Re: lotus 49 scale model (drool)

"Niels007" <[email hidden]> wrote: You should go up a few links and give the proper URL of: http://big.business.8m.com/Retro/introduction.htm as there is much more than a nice model to drool over. - George

In article <04vJ5.374443$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: >>"HainesLC" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Check out this model http://members.aol.com/slgrxs/kathy/kigal002.htm > > >I'm not sure if I had the choice between her or a real Lotus 49 which one I >would choose. Hmmmm...?? ;-) *What* Lotus 49...?<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

http://big.business.8m.com/Retro/modelpage1.htm#Model1 no need to say more :-) (there is a 'next page'too) Niels

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>You should go up a few links and give the proper >URL of: > >http://big.business.8m.com/Retro/introduction.htm > >as there is much more than a nice model to drool over. > >

Check out this model http://members.aol.com/slgrxs/kathy/kigal002.htm

I *thought* I recognized that site! If you'll check out the caption for the enlarged versions of the B&W pix of the Honda RA273 (one pic of the car in the Watkins Glen pits with Mauro Forghieri and Luigi Bazzi looking on, the other a close-up of the rather tatty Honda V12 -- these pix are just above the modern color photo of Surtees in the RA300 "Hondola" in the "3.0 litre period, 1966 and 1967 (pre-wings, pre-advertising)" section of the site) you'll note the images were taken by my friend S. Jerry Moore. I'd completely forgotten who I'd lent those images to -- thanks for prompting me to look! When I finally get my fat butt in gear and finish my site, I'll have a bunch more original images from the '65 - '67 season, as well as modern vintage event photos. It's not easy being lazy! BB "George M. Smiley" wrote:

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> > > You should go up a few links and give the proper > URL of: > > http://big.business.8m.com/Retro/introduction.htm > > as there is much more than a nice model to drool over. > > - George

Oh, and check out the color pic of Clark in the Lotus 49 -- it's a Zandvoort pic I've never seen before (note the coil and ignition transistor box mounted on the gearbox casing -- after Zandvoort that whole mess was relocated to the top of the engine, between the throttle slides). Oh, and someone here asked about the metal "boxes" on the exhaust side of the cam covers -- they were crankcase breathers: the dry sump pressure and scavenge pumps weren't exactly equilibrating, and pressure was building up in the crankcase. The breather caps were internally baffled to keep the oil in the engine while providing a vent to stop the pressure buildup... BB > http://big.business.8m.com/Retro/introduction.htm

>"HainesLC" <[email hidden]> wrote > Check out this model http://members.aol.com/slgrxs/kathy/kigal002.htm I'm not sure if I had the choice between her or a real Lotus 49 which one I would choose. Hmmmm...?? ;-) -- balancing towards the Loti 49 :) -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net

Try 'em both on and see which one fits... ymenard wrote: > > I'm not sure if I had the choice between her or a real Lotus 49 which one I > would choose. Hmmmm...?? ;-)

Very nice :) I wonder if Papy used this sort of model for GPL or whether they had access to the real things? btw, would anyone know where I could get a scale model (no smaller than 1:24) of a Jaguar D-Type 1955 (without the long nose and tail fin). Theres a photo of the car I'm after at http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other/jdr843/jdr843pe.htm . Surely one of the best looking sports cars ever. Seems like the sort of thing Burago should do, but I'm having no luck finding one. Thanks. "Niels007" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:r%nJ5.54191$[email hidden]...

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> http://big.business.8m.com/Retro/modelpage1.htm#Model1 > > no need to say more :-) (there is a 'next page'too) > > Niels > >

Well, you picked a tough one to find. I think Teapot Graphics -- long out of business, I'm afraid -- did a short-nose Ecurie Ecosse D-Type in resin, 1/24th scale. Pretty hard to find these days, but you can always put a want ad on the Grand Prix Modelers' Association website. While you're there, have a dekko at some of the most beautiful 1/24th scale kits ever built, by Gary McNutt (who did the original carving for Fisher Model and Pattern's Cunningham C4R): http://www.gpma.org/members/archive/gmcnutt.html Paul Fisher himself has done a 1/24th resin kit, but it's of two '55 longnose, tailfinned cars, the Le Mans winning Hawthorn/Bueb car and Briggs Cunningham's white and blue entry: http://www.fishermodels.com/fishermodels/kits/2401.htm Lindberg did a crude short-nose (but with fin) 1/24th kit (Lindberg 602-.69 D-Jaguar). Relatively easy to find (I have two) on eBay and elsewhere. You could hog off the tailfin and just leave the headrest. The other choice, which might not be too bad, is the Revell-Germany 1/24th kit of the 1957 Jaguear XK-SS (REG7205 Jaguar XK-SS $US35.00) -- out of production now, but very easy to find. The XK-SS was Jaguar's solution of what to do with a bunch of D-Type semi-monocoques they had left over when they pulled out of racing: slap on a real windshield, some muffled sidepipes, a ragtop and butt-ugly XK120/140 taillights and sell as a street/racing car -- $US7000 in 1957. The nice thing about the RevellDE kit is that it's full detail (all the others mentioned are curbside) -- it might take a lot of work to whang it back into racing spec, but at least the body's about right. Check out: http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/misc/xkss_motor_l.jpg http://www.darbyshiremotors.com/jaghistory/xkss.htm Simon Brown wrote: > > btw, would anyone know where I could get a scale model (no smaller than > 1:24) of a Jaguar D-Type 1955 (without the long nose and tail fin).

LOL! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Try 'em both on and see which one fits... > > ymenard wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if I had the choice between her or a real Lotus 49 which one I > > would choose. Hmmmm...?? ;-)

Depends how much you are prepared to pay, Simon. There are several available from specialist suppliers but the prices are up into the 140 Pounds area. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Simon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SYGJ5.5147$[email hidden]... > Very nice :) I wonder if Papy used this sort of model for GPL or whether > they had access to the real things? > > btw, would anyone know where I could get a scale model (no smaller than > 1:24) of a Jaguar D-Type 1955 (without the long nose and tail fin). Theres > a photo of the car I'm after at > http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other/jdr843/jdr843pe.htm . Surely one of > the best looking sports cars ever. Seems like the sort of thing Burago > should do, but I'm having no luck finding one. > Thanks. > > > "Niels007" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:r%nJ5.54191$[email hidden]... > > http://big.business.8m.com/Retro/modelpage1.htm#Model1 > > > > no need to say more :-) (there is a 'next page'too) > > > > Niels > > > > > >

Yikes! I don't really have that kinda money, not for a car model anyway. I was hoping there'd be a 1:18 model for about �30-50. I've seen a 1:43 for about �70, but that's too small, and it's the Le Mans car with the ugly fin and the long nose. The Jaguar website has models of a lot of their old cars, but sadly not the D-type :( Oh well, nevermind :) "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Depends how much you are prepared to pay, Simon. > There are several available from specialist suppliers but the prices areup

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> into the 140 Pounds area. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > ---------------------------

Thanks for the info :) Paul Fishers model looks superb, but I didn't want a kit really. I don't suppose you would know how difficult the assembly/painting process is? I'm really after 1:18 scale, so I can take acurate measurements and build a 3d model on my PC, but 1:24 would be acceptable. Gary McNutt's models really are masterpieces, as he modestly says himself :) I love his 1966 Ford GT MkII, and both his old Jags. Anyway, thanks again. "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, you picked a tough one to find. I think Teapot Graphics -- long > out of business, I'm afraid -- did a short-nose Ecurie Ecosse D-Type in > resin, 1/24th scale. Pretty hard to find these days, but you can always > put a want ad on the Grand Prix Modelers' Association website. While > you're there, have a dekko at some of the most beautiful 1/24th scale > kits ever built, by Gary McNutt (who did the original carving for Fisher > Model and Pattern's Cunningham C4R): > > http://www.gpma.org/members/archive/gmcnutt.html > > Paul Fisher himself has done a 1/24th resin kit, but it's of two '55 > longnose, tailfinned cars, the Le Mans winning Hawthorn/Bueb car and > Briggs Cunningham's white and blue entry: > > http://www.fishermodels.com/fishermodels/kits/2401.htm > > Lindberg did a crude short-nose (but with fin) 1/24th kit (Lindberg > 602-.69 D-Jaguar). Relatively easy to find (I have two) on eBay and > elsewhere. You could hog off the tailfin and just leave the headrest. > > The other choice, which might not be too bad, is the Revell-Germany > 1/24th kit of the 1957 Jaguear XK-SS (REG7205 Jaguar XK-SS $US35.00) -- > out of production now, but very easy to find. The XK-SS was Jaguar's > solution of what to do with a bunch of D-Type semi-monocoques they had > left over when they pulled out of racing: slap on a real windshield, > some muffled sidepipes, a ragtop and butt-ugly XK120/140 taillights and > sell as a street/racing car -- $US7000 in 1957. The nice thing about the > RevellDE kit is that it's full detail (all the others mentioned are > curbside) -- it might take a lot of work to whang it back into racing > spec, but at least the body's about right. Check out: > > http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/misc/xkss_motor_l.jpg > http://www.darbyshiremotors.com/jaghistory/xkss.htm > > Simon Brown wrote: > > > > btw, would anyone know where I could get a scale model (no smaller than > > 1:24) of a Jaguar D-Type 1955 (without the long nose and tail fin).

Also thanks for the info about the XK-SS. I found an XK-SS in 1:18 for �40 (http://www.modelcars.co.uk/collections/jaguar/cars/diecast%20jags.htm), and it does look quite similar to the D-Type. Cheers :) "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > The other choice, which might not be too bad, is the Revell-Germany > 1/24th kit of the 1957 Jaguear XK-SS (REG7205 Jaguar XK-SS $US35.00) -- > out of production now, but very easy to find. The XK-SS was Jaguar's > solution of what to do with a bunch of D-Type semi-monocoques they had > left over when they pulled out of racing: slap on a real windshield, > some muffled sidepipes, a ragtop and butt-ugly XK120/140 taillights and > sell as a street/racing car -- $US7000 in 1957. The nice thing about the > RevellDE kit is that it's full detail (all the others mentioned are > curbside) -- it might take a lot of work to whang it back into racing > spec, but at least the body's about right. Check out: > > http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/misc/xkss_motor_l.jpg > http://www.darbyshiremotors.com/jaghistory/xkss.htm

You FORGOT?! Well, Stanley, thanks very much! -- BK. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I *thought* I recognized that site! If you'll check out the caption for > the enlarged versions of the B&W pix of the Honda RA273 (one pic of the > car in the Watkins Glen pits with Mauro Forghieri and Luigi Bazzi > looking on, the other a close-up of the rather tatty Honda V12 -- these > pix are just above the modern color photo of Surtees in the RA300 > "Hondola" in the "3.0 litre period, 1966 and 1967 (pre-wings, > pre-advertising)" section of the site) you'll note the images were taken > by my friend S. Jerry Moore. I'd completely forgotten who I'd lent those > images to -- thanks for prompting me to look! When I finally get my fat > butt in gear and finish my site, I'll have a bunch more original images > from the '65 - '67 season, as well as modern vintage event photos. It's > not easy being lazy! > > BB > > "George M. Smiley" wrote: > > > > > > You should go up a few links and give the proper > > URL of: > > > > http://big.business.8m.com/Retro/introduction.htm > > > > as there is much more than a nice model to drool over. > > > > - George

....and the "boxes" were hurriedly made out of (as Andrew Ferguson called it) "bits of bent tinplate"! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Oh, and someone here asked about the metal "boxes" on the > exhaust side of the cam covers -- they were crankcase breathers: the dry > sump pressure and scavenge pumps weren't exactly equilibrating, and > pressure was building up in the crankcase. The breather caps were > internally baffled to keep the oil in the engine while providing a vent > to stop the pressure buildup... > > BB > > > http://big.business.8m.com/Retro/introduction.htm

The Lotus 49 would be cheaper to maintain. (I assure you.) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:04vJ5.374443$[email hidden]... > >"HainesLC" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Check out this model http://members.aol.com/slgrxs/kathy/kigal002.htm > > > I'm not sure if I had the choice between her or a real Lotus 49 which one I > would choose. Hmmmm...?? ;-) > > > > > > -- balancing towards the Loti 49 :) > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > >

Simon Brown wrote: > > Thanks for the info :) Paul Fishers model looks superb, but I didn't want a > kit really. I don't suppose you would know how difficult the > assembly/painting process is? The Fisher kits are resin, and very easy to build and paint. For some reason, I have much more success with painting resin than plastic (not that I'm a howling success with either...) -- anyway, a little sanding, a little superglue, prime, paint...bingo. Beautiful kits -- I have two of Fisher's Ferrari 512 Coda Lungas; he does superb molding work.

Wow... I didn't realize there was so much passion for a Lotus-49 race car with you guys. We have one......a scale model if you want to call it that........the scale is "full-size" and we've been using it in our convention rental fleet for several months now. It is a full-size Lotus-49, constructed from molds taken from a real Lotus-49 that was being completely restored in England. The "process" of creating the molds took over a year....and every part on the car was molded...including all the suspension parts. We currently use it (minus the rear suspension but including the engine) as a race car simulator......complete with Ball Racing force feed back controls (created exactly like the wheels and controls in the original) and run GPL in it for corporate and convention race car simulator rentals. We can actually build as many of these as we want....since we own the molds. We didn't intend to build them for sale or lease....but I guess there's no reason we couldn't do that for someone? There are several GPL sim drivers who I believe visit R.A.S. pretty regularly, Mark Mooney is one of them......who have seen our Lotus-49 simulator. Maybe they can verify if they happen to read this string....that this car is "authentic" from nearly every rivet out! We first used this simulator at the American LeMans Race at Sears Point Raceway this past summer. We have lots of pictures....and you wouldn't believe the lines of people waiting to race in this car. Even the entire Audi Team came over and "played" in her for several hours on Friday night of the race weekend. I don't want to get in trouble with the "binary only Nazis" who guard this newsgroup....so I won't attach any pictures of her. Our website isn't completed yet....so the only way to get a picture to you is if you send me an email....I'll send you all the pics of this Lotus-49 simulator you want. Send a reply via email.....you'll get the pictures in reply back. Regards, Tom Pabst [email hidden] "Niels007" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:r%nJ5.54191$[email hidden]...

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> http://big.business.8m.com/Retro/modelpage1.htm#Model1 > > no need to say more :-) (there is a 'next page'too) > > Niels > >

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I don't want to get in trouble with the "binary only Nazis" who > guard this newsgroup....so I won't attach any pictures of her. What is wrong with alt.binaries.simulators.autos? - George