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This is a classic. He manages to insult the people who buy the game and look like a sucker at the same time. Half the messages in this post were deleted BTW, even though it is a "Dump line". They are just deleting anything that offends them now. Hey it's their board :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Dump Line (Reply-Only Folder) - another weekend without Previous | Next From: DAN_HASBRO Oct-28 7:02 pm To: RUPPS unread 6 of 12 "Let me tell you, Please don't assume how I as a consumer feel. I've bought EVERY racing sim out there, and lets just say that none of them are bug free. Do I get upset about it? NO. Why ? I put it in perspective. It's not brain surgery, and no one is going to die if some issue in a game (and these are games) doesn't work the way I think it should. I assume that the company will fix the issues, and give them the opportunity to do so. Gotta tell ya I've never been able to play Multiplayer with N3. I don't know why, I could never connect , or I always got booted. Am I pissed off ? NO why should I be. It is a game. There are alot more important things in my life to worry about than not being able to race in a game." Anyone have any swampland to sell? Dan has a life, will buy anything and will never complain :-)

>On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:46:26 GMT, "Hannabill" <[email hidden]> wrote:The funny thing is he wasn't involved in the multiplayer code in NH (which works pretty well). He was in charge of Yellow Flags and AI starts... ;-) G Patricks >This is a classic. >He manages to insult the people who buy the game and look like a sucker at >the same time.

Ummmm......thats hardly dumb. He cares about REAL things in life. Nascar Heat is ONLY a game....although a good game. And now you make out that he is now "dumb" - I think that only really makes you a "Dick" Ash "Hannabill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mNuL5.58603$[email hidden]...

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| This is a classic. | He manages to insult the people who buy the game and look like a sucker at | the same time. | | Half the messages in this post were deleted BTW, even though it is a "Dump | line". | They are just deleting anything that offends them now. Hey it's their

board | :-) | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | --------------------------------------------------- | Dump Line (Reply-Only Folder) - another weekend without Previous | Next | From: DAN_HASBRO Oct-28 7:02 pm | To: RUPPS unread 6 of 12 | | "Let me tell you, Please don't assume how I as a consumer feel. I've bought | EVERY racing sim out there, and lets just say that none of them are bug | free. Do I get upset about it? NO. Why ? I put it in perspective. It's not | brain surgery, and no one is going to die if some issue in a game (and these | are games) doesn't work the way I think it should. I assume that the company | will fix the issues, and give them the opportunity to do so. Gotta tell ya | I've never been able to play Multiplayer with N3. I don't know why, I could | never connect , or I always got booted. Am I pissed off ? NO why should I | be. It is a game. There are alot more important things in my life to worry | about than not being able to race in a game." | | Anyone have any swampland to sell? Dan has a life, will buy anything and | will never complain :-) | | | |

So that's why I got banned from the NH message board by Dan. I complained about the cautions. The cautions are totally unacceptable in NH. It almost makes it so you can't run a season. I love watching the game try to figure where the cars are supposed to line up after a caution. It can go on for 50 laps. Since Danny is in charge, I guess I struck a nerve. Oh well I will cuss it til N4. I also pointed out that he misspelled a few words in his post. I was out of there...lol G Patricks <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:46:26 GMT, "Hannabill" <[email hidden]> wrote: > The funny thing is he wasn't involved in the multiplayer code in NH > (which works pretty well). He was in charge of Yellow Flags and AI > starts... > ;-) > > G Patricks > > >This is a classic. > >He manages to insult the people who buy the game and look like a sucker

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Who doesn't care about real things in life. I also care, however I have a job to do. Next time I screw it up I will call upon the real things in life. It's only a computer system. That way I won't have to fix it...Think it will work? Ashley McConnell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8tmpmv$oqq$[email hidden]...

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> Ummmm......thats hardly dumb. He cares about REAL things in life. Nascar > Heat is ONLY a game....although a good game. And now you make out that he > is now "dumb" - I think that only really makes you a "Dick" > > Ash > > > "Hannabill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mNuL5.58603$[email hidden]... > | This is a classic. > | He manages to insult the people who buy the game and look like a sucker

at > | the same time. > | > | Half the messages in this post were deleted BTW, even though it is a"Dump

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> | line". > | They are just deleting anything that offends them now. Hey it's their > board > | :-) > | > | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > | --------------------------------------------------- > | Dump Line (Reply-Only Folder) - another weekend without Previous | > Next > | From: DAN_HASBRO Oct-28 7:02 pm > | To: RUPPS unread 6 of 12 > | > | "Let me tell you, Please don't assume how I as a consumer feel. I've > bought > | EVERY racing sim out there, and lets just say that none of them are bug > | free. Do I get upset about it? NO. Why ? I put it in perspective. It's

not > | brain surgery, and no one is going to die if some issue in a game (and > these > | are games) doesn't work the way I think it should. I assume that the > company > | will fix the issues, and give them the opportunity to do so. Gotta tellya > | I've never been able to play Multiplayer with N3. I don't know why, I > could > | never connect , or I always got booted. Am I pissed off ? NO why shouldI > | be. It is a game. There are alot more important things in my life toworry

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> | about than not being able to race in a game." > | > | Anyone have any swampland to sell? Dan has a life, will buy anything and > | will never complain :-) > | > | > | > | > >

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I think a big part of the stink here is patience. "We" point out a critical flaw in the NH sim. We then get a response or two and then very few responses after that. Suddenly we think: a) we are being ignored b) they aren't working on the problem c) both of the above. Then "we" start getting mad. Since "we" paid good money for the product, we feel that we are the boss. And "we" want results now. Pretty soon old fashioned manners are out the window and "we" get down-right cantankerous. Shouting to forums something like this: "FIX THE #$#(# thing! NOW!" will most likely provoke the responses you got from Ed. Irritation and banning. But also..a repeated request like... "Hey Ed...I asked you yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that and the day before that when are you going to fix the problem..." can be just as imflamatory. Programmers like MGI have to serve two masters. One the consumer, that is witnessed the by release of patches, and two the Publisher who pays the bills. Publishers have budgets...when programming hurdles start exceeding the budgets, then the money can be cut off and the team sent on it's way or on to it's next project. So some of our esteemed users are proud they have pushed MGI too far. Thats nice. They have served the community by repeatedly pointing out the obvious. Well done. You have spent your money and now feel that effort is owed to you. Perhaps investigating and abstaining from a purchase until it meets your approval would have been a better solution. We have already seen one patch that catered to the advanced user more-so than the core audience. We have heard they are working on another patch to continue to refine the product. (personally I would favor a simple solution like turning off collisions during yellow flag situations) But whatever solution they are able to produce given the state of the code and availability of money to search for the answers....I'll accept that they are doing what they can. If they choose to limit my access to their forum, I won't get all in a snit. I won't go trumpeting off how I said this and that which pissed them off. That won't get things fixed. I'm not saying we have to roll over and take whatever MGI sold us, but civility does NOT have to be abandoned to get results. and I've made a spelling or grammatical error or two just in this message...big deal... My bottom line is this: NH is a big advancement in the driving realism area. But a large step back in real-world(nascar) race craft. Remember, N2 didn't have double file restarts. N99 had limited mulitplayer capability. The MGI team dropped the ball in a few areas, so here's hoping they can at least improve on those items before they begin work on NH2 or whatever is next for them. But my shouting and yelling and spreading foul language around won't cause them to work any faster, harder, or more diligently. I will point out what I percieve to be either poor choices or outright errors, but I won't HOUND them til I get a response that "I" deem adequate. dave henrie

IHMO, I think at this point they could care less about the true sim racer. They've probably sold all the copies they're going to to the sim racers, and they've released a patch that they haven't made a nickel on. Why spend any more time trying to fix something that will be left in the dust when N4 is released. Do we think the TV ads during the Nascar races are directed at us? Doubt it...rather our kids. Papy still rules the roost. Nothing has come close to GPL in two years, now a GPL based N4 is just around the corner. Bob Geddes Hannabill wrote:

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> This is a classic. > He manages to insult the people who buy the game and look like a sucker at > the same time. > > Half the messages in this post were deleted BTW, even though it is a "Dump > line". > They are just deleting anything that offends them now. Hey it's their board > :-) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------- > Dump Line (Reply-Only Folder) - another weekend without Previous | Next > From: DAN_HASBRO Oct-28 7:02 pm > To: RUPPS unread 6 of 12 > > "Let me tell you, Please don't assume how I as a consumer feel. I've bought > EVERY racing sim out there, and lets just say that none of them are bug > free. Do I get upset about it? NO. Why ? I put it in perspective. It's not > brain surgery, and no one is going to die if some issue in a game (and these > are games) doesn't work the way I think it should. I assume that the company > will fix the issues, and give them the opportunity to do so. Gotta tell ya > I've never been able to play Multiplayer with N3. I don't know why, I could > never connect , or I always got booted. Am I pissed off ? NO why should I > be. It is a game. There are alot more important things in my life to worry > about than not being able to race in a game." > > Anyone have any swampland to sell? Dan has a life, will buy anything and > will never complain :-)

Nicely stated. --Stephen "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oqHL5.38216$[email hidden]... > I think a big part of the stink here is patience. "We" point out a > critical flaw > in the NH sim. We then get a response or two and then very few responses > after that. Suddenly we think: a) we are being ignored > b) they aren't working onthe > problem > c) both of the above. > Then "we" start getting mad. Since "we" paid good money for theproduct,

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> we feel that we are the boss. And "we" want results now. Pretty soon old > fashioned manners are out the window and "we" get down-right cantankerous. > Shouting to forums something like this: "FIX THE #$#(# thing! NOW!" > will most likely provoke the responses you got from Ed. Irritation and > banning. > But also..a repeated request like... > "Hey Ed...I asked you yesterday, and the day before that, and the day > before that and the day before that when are you going to fix the > problem..." can be > just as imflamatory. > Programmers like MGI have to serve two masters. One the consumer, that

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> witnessed the by release of patches, and two the Publisher who pays the > bills. > Publishers have budgets...when programming hurdles start exceeding the > budgets, then the money can be cut off and the team sent on it's way or on > to it's next project. > So some of our esteemed users are proud they have pushed MGI too far. > Thats nice. They have served the community by repeatedly pointing out the > obvious. Well done. You have spent your money and now feel that effort

is > owed to you. Perhaps investigating and abstaining from a purchase untilit > meets your approval would have been a better solution. > We have already seen one patch that catered to the advanced user more-so > than the core audience. We have heard they are working on another patchto > continue to refine the product. (personally I would favor a simplesolution > like turning off collisions during yellow flag situations) But whatever > solution they > are able to produce given the state of the code and availability of moneyto > search for the answers....I'll accept that they are doing what they can. > If they choose to limit my access to their forum, I won't get all in a > snit. I won't go trumpeting off how I said this and that which pissedthem

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> off. That won't get things fixed. > I'm not saying we have to roll over and take whatever MGI sold us, but > civility does NOT have to be abandoned to get results. > and I've made a spelling or grammatical error or two just in this > message...big deal... > My bottom line is this: > NH is a big advancement in the driving realism area. But a large step > back > in real-world(nascar) race craft. Remember, N2 didn't have double file > restarts. N99 had limited mulitplayer capability. The MGI team dropped

the > ball in a few areas, so here's hoping they can at least improve on those > items > before they begin work on NH2 or whatever is next for them. But myshouting > and yelling and spreading foul language around won't cause them to workany > faster, harder, or more diligently. I will point out what I percieve tobe > either > poor choices or outright errors, but I won't HOUND them til I get aresponse > that "I" deem adequate. > dave henrie > >

On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 02:25:52 GMT, Bob Geddes <[email hidden]> wrote: >IHMO, I think at this point they could care less about the true sim racer. That's good to know, since it means they still care. If I thought they couldn't care less, then I would feel as though we had been abandoned. A patch for the stuff that bugs people would be nice, but I have personally had at least 500$ worth of fun from the game so far and I'm not sick of it yet. In my book that's a darn good entertainment value for 40$, perfect or not. ~daxe

Well said, Mr. Daxe. In fact, that's probably one of the most enlightened observations regarding computer games, period. How many times have we walked out of a movie feeling as if we'd been cheated out of the admission price? Ditto books, ditto videos and ditto many other things where we've paid money and felt that we hadn't received good value. GPL, for example, must rate in my book as the gretaest return on investment ever. No doubt others feel the same about their favourite game, Heat included. (I bought Heat and, although the behaviour of the AI is frustrating, I still enjoy the game. It has become a personal endeavour to beat the AI at their own game! :-) In the meantime, I'll await the release of the second patch without getting my knickers in a twist). -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- daxe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > A patch for the stuff that bugs people would be nice, but I have > personally had at least 500$ worth of fun from the game so far and I'm > not sick of it yet. In my book that's a darn good entertainment value > for 40$, perfect or not. >

gretaest = slurred fingers due to too much vin roug�. -- BK. --------------------------- Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > as the gretaest return on

As always :-) Stephen wrote:

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> > Nicely stated. > > --Stephen > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oqHL5.38216$[email hidden]... > > I think a big part of the stink here is patience. "We" point out a > > critical flaw > > in the NH sim. We then get a response or two and then very few responses > > after that. Suddenly we think: a) we are being ignored > > b) they aren't working on > the > > problem > > c) both of the above. > > Then "we" start getting mad. Since "we" paid good money for the > product, > > we feel that we are the boss. And "we" want results now. Pretty soon old > > fashioned manners are out the window and "we" get down-right cantankerous. > > Shouting to forums something like this: "FIX THE #$#(# thing! NOW!" > > will most likely provoke the responses you got from Ed. Irritation and > > banning. > > But also..a repeated request like... > > "Hey Ed...I asked you yesterday, and the day before that, and the day > > before that and the day before that when are you going to fix the > > problem..." can be > > just as imflamatory. > > Programmers like MGI have to serve two masters. One the consumer, that > is > > witnessed the by release of patches, and two the Publisher who pays the > > bills. > > Publishers have budgets...when programming hurdles start exceeding the > > budgets, then the money can be cut off and the team sent on it's way or on > > to it's next project. > > So some of our esteemed users are proud they have pushed MGI too far. > > Thats nice. They have served the community by repeatedly pointing out the > > obvious. Well done. You have spent your money and now feel that effort > is > > owed to you. Perhaps investigating and abstaining from a purchase until > it > > meets your approval would have been a better solution. > > We have already seen one patch that catered to the advanced user more-so > > than the core audience. We have heard they are working on another patch > to > > continue to refine the product. (personally I would favor a simple > solution > > like turning off collisions during yellow flag situations) But whatever > > solution they > > are able to produce given the state of the code and availability of money > to > > search for the answers....I'll accept that they are doing what they can. > > If they choose to limit my access to their forum, I won't get all in a > > snit. I won't go trumpeting off how I said this and that which pissed > them > > off. That won't get things fixed. > > I'm not saying we have to roll over and take whatever MGI sold us, but > > civility does NOT have to be abandoned to get results. > > and I've made a spelling or grammatical error or two just in this > > message...big deal... > > My bottom line is this: > > NH is a big advancement in the driving realism area. But a large step > > back > > in real-world(nascar) race craft. Remember, N2 didn't have double file > > restarts. N99 had limited mulitplayer capability. The MGI team dropped > the > > ball in a few areas, so here's hoping they can at least improve on those > > items > > before they begin work on NH2 or whatever is next for them. But my > shouting > > and yelling and spreading foul language around won't cause them to work > any > > faster, harder, or more diligently. I will point out what I percieve to > be > > either > > poor choices or outright errors, but I won't HOUND them til I get a > response > > that "I" deem adequate. > > dave henrie > > > >

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