is no mention in the address (let alone the body!) of your message that indicates you are representing ProSeat. > And if they are so "ridiculously expensive" Why don't you make them and > sell them cheaper? You can't! Not using the same quality parts and > putting a lifetime guarantee on all the moving parts of the base and the > actual seat. Our chairs have gone to WC race shops and the SONY > corporation is currently using them for promotions also. "Wow"! indeed. They are ridiculously expensive compared to what Kirkey seats sell for. Your "standard" pro street is quoted at "$269.95 plus S/H $40". It is based on a Kirkey Economy Layback or Upright Double Rib Support seat, which even in 20° size has an MSRP of $135, cover included. Is your base -- a fairly common office-chair item -- really worth another $135? Kirkey, BTW, provides the lifetime warranty for the seat, so that costs ProSeat nothing. See: http://www.kirkeyracing.com Your top-of-the-price-chart ProSeat is priced as follows: 14"-17" $349.95 plus shipping 18" $369.95 plus shipping 20" $389.95 plus shipping 18" $369.95 plus shipping 20" $389.95 plus shipping It is based on the Kirkey Intermediate Layback series of seats, which have an MSRP of $200 (14"-17") to $250 (20"), cover included. So again, the addition of your base adds $150 to Kirkey's price. That must be some chair base. What everyday users would reasonably pay for something and what a cash-heavy corporate entity like SONY would pay are completely different kettles of fish, as anyone who's worked in procurement for a large corporation knows quite well. As a promotional write-off, SONY doesn't care much about price -- not the case, I would bet, with most soldiers in here. IMHO, if someone wanted a decent sim seat, they certainly wouldn't pick an aluminum double-rib support (or single-rib support, for that matter) seat like the Kirkey, fine piece of equipment for the racetrack that it certainly is ... if you'ver sat in one you realize in a hurry that what is a necessity for cornering in a vehicle generating 2+ Gs is just a pain in the ribs sitting still in front of your computer. The avid gamer would be better off with one of the polyethylene seats available from suppliers like JAZ: http://www.jazproducts.com/p3.htm POLYETHYLENE PRO-STOCK SEAT 12lbs. w/cover; $90 (vinyl cover) to $106 (vinyl w/velour insert) to $110 (all velour). (And NO, I have nothing whatsoever to do with JAZ or the American Plastics Council). Grab a chair base with locking casters from the local boneyard or your friendly neighborhood office store, and there you have it, for 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the ProSeat. But hey, it's YOUR money... BB

Michael K. Grandy Sr spewed: a lot, including a complete HTML-ized repost. Mikey -- "Spam could be considered several different ways." So could leprosy and love, but the definition of unsolicited commercial email is easy to find on the Web. Look it up. As for profit, one doubts that this commercial enterprise is paying full MSRP for Kirkey's product... but hey, if they can get people to pay twice the price for sticking a base on the things, goody for them. Just thought I'd provide a completely free public service by pointing out that these pups are no bargain, and that there are plenty of practical and serviceable alternatives. If you have a problem with my messages, take it to email -- or ignore them, as I shall yours. See how easy life can be? BB

Is this a little easier for you. as far as spewed goes, that what appears to come from you, not me. How do you figure what someone else does for a living is any of your business anyways. Thats what I thought, it isn't. I don't see any public service from you, just worthless dribble. But you are right, life will be easier with people like you in my killfile. Adios. Michael K. Grandy Sr "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Michael K. Grandy Sr spewed: a lot, including a complete HTML-ized repost. Mikey -- "Spam could be considered several different ways." So could leprosy and love, but the definition of unsolicited commercial email is easy to find on the Web. Look it up. As for profit, one doubts that this commercial enterprise is paying full MSRP for Kirkey's product... but hey, if they can get people to pay twice the price for sticking a base on the things, goody for them. Just thought I'd provide a completely free public service by pointing out that these pups are no bargain, and that there are plenty of practical and serviceable alternatives. If you have a problem with my messages, take it to email -- or ignore them, as I shall yours. See how easy life can be? BB

This is RAS, it doesn't matter what *you* think. ;-) Jan. =--- Mike Grandy wrote... > <snip> Thats what I thought, it isn't.<snip>

Yo' DAMN right! (But I'm talkin' bout' Shaft!). Dribble or drivel? YOU make the call! ==8^O BB Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> > This is RAS, it doesn't matter what *you* think. ;-) > > Jan. > =--- > Mike Grandy wrote... > > <snip> Thats what I thought, it isn't.<snip>

Py golly, I like a guy who answers his own questions. It *was* a question wasn't it? That's what I thought, it was. Ever notice how language skills are the first thing to go when the boyos get their thongs in a twist? At least his Spanish is still excellent. Mike Grandy wrote: > > How do you figure what someone else does for a living > is any of your business anyways. Thats what I thought, it isn't > ...worthless dribble...Adios...

Hmmm . . . I thought only Frank was allowed to speak from the point of view of The Universe. --David "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Yes it is. By common netiquette and usage, however, it's not a place . . .[snipped righteous indignation]. . . . > > BB

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > Aaaah! The old "kill-file" trick. > Well, Barton....this is ANOTHER fine mess you've gotten yerself into! But Ollie ... I'm so ashamed.

It most certainly isn't easy to move, it's filled with magazines ! ;) It could easily be fitted with castors should I need it movable though. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Mike Grandy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:X7CI5.68832$[email hidden]... That looks quite compact and easy to move around. Somehow I don't think thats the same. Looks good though. Kinda like what I use but I have armrests. Michael K. Grandy Sr Proud Member of Precision Racing Professional Internet Race Team Member of Nass 2000 Pro Online Series Competitor in LikeReal LAN Tournaments Pro Division

David Karr wrote: > > Hmmm . . . I thought only Frank was allowed to speak from the point of view > of The Universe. Have *you* accepted Frank as your personal savior? Do so today!

As well you should be, Stanley! -- BK --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > But Ollie ... > > I'm so ashamed.

Aaaah! The old "kill-file" trick. Well, Barton....this is ANOTHER fine mess you've gotten yerself into! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Mike Grandy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_FJI5.70136$[email hidden]... > life > will be easier with people like you in my killfile. Adios. >