Why does Bush go on vacation during war?

What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no terror alerts after the election ?

Why does Bush go on vacation during war? Maybe he has a timeshare and that's the only date available. Why do CEO's go on vacation when tech support people in their company are still answering the phones? Because they don't have to answer the phones and Bush doesn't need to carry a rifle. Seems straightforward to me.

Going on vacation? ROFLMAO... you dont think he's on duty 24-7? you must be from countries that have Kings... Bugger off you nincompoop.. artie beamer enlightened us with: > What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no terror > alerts after the election ?

"artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... > What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no terror > alerts after the election ? George probably grabbed the LFS S2 Demo and headed to Texas. Try staying to the right newsgroups and you might get some challenging replies. Alanb

"artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... > What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no terror > alerts after the election ? Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the most potent and technologically advanced military in the world, the threat decreases. It may have happened sooner, but there were 8 years in the 90's of failed leadership, that left the intelligence community impotent, and the military weak.

So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar foreign debt thinking about invading a nation other than a third world backwater? "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no terror >> alerts after the election ? > > Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the most potent > and technologically advanced military in the world, the threat decreases. > It may have happened sooner, but there were 8 years in the 90's of failed > leadership, that left the intelligence community impotent, and the > military weak. > > >

1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6 trillion per year :) Bill Bollinger "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W615e.46667$[email hidden]...

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> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar foreign debt > thinking about invading a nation other than a third world backwater? > "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no terror >>> alerts after the election ? >> >> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the most potent >> and technologically advanced military in the world, the threat decreases. >> It may have happened sooner, but there were 8 years in the 90's of failed >> leadership, that left the intelligence community impotent, and the >> military weak. >> >> >> > >

Glad you think a trillion dollar debt is peanuts - but hey, you're gonna pay for it - and the interest - for the rest of your life, not to mention your kids too, so have fun and don't forget to thank the euroweenies for providing your war funds - and while you're at it, enjoy your social security - it's currently being used to bring democracy and freedom to an ungrteful world. Whatcha gonna do, some people eh! Next thing you know, the US'll go bankrupt just like all empires before it, and all to bring democracy to the world - yes, white man's burdern, ain't it a bitch! "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Co15e.19930$[email hidden]...

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>1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6 trillion >per year :) > > Bill Bollinger > > "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:W615e.46667$[email hidden]... >> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar foreign debt >> thinking about invading a nation other than a third world backwater? >> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> >>> "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >>>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no terror >>>> alerts after the election ? >>> >>> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the most potent >>> and technologically advanced military in the world, the threat >>> decreases. It may have happened sooner, but there were 8 years in the >>> 90's of failed leadership, that left the intelligence community >>> impotent, and the military weak. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

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> > "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no terror >> alerts after the election ? > > Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the most potent > and technologically advanced military in the world, the threat decreases. > It may have happened sooner, but there were 8 years in the 90's of failed > leadership, that left the intelligence community impotent, and the > military weak. > > >

The threat, when it finally comes, is always from within. Keep the economy going the way it's going, keep gas prices as high as they are, and keep a great majority of the American population dissatisfied, because of job loss and lowering wages, and you have trouble. It is pretty well established (at least in my mind) that the war in Iraq was Bush's way to revenge his father. I agree with the fact that oil flow has to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration, that was not America's reason for entering the war. We can blow up all the weak countries in the world and become isolated, with no friends abroad. Then, when America starts to boil over, the 10% satisfied (corporations and the like) feeling a bit uncomfortable with the dissatisfied rest, then we have problems. And they will be yours, not mine. Alanb

Well Alex, first off the maximum maturity date on all treasury bonds currently being offered is 20 years. A few years ago it was out to 30 years, therefore, to say we will pay for it forever is incorrect. 2nd, if we have a GDP growth rate of 3-4% over the next 20 years, the rates we are paying today is peanuts. 3rd, the euroweenies provide hardly any of what you call "war funds" (Do you even know who buys most of the US Debt?). Lastly, you may want to channel this energy in a more positive way and thank god that you live in a country that allows you to spout this rubbish in a public fashion. Bill Bollinger "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wq15e.41208$[email hidden]...

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> Glad you think a trillion dollar debt is peanuts - but hey, you're gonna > pay for it - and the interest - for the rest of your life, not to mention > your kids too, so have fun and don't forget to thank the euroweenies for > providing your war funds - and while you're at it, enjoy your social > security - it's currently being used to bring democracy and freedom to an > ungrteful world. Whatcha gonna do, some people eh! Next thing you know, > the US'll go bankrupt just like all empires before it, and all to bring > democracy to the world - yes, white man's burdern, ain't it a bitch! > "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Co15e.19930$[email hidden]... >>1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6 trillion >>per year :) >> >> Bill Bollinger >> >> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:W615e.46667$[email hidden]... >>> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar foreign debt >>> thinking about invading a nation other than a third world backwater? >>> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>>> >>>> "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >>>>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no terror >>>>> alerts after the election ? >>>> >>>> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the most potent >>>> and technologically advanced military in the world, the threat >>>> decreases. It may have happened sooner, but there were 8 years in the >>>> 90's of failed leadership, that left the intelligence community >>>> impotent, and the military weak. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans, sheesh, not only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are y'all the beacons of shining conservatively compassionate freedom bringing uber-people, but ya even give me the wonderful gift of free-rubbish-talking - Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been born, rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I have such vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers - boy, had it not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like yourself, mano-a-mano in the good fight for freedom and Good itself, why we'd all still be babbling rubbish to this very day, can you imagine? Yes, Bill, had it not been for my sojourn as a wetback in america, I'd be talking so much rubbish and no-one would even tell me! I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a man of such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but Bill, - and I pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but ... don't you think it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy your war-debts, or whether it is China and other Asian central banks that buy them? You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your glorious self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is unfolding for the US economy as you sit there idly massaging your well-fed belly - The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your debt, Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the Hindenburg ... and how long, Bill, do you think, in all your glittering pomposity, before the Chinese start selling their US Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, that the dollar bill, Bill, starts free-falling like a broker on Wall Street on a Thursday afternoon ... See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster than one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra (and don't forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer than a week), which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth (at 3-4%), becomes about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of bringing democracy and freedom to the Middle East ... but of course, I am talking rubbish Bill, already you can see demcracy taking root eh! Oh yes indeed ... But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other rubbish talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved Leader on one of his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a pretzel because he was sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise interest rates into the teens? And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese enemies will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back your war debt? And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red americans with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt thinking about argentina ... See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these matters), like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the IMF and World Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign debt ... but they, like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only you and dubya really know the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as - how do you intend to pay for the baby boomers' retirement, medical care, etc. ... Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the rest of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ... Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its GDP in foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast that is the US economy. Yes, Bill, were it from any authority but you, one would almost think it lunacy that one can brush brush aside any concern that - were the US to sustain a growth of 3.2% - achievable only, Bill, ONLY, if the rest of the world's economies grew at a sustained 4% and that the dollar, Bill, remains at levels last seen in August 2004 - your financial deficit with the world, Bill, would be the insignificant sum of 50% of GDP ... Yes Bill, were it not for you, Fox and Dubya saying so, why there'd be panic on the (wall) street and people would be selling dollars faster than my lamborghini in GTR ... Yep, Bill, if anyone other than you had to make the claim that the US economy would continue to rise at 3.2% while the weakening dollar was smashing the economies of your major trading partners - well, I'd think it madness. But Bill, you are the authority, and I bow to your expertise in voodoo economics. After all Bill, only by reducing the dollar will there be any chance of getting this wonderfully irrelevant one trillion dollar debt under control - even Bush said so, and he knows his stuff Bill, am I right? - Which is why the dollar is deflating as we speak, and why it has dropped by an average of 17% against all its major trading partners ... But see, Bill, there's a little problem with this cunning ploy ... while a (projected) 23% some percent drop in the dollar over the next four years of your beloved leader's reign as king of the world will see the foreign debt reduce(reduce, Bill, not vanish, because of the rise in exports), there are other problems to a deflating dollar ... namely, Bill, that the economic chaos that this will cause to your major trading partners will eventually loop back to the US, you see Bill, because they will no longer be able to afford your exports ... and as for imports, Bill, well let's say your BMW (you do own a foreign car, don't you Bill?) will become rather expensive , which means more economic woe for that troublesome non-american swine called your trading partners - all of whom, Bill, retain US IOUs - and they might, Bill, even be reduced to selling them back to you - which means, Bill, another looping increase in interest rates, and a further deflation of the dollar, and a further weakening of the global economies that MUST, Bill, rise at 4% per annum in order for you, Bill, to pay your war-debt ... The dollar's drop, Bill, caused VW a 68% decline in revenue ... See, Bill, the deflation of the US dollar in order to pay for your blood-lust (commonly known as your foreign debt), results in a slow-down in Japan and European economies, Bill, which reduces the foreign capital that comes into the US, Bill, thereby wrecking your sustained growth, Bill, of the 3.2% neccessary to pay off the foreign debt Bill, which means, Bill, that your happy-clappy understanding of economics is ... well, let's call it exotic, shall we? See, Bill, with the baby boomers retiring, the constant price of war, the deflating dollar, the world's economy slowing down, the central banks divesting themselves of the US dollar as reserve cuurency ... well, Bob, were it not you saying so, I'd be thinking the US is up shit-creek, mate, and your paddle - the Chinese - may just be thinking this is a good time to annex Taiwan - There is a reason why that other foreigner, Bill, Soros, that traiterous foreigner, has been dumping dollars like an African baby with dysentry (yes, Bill, the US alone decided not to relieve Africa's foreign debt, Bill, because you care so much about the 'little' people of the world, don't you, my little compassionate conservative friend?). But Bill, what came above, all that rubbish, was the BEST case scenario - that's right, Bill - because we haven't even touched on the worst case scenario, have we - and believe it or not, it involves them "towel-heads" so beloved by the white house and the freedom givers itching to bring democracy or death (and hell they're the same thing as far as them foreigners are concerned, am I right Bill?) to an expectant world - See, Bill, a constant decline in the US dollars means a concomitant decline in foreign investors in the US, and really, Bill, who, besides you, would want to invest ten bucks and get five bucks back - certainly not rubbish talkers like myself old man; why, germany and japan having their stuttering economies ko'd by a strengthening euro and yen is positvely good news, isn't it, Bill, and that will teach em germans not to invade the world alongside dubya and his merry band of freedom giving acolytes ... But as usual there is a little problem Bill - see, what happens if the foreign investors in the US, Bill, decide to sell their US securities because they have become a little annoyed at losing money (negative interest rates which, Bill, in case you didn't get the brief, is what is happening now) and no longer believe the dollar is sustainable even at its current weak levels (lowest since 1992 Bill)? ... Yes, Bill, what happens is that the dollar will get the bitch-slapping of all bitch-slappings and before you can say argentina, you'll be loading up your pick-up with greenbacks (as opposed them pesky wetbacks, eh, Bill, for surely you must be one of them there minutemen, am I right?) to go to the grocery store for your six-pack ... But this, Bill, all of this is the good news, isn't it ... because what dubya and fox and you aren't telling your red-american brethren, foaming at the mouth at the prospect of more war (I mean liberation!) is the REALLY good news ... The imminent collapse, Bill, of the dollar as the reserve currency of choice ... and that, Bill, is the sole and only reason why the US economy can function, Bill, as you may well even know (but I must be talking rubbish, am I right Bill?) in total dysfuncionality to any and all market theories - and why is that Bill? Well, Bill, at the risk of talking more rubbish, it is beacuse the US is such a poor exporter ... (now why, Bill, did the dollar devalue so much?) - and as such, Bill, the only way it can sustain its lobsided economy is to offer its trading partners (them there foreigners again Bill, doncha just hate em!) a nice return on their (US) investments ... but you see, Bill, the US has, in fact, the lowest real interest rates on the industrialised planet - And, see, Bill, this, coupled with what many view as an over-inflated stock-market and real-estate market, means that your foreign investor is not interested in investing in the US any longer (not to mention such added things as political loathing of your right-wing junta) - and that, Bill, means that the dollar, as the world's resrrve currency, is very quickly coming to an abrupt and definitive end - and you know what that means, don't you Bill, for the US economy - it means the US citizen will, once again, have to practice economics that applies world wide Bill - a very scary proposition, don't you think, Bill, for a nation so enamoured with debt ... and what with those oil prices constantly rising despite your glorious victory in Iraq .... But heck, I am only talking rubbish old boy - after all, the dollar is always going to be the reserve currency of foreign central banks, am I right, Bill? Yes sir, them pesty Asians that have begun talking about dropping the dollar - well, they're just gooks, am I right, Bill, and if they keep it up you'll go My Lai on their yella butts - am I right Bill? Ya betcha ... But Bill, you always have them towel-heads at opec selling their oil in dollars, am I right? The fact that the U.S. dollar-denominated deposits fell from 75 percent of total deposits in the third quarter of 2001 to 61.5 percent in the first quarter of 2002 (before the war) while the share of Euro denominated deposits rose from 12 percent to 20 percent over this same period is in no way indicative of opec deciding to cut their losses and start trading in euro (or even dinars linked to gold - oh surely not eh Bill!) for oil - no sir, Bill, that there - like the rest of it - is all rubbish. Yes sir, Bill. Only you, Dubya, and the red states - all of whom exist solely from the immoral donations from blue states - like me, Bill, and a foreigner to boot, would ya believe - only you guys know the 'real' truth about the US economy. Yes suh. The rest of us. We're just rubbish talkers. Enjoy the ride Bill; ol Dubya has you covered. And remember, social security is communist - and you're better dead (and starving through your old age) than red (as in commie red, not begging-bowl red-state-red). Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sW25e.19961$[email hidden]...

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> Well Alex, first off the maximum maturity date on all treasury bonds > currently being offered is 20 years. A few years ago it was out to 30 > years, therefore, to say we will pay for it forever is incorrect. 2nd, if > we have a GDP growth rate of 3-4% over the next 20 years, the rates we are > paying today is peanuts. 3rd, the euroweenies provide hardly any of what > you call "war funds" (Do you even know who buys most of the US Debt?). > Lastly, you may want to channel this energy in a more positive way and > thank god that you live in a country that allows you to spout this rubbish > in a public fashion. > > Bill Bollinger > > > > "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wq15e.41208$[email hidden]... >> Glad you think a trillion dollar debt is peanuts - but hey, you're gonna >> pay for it - and the interest - for the rest of your life, not to mention >> your kids too, so have fun and don't forget to thank the euroweenies for >> providing your war funds - and while you're at it, enjoy your social >> security - it's currently being used to bring democracy and freedom to an >> ungrteful world. Whatcha gonna do, some people eh! Next thing you know, >> the US'll go bankrupt just like all empires before it, and all to bring >> democracy to the world - yes, white man's burdern, ain't it a bitch! >> "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Co15e.19930$[email hidden]... >>>1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6 >>>trillion per year :) >>> >>> Bill Bollinger >>> >>> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:W615e.46667$[email hidden]... >>>> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar foreign >>>> debt thinking about invading a nation other than a third world >>>> backwater? >>>> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>> >>>>> "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>> news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >>>>>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no >>>>>> terror alerts after the election ? >>>>> >>>>> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the most >>>>> potent and technologically advanced military in the world, the threat >>>>> decreases. It may have happened sooner, but there were 8 years in the >>>>> 90's of failed leadership, that left the intelligence community >>>>> impotent, and the military weak. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

And while we're at it Bill, I happen to reside in a city that rejected your lunatic right-wing fringe politics despite having been the ground zero in your war on terror(ism); and while we're at it, Bill, I happen to have missed 9-11 by eleven square blocks, and my wife by sheer coincidence - see, Bill, many of my friends worked in one of the buildings neighbouring the towers, Bill - so if you don't mind, Bill, I think I'll politely ask you to take your pompous self-righteous self-important superciliousness and shove it where it fits best; or, in other words, why doncha sit down and give your mouth a chance. "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sW25e.19961$[email hidden]...

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> Well Alex, first off the maximum maturity date on all treasury bonds > currently being offered is 20 years. A few years ago it was out to 30 > years, therefore, to say we will pay for it forever is incorrect. 2nd, if > we have a GDP growth rate of 3-4% over the next 20 years, the rates we are > paying today is peanuts. 3rd, the euroweenies provide hardly any of what > you call "war funds" (Do you even know who buys most of the US Debt?). > Lastly, you may want to channel this energy in a more positive way and > thank god that you live in a country that allows you to spout this rubbish > in a public fashion. > > Bill Bollinger > > > > "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wq15e.41208$[email hidden]... >> Glad you think a trillion dollar debt is peanuts - but hey, you're gonna >> pay for it - and the interest - for the rest of your life, not to mention >> your kids too, so have fun and don't forget to thank the euroweenies for >> providing your war funds - and while you're at it, enjoy your social >> security - it's currently being used to bring democracy and freedom to an >> ungrteful world. Whatcha gonna do, some people eh! Next thing you know, >> the US'll go bankrupt just like all empires before it, and all to bring >> democracy to the world - yes, white man's burdern, ain't it a bitch! >> "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Co15e.19930$[email hidden]... >>>1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6 >>>trillion per year :) >>> >>> Bill Bollinger >>> >>> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:W615e.46667$[email hidden]... >>>> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar foreign >>>> debt thinking about invading a nation other than a third world >>>> backwater? >>>> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>> >>>>> "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>> news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >>>>>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no >>>>>> terror alerts after the election ? >>>>> >>>>> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the most >>>>> potent and technologically advanced military in the world, the threat >>>>> decreases. It may have happened sooner, but there were 8 years in the >>>>> 90's of failed leadership, that left the intelligence community >>>>> impotent, and the military weak. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Wow! It's a shame because you might have had some interesting points but your sensationalist devaluing method of putting them across made me stop reading. Oh, and before I forget, *plonk*

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> Wow! It's a shame because you might have had some interesting points > but your sensationalist devaluing method of putting them across made me > stop reading. > > Oh, and before I forget, > > *plonk* >

sticking your head in the sand, what a shocker

but... but... BILL CLINTON didnt help africa... um, THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM... um... um... YOU LIBERAL!!!!

I would think what really did it was them long words and no picshurs. "catisfit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Wow! It's a shame because you might have had some interesting points > but your sensationalist devaluing method of putting them across made me > stop reading. > > Oh, and before I forget, > > *plonk* >

alex martini enlightened us with: > Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans, sheesh, > not only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are y'all the > beacons of shining conservatively compassionate freedom bringing > uber-people, but ya even give me the wonderful gift of > free-rubbish-talking - You talk about Pompus, f*ck me what did you call this shit you write? If that country you were born in, was soo fucking great, why you here? would I dare guess that maybe there is better here where you are at? Maybe you earn more money, let alone are being given more out in welfare things, you know parks, only 1/3rd of your earnings in taxes, nicer homes to choose from, better schools? maybe just life in general you fuck... That is, compared to where you were born was what? please mr so eloquent, enlighten us with the stories of no poverty, noone scared to dare say anything real or implied against the 'ruling class' or government from that country you so proud of? Here all you are faced with is you make a stupid comment the govenrment aint gonna kill your sister-brother-cousins- or babies, but by god, some of us here are prolly going to say DUMBASS! you compare that to what again, some country? Jesus Chrysler you are pompus... SO, All your troubles will be gone, you think, give everything you earn to the government they will treat you well, provide not only you but everyone with what we all need... do it then, but leave me the f*ck alone because I (and more like me) want more and are willing to work/sacrifice my sweat and years of my life, to get it. Look at this goddam country's population at our age (roughly 20-40 years of age), over half will follow you, if they think the government will give them a goddam HDTV big screen, 2 cars, and 2 bathrooms in every goddam home@! BUT I argue only because I refuse ta accept that You're that stupid???? REALLY? 70% of this great country have NOT saved even $5000 dollars towards life after retirement, the damn same 70% thinks the government will keep thier lifestyle as it is now (prime earning level ages of your whole life) 70% of american spend a big % more $$ than they *earn* each year, thanks to fucking credit cards, and good old credit... You people dont have even the survival mentality of cave men, back when they had to kill to eat, people nowdays think they can eat 2 deer by killing one, where is the other deer and how'd you get it? Buying cars they cannot fathom the loss of money in it, to impress people they dont even know or like... They like you are walking around thinking like GOMER PYLE on Valuim, are going to get to where they have to retire someday, and go "SHAZAM!!! I dont have any money, the governement owes me the money!!! GIVE ME MORE MONEY!!!" If you dont believe me, look at the Baby Boomers now!!! Oh well... Apparenlty you can have it now, in New York, but not where you were born? have you done it yet? How about the babies in that same hospital ward you were in? What? you dont think like minded people you look up to are living on "what the government feels they need" do you? wait... take that back.... not to confuse you I want you to be clear and not jaded. If you give up everything I mean everything, you think the government will make you as happy as they have seen fit to make the democrats of whom you agree, that you support? I mean how do you justify you getting that kind of money but maybe not me? You preaching fuck... you do like kings and decided you are better? least the way it is now you actually have to prove you are stronger, smarter, and willing to do something to be better (and get more) than the next person... But since your way is the real truth, if so, and all they do is talk about gettng the money and giving it to everyone, where does it come from? I wish you would give up everything, see if it works... that is soo funny. Please pick me to be the one you give millions too! thanks

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> Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been > born, rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I > have such vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers > - boy, had it not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like > yourself, mano-a-mano in the good fight for freedom and Good itself, > why we'd all still be babbling rubbish to this very day, can you > imagine? Yes, Bill, had it not been for my sojourn as a wetback in > america, I'd be talking so much rubbish and no-one would even tell me! > > I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a > man of such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but > Bill, - and I pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but > ... don't you think it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy > your war-debts, or whether it is China and other Asian central banks > that buy them? > You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your > glorious self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is > unfolding for the US economy as you sit there idly massaging your > well-fed belly - > The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your > debt, Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the > Hindenburg ... and how long, Bill, do you think, in all your > glittering pomposity, before the Chinese start selling their US > Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, that the dollar bill, Bill, > starts free-falling like a broker on Wall Street on a Thursday > afternoon ... > See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster > than one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra (and > don't forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer than a > week), which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth (at 3-4%), > becomes about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of bringing democracy > and freedom to the Middle East ... but of course, I am talking > rubbish Bill, already you can see demcracy taking root eh! Oh yes > indeed ... > But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other rubbish > talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved Leader on > one of his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a pretzel > because he was sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise > interest rates into the teens? > > And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese > enemies will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back > your war debt? > And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red > americans with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt > thinking about argentina ... > > See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these > matters), like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the > IMF and World Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign > debt ... but they, like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only > you and dubya really know the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as - how > do you intend to pay for the baby boomers' retirement, medical > care, etc. ... > Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the > rest of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ... > > Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite > astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its > GDP in foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast > that is the US economy. > > Yes, Bill, were it from any authority but you, one would almost think > it lunacy that one can brush brush aside any concern that - were the > US to sustain a growth of 3.2% - achievable only, Bill, ONLY, if the > rest of the world's economies grew at a sustained 4% and that the > dollar, Bill, remains at levels last seen in August 2004 - your > financial deficit with the world, Bill, would be the insignificant > sum of 50% of GDP ... > Yes Bill, were it not for you, Fox and Dubya saying so, why there'd > be panic on the (wall) street and people would be selling dollars > faster than my lamborghini in GTR ... > > Yep, Bill, if anyone other than you had to make the claim that the US > economy would continue to rise at 3.2% while the weakening dollar was > smashing the economies of your major trading partners - well, I'd > think it madness. But Bill, you are the authority, and I bow to your > expertise in voodoo economics. > > After all Bill, only by reducing the dollar will there be any chance > of getting this wonderfully irrelevant one trillion dollar debt under > control - even Bush said so, and he knows his stuff Bill, am I right? > - Which is why the dollar is deflating as we speak, and why it has > dropped by an average of 17% against all its major trading partners > ... > But see, Bill, there's a little problem with this cunning ploy ... > while a (projected) 23% some percent drop in the dollar over the next > four years of your beloved leader's reign as king of the world will > see the foreign debt reduce(reduce, Bill, not vanish, because of the > rise in exports), there are other problems to a deflating dollar ... > namely, Bill, that the economic chaos that this will cause to your > major trading partners will eventually loop back to the US, you see > Bill, because they will no longer be able to afford your exports ... > and as for imports, Bill, well let's say your BMW (you do own a > foreign car, don't you Bill?) will become rather expensive , which > means more economic woe for that troublesome non-american swine > called your trading partners - all of whom, Bill, retain US IOUs - > and they might, Bill, even be reduced to selling them back to you - > which means, Bill, another looping increase in interest rates, and a > further deflation of the dollar, and a further weakening of the > global economies that MUST, Bill, rise at 4% per annum in order for > you, Bill, to pay your war-debt ... > The dollar's drop, Bill, caused VW a 68% decline in revenue ... > > See, Bill, the deflation of the US dollar in order to pay for your > blood-lust (commonly known as your foreign debt), results in a > slow-down in Japan and European economies, Bill, which reduces the > foreign capital that comes into the US, Bill, thereby wrecking your > sustained growth, Bill, of the 3.2% neccessary to pay off the foreign > debt Bill, which means, Bill, that your happy-clappy understanding of > economics is ... well, let's call it exotic, shall we? > > See, Bill, with the baby boomers retiring, the constant price of war, > the deflating dollar, the world's economy slowing down, the central > banks divesting themselves of the US dollar as reserve cuurency ... > well, Bob, were it not you saying so, I'd be thinking the US is up > shit-creek, mate, and your paddle - the Chinese - may just be > thinking this is a good time to annex Taiwan - > > There is a reason why that other foreigner, Bill, Soros, that > traiterous foreigner, has been dumping dollars like an African baby > with dysentry (yes, Bill, the US alone decided not to relieve > Africa's foreign debt, Bill, because you care so much about the > 'little' people of the world, don't you, my little compassionate > conservative friend?). > But Bill, what came above, all that rubbish, was the BEST case > scenario - that's right, Bill - because we haven't even touched on > the worst case scenario, have we - and believe it or not, it involves > them "towel-heads" so beloved by the white house and the freedom > givers itching to bring democracy or death (and hell they're the same > thing as far as them foreigners are concerned, am I right Bill?) to > an expectant world - > See, Bill, a constant decline in the US dollars means a concomitant > decline in foreign investors in the US, and really, Bill, who, > besides you, would want to invest ten bucks and get five bucks back - > certainly not rubbish talkers like myself old man; why, germany and > japan having their stuttering economies ko'd by a strengthening euro > and yen is positvely good news, isn't it, Bill, and that will teach > em germans not to invade the world alongside dubya and his merry band > of freedom giving acolytes ... > But as usual there is a little problem Bill - see, what happens if the > foreign investors in the US, Bill, decide to sell their US securities > because they have become a little annoyed at losing money (negative > interest rates which, Bill, in case you didn't get the brief, is what > is happening now) and no longer believe the dollar is sustainable > even at its current weak levels (lowest since 1992 Bill)? ... > > Yes, Bill, what happens is that the dollar will get the > bitch-slapping of all bitch-slappings and before you can say > argentina, you'll be loading up your pick-up with greenbacks (as > opposed them pesky wetbacks, eh, Bill, for surely you must be one of > them there minutemen, am I right?) to go to the grocery store for > your six-pack ... > But this, Bill, all of this is the good news, isn't it ... because > what dubya and fox and you aren't telling your red-american brethren, > foaming at the mouth at the prospect of more war (I mean liberation!) > is the REALLY good news ... > > The imminent collapse, Bill, of the dollar as the reserve currency of > choice ... and that, Bill, is the sole and only reason why the US > economy can function, Bill, as you may well even know (but I must be > talking rubbish, am I right Bill?) in total dysfuncionality to any > and all market theories - and why is that Bill? > > Well, Bill, at the risk of talking more rubbish, it is beacuse the US > is such a poor exporter ... (now why, Bill, did the dollar devalue so > much?) - and as such, Bill, the only way it can sustain its lobsided > economy is to offer its trading partners (them there foreigners again > Bill, doncha just hate em!) a nice return on their (US) investments > ... but you see, Bill, the US has, in fact, the lowest real interest > rates on the industrialised planet - > > And, see, Bill, this, coupled with what many view as an over-inflated > stock-market and real-estate market, means that your foreign investor > is not interested in investing in the US any longer (not to mention > such added things as political loathing of your right-wing junta) - > and that, Bill, means that the dollar, as the world's resrrve > currency, is very quickly coming to an abrupt and definitive end - > and you know what that means, don't you Bill, for the US economy - it > means the US citizen will, once again, have to practice economics > that applies world wide Bill - a very scary proposition, don't you > think, Bill, for a nation so enamoured with debt ... and what with > those oil prices constantly rising despite your glorious victory in > Iraq .... > But heck, I am only talking rubbish old boy - after all, the dollar is > always going to be the reserve currency of foreign central banks, am I > right, Bill? Yes sir, them pesty Asians that have begun talking about > dropping the dollar - well, they're just gooks, am I right, Bill, and > if they keep it up you'll go My Lai on their yella butts - am I right > Bill? Ya betcha ... > > But Bill, you always have them towel-heads at opec selling their oil > in dollars, am I right? The fact that the U.S. dollar-denominated > deposits fell from 75 percent of total deposits in the third quarter > of 2001 to 61.5 percent in the first quarter of 2002 (before the > war) while the share of Euro denominated deposits rose from 12 > percent to 20 percent over this same period is in no way indicative > of opec deciding to cut their losses and start trading in euro (or > even dinars linked to gold - oh surely not eh Bill!) for oil - no > sir, Bill, that there - like the rest of it - is all rubbish. > > Yes sir, Bill. Only you, Dubya, and the red states - all of whom exist > solely from the immoral donations from blue states - like me, Bill, > and a foreigner to boot, would ya believe - only you guys know the > 'real' truth about the US economy. Yes suh. > > The rest of us. We're just rubbish talkers. > > Enjoy the ride Bill; ol Dubya has you covered. And remember, social > security is communist - and you're better dead (and starving through > your old age) than red (as in commie red, not begging-bowl > red-state-red). > > > Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sW25e.19961$[email hidden]... >> Well Alex, first off the maximum maturity date on all treasury bonds >> currently being offered is 20 years. A few years ago it was out to >> 30 years, therefore, to say we will pay for it forever is incorrect. >> 2nd, if we have a GDP growth rate of 3-4% over the next 20 years, >> the rates we are paying today is peanuts. 3rd, the euroweenies >> provide hardly any of what you call "war funds" (Do you even know >> who buys most of the US Debt?). Lastly, you may want to channel this >> energy in a more positive way and thank god that you live in a >> country that allows you to spout this rubbish in a public fashion. >> >> Bill Bollinger >> >> >> >> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:wq15e.41208$[email hidden]... >>> Glad you think a trillion dollar debt is peanuts - but hey, you're >>> gonna pay for it - and the interest - for the rest of your life, >>> not to mention your kids too, so have fun and don't forget to thank >>> the euroweenies for providing your war funds - and while you're at >>> it, enjoy your social security - it's currently being used to bring >>> democracy and freedom to an ungrteful world. Whatcha gonna do, some >>> people eh! Next thing you know, the US'll go bankrupt just like all >>> empires before it, and all to bring democracy to the world - yes, >>> white man's burdern, ain't it a bitch! "Bill Bollinger" >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:Co15e.19930$[email hidden]... >>>> 1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6 >>>> trillion per year :) >>>> >>>> Bill Bollinger >>>> >>>> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:W615e.46667$[email hidden]... >>>>> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar >>>>> foreign debt thinking about invading a nation other than a third >>>>> world backwater? >>>>> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>>> >>>>>> "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>> news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >>>>>>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no >>>>>>> terror alerts after the election ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the most >>>>>> potent and technologically advanced military in the world, the >>>>>> threat decreases. It may have happened sooner, but there were 8 >>>>>> years in the 90's of failed leadership, that left the >>>>>> intelligence community impotent, and the military weak.

I suspect there may be brilliance in there somewhere. It'll never be found though :( Fully quoted on purpose for effect (in other words, shut the hell up Uwe :)) -Larry "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sw55e.435$[email hidden]...

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> Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans, sheesh, not > only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are y'all the beacons of > shining conservatively compassionate freedom bringing uber-people, but ya > even give me the wonderful gift of free-rubbish-talking - > > Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been born, > rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I have such > vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers - boy, had it > not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like yourself, mano-a-mano > in the good fight for freedom and Good itself, why we'd all still be > babbling rubbish to this very day, can you imagine? Yes, Bill, had it not > been for my sojourn as a wetback in america, I'd be talking so much > rubbish and no-one would even tell me! > > I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a man of > such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but Bill, - and I > pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but ... don't you think > it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy your war-debts, or whether > it is China and other Asian central banks that buy them? > > You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your glorious > self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is unfolding for the US > economy as you sit there idly massaging your well-fed belly - > > The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your debt, > Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the Hindenburg ... and > how long, Bill, do you think, in all your glittering pomposity, before the > Chinese start selling their US Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, > that the dollar bill, Bill, starts free-falling like a broker on Wall > Street on a Thursday afternoon ... > > See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster than > one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra (and don't > forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer than a week), > which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth (at 3-4%), becomes > about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of bringing democracy and freedom > to the Middle East ... but of course, I am talking rubbish Bill, already > you can see demcracy taking root eh! Oh yes indeed ... > > But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other rubbish > talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved Leader on one of > his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a pretzel because he was > sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise interest rates into the > teens? > > And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese enemies > will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back your war debt? > > And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red americans > with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt thinking about > argentina ... > > See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these matters), > like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the IMF and World > Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign debt ... but they, > like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only you and dubya really know > the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as - how do you intend to pay for > the baby boomers' retirement, medical care, etc. ... > > Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the rest > of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ... > > Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite > astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its GDP in > foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast that is the US > economy. > > Yes, Bill, were it from any authority but you, one would almost think it > lunacy that one can brush brush aside any concern that - were the US to > sustain a growth of 3.2% - achievable only, Bill, ONLY, if the rest of the > world's economies grew at a sustained 4% and that the dollar, Bill, > remains at levels last seen in August 2004 - your financial deficit with > the world, Bill, would be the insignificant sum of 50% of GDP ... > > Yes Bill, were it not for you, Fox and Dubya saying so, why there'd be > panic on the (wall) street and people would be selling dollars faster than > my lamborghini in GTR ... > > Yep, Bill, if anyone other than you had to make the claim that the US > economy would continue to rise at 3.2% while the weakening dollar was > smashing the economies of your major trading partners - well, I'd think it > madness. But Bill, you are the authority, and I bow to your expertise in > voodoo economics. > > After all Bill, only by reducing the dollar will there be any chance of > getting this wonderfully irrelevant one trillion dollar debt under > control - even Bush said so, and he knows his stuff Bill, am I right? - > Which is why the dollar is deflating as we speak, and why it has dropped > by an average of 17% against all its major trading partners ... > > But see, Bill, there's a little problem with this cunning ploy ... while a > (projected) 23% some percent drop in the dollar over the next four years > of your beloved leader's reign as king of the world will see the foreign > debt reduce(reduce, Bill, not vanish, because of the rise in exports), > there are other problems to a deflating dollar ... namely, Bill, that the > economic chaos that this will cause to your major trading partners will > eventually loop back to the US, you see Bill, because they will no longer > be able to afford your exports ... and as for imports, Bill, well let's > say your BMW (you do own a foreign car, don't you Bill?) will become > rather expensive , which means more economic woe for that troublesome > non-american swine called your trading partners - all of whom, Bill, > retain US IOUs - and they might, Bill, even be reduced to selling them > back to you - which means, Bill, another looping increase in interest > rates, and a further deflation of the dollar, and a further weakening of > the global economies that MUST, Bill, rise at 4% per annum in order for > you, Bill, to pay your war-debt ... > > The dollar's drop, Bill, caused VW a 68% decline in revenue ... > > See, Bill, the deflation of the US dollar in order to pay for your > blood-lust (commonly known as your foreign debt), results in a slow-down > in Japan and European economies, Bill, which reduces the foreign capital > that comes into the US, Bill, thereby wrecking your sustained growth, > Bill, of the 3.2% neccessary to pay off the foreign debt Bill, which > means, Bill, that your happy-clappy understanding of economics is ... > well, let's call it exotic, shall we? > > See, Bill, with the baby boomers retiring, the constant price of war, the > deflating dollar, the world's economy slowing down, the central banks > divesting themselves of the US dollar as reserve cuurency ... well, Bob, > were it not you saying so, I'd be thinking the US is up shit-creek, mate, > and your paddle - the Chinese - may just be thinking this is a good time > to annex Taiwan - > > There is a reason why that other foreigner, Bill, Soros, that traiterous > foreigner, has been dumping dollars like an African baby with dysentry > (yes, Bill, the US alone decided not to relieve Africa's foreign debt, > Bill, because you care so much about the 'little' people of the world, > don't you, my little compassionate conservative friend?). > > But Bill, what came above, all that rubbish, was the BEST case scenario - > that's right, Bill - because we haven't even touched on the worst case > scenario, have we - and believe it or not, it involves them "towel-heads" > so beloved by the white house and the freedom givers itching to bring > democracy or death (and hell they're the same thing as far as them > foreigners are concerned, am I right Bill?) to an expectant world - > > See, Bill, a constant decline in the US dollars means a concomitant > decline in foreign investors in the US, and really, Bill, who, besides > you, would want to invest ten bucks and get five bucks back - certainly > not rubbish talkers like myself old man; why, germany and japan having > their stuttering economies ko'd by a strengthening euro and yen is > positvely good news, isn't it, Bill, and that will teach em germans not to > invade the world alongside dubya and his merry band of freedom giving > acolytes ... > > But as usual there is a little problem Bill - see, what happens if the > foreign investors in the US, Bill, decide to sell their US securities > because they have become a little annoyed at losing money (negative > interest rates which, Bill, in case you didn't get the brief, is what is > happening now) and no longer believe the dollar is sustainable even at its > current weak levels (lowest since 1992 Bill)? ... > > Yes, Bill, what happens is that the dollar will get the bitch-slapping of > all bitch-slappings and before you can say argentina, you'll be loading up > your pick-up with greenbacks (as opposed them pesky wetbacks, eh, Bill, > for surely you must be one of them there minutemen, am I right?) to go to > the grocery store for your six-pack ... > > But this, Bill, all of this is the good news, isn't it ... because what > dubya and fox and you aren't telling your red-american brethren, foaming > at the mouth at the prospect of more war (I mean liberation!) is the > REALLY good news ... > > The imminent collapse, Bill, of the dollar as the reserve currency of > choice ... and that, Bill, is the sole and only reason why the US economy > can function, Bill, as you may well even know (but I must be talking > rubbish, am I right Bill?) in total dysfuncionality to any and all market > theories - and why is that Bill? > > Well, Bill, at the risk of talking more rubbish, it is beacuse the US is > such a poor exporter ... (now why, Bill, did the dollar devalue so > much?) - and as such, Bill, the only way it can sustain its lobsided > economy is to offer its trading partners (them there foreigners again > Bill, doncha just hate em!) a nice return on their (US) investments ... > but you see, Bill, the US has, in fact, the lowest real interest rates on > the industrialised planet - > > And, see, Bill, this, coupled with what many view as an over-inflated > stock-market and real-estate market, means that your foreign investor is > not interested in investing in the US any longer (not to mention such > added things as political loathing of your right-wing junta) - and that, > Bill, means that the dollar, as the world's resrrve currency, is very > quickly coming to an abrupt and definitive end - and you know what that > means, don't you Bill, for the US economy - it means the US citizen will, > once again, have to practice economics that applies world wide Bill - a > very scary proposition, don't you think, Bill, for a nation so enamoured > with debt ... and what with those oil prices constantly rising despite > your glorious victory in Iraq .... > > But heck, I am only talking rubbish old boy - after all, the dollar is > always going to be the reserve currency of foreign central banks, am I > right, Bill? Yes sir, them pesty Asians that have begun talking about > dropping the dollar - well, they're just gooks, am I right, Bill, and if > they keep it up you'll go My Lai on their yella butts - am I right Bill? > Ya betcha ... > > But Bill, you always have them towel-heads at opec selling their oil in > dollars, am I right? The fact that the U.S. dollar-denominated deposits > fell from 75 percent of total deposits in the third quarter of 2001 to > 61.5 percent in the first quarter of 2002 (before the war) while the > share of Euro denominated deposits rose from 12 percent to 20 percent over > this same period is in no way indicative of opec deciding to cut their > losses and start trading in euro (or even dinars linked to gold - oh > surely not eh Bill!) for oil - no sir, Bill, that there - like the rest of > it - is all rubbish. > > Yes sir, Bill. Only you, Dubya, and the red states - all of whom exist > solely from the immoral donations from blue states - like me, Bill, and a > foreigner to boot, would ya believe - only you guys know the 'real' truth > about the US economy. Yes suh. > > The rest of us. We're just rubbish talkers. > > Enjoy the ride Bill; ol Dubya has you covered. And remember, social > security is communist - and you're better dead (and starving through your > old age) than red (as in commie red, not begging-bowl red-state-red). > > > > Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sW25e.19961$[email hidden]... >> Well Alex, first off the maximum maturity date on all treasury bonds >> currently being offered is 20 years. A few years ago it was out to 30 >> years, therefore, to say we will pay for it forever is incorrect. 2nd, >> if we have a GDP growth rate of 3-4% over the next 20 years, the rates we >> are paying today is peanuts. 3rd, the euroweenies provide hardly any of >> what you call "war funds" (Do you even know who buys most of the US >> Debt?). Lastly, you may want to channel this energy in a more positive >> way and thank god that you live in a country that allows you to spout >> this rubbish in a public fashion. >> >> Bill Bollinger >> >> >> >> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:wq15e.41208$[email hidden]... >>> Glad you think a trillion dollar debt is peanuts - but hey, you're gonna >>> pay for it - and the interest - for the rest of your life, not to >>> mention your kids too, so have fun and don't forget to thank the >>> euroweenies for providing your war funds - and while you're at it, enjoy >>> your social security - it's currently being used to bring democracy and >>> freedom to an ungrteful world. Whatcha gonna do, some people eh! Next >>> thing you know, the US'll go bankrupt just like all empires before it, >>> and all to bring democracy to the world - yes, white man's burdern, >>> ain't it a bitch! >>> "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:Co15e.19930$[email hidden]... >>>>1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6 >>>>trillion per year :) >>>> >>>> Bill Bollinger >>>> >>>> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:W615e.46667$[email hidden]... >>>>> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar foreign >>>>> debt thinking about invading a nation other than a third world >>>>> backwater? >>>>> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>>> >>>>>> "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>> news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >>>>>>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no >>>>>>> terror alerts after the election ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the most >>>>>> potent and technologically advanced military in the world, the threat >>>>>> decreases. It may have happened sooner, but there were 8 years in the >>>>>> 90's of failed leadership, that left the intelligence community >>>>>> impotent, and the military weak. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us... -Larry "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has > to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration, > that was not America's reason for entering the war.

Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us... -Larry >I agree with the fact that oil flow has

Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're talking about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet outside the US haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with any significant power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has been in power for 20 of the last 28 years ... second, you and I are in agreement that the credit loving red-staters will eventually bring your empire to its knees - it's a pity that you spent so much time listening to rush and savage and bush and have forgotten that there was once a social contract between the people of the US and its government - where the government was obliged to use the tax revenue for purposes other than foreign adventures; But it is senseless even arguing with you, Plowboy, because you really believe don't you ... that the US - whose "defense" spending amounts to 40% of all defense spending on the planet - needs to spend in the region of 500billion dollars a year (not including incedentals like Iraq eh) to defend themselves against a bunch of cave-dwellers with semi-automatics ... yes, Plowboy, undoubtedly you are right, social security means military security ... after all, rather old and poor than young and wearing a turban when al qaeda invade florida ... dear Plowboy, there was once a time when America understood not only its place in the world, but its place vis-a-vis its government; they are squandering your heritage and your future, dear Plowboy, and no amount of chest-beating on talk radio is going to save you from a retirement of cat food and unpaid medical bills ... Plowboy, remember that as you dismantle the great social contract of Jefferson and Roosevelt, you are dismantling what has made your nation great ... but what does it all mean, Plowboy, when foreigners like myself come to your nation and criticise ... why, I must be alone in rejecting your right-wing politics, and those other 40million who voted against you and your beloved leader - well I bet they too are foreigners ... am I right, Plowboy? Indeed, only you - and your acolytes screaming about nuking "Arabia" on right-wing radio are the true representatives of America ... "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Nfe5e.11861$AL.5031@lakeread08...

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> > alex martini enlightened us with: >> Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans, sheesh, >> not only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are y'all the >> beacons of shining conservatively compassionate freedom bringing >> uber-people, but ya even give me the wonderful gift of >> free-rubbish-talking - > > You talk about Pompus, f*ck me what did you call this shit you write? > > If that country you were born in, was soo fucking great, why you here? > would I dare guess that maybe there is better here where you are at? > Maybe you earn more money, let alone are being given more out in welfare > things, you know parks, only 1/3rd of your earnings in taxes, nicer homes > to choose from, better schools? maybe just life in general you fuck... > That is, compared to where you were born was what? please mr so eloquent, > enlighten us with the stories of no poverty, noone scared to dare say > anything real or implied against the 'ruling class' or government from > that country you so proud of? Here all you are faced with is you make a > stupid comment the govenrment aint gonna kill your sister-brother-cousins- > or babies, but by god, some of us here are prolly going to say DUMBASS! > you compare that to what again, some country? > > Jesus Chrysler you are pompus... SO, All your troubles will be gone, you > think, give everything you earn to the government they will treat you > well, provide not only you but everyone with what we all need... do it > then, but leave me the f*ck alone because I (and more like me) want more > and are willing to work/sacrifice my sweat and years of my life, to get > it. Look at this goddam country's population at our age (roughly 20-40 > years of age), over half will follow you, if they think the government > will give them a goddam HDTV big screen, 2 cars, and 2 bathrooms in every > goddam home@! BUT I argue only because I refuse ta accept that You're > that stupid???? REALLY? > > 70% of this great country have NOT saved even $5000 dollars towards life > after retirement, the damn same 70% thinks the government will keep thier > lifestyle as it is now (prime earning level ages of your whole life) 70% > of american spend a big % more $$ than they *earn* each year, thanks to > fucking credit cards, and good old credit... You people dont have even > the survival mentality of cave men, back when they had to kill to eat, > people nowdays think they can eat 2 deer by killing one, where is the > other deer and how'd you get it? > > Buying cars they cannot fathom the loss of money in it, to impress people > they dont even know or like... They like you are walking around thinking > like GOMER PYLE on Valuim, are going to get to where they have to retire > someday, and go "SHAZAM!!! I dont have any money, the governement owes me > the money!!! GIVE ME MORE MONEY!!!" If you dont believe me, look at the > Baby Boomers now!!! > > Oh well... > Apparenlty you can have it now, in New York, but not where you were born? > have you done it yet? How about the babies in that same hospital ward you > were in? What? you dont think like minded people you look up to are > living on "what the government feels they need" do you? wait... take > that back.... not to confuse you I want you to be clear and not jaded. > If you give up everything I mean everything, you think the government will > make you as happy as they have seen fit to make the democrats of whom you > agree, that you support? I mean how do you justify you getting that kind > of money but maybe not me? You preaching fuck... you do like kings and > decided you are better? least the way it is now you actually have to > prove you are stronger, smarter, and willing to do something to be better > (and get more) than the next person... > > But since your way is the real truth, if so, and all they do is talk about > gettng the money and giving it to everyone, where does it come from? I > wish you would give up everything, see if it works... that is soo funny. > Please pick me to be the one you give millions too! thanks > >> Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been >> born, rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I >> have such vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers >> - boy, had it not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like >> yourself, mano-a-mano in the good fight for freedom and Good itself, >> why we'd all still be babbling rubbish to this very day, can you >> imagine? Yes, Bill, had it not been for my sojourn as a wetback in >> america, I'd be talking so much rubbish and no-one would even tell me! >> >> I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a >> man of such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but >> Bill, - and I pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but >> ... don't you think it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy >> your war-debts, or whether it is China and other Asian central banks >> that buy them? >> You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your >> glorious self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is >> unfolding for the US economy as you sit there idly massaging your >> well-fed belly - >> The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your >> debt, Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the >> Hindenburg ... and how long, Bill, do you think, in all your >> glittering pomposity, before the Chinese start selling their US >> Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, that the dollar bill, Bill, >> starts free-falling like a broker on Wall Street on a Thursday >> afternoon ... >> See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster >> than one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra (and >> don't forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer than a >> week), which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth (at 3-4%), >> becomes about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of bringing democracy >> and freedom to the Middle East ... but of course, I am talking >> rubbish Bill, already you can see demcracy taking root eh! Oh yes >> indeed ... >> But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other rubbish >> talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved Leader on >> one of his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a pretzel >> because he was sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise >> interest rates into the teens? >> >> And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese >> enemies will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back >> your war debt? >> And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red >> americans with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt >> thinking about argentina ... >> >> See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these >> matters), like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the >> IMF and World Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign >> debt ... but they, like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only >> you and dubya really know the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as - how >> do you intend to pay for the baby boomers' retirement, medical >> care, etc. ... >> Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the >> rest of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ... >> >> Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite >> astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its >> GDP in foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast >> that is the US economy. >> >> Yes, Bill, were it from any authority but you, one would almost think >> it lunacy that one can brush brush aside any concern that - were the >> US to sustain a growth of 3.2% - achievable only, Bill, ONLY, if the >> rest of the world's economies grew at a sustained 4% and that the >> dollar, Bill, remains at levels last seen in August 2004 - your >> financial deficit with the world, Bill, would be the insignificant >> sum of 50% of GDP ... >> Yes Bill, were it not for you, Fox and Dubya saying so, why there'd >> be panic on the (wall) street and people would be selling dollars >> faster than my lamborghini in GTR ... >> >> Yep, Bill, if anyone other than you had to make the claim that the US >> economy would continue to rise at 3.2% while the weakening dollar was >> smashing the economies of your major trading partners - well, I'd >> think it madness. But Bill, you are the authority, and I bow to your >> expertise in voodoo economics. >> >> After all Bill, only by reducing the dollar will there be any chance >> of getting this wonderfully irrelevant one trillion dollar debt under >> control - even Bush said so, and he knows his stuff Bill, am I right? >> - Which is why the dollar is deflating as we speak, and why it has >> dropped by an average of 17% against all its major trading partners >> ... >> But see, Bill, there's a little problem with this cunning ploy ... >> while a (projected) 23% some percent drop in the dollar over the next >> four years of your beloved leader's reign as king of the world will >> see the foreign debt reduce(reduce, Bill, not vanish, because of the >> rise in exports), there are other problems to a deflating dollar ... >> namely, Bill, that the economic chaos that this will cause to your >> major trading partners will eventually loop back to the US, you see >> Bill, because they will no longer be able to afford your exports ... >> and as for imports, Bill, well let's say your BMW (you do own a >> foreign car, don't you Bill?) will become rather expensive , which >> means more economic woe for that troublesome non-american swine >> called your trading partners - all of whom, Bill, retain US IOUs - >> and they might, Bill, even be reduced to selling them back to you - >> which means, Bill, another looping increase in interest rates, and a >> further deflation of the dollar, and a further weakening of the >> global economies that MUST, Bill, rise at 4% per annum in order for >> you, Bill, to pay your war-debt ... >> The dollar's drop, Bill, caused VW a 68% decline in revenue ... >> >> See, Bill, the deflation of the US dollar in order to pay for your >> blood-lust (commonly known as your foreign debt), results in a >> slow-down in Japan and European economies, Bill, which reduces the >> foreign capital that comes into the US, Bill, thereby wrecking your >> sustained growth, Bill, of the 3.2% neccessary to pay off the foreign >> debt Bill, which means, Bill, that your happy-clappy understanding of >> economics is ... well, let's call it exotic, shall we? >> >> See, Bill, with the baby boomers retiring, the constant price of war, >> the deflating dollar, the world's economy slowing down, the central >> banks divesting themselves of the US dollar as reserve cuurency ... >> well, Bob, were it not you saying so, I'd be thinking the US is up >> shit-creek, mate, and your paddle - the Chinese - may just be >> thinking this is a good time to annex Taiwan - >> >> There is a reason why that other foreigner, Bill, Soros, that >> traiterous foreigner, has been dumping dollars like an African baby >> with dysentry (yes, Bill, the US alone decided not to relieve >> Africa's foreign debt, Bill, because you care so much about the >> 'little' people of the world, don't you, my little compassionate >> conservative friend?). >> But Bill, what came above, all that rubbish, was the BEST case >> scenario - that's right, Bill - because we haven't even touched on >> the worst case scenario, have we - and believe it or not, it involves >> them "towel-heads" so beloved by the white house and the freedom >> givers itching to bring democracy or death (and hell they're the same >> thing as far as them foreigners are concerned, am I right Bill?) to >> an expectant world - >> See, Bill, a constant decline in the US dollars means a concomitant >> decline in foreign investors in the US, and really, Bill, who, >> besides you, would want to invest ten bucks and get five bucks back - >> certainly not rubbish talkers like myself old man; why, germany and >> japan having their stuttering economies ko'd by a strengthening euro >> and yen is positvely good news, isn't it, Bill, and that will teach >> em germans not to invade the world alongside dubya and his merry band >> of freedom giving acolytes ... >> But as usual there is a little problem Bill - see, what happens if the >> foreign investors in the US, Bill, decide to sell their US securities >> because they have become a little annoyed at losing money (negative >> interest rates which, Bill, in case you didn't get the brief, is what >> is happening now) and no longer believe the dollar is sustainable >> even at its current weak levels (lowest since 1992 Bill)? ... >> >> Yes, Bill, what happens is that the dollar will get the >> bitch-slapping of all bitch-slappings and before you can say >> argentina, you'll be loading up your pick-up with greenbacks (as >> opposed them pesky wetbacks, eh, Bill, for surely you must be one of >> them there minutemen, am I right?) to go to the grocery store for >> your six-pack ... >> But this, Bill, all of this is the good news, isn't it ... because >> what dubya and fox and you aren't telling your red-american brethren, >> foaming at the mouth at the prospect of more war (I mean liberation!) >> is the REALLY good news ... >> >> The imminent collapse, Bill, of the dollar as the reserve currency of >> choice ... and that, Bill, is the sole and only reason why the US >> economy can function, Bill, as you may well even know (but I must be >> talking rubbish, am I right Bill?) in total dysfuncionality to any >> and all market theories - and why is that Bill? >> >> Well, Bill, at the risk of talking more rubbish, it is beacuse the US >> is such a poor exporter ... (now why, Bill, did the dollar devalue so >> much?) - and as such, Bill, the only way it can sustain its lobsided >> economy is to offer its trading partners (them there foreigners again >> Bill, doncha just hate em!) a nice return on their (US) investments >> ... but you see, Bill, the US has, in fact, the lowest real interest >> rates on the industrialised planet - >> >> And, see, Bill, this, coupled with what many view as an over-inflated >> stock-market and real-estate market, means that your foreign investor >> is not interested in investing in the US any longer (not to mention >> such added things as political loathing of your right-wing junta) - >> and that, Bill, means that the dollar, as the world's resrrve >> currency, is very quickly coming to an abrupt and definitive end - >> and you know what that means, don't you Bill, for the US economy - it >> means the US citizen will, once again, have to practice economics >> that applies world wide Bill - a very scary proposition, don't you >> think, Bill, for a nation so enamoured with debt ... and what with >> those oil prices constantly rising despite your glorious victory in >> Iraq .... >> But heck, I am only talking rubbish old boy - after all, the dollar is >> always going to be the reserve currency of foreign central banks, am I >> right, Bill? Yes sir, them pesty Asians that have begun talking about >> dropping the dollar - well, they're just gooks, am I right, Bill, and >> if they keep it up you'll go My Lai on their yella butts - am I right >> Bill? Ya betcha ... >> >> But Bill, you always have them towel-heads at opec selling their oil >> in dollars, am I right? The fact that the U.S. dollar-denominated >> deposits fell from 75 percent of total deposits in the third quarter >> of 2001 to 61.5 percent in the first quarter of 2002 (before the >> war) while the share of Euro denominated deposits rose from 12 >> percent to 20 percent over this same period is in no way indicative >> of opec deciding to cut their losses and start trading in euro (or >> even dinars linked to gold - oh surely not eh Bill!) for oil - no >> sir, Bill, that there - like the rest of it - is all rubbish. >> >> Yes sir, Bill. Only you, Dubya, and the red states - all of whom exist >> solely from the immoral donations from blue states - like me, Bill, >> and a foreigner to boot, would ya believe - only you guys know the >> 'real' truth about the US economy. Yes suh. >> >> The rest of us. We're just rubbish talkers. >> >> Enjoy the ride Bill; ol Dubya has you covered. And remember, social >> security is communist - and you're better dead (and starving through >> your old age) than red (as in commie red, not begging-bowl >> red-state-red). >> >> >> Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:sW25e.19961$[email hidden]... >>> Well Alex, first off the maximum maturity date on all treasury bonds >>> currently being offered is 20 years. A few years ago it was out to >>> 30 years, therefore, to say we will pay for it forever is incorrect. >>> 2nd, if we have a GDP growth rate of 3-4% over the next 20 years, >>> the rates we are paying today is peanuts. 3rd, the euroweenies >>> provide hardly any of what you call "war funds" (Do you even know >>> who buys most of the US Debt?). Lastly, you may want to channel this >>> energy in a more positive way and thank god that you live in a >>> country that allows you to spout this rubbish in a public fashion. >>> >>> Bill Bollinger >>> >>> >>> >>> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:wq15e.41208$[email hidden]... >>>> Glad you think a trillion dollar debt is peanuts - but hey, you're >>>> gonna pay for it - and the interest - for the rest of your life, >>>> not to mention your kids too, so have fun and don't forget to thank >>>> the euroweenies for providing your war funds - and while you're at >>>> it, enjoy your social security - it's currently being used to bring >>>> democracy and freedom to an ungrteful world. Whatcha gonna do, some >>>> people eh! Next thing you know, the US'll go bankrupt just like all >>>> empires before it, and all to bring democracy to the world - yes, >>>> white man's burdern, ain't it a bitch! "Bill Bollinger" >>>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:Co15e.19930$[email hidden]... >>>>> 1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6 >>>>> trillion per year :) >>>>> >>>>> Bill Bollinger >>>>> >>>>> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>> news:W615e.46667$[email hidden]... >>>>>> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar >>>>>> foreign debt thinking about invading a nation other than a third >>>>>> world backwater? >>>>>> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >>>>>>>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no >>>>>>>> terror alerts after the election ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the most >>>>>>> potent and technologically advanced military in the world, the >>>>>>> threat decreases. It may have happened sooner, but there were 8 >>>>>>> years in the 90's of failed leadership, that left the >>>>>>> intelligence community impotent, and the military weak. > >

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> Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us... > > -Larry > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> > > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration, >> that was not America's reason for entering the war. > >

Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time. But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far. Alanb

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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Qne5e.18$B93.9@lakeread06... > > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us... > > > > -Larry > > > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> > > > > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has > >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration, > >> that was not America's reason for entering the war. > > > > > > Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time. > > But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far. > > Alanb

LOL. Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned. Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still be a start. -- David G Fisher

Hey! They DID find WMD - it was reported on FOX news! They found them there castor beans - three whole bags of it! And if castor beans are ingested by terrorists, and they board a plane to New York, why the noxious gasses produced from their bodily excretions would be enough to render the entire plane unconscious or, worse, comatose! We were THAT close to global disaster - and only dubya saved us from the doom of the castor beans! "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Qne5e.18$B93.9@lakeread06... >> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us... >> > >> > -Larry >> > >> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> >> > >> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has >> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration, >> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war. >> > >> > >> >> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time. >> >> But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far. >> >> Alanb > > LOL. > > Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned. > > Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still > be > a start. > > > -- > David G Fisher > > >

You are a bonafide troll! you have nothing but bullshit to spew.. like it is not blue states that have credit problem? grow up and visit again someday, you wanker. alex martini enlightened us with:

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> Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're > talking about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet > outside the US haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with > any significant power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has > been in power for 20 of the last 28 years ... > > second, you and I are in agreement that the credit loving red-staters > will eventually bring your empire to its knees - it's a pity that you > spent so much time listening to rush and savage and bush and have > forgotten that there was once a social contract between the people of > the US and its government - where the government was obliged to use > the tax revenue for purposes other than foreign adventures; > > But it is senseless even arguing with you, Plowboy, because you really > believe don't you ... that the US - whose "defense" spending amounts > to 40% of all defense spending on the planet - needs to spend in the > region of 500billion dollars a year (not including incedentals like > Iraq eh) to defend themselves against a bunch of cave-dwellers with > semi-automatics ... yes, Plowboy, undoubtedly you are right, social > security means military security ... after all, rather old and poor > than young and wearing a turban when al qaeda invade florida ... > > dear Plowboy, there was once a time when America understood not only > its place in the world, but its place vis-a-vis its government; they > are squandering your heritage and your future, dear Plowboy, and no > amount of chest-beating on talk radio is going to save you from a > retirement of cat food and unpaid medical bills ... > > Plowboy, remember that as you dismantle the great social contract of > Jefferson and Roosevelt, you are dismantling what has made your > nation great ... but what does it all mean, Plowboy, when foreigners > like myself come to your nation and criticise ... why, I must be > alone in rejecting your right-wing politics, and those other > 40million who voted against you and your beloved leader - well I bet > they too are foreigners ... am I right, Plowboy? Indeed, only you - > and your acolytes screaming about nuking "Arabia" on right-wing radio > are the true representatives of America ... > "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Nfe5e.11861$AL.5031@lakeread08... >> >> alex martini enlightened us with: >>> Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans, >>> sheesh, not only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are >>> y'all the beacons of shining conservatively compassionate freedom >>> bringing uber-people, but ya even give me the wonderful gift of >>> free-rubbish-talking - >> >> You talk about Pompus, f*ck me what did you call this shit you >> write? If that country you were born in, was soo fucking great, why you >> here? would I dare guess that maybe there is better here where you >> are at? Maybe you earn more money, let alone are being given more >> out in welfare things, you know parks, only 1/3rd of your earnings >> in taxes, nicer homes to choose from, better schools? maybe just >> life in general you fuck... That is, compared to where you were born >> was what? please mr so eloquent, enlighten us with the stories of >> no poverty, noone scared to dare say anything real or implied >> against the 'ruling class' or government from that country you so >> proud of? Here all you are faced with is you make a stupid comment >> the govenrment aint gonna kill your sister-brother-cousins- or >> babies, but by god, some of us here are prolly going to say DUMBASS! >> you compare that to what again, some country? Jesus Chrysler you are >> pompus... SO, All your troubles will be >> gone, you think, give everything you earn to the government they >> will treat you well, provide not only you but everyone with what we >> all need... do it then, but leave me the f*ck alone because I (and >> more like me) want more and are willing to work/sacrifice my sweat >> and years of my life, to get it. Look at this goddam country's >> population at our age (roughly 20-40 years of age), over half will >> follow you, if they think the government will give them a goddam >> HDTV big screen, 2 cars, and 2 bathrooms in every goddam home@! BUT >> I argue only because I refuse ta accept that You're that stupid???? >> REALLY? 70% of this great country have NOT saved even $5000 dollars >> towards >> life after retirement, the damn same 70% thinks the government will >> keep thier lifestyle as it is now (prime earning level ages of your >> whole life) 70% of american spend a big % more $$ than they *earn* >> each year, thanks to fucking credit cards, and good old credit... You >> people dont have even the survival mentality of cave men, back >> when they had to kill to eat, people nowdays think they can eat 2 >> deer by killing one, where is the other deer and how'd you get it? >> >> Buying cars they cannot fathom the loss of money in it, to impress >> people they dont even know or like... They like you are walking >> around thinking like GOMER PYLE on Valuim, are going to get to where >> they have to retire someday, and go "SHAZAM!!! I dont have any >> money, the governement owes me the money!!! GIVE ME MORE MONEY!!!" If >> you dont believe me, look at the Baby Boomers now!!! >> >> Oh well... >> Apparenlty you can have it now, in New York, but not where you were >> born? have you done it yet? How about the babies in that same >> hospital ward you were in? What? you dont think like minded >> people you look up to are living on "what the government feels they >> need" do you? wait... take that back.... not to confuse you I >> want you to be clear and not jaded. If you give up everything I mean >> everything, you think the government will make you as happy as they >> have seen fit to make the democrats of whom you agree, that you >> support? I mean how do you justify you getting that kind of money >> but maybe not me? You preaching fuck... you do like kings and >> decided you are better? least the way it is now you actually have >> to prove you are stronger, smarter, and willing to do something to >> be better (and get more) than the next person... But since your way is >> the real truth, if so, and all they do is talk >> about gettng the money and giving it to everyone, where does it come >> from? I wish you would give up everything, see if it works... that >> is soo funny. Please pick me to be the one you give millions too! thanks >>> Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been >>> born, rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I >>> have such vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers >>> - boy, had it not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like >>> yourself, mano-a-mano in the good fight for freedom and Good itself, >>> why we'd all still be babbling rubbish to this very day, can you >>> imagine? Yes, Bill, had it not been for my sojourn as a wetback in >>> america, I'd be talking so much rubbish and no-one would even tell >>> me! I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a >>> man of such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but >>> Bill, - and I pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but >>> ... don't you think it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy >>> your war-debts, or whether it is China and other Asian central banks >>> that buy them? >>> You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your >>> glorious self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is >>> unfolding for the US economy as you sit there idly massaging your >>> well-fed belly - >>> The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your >>> debt, Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the >>> Hindenburg ... and how long, Bill, do you think, in all your >>> glittering pomposity, before the Chinese start selling their US >>> Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, that the dollar bill, Bill, >>> starts free-falling like a broker on Wall Street on a Thursday >>> afternoon ... >>> See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster >>> than one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra >>> (and don't forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer >>> than a week), which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth >>> (at 3-4%), becomes about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of >>> bringing democracy and freedom to the Middle East ... but of >>> course, I am talking rubbish Bill, already you can see demcracy taking >>> root eh! Oh yes >>> indeed ... >>> But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other >>> rubbish talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved >>> Leader on one of his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a >>> pretzel >>> because he was sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise >>> interest rates into the teens? >>> >>> And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese >>> enemies will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back >>> your war debt? >>> And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red >>> americans with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt >>> thinking about argentina ... >>> >>> See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these >>> matters), like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the >>> IMF and World Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign >>> debt ... but they, like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only >>> you and dubya really know the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as >>> - how do you intend to pay for the baby boomers' retirement, medical >>> care, etc. ... >>> Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the >>> rest of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ... >>> >>> Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite >>> astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its >>> GDP in foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast >>> that is the US economy. >>> >>> Yes, Bill, were it from any authority but you, one would almost >>> think it lunacy that one can brush brush aside any concern that - were >>> the >>> US to sustain a growth of 3.2% - achievable only, Bill, ONLY, if the >>> rest of the world's economies grew at a sustained 4% and that the >>> dollar, Bill, remains at levels last seen in August 2004 - your >>> financial deficit with the world, Bill, would be the insignificant >>> sum of 50% of GDP ... >>> Yes Bill, were it not for you, Fox and Dubya saying so, why there'd >>> be panic on the (wall) street and people would be selling dollars >>> faster than my lamborghini in GTR ... >>> >>> Yep, Bill, if anyone other than you had to make the claim that the >>> US economy would continue to rise at 3.2% while the weakening >>> dollar was smashing the economies of your major trading partners - >>> well, I'd think it madness. But Bill, you are the authority, and I bow >>> to your >>> expertise in voodoo economics. >>> >>> After all Bill, only by reducing the dollar will there be any chance >>> of getting this wonderfully irrelevant one trillion dollar debt >>> under control - even Bush said so, and he knows his stuff Bill, am >>> I right? - Which is why the dollar is deflating as we speak, and >>> why it has dropped by an average of 17% against all its major >>> trading partners ... >>> But see, Bill, there's a little problem with this cunning ploy ... >>> while a (projected) 23% some percent drop in the dollar over the >>> next four years of your beloved leader's reign as king of the world >>> will see the foreign debt reduce(reduce, Bill, not vanish, because of >>> the >>> rise in exports), there are other problems to a deflating dollar ... >>> namely, Bill, that the economic chaos that this will cause to your >>> major trading partners will eventually loop back to the US, you see >>> Bill, because they will no longer be able to afford your exports ... >>> and as for imports, Bill, well let's say your BMW (you do own a >>> foreign car, don't you Bill?) will become rather expensive , which >>> means more economic woe for that troublesome non-american swine >>> called your trading partners - all of whom, Bill, retain US IOUs - >>> and they might, Bill, even be reduced to selling them back to you - >>> which means, Bill, another looping increase in interest rates, and a >>> further deflation of the dollar, and a further weakening of the >>> global economies that MUST, Bill, rise at 4% per annum in order for >>> you, Bill, to pay your war-debt ... >>> The dollar's drop, Bill, caused VW a 68% decline in revenue ... >>> >>> See, Bill, the deflation of the US dollar in order to pay for your >>> blood-lust (commonly known as your foreign debt), results in a >>> slow-down in Japan and European economies, Bill, which reduces the >>> foreign capital that comes into the US, Bill, thereby wrecking your >>> sustained growth, Bill, of the 3.2% neccessary to pay off the >>> foreign debt Bill, which means, Bill, that your happy-clappy >>> understanding of economics is ... well, let's call it exotic, shall >>> we? See, Bill, with the baby boomers retiring, the constant price of >>> war, the deflating dollar, the world's economy slowing down, the >>> central banks divesting themselves of the US dollar as reserve >>> cuurency ... well, Bob, were it not you saying so, I'd be thinking >>> the US is up shit-creek, mate, and your paddle - the Chinese - may >>> just be thinking this is a good time to annex Taiwan - >>> >>> There is a reason why that other foreigner, Bill, Soros, that >>> traiterous foreigner, has been dumping dollars like an African baby >>> with dysentry (yes, Bill, the US alone decided not to relieve >>> Africa's foreign debt, Bill, because you care so much about the >>> 'little' people of the world, don't you, my little compassionate >>> conservative friend?). >>> But Bill, what came above, all that rubbish, was the BEST case >>> scenario - that's right, Bill - because we haven't even touched on >>> the worst case scenario, have we - and believe it or not, it >>> involves them "towel-heads" so beloved by the white house and the >>> freedom givers itching to bring democracy or death (and hell they're the >>> same thing as far as them foreigners are concerned, am I right >>> Bill?) to an expectant world - >>> See, Bill, a constant decline in the US dollars means a concomitant >>> decline in foreign investors in the US, and really, Bill, who, >>> besides you, would want to invest ten bucks and get five bucks back >>> - certainly not rubbish talkers like myself old man; why, germany >>> and japan having their stuttering economies ko'd by a strengthening >>> euro and yen is positvely good news, isn't it, Bill, and that will teach >>> em germans not to invade the world alongside dubya and his merry >>> band of freedom giving acolytes ... >>> But as usual there is a little problem Bill - see, what happens if >>> the foreign investors in the US, Bill, decide to sell their US >>> securities because they have become a little annoyed at losing >>> money (negative interest rates which, Bill, in case you didn't get >>> the brief, is what is happening now) and no longer believe the dollar is >>> sustainable >>> even at its current weak levels (lowest since 1992 Bill)? ... >>> >>> Yes, Bill, what happens is that the dollar will get the >>> bitch-slapping of all bitch-slappings and before you can say >>> argentina, you'll be loading up your pick-up with greenbacks (as >>> opposed them pesky wetbacks, eh, Bill, for surely you must be one of >>> them there minutemen, am I right?) to go to the grocery store for >>> your six-pack ... >>> But this, Bill, all of this is the good news, isn't it ... because >>> what dubya and fox and you aren't telling your red-american >>> brethren, foaming at the mouth at the prospect of more war (I mean >>> liberation!) is the REALLY good news ... >>> >>> The imminent collapse, Bill, of the dollar as the reserve currency >>> of choice ... and that, Bill, is the sole and only reason why the US >>> economy can function, Bill, as you may well even know (but I must be >>> talking rubbish, am I right Bill?) in total dysfuncionality to any >>> and all market theories - and why is that Bill? >>> >>> Well, Bill, at the risk of talking more rubbish, it is beacuse the >>> US is such a poor exporter ... (now why, Bill, did the dollar devalue >>> so much?) - and as such, Bill, the only way it can sustain its >>> lobsided economy is to offer its trading partners (them there >>> foreigners again Bill, doncha just hate em!) a nice return on their >>> (US) investments ... but you see, Bill, the US has, in fact, the >>> lowest real interest rates on the industrialised planet - >>> >>> And, see, Bill, this, coupled with what many view as an >>> over-inflated stock-market and real-estate market, means that your >>> foreign investor is not interested in investing in the US any longer >>> (not to mention >>> such added things as political loathing of your right-wing junta) - >>> and that, Bill, means that the dollar, as the world's resrrve >>> currency, is very quickly coming to an abrupt and definitive end - >>> and you know what that means, don't you Bill, for the US economy - >>> it means the US citizen will, once again, have to practice economics >>> that applies world wide Bill - a very scary proposition, don't you >>> think, Bill, for a nation so enamoured with debt ... and what with >>> those oil prices constantly rising despite your glorious victory in >>> Iraq .... >>> But heck, I am only talking rubbish old boy - after all, the dollar >>> is always going to be the reserve currency of foreign central >>> banks, am I right, Bill? Yes sir, them pesty Asians that have begun >>> talking about dropping the dollar - well, they're just gooks, am I >>> right, Bill, and if they keep it up you'll go My Lai on their yella >>> butts - am I >>> right Bill? Ya betcha ... >>> >>> But Bill, you always have them towel-heads at opec selling their oil >>> in dollars, am I right? The fact that the U.S. dollar-denominated >>> deposits fell from 75 percent of total deposits in the third quarter >>> of 2001 to 61.5 percent in the first quarter of 2002 (before the >>> war) while the share of Euro denominated deposits rose from 12 >>> percent to 20 percent over this same period is in no way indicative >>> of opec deciding to cut their losses and start trading in euro (or >>> even dinars linked to gold - oh surely not eh Bill!) for oil - no >>> sir, Bill, that there - like the rest of it - is all rubbish. >>> >>> Yes sir, Bill. Only you, Dubya, and the red states - all of whom >>> exist solely from the immoral donations from blue states - like me, >>> Bill, and a foreigner to boot, would ya believe - only you guys know the >>> 'real' truth about the US economy. Yes suh. >>> >>> The rest of us. We're just rubbish talkers. >>> >>> Enjoy the ride Bill; ol Dubya has you covered. And remember, social >>> security is communist - and you're better dead (and starving through >>> your old age) than red (as in commie red, not begging-bowl >>> red-state-red). >>> >>> >>> Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:sW25e.19961$[email hidden]... >>>> Well Alex, first off the maximum maturity date on all treasury >>>> bonds currently being offered is 20 years. A few years ago it was >>>> out to 30 years, therefore, to say we will pay for it forever is >>>> incorrect. 2nd, if we have a GDP growth rate of 3-4% over the next >>>> 20 years, the rates we are paying today is peanuts. 3rd, the >>>> euroweenies provide hardly any of what you call "war funds" (Do >>>> you even know who buys most of the US Debt?). Lastly, you may want >>>> to channel this energy in a more positive way and thank god that >>>> you live in a country that allows you to spout this rubbish in a >>>> public fashion. Bill Bollinger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:wq15e.41208$[email hidden]... >>>>> Glad you think a trillion dollar debt is peanuts - but hey, you're >>>>> gonna pay for it - and the interest - for the rest of your life, >>>>> not to mention your kids too, so have fun and don't forget to >>>>> thank the euroweenies for providing your war funds - and while >>>>> you're at it, enjoy your social security - it's currently being >>>>> used to bring democracy and freedom to an ungrteful world. >>>>> Whatcha gonna do, some people eh! Next thing you know, the US'll >>>>> go bankrupt just like all empires before it, and all to bring >>>>> democracy to the world - yes, white man's burdern, ain't it a >>>>> bitch! "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in >>>>> message news:Co15e.19930$[email hidden]... >>>>>> 1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6 >>>>>> trillion per year :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Bollinger >>>>>> >>>>>> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>> news:W615e.46667$[email hidden]... >>>>>>> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar >>>>>>> foreign debt thinking about invading a nation other than a third >>>>>>> world backwater? >>>>>>> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >>>>>>>>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been >>>>>>>>> no terror alerts after the election ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the >>>>>>>> most potent and technologically advanced military in the >>>>>>>> world, the threat decreases. It may have happened sooner, but >>>>>>>> there were 8 years in the 90's of failed leadership, that left >>>>>>>> the intelligence community impotent, and the military weak.

Sure fuckhead, I'll visit your trailer jus as soon as your momma leaves, ya tosser. "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EZg5e.11950$AL.5240@lakeread08...

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> You are a bonafide troll! you have nothing but bullshit to spew.. like it > is not blue states that have credit problem? grow up and visit again > someday, you wanker. > > > alex martini enlightened us with: >> Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're >> talking about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet >> outside the US haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with >> any significant power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has >> been in power for 20 of the last 28 years ... >> >> second, you and I are in agreement that the credit loving red-staters >> will eventually bring your empire to its knees - it's a pity that you >> spent so much time listening to rush and savage and bush and have >> forgotten that there was once a social contract between the people of >> the US and its government - where the government was obliged to use >> the tax revenue for purposes other than foreign adventures; >> >> But it is senseless even arguing with you, Plowboy, because you really >> believe don't you ... that the US - whose "defense" spending amounts >> to 40% of all defense spending on the planet - needs to spend in the >> region of 500billion dollars a year (not including incedentals like >> Iraq eh) to defend themselves against a bunch of cave-dwellers with >> semi-automatics ... yes, Plowboy, undoubtedly you are right, social >> security means military security ... after all, rather old and poor >> than young and wearing a turban when al qaeda invade florida ... >> >> dear Plowboy, there was once a time when America understood not only >> its place in the world, but its place vis-a-vis its government; they >> are squandering your heritage and your future, dear Plowboy, and no >> amount of chest-beating on talk radio is going to save you from a >> retirement of cat food and unpaid medical bills ... >> >> Plowboy, remember that as you dismantle the great social contract of >> Jefferson and Roosevelt, you are dismantling what has made your >> nation great ... but what does it all mean, Plowboy, when foreigners >> like myself come to your nation and criticise ... why, I must be >> alone in rejecting your right-wing politics, and those other >> 40million who voted against you and your beloved leader - well I bet >> they too are foreigners ... am I right, Plowboy? Indeed, only you - >> and your acolytes screaming about nuking "Arabia" on right-wing radio >> are the true representatives of America ... >> "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Nfe5e.11861$AL.5031@lakeread08... >>> >>> alex martini enlightened us with: >>>> Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans, >>>> sheesh, not only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are >>>> y'all the beacons of shining conservatively compassionate freedom >>>> bringing uber-people, but ya even give me the wonderful gift of >>>> free-rubbish-talking - >>> >>> You talk about Pompus, f*ck me what did you call this shit you >>> write? If that country you were born in, was soo fucking great, why you >>> here? would I dare guess that maybe there is better here where you >>> are at? Maybe you earn more money, let alone are being given more >>> out in welfare things, you know parks, only 1/3rd of your earnings >>> in taxes, nicer homes to choose from, better schools? maybe just >>> life in general you fuck... That is, compared to where you were born >>> was what? please mr so eloquent, enlighten us with the stories of >>> no poverty, noone scared to dare say anything real or implied >>> against the 'ruling class' or government from that country you so >>> proud of? Here all you are faced with is you make a stupid comment >>> the govenrment aint gonna kill your sister-brother-cousins- or >>> babies, but by god, some of us here are prolly going to say DUMBASS! >>> you compare that to what again, some country? Jesus Chrysler you are >>> pompus... SO, All your troubles will be >>> gone, you think, give everything you earn to the government they >>> will treat you well, provide not only you but everyone with what we >>> all need... do it then, but leave me the f*ck alone because I (and >>> more like me) want more and are willing to work/sacrifice my sweat >>> and years of my life, to get it. Look at this goddam country's >>> population at our age (roughly 20-40 years of age), over half will >>> follow you, if they think the government will give them a goddam >>> HDTV big screen, 2 cars, and 2 bathrooms in every goddam home@! BUT >>> I argue only because I refuse ta accept that You're that stupid???? >>> REALLY? 70% of this great country have NOT saved even $5000 dollars >>> towards >>> life after retirement, the damn same 70% thinks the government will >>> keep thier lifestyle as it is now (prime earning level ages of your >>> whole life) 70% of american spend a big % more $$ than they *earn* >>> each year, thanks to fucking credit cards, and good old credit... You >>> people dont have even the survival mentality of cave men, back >>> when they had to kill to eat, people nowdays think they can eat 2 >>> deer by killing one, where is the other deer and how'd you get it? >>> >>> Buying cars they cannot fathom the loss of money in it, to impress >>> people they dont even know or like... They like you are walking >>> around thinking like GOMER PYLE on Valuim, are going to get to where >>> they have to retire someday, and go "SHAZAM!!! I dont have any >>> money, the governement owes me the money!!! GIVE ME MORE MONEY!!!" If >>> you dont believe me, look at the Baby Boomers now!!! >>> >>> Oh well... >>> Apparenlty you can have it now, in New York, but not where you were >>> born? have you done it yet? How about the babies in that same >>> hospital ward you were in? What? you dont think like minded >>> people you look up to are living on "what the government feels they >>> need" do you? wait... take that back.... not to confuse you I >>> want you to be clear and not jaded. If you give up everything I mean >>> everything, you think the government will make you as happy as they >>> have seen fit to make the democrats of whom you agree, that you >>> support? I mean how do you justify you getting that kind of money >>> but maybe not me? You preaching fuck... you do like kings and >>> decided you are better? least the way it is now you actually have >>> to prove you are stronger, smarter, and willing to do something to >>> be better (and get more) than the next person... But since your way is >>> the real truth, if so, and all they do is talk >>> about gettng the money and giving it to everyone, where does it come >>> from? I wish you would give up everything, see if it works... that >>> is soo funny. Please pick me to be the one you give millions too! thanks >>>> Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been >>>> born, rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I >>>> have such vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers >>>> - boy, had it not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like >>>> yourself, mano-a-mano in the good fight for freedom and Good itself, >>>> why we'd all still be babbling rubbish to this very day, can you >>>> imagine? Yes, Bill, had it not been for my sojourn as a wetback in >>>> america, I'd be talking so much rubbish and no-one would even tell >>>> me! I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a >>>> man of such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but >>>> Bill, - and I pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but >>>> ... don't you think it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy >>>> your war-debts, or whether it is China and other Asian central banks >>>> that buy them? >>>> You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your >>>> glorious self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is >>>> unfolding for the US economy as you sit there idly massaging your >>>> well-fed belly - >>>> The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your >>>> debt, Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the >>>> Hindenburg ... and how long, Bill, do you think, in all your >>>> glittering pomposity, before the Chinese start selling their US >>>> Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, that the dollar bill, Bill, >>>> starts free-falling like a broker on Wall Street on a Thursday >>>> afternoon ... >>>> See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster >>>> than one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra >>>> (and don't forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer >>>> than a week), which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth >>>> (at 3-4%), becomes about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of >>>> bringing democracy and freedom to the Middle East ... but of >>>> course, I am talking rubbish Bill, already you can see demcracy taking >>>> root eh! Oh yes >>>> indeed ... >>>> But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other >>>> rubbish talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved >>>> Leader on one of his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a >>>> pretzel >>>> because he was sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise >>>> interest rates into the teens? >>>> >>>> And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese >>>> enemies will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back >>>> your war debt? >>>> And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red >>>> americans with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt >>>> thinking about argentina ... >>>> >>>> See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these >>>> matters), like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the >>>> IMF and World Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign >>>> debt ... but they, like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only >>>> you and dubya really know the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as >>>> - how do you intend to pay for the baby boomers' retirement, medical >>>> care, etc. ... >>>> Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the >>>> rest of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ... >>>> >>>> Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite >>>> astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its >>>> GDP in foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast >>>> that is the US economy. >>>> >>>> Yes, Bill, were it from any authority but you, one would almost >>>> think it lunacy that one can brush brush aside any concern that - were >>>> the >>>> US to sustain a growth of 3.2% - achievable only, Bill, ONLY, if the >>>> rest of the world's economies grew at a sustained 4% and that the >>>> dollar, Bill, remains at levels last seen in August 2004 - your >>>> financial deficit with the world, Bill, would be the insignificant >>>> sum of 50% of GDP ... >>>> Yes Bill, were it not for you, Fox and Dubya saying so, why there'd >>>> be panic on the (wall) street and people would be selling dollars >>>> faster than my lamborghini in GTR ... >>>> >>>> Yep, Bill, if anyone other than you had to make the claim that the >>>> US economy would continue to rise at 3.2% while the weakening >>>> dollar was smashing the economies of your major trading partners - >>>> well, I'd think it madness. But Bill, you are the authority, and I bow >>>> to your >>>> expertise in voodoo economics. >>>> >>>> After all Bill, only by reducing the dollar will there be any chance >>>> of getting this wonderfully irrelevant one trillion dollar debt >>>> under control - even Bush said so, and he knows his stuff Bill, am >>>> I right? - Which is why the dollar is deflating as we speak, and >>>> why it has dropped by an average of 17% against all its major >>>> trading partners ... >>>> But see, Bill, there's a little problem with this cunning ploy ... >>>> while a (projected) 23% some percent drop in the dollar over the >>>> next four years of your beloved leader's reign as king of the world >>>> will see the foreign debt reduce(reduce, Bill, not vanish, because of >>>> the >>>> rise in exports), there are other problems to a deflating dollar ... >>>> namely, Bill, that the economic chaos that this will cause to your >>>> major trading partners will eventually loop back to the US, you see >>>> Bill, because they will no longer be able to afford your exports ... >>>> and as for imports, Bill, well let's say your BMW (you do own a >>>> foreign car, don't you Bill?) will become rather expensive , which >>>> means more economic woe for that troublesome non-american swine >>>> called your trading partners - all of whom, Bill, retain US IOUs - >>>> and they might, Bill, even be reduced to selling them back to you - >>>> which means, Bill, another looping increase in interest rates, and a >>>> further deflation of the dollar, and a further weakening of the >>>> global economies that MUST, Bill, rise at 4% per annum in order for >>>> you, Bill, to pay your war-debt ... >>>> The dollar's drop, Bill, caused VW a 68% decline in revenue ... >>>> >>>> See, Bill, the deflation of the US dollar in order to pay for your >>>> blood-lust (commonly known as your foreign debt), results in a >>>> slow-down in Japan and European economies, Bill, which reduces the >>>> foreign capital that comes into the US, Bill, thereby wrecking your >>>> sustained growth, Bill, of the 3.2% neccessary to pay off the >>>> foreign debt Bill, which means, Bill, that your happy-clappy >>>> understanding of economics is ... well, let's call it exotic, shall >>>> we? See, Bill, with the baby boomers retiring, the constant price of >>>> war, the deflating dollar, the world's economy slowing down, the >>>> central banks divesting themselves of the US dollar as reserve >>>> cuurency ... well, Bob, were it not you saying so, I'd be thinking >>>> the US is up shit-creek, mate, and your paddle - the Chinese - may >>>> just be thinking this is a good time to annex Taiwan - >>>> >>>> There is a reason why that other foreigner, Bill, Soros, that >>>> traiterous foreigner, has been dumping dollars like an African baby >>>> with dysentry (yes, Bill, the US alone decided not to relieve >>>> Africa's foreign debt, Bill, because you care so much about the >>>> 'little' people of the world, don't you, my little compassionate >>>> conservative friend?). >>>> But Bill, what came above, all that rubbish, was the BEST case >>>> scenario - that's right, Bill - because we haven't even touched on >>>> the worst case scenario, have we - and believe it or not, it >>>> involves them "towel-heads" so beloved by the white house and the >>>> freedom givers itching to bring democracy or death (and hell they're >>>> the >>>> same thing as far as them foreigners are concerned, am I right >>>> Bill?) to an expectant world - >>>> See, Bill, a constant decline in the US dollars means a concomitant >>>> decline in foreign investors in the US, and really, Bill, who, >>>> besides you, would want to invest ten bucks and get five bucks back >>>> - certainly not rubbish talkers like myself old man; why, germany >>>> and japan having their stuttering economies ko'd by a strengthening >>>> euro and yen is positvely good news, isn't it, Bill, and that will >>>> teach >>>> em germans not to invade the world alongside dubya and his merry >>>> band of freedom giving acolytes ... >>>> But as usual there is a little problem Bill - see, what happens if >>>> the foreign investors in the US, Bill, decide to sell their US >>>> securities because they have become a little annoyed at losing >>>> money (negative interest rates which, Bill, in case you didn't get >>>> the brief, is what is happening now) and no longer believe the dollar >>>> is sustainable >>>> even at its current weak levels (lowest since 1992 Bill)? ... >>>> >>>> Yes, Bill, what happens is that the dollar will get the >>>> bitch-slapping of all bitch-slappings and before you can say >>>> argentina, you'll be loading up your pick-up with greenbacks (as >>>> opposed them pesky wetbacks, eh, Bill, for surely you must be one of >>>> them there minutemen, am I right?) to go to the grocery store for >>>> your six-pack ... >>>> But this, Bill, all of this is the good news, isn't it ... because >>>> what dubya and fox and you aren't telling your red-american >>>> brethren, foaming at the mouth at the prospect of more war (I mean >>>> liberation!) is the REALLY good news ... >>>> >>>> The imminent collapse, Bill, of the dollar as the reserve currency >>>> of choice ... and that, Bill, is the sole and only reason why the US >>>> economy can function, Bill, as you may well even know (but I must be >>>> talking rubbish, am I right Bill?) in total dysfuncionality to any >>>> and all market theories - and why is that Bill? >>>> >>>> Well, Bill, at the risk of talking more rubbish, it is beacuse the >>>> US is such a poor exporter ... (now why, Bill, did the dollar devalue >>>> so much?) - and as such, Bill, the only way it can sustain its >>>> lobsided economy is to offer its trading partners (them there >>>> foreigners again Bill, doncha just hate em!) a nice return on their >>>> (US) investments ... but you see, Bill, the US has, in fact, the >>>> lowest real interest rates on the industrialised planet - >>>> >>>> And, see, Bill, this, coupled with what many view as an >>>> over-inflated stock-market and real-estate market, means that your >>>> foreign investor is not interested in investing in the US any longer >>>> (not to mention >>>> such added things as political loathing of your right-wing junta) - >>>> and that, Bill, means that the dollar, as the world's resrrve >>>> currency, is very quickly coming to an abrupt and definitive end - >>>> and you know what that means, don't you Bill, for the US economy - >>>> it means the US citizen will, once again, have to practice economics >>>> that applies world wide Bill - a very scary proposition, don't you >>>> think, Bill, for a nation so enamoured with debt ... and what with >>>> those oil prices constantly rising despite your glorious victory in >>>> Iraq .... >>>> But heck, I am only talking rubbish old boy - after all, the dollar >>>> is always going to be the reserve currency of foreign central >>>> banks, am I right, Bill? Yes sir, them pesty Asians that have begun >>>> talking about dropping the dollar - well, they're just gooks, am I >>>> right, Bill, and if they keep it up you'll go My Lai on their yella >>>> butts - am I >>>> right Bill? Ya betcha ... >>>> >>>> But Bill, you always have them towel-heads at opec selling their oil >>>> in dollars, am I right? The fact that the U.S. dollar-denominated >>>> deposits fell from 75 percent of total deposits in the third quarter >>>> of 2001 to 61.5 percent in the first quarter of 2002 (before the >>>> war) while the share of Euro denominated deposits rose from 12 >>>> percent to 20 percent over this same period is in no way indicative >>>> of opec deciding to cut their losses and start trading in euro (or >>>> even dinars linked to gold - oh surely not eh Bill!) for oil - no >>>> sir, Bill, that there - like the rest of it - is all rubbish. >>>> >>>> Yes sir, Bill. Only you, Dubya, and the red states - all of whom >>>> exist solely from the immoral donations from blue states - like me, >>>> Bill, and a foreigner to boot, would ya believe - only you guys know >>>> the >>>> 'real' truth about the US economy. Yes suh. >>>> >>>> The rest of us. We're just rubbish talkers. >>>> >>>> Enjoy the ride Bill; ol Dubya has you covered. And remember, social >>>> security is communist - and you're better dead (and starving through >>>> your old age) than red (as in commie red, not begging-bowl >>>> red-state-red). >>>> >>>> >>>> Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:sW25e.19961$[email hidden]... >>>>> Well Alex, first off the maximum maturity date on all treasury >>>>> bonds currently being offered is 20 years. A few years ago it was >>>>> out to 30 years, therefore, to say we will pay for it forever is >>>>> incorrect. 2nd, if we have a GDP growth rate of 3-4% over the next >>>>> 20 years, the rates we are paying today is peanuts. 3rd, the >>>>> euroweenies provide hardly any of what you call "war funds" (Do >>>>> you even know who buys most of the US Debt?). Lastly, you may want >>>>> to channel this energy in a more positive way and thank god that >>>>> you live in a country that allows you to spout this rubbish in a >>>>> public fashion. Bill Bollinger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>> news:wq15e.41208$[email hidden]... >>>>>> Glad you think a trillion dollar debt is peanuts - but hey, you're >>>>>> gonna pay for it - and the interest - for the rest of your life, >>>>>> not to mention your kids too, so have fun and don't forget to >>>>>> thank the euroweenies for providing your war funds - and while >>>>>> you're at it, enjoy your social security - it's currently being >>>>>> used to bring democracy and freedom to an ungrteful world. >>>>>> Whatcha gonna do, some people eh! Next thing you know, the US'll >>>>>> go bankrupt just like all empires before it, and all to bring >>>>>> democracy to the world - yes, white man's burdern, ain't it a >>>>>> bitch! "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in >>>>>> message news:Co15e.19930$[email hidden]... >>>>>>> 1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6 >>>>>>> trillion per year :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill Bollinger >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:W615e.46667$[email hidden]... >>>>>>>> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar >>>>>>>> foreign debt thinking about invading a nation other than a third >>>>>>>> world backwater? >>>>>>>> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "artie beamer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:WvX4e.38960$[email hidden]... >>>>>>>>>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been >>>>>>>>>> no terror alerts after the election ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the >>>>>>>>> most potent and technologically advanced military in the >>>>>>>>> world, the threat decreases. It may have happened sooner, but >>>>>>>>> there were 8 years in the 90's of failed leadership, that left >>>>>>>>> the intelligence community impotent, and the military weak. > >

All the activist have is "SEE, NO WMD SO NOTHING ELSE MATTERS". No WMD is such a typical and very sad politically motivated excuse for blinding yourself to everything good that has happened in Iraq. Do you realize this nonsense makes everything else you do look similarly marginal? So Iraq didnt have WMD at the time we invaded. Can you look me in the eyes and honestly tell me Saddam never had them? Yea, the Kirds being gassed was a right wing conspiracy <rolls eyes>... Has it been perfect? I never said it was and any reasonable person knows this. But to look at the entire situation in Iraq and the greater Middle East and say things arent better now than 2 years ago is plain and simple, irrational bordering on delusional. We saw what 8 years of inactivity got us and this way works much better. Mitch "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Qne5e.18$B93.9@lakeread06... >> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us... >> > >> > -Larry >> > >> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> >> > >> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has >> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration, >> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war. >> > >> > >> >> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time. >> >> But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far. >> >> Alanb > > LOL. > > Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned. > > Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still > be > a start. > > > -- > David G Fisher > > >

"We saw what 8 years of inactivity got us and this way works much better" Yes, got us a Saddam without the means to kill his neighbours. And no-one was mass-murdering Iraqis on the streets. Yes, much better now with 100,000 Iraqi civilians dead for sure. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a1h5e.11080$[email hidden]...

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> All the activist have is "SEE, NO WMD SO NOTHING ELSE MATTERS". No WMD > is such a typical and very sad politically motivated excuse for blinding > yourself to everything good that has happened in Iraq. Do you realize > this nonsense makes everything else you do look similarly marginal? > > So Iraq didnt have WMD at the time we invaded. Can you look me in the > eyes and honestly tell me Saddam never had them? Yea, the Kirds being > gassed was a right wing conspiracy <rolls eyes>... > > Has it been perfect? I never said it was and any reasonable person knows > this. But to look at the entire situation in Iraq and the greater Middle > East and say things arent better now than 2 years ago is plain and simple, > irrational bordering on delusional. We saw what 8 years of inactivity got > us and this way works much better. > > Mitch > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> >>> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:Qne5e.18$B93.9@lakeread06... >>> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us... >>> > >>> > -Larry >>> > >>> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> > news:[email hidden]... >>> >> >>> > >>> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has >>> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush >>> >> Administration, >>> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time. >>> >>> But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far. >>> >>> Alanb >> >> LOL. >> >> Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned. >> >> Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still >> be >> a start. >> >> >> -- >> David G Fisher >> >> >> > >

OOOOOHHHHHHH My momma? Arent you a tough guy... you wont come by here welfare prick...

Damn right my prick won't be coming anywhere near you, ya hillbilly; now go play keyboard commando when yer done flippin burgers. "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nbh5e.11952$AL.3816@lakeread08... > OOOOOHHHHHHH My momma? Arent you a tough guy... you wont come by here > welfare prick... >

Actually I was trying to say that your points were in the main quite valid, but you devalued them yourself by posting in such a puerile way. If you just put down a reasoned argument without the attitude, I'd agree with you.

Perhaps; but I have a bit of an attitude when it comes to people saying I talk rubbish - I responded in kind. But I'll be sure to bring it up with my therapist - must be some deep rooted antipathy to condescension ;-) "catisfit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Actually I was trying to say that your points were in the main quite > valid, but you devalued them yourself by posting in such a puerile way. > If you just put down a reasoned argument without the attitude, I'd > agree with you. >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Qne5e.18$B93.9@lakeread06... >> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us... >> > >> > -Larry >> > >> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> >> > >> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has >> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration, >> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war. >> > >> > >> >> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time. >> >> But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far. >> >> Alanb > > LOL. > > Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned. >

I think it's all turned out as planned ie in the eyes of the substantial part of U.S. voters that are regularly seen at WWF events (and doesn't it just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing they do indeed get to vote), GWB kicks arrrrrrrrrssssssssssssssssse baby! Even though it's not Bin Laden's arse it's still someones arse and that's all that counts! Oil? WMD? Bring freedom to the Iraqi people? This is simply the bullshit you need to say when you realise that saying "hey, we can't find Osama so we'll just kick Iraqus butt" isn't going to sound too good. I really love the "we're doing the Iraqis a big favour" mentality coming from those that were depriving the entire nation of food and medicine back in the 90s which fucked pretty much everyone except the alleged intended target - gutless and wreckless. The whole thing is just too pitiful.

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> > Has it been perfect? I never said it was and any reasonable person knows > this. But to look at the entire situation in Iraq and the greater Middle > East and say things arent better now than 2 years ago is plain and simple, > irrational bordering on delusional. We saw what 8 years of inactivity got > us and this way works much better. >

Yes, let's replace 1 fucked up government/culture with another - at least western culture is gift wrapped I suppose. Lets let time show us what the hundreds of tons of "depleted" uranium lying around all over the joint does for the good of the Iraqis? Or the entire region for that matter. Life might be a Mad Max movie soon :)

Q: How many Bush Administration officials does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day. Any reports of its lack of incandescence are a delusional spin from the liberal media. That light bulb has served honorably, and anything you say undermines the lighting effect. Why do you hate freedom? "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a1h5e.11080$[email hidden]...

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> All the activist have is "SEE, NO WMD SO NOTHING ELSE MATTERS". No WMD > is such a typical and very sad politically motivated excuse for blinding > yourself to everything good that has happened in Iraq. Do you realize > this nonsense makes everything else you do look similarly marginal? > > So Iraq didnt have WMD at the time we invaded. Can you look me in the > eyes and honestly tell me Saddam never had them? Yea, the Kirds being > gassed was a right wing conspiracy <rolls eyes>... > > Has it been perfect? I never said it was and any reasonable person knows > this. But to look at the entire situation in Iraq and the greater Middle > East and say things arent better now than 2 years ago is plain and simple, > irrational bordering on delusional. We saw what 8 years of inactivity got > us and this way works much better. > > Mitch > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> >>> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:Qne5e.18$B93.9@lakeread06... >>> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us... >>> > >>> > -Larry >>> > >>> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> > news:[email hidden]... >>> >> >>> > >>> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has >>> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush >>> >> Administration, >>> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time. >>> >>> But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far. >>> >>> Alanb >> >> LOL. >> >> Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned. >> >> Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still >> be >> a start. >> >> >> -- >> David G Fisher >> >> >> > >

alex martini wrote: > Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're talking > about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet outside the US > haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with any significant power - > unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has been in power for 20 of the last > 28 years ... I agree with much of what you're saying, but the paragraph above is an asinine comment and completely destroys your credibility. Don McCorkle

Which part - the one about kings or the one about the Bushes ruling America for 20 of the last 28 years - granted, maths has never been my forte so ... Bush snr as vice pre 1981-1989 - then president 1989-1993 - Then George W as president 2001-2009 (or the end of the world, or his third term when he changes the constitution, whichever comes first). So it must be the king thing that you take issue with, which I suppose is fair - but as I said in my reply, I had - and still have - no idea why someone would be babbling about kings in 2005 ... "Woodie83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> alex martini wrote: >> Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're talking >> about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet outside the US >> haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with any significant >> power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has been in power for 20 >> of the last 28 years ... > > > I agree with much of what you're saying, but the paragraph above is an > asinine comment and completely destroys your credibility. > > > Don McCorkle

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> Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans, sheesh, not > only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are y'all the beacons of > shining conservatively compassionate freedom bringing uber-people, but ya > even give me the wonderful gift of free-rubbish-talking - > > Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been born, > rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I have such > vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers - boy, had it > not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like yourself, mano-a-mano > in the good fight for freedom and Good itself, why we'd all still be > babbling rubbish to this very day, can you imagine? Yes, Bill, had it not > been for my sojourn as a wetback in america, I'd be talking so much > rubbish and no-one would even tell me! > > I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a man of > such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but Bill, - and I > pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but ... don't you think > it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy your war-debts, or whether > it is China and other Asian central banks that buy them? > > You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your glorious > self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is unfolding for the US > economy as you sit there idly massaging your well-fed belly - > > The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your debt, > Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the Hindenburg ... and > how long, Bill, do you think, in all your glittering pomposity, before the > Chinese start selling their US Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, > that the dollar bill, Bill, starts free-falling like a broker on Wall > Street on a Thursday afternoon ... > > See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster than > one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra (and don't > forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer than a week), > which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth (at 3-4%), becomes > about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of bringing democracy and freedom > to the Middle East ... but of course, I am talking rubbish Bill, already > you can see demcracy taking root eh! Oh yes indeed ... > > But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other rubbish > talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved Leader on one of > his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a pretzel because he was > sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise interest rates into the > teens? > > And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese enemies > will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back your war debt? > > And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red americans > with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt thinking about > argentina ... > > See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these matters), > like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the IMF and World > Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign debt ... but they, > like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only you and dubya really know > the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as - how do you intend to pay for > the baby boomers' retirement, medical care, etc. ... > > Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the rest > of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ... > > Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite > astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its GDP in > foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast that is the US > economy. > > Yes, Bill, were it from any authority but you, one would almost think it > lunacy that one can brush brush aside any concern that - were the US to > sustain a growth of 3.2% - achievable only, Bill, ONLY, if the rest of the > world's economies grew at a sustained 4% and that the dollar, Bill, > remains at levels last seen in August 2004 - your financial deficit with > the world, Bill, would be the insignificant sum of 50% of GDP ... > > Yes Bill, were it not for you, Fox and Dubya saying so, why there'd be > panic on the (wall) street and people would be selling dollars faster than > my lamborghini in GTR ... > > Yep, Bill, if anyone other than you had to make the claim that the US > economy would continue to rise at 3.2% while the weakening dollar was > smashing the economies of your major trading partners - well, I'd think it > madness. But Bill, you are the authority, and I bow to your expertise in > voodoo economics. > > After all Bill, only by reducing the dollar will there be any chance of > getting this wonderfully irrelevant one trillion dollar debt under > control - even Bush said so, and he knows his stuff Bill, am I right? - > Which is why the dollar is deflating as we speak, and why it has dropped > by an average of 17% against all its major trading partners ... > > But see, Bill, there's a little problem with this cunning ploy ... while a > (projected) 23% some percent drop in the dollar over the next four years > of your beloved leader's reign as king of the world will see the foreign > debt reduce(reduce, Bill, not vanish, because of the rise in exports), > there are other problems to a deflating dollar ... namely, Bill, that the > economic chaos that this will cause to your major trading partners will > eventually loop back to the US, you see Bill, because they will no longer > be able to afford your exports ... and as for imports, Bill, well let's > say your BMW (you do own a foreign car, don't you Bill?) will become > rather expensive , which means more economic woe for that troublesome > non-american swine called your trading partners - all of whom, Bill, > retain US IOUs - and they might, Bill, even be reduced to selling them > back to you - which means, Bill, another looping increase in interest > rates, and a further deflation of the dollar, and a further weakening of > the global economies that MUST, Bill, rise at 4% per annum in order for > you, Bill, to pay your war-debt ... > > The dollar's drop, Bill, caused VW a 68% decline in revenue ... > > See, Bill, the deflation of the US dollar in order to pay for your > blood-lust (commonly known as your foreign debt), results in a slow-down > in Japan and European economies, Bill, which reduces the foreign capital > that comes into the US, Bill, thereby wrecking your sustained growth, > Bill, of the 3.2% neccessary to pay off the foreign debt Bill, which > means, Bill, that your happy-clappy understanding of economics is ... > well, let's call it exotic, shall we? > > See, Bill, with the baby boomers retiring, the constant price of war, the > deflating dollar, the world's economy slowing down, the central banks > divesting themselves of the US dollar as reserve cuurency ... well, Bob, > were it not you saying so, I'd be thinking the US is up shit-creek, mate, > and your paddle - the Chinese - may just be thinking this is a good time > to annex Taiwan - > > There is a reason why that other foreigner, Bill, Soros, that traiterous > foreigner, has been dumping dollars like an African baby with dysentry > (yes, Bill, the US alone decided not to relieve Africa's foreign debt, > Bill, because you care so much about the 'little' people of the world, > don't you, my little compassionate conservative friend?). > > But Bill, what came above, all that rubbish, was the BEST case scenario - > that's right, Bill - because we haven't even touched on the worst case > scenario, have we - and believe it or not, it involves them "towel-heads" > so beloved by the white house and the freedom givers itching to bring > democracy or death (and hell they're the same thing as far as them > foreigners are concerned, am I right Bill?) to an expectant world - > > See, Bill, a constant decline in the US dollars means a concomitant > decline in foreign investors in the US, and really, Bill, who, besides > you, would want to invest ten bucks and get five bucks back - certainly > not rubbish talkers like myself old man; why, germany and japan having > their stuttering economies ko'd by a strengthening euro and yen is > positvely good news, isn't it, Bill, and that will teach em germans not to > invade the world alongside dubya and his merry band of freedom giving > acolytes ... > > But as usual there is a little problem Bill - see, what happens if the > foreign investors in the US, Bill, decide to sell their US securities > because they have become a little annoyed at losing money (negative > interest rates which, Bill, in case you didn't get the brief, is what is > happening now) and no longer believe the dollar is sustainable even at its > current weak levels (lowest since 1992 Bill)? ... > > Yes, Bill, what happens is that the dollar will get the bitch-slapping of > all bitch-slappings and before you can say argentina, you'll be loading up > your pick-up with greenbacks (as opposed them pesky wetbacks, eh, Bill, > for surely you must be one of them there minutemen, am I right?) to go to > the grocery store for your six-pack ... > > But this, Bill, all of this is the good news, isn't it ... because what > dubya and fox and you aren't telling your red-american brethren, foaming > at the mouth at the prospect of more war (I mean liberation!) is the > REALLY good news ... > > The imminent collapse, Bill, of the dollar as the reserve currency of > choice ... and that, Bill, is the sole and only reason why the US economy > can function, Bill, as you may well even know (but I must be talking > rubbish, am I right Bill?) in total dysfuncionality to any and all market > theories - and why is that Bill? > > Well, Bill, at the risk of talking more rubbish, it is beacuse the US is > such a poor exporter ... (now why, Bill, did the dollar devalue so > much?) - and as such, Bill, the only way it can sustain its lobsided > economy is to offer its trading partners (them there foreigners again > Bill, doncha just hate em!) a nice return on their (US) investments ... > but you see, Bill, the US has, in fact, the lowest real interest rates on > the industrialised planet - > > And, see, Bill, this, coupled with what many view as an over-inflated > stock-market and real-estate market, means that your foreign investor is > not interested in investing in the US any longer (not to mention such > added things as political loathing of your right-wing junta) - and that, > Bill, means that the dollar, as the world's resrrve currency, is very > quickly coming to an abrupt and definitive end - and you know what that > means, don't you Bill, for the US economy - it means the US citizen will, > once again, have to practice economics that applies world wide Bill - a > very scary proposition, don't you think, Bill, for a nation so enamoured > with debt ... and what with those oil prices constantly rising despite > your glorious victory in Iraq .... > > But heck, I am only talking rubbish old boy - after all, the dollar is > always going to be the reserve currency of foreign central banks, am I > right, Bill? Yes sir, them pesty Asians that have begun talking about > dropping the dollar - well, they're just gooks, am I right, Bill, and if > they keep it up you'll go My Lai on their yella butts - am I right Bill? > Ya betcha ... > > But Bill, you always have them towel-heads at opec selling their oil in > dollars, am I right? The fact that the U.S. dollar-denominated deposits > fell from 75 percent of total deposits in the third quarter of 2001 to > 61.5 percent in the first quarter of 2002 (before the war) while the > share of Euro denominated deposits rose from 12 percent to 20 percent over > this same period is in no way indicative of opec deciding to cut their > losses and start trading in euro (or even dinars linked to gold - oh > surely not eh Bill!) for oil - no sir, Bill, that there - like the rest of > it - is all rubbish. > > Yes sir, Bill. Only you, Dubya, and the red states - all of whom exist > solely from the immoral donations from blue states - like me, Bill, and a > foreigner to boot, would ya believe - only you guys know the 'real' truth > about the US economy. Yes suh. > > The rest of us. We're just rubbish talkers. > > Enjoy the ride Bill; ol Dubya has you covered. And remember, social > security is communist - and you're better dead (and starving through your > old age) than red (as in commie red, not begging-bowl red-state-red).

My that was wordy. Chill out - have a martini!!

Vice Presidents don't exactly rule, moron! "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qDv5e.593$[email hidden]...

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> Which part - the one about kings or the one about the Bushes ruling > America for 20 of the last 28 years - granted, maths has never been my > forte so ... Bush snr as vice pre 1981-1989 - then president 1989-1993 - > Then George W as president 2001-2009 (or the end of the world, or his > third term when he changes the constitution, whichever comes first). So it > must be the king thing that you take issue with, which I suppose is fair - > but as I said in my reply, I had - and still have - no idea why someone > would be babbling about kings in 2005 ... > > "Woodie83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> alex martini wrote: >>> Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're talking >>> about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet outside the US >>> haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with any significant >>> power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has been in power for 20 >>> of the last 28 years ... >> >> >> I agree with much of what you're saying, but the paragraph above is an >> asinine comment and completely destroys your credibility. >> >> >> Don McCorkle > >

You're right, cretin - Cheney's definately the one without the power in the White House. Yeah bubba, anything you say ... anything you say ... "JTS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Vice Presidents don't exactly rule, moron! > > "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qDv5e.593$[email hidden]... >> Which part - the one about kings or the one about the Bushes ruling >> America for 20 of the last 28 years - granted, maths has never been my >> forte so ... Bush snr as vice pre 1981-1989 - then president 1989-1993 - >> Then George W as president 2001-2009 (or the end of the world, or his >> third term when he changes the constitution, whichever comes first). So >> it must be the king thing that you take issue with, which I suppose is >> fair - but as I said in my reply, I had - and still have - no idea why >> someone would be babbling about kings in 2005 ... >> >> "Woodie83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> alex martini wrote: >>>> Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're >>>> talking about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet outside >>>> the US haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with any >>>> significant power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has been in >>>> power for 20 of the last 28 years ... >>> >>> >>> I agree with much of what you're saying, but the paragraph above is an >>> asinine comment and completely destroys your credibility. >>> >>> >>> Don McCorkle >> >> > >

"alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Rm5e.581$[email hidden]... > Q: How many Bush Administration officials does it take > to screw in a light bulb? > Learn something other than top-posting and then we'll listen to your spin which you spin from the famous "liberal media" nonsense. Do you speak for yourself or do you let others speak for you? Alanb

You mean do I blabber on with stock phrases taken like "liberal media" and, when asked a question, revert to name-calling just like rush and savage? Yup, guilty. You, that is - when you have something to say other than "liberal media nonsense", lemme know; in the meantime, who exactly is "we"? And have you (and the others than incorprate the "we" in your solitary post) seeing someone about this? "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5Rm5e.581$[email hidden]... >> Q: How many Bush Administration officials does it take >> to screw in a light bulb? >> > > Learn something other than top-posting and then we'll listen to your spin > which you spin from the famous "liberal media" nonsense. > > Do you speak for yourself or do you let others speak for you? > > Alanb >

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> "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5Rm5e.581$[email hidden]... > >>Q: How many Bush Administration officials does it take >>to screw in a light bulb? >> > > > Learn something other than top-posting and then we'll listen to your spin > which you spin from the famous "liberal media" nonsense.

Watch Faux News much, ey? > > Do you speak for yourself or do you let others speak for you? Sometimes GW should take the second option... ;) l8er ronny

artie beamer wrote: > What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been no terror > alerts after the election ? You have to admit Bush was on the job when he rushed back from Texas to D.C. to sign the Repug's loony bill to exploit the tragic situation around the Terri Schiavo case. Marty

So let me get this straight. You actually think GW is running the show? Marty JTS wrote:

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> Vice Presidents don't exactly rule, moron! > > "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qDv5e.593$[email hidden]... > >>Which part - the one about kings or the one about the Bushes ruling >>America for 20 of the last 28 years - granted, maths has never been my >>forte so ... Bush snr as vice pre 1981-1989 - then president 1989-1993 - >>Then George W as president 2001-2009 (or the end of the world, or his >>third term when he changes the constitution, whichever comes first). So it >>must be the king thing that you take issue with, which I suppose is fair - >>but as I said in my reply, I had - and still have - no idea why someone >>would be babbling about kings in 2005 ... >> >>"Woodie83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >> >>>alex martini wrote: >>> >>>>Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're talking >>>>about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet outside the US >>>>haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with any significant >>>>power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has been in power for 20 >>>>of the last 28 years ... >>> >>> >>>I agree with much of what you're saying, but the paragraph above is an >>>asinine comment and completely destroys your credibility. >>> >>> >>>Don McCorkle >> >> > >

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> All the activist have is "SEE, NO WMD SO NOTHING ELSE MATTERS". No WMD is > such a typical and very sad politically motivated excuse for blinding > yourself to everything good that has happened in Iraq. Do you realize this > nonsense makes everything else you do look similarly marginal? > > So Iraq didnt have WMD at the time we invaded. Can you look me in the eyes > and honestly tell me Saddam never had them? Yea, the Kirds being gassed was > a right wing conspiracy <rolls eyes>...

So, you're ok with the constant flow of body bags of American soldiers coming back from Iraq because there used to be WMD's, having already been distroyed by the UN weapons inspectors? Pathetic. Marty

Plowboy wrote: > OOOOOHHHHHHH My momma? Arent you a tough guy... you wont come by here > welfare prick... Huh? How old are you? Pathetic Marty

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> alex martini wrote: > >> Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're >> talking about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet >> outside the US haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with any >> significant power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has been >> in power for 20 of the last 28 years ... > > > > I agree with much of what you're saying, but the paragraph above is an > asinine comment and completely destroys your credibility. > > > Don McCorkle

What part of his comment is asinine...the reference to the greedy, blood thirsty, corrupt rule of the Bush clan? Marty

"alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XhB5e.610$[email hidden]... > You mean do I blabber on with stock phrases taken like "liberal media" > and, when asked a question, revert to name-calling just like rush and > savage? Yup, guilty. You, that is - when you have something to say other > than "liberal media nonsense", lemme know; in the meantime, who exactly is > "we"? And have you (and the others than incorprate the "we" in your > solitary post) seeing someone about this? The last word on this-- what, may I ask, has the bush Administration done in Congress in the last five years? Too busy fooling with morality issue (which can't be legislated) and this stupid war (which has only increased recruitment for the terrorists), a republican controlled Congress has let the rest of the country go bad. Just you wait, said the republican, once we get control over both houses of Congress, then you'll see the country start to head in the right direction, economically and politically. Let me know when this happens. (And would you PLEASE quit being so lazy and stop top-posting. If you're responding to a prior post, why would you put the reply above to post to which you respond?) BTW, the "we" are those who see how disastrous this bush (and yes, I lower-case the "b" on purpose) presidency has been. Our great president has gotten what he wants: when will the American people get what they want-- jobs, a stable economy, and peace? Alanb

Plowboy wrote: > You talk about Pompus, f*ck me what did you call this shit you write? Based upon the above spelling of "pompous", we cannot be sure of what letter you intended to miss out of "f*ck". Were you going for our Anglo-Saxon "fuck", the cockney "fack", the Irish "feck", or the German "fick"?

Mitch_A wrote: >> So Iraq didnt have WMD at the time we invaded. Can you look me in the >> eyes and honestly tell me Saddam never had them? Yea, the Kirds being >> gassed was a right wing conspiracy <rolls eyes>... Mitch, do you know where the gas came from in those attacks? It was sold to Hussain by a company located in Rockville, Maryland. The sale had commerce department approval. Come on, what did the US government think was going to happen when they sold WMD to Hussain?! Once again, capitalism is the winner, and the local people (the Kurds in this case are the losers). Incidentally, were you aware that the Kurdish massacres were carried out by the Republican Guards, spared by Schwarzkopf? Were you aware that US aircraft circled cities in which massacres were taking place, but would not help? Were you aware that British and US pilots have left their respective air forces in protest at this policy of not supporting the Kurds? Look up Arbil, look up Asiriyah - find out what US involvement was *on the ground*, not what the news spins after the fact.

MartyU wrote: >>> Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're >>> talking about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet >>> outside the US haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with >>> any significant power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has >>> been in power for 20 of the last 28 years ...(SNIP) > What part of his comment is asinine...the reference to the greedy, blood > thirsty, corrupt rule of the Bush clan? Excepting that we have recently learned he has too much power to start a war for tenuous reasons, comparing the US Presidency to a King is ridiculous. Also, the "Bush clan" has been in power for a total of nine years. Don McCorkle

"MartyU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4258529e$0$[email hidden]... > So let me get this straight. You actually think GW is running the show? > > Marty > It is truely hilarious that someone who has nothing to do with themself is *apparently* running a whole country. True of most *leaders*, just very obvious that Bush has nothing to do with himself at all. Note - By saying "nothing to do with himself" I mean he's controlled by others, not that he's bored :)

I guess my sarcasm escaped you :) -Larry "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time. > > But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far. > > Alanb >