Re: Just got GP3 patch!

I think the patch has definitely improved GP3, but I don't think any praise should go to Hasbro. If a company releases a substandard product and then takes steps to improve it, it's hardly cause to crow about how good they are. Hasbro should've put more thought and effort into development in the first place. Having said that, I'm happy that GP3 is now playable :) -Nick Richard S Beckett <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> x-no-archive: yes > OK, so I've been under a rock...well, new girlfriend, actually ;-) > Last night I applied the patch to GP3, and was very impressed. The game is > now everything I hoped from GP3, yet I haven't seen many people praising it, > or Hasbro for releasing the patch. > There was an awful lot of slagging off of the game, and Hasbro, and a lot of > people saying that there wouldn't be a patch, but no praise for the patch > and how good it is. > I'm well impressed, thanks Hasbro, Geoff, etc. > One thing I noticed, is that when you spin, if you bury the throttle, which > is my natural instinct, the car responds much more realistically than it > used to. > R.

Oh, come ON, f'r God's sake! You whinge if it is released "unfinished" and then whinge when it's patched!! And you'd continue to whinge if a patch WASN'T released because you'd be whinging about the original release being unfinished! Jeezuzz....no matter what the publisher/developer does, he can't win! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8trgrv$2qto$[email hidden]... > > I think the patch has definitely improved GP3, but I don't > think any praise should go to Hasbro. > > If a company releases a substandard product and then takes > steps to improve it, it's hardly cause to crow about > how good they are. > > Hasbro should've put more thought and effort into development > in the first place. > > Having said that, I'm happy that GP3 is now playable :)

And of course the complainers themselves always produce perfect work in their own careers, they meet every deadline, they satisfy everyone they deal with, they anticipate every need of their clients, they sell their services for 50% of the market rate, they are more innovative than their competitors, they work 27 hours per day, their shoes shine, and their shit doesn't smell. Stephen Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Oh, come ON, f'r God's sake! > > You whinge if it is released "unfinished" and then whinge when it's > patched!! And you'd continue to whinge if a patch WASN'T released because > you'd be whinging about the original release being unfinished! > > Jeezuzz....no matter what the publisher/developer does, he can't win! > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8trgrv$2qto$[email hidden]... > > > > I think the patch has definitely improved GP3, but I don't > > think any praise should go to Hasbro. > > > > If a company releases a substandard product and then takes > > steps to improve it, it's hardly cause to crow about > > how good they are. > > > > Hasbro should've put more thought and effort into development > > in the first place. > > > > Having said that, I'm happy that GP3 is now playable :) > > >

I agree. If your money was not 'perfect' then they'd soon be complaining and loudly. Some people in these ngs (likely naive kids and brain-dead adults) think buying shitty products is good - more shit to them. Hasbro et al enjoy dealing with such morons. If people did not complain, then there'd have been no patch. Indeed, if people did not want better, then the human race would still be a piece if slime (some of you still are)... <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8trgrv$2qto$[email hidden]...

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> > I think the patch has definitely improved GP3, but I don't > think any praise should go to Hasbro. > > If a company releases a substandard product and then takes > steps to improve it, it's hardly cause to crow about > how good they are. > > Hasbro should've put more thought and effort into development > in the first place. > > Having said that, I'm happy that GP3 is now playable :) > > -Nick > > > Richard S Beckett <[email hidden]> wrote: > > x-no-archive: yes > > > OK, so I've been under a rock...well, new girlfriend, actually ;-) > > > Last night I applied the patch to GP3, and was very impressed. The

game is > > now everything I hoped from GP3, yet I haven't seen many peoplepraising it, > > or Hasbro for releasing the patch. > > > There was an awful lot of slagging off of the game, and Hasbro,and a lot of > > people saying that there wouldn't be a patch, but no praise forthe patch > > and how good it is. > > > I'm well impressed, thanks Hasbro, Geoff, etc. > > > One thing I noticed, is that when you spin, if you bury thethrottle, which > > is my natural instinct, the car responds much more realisticallythan it > > used to. > > > R. > > >

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > You whinge if it is released "unfinished" and then whinge when it's > patched!! Whatever the ammount of patch GP3 has it will always be unfinished. Until Geoff Crammond gets out of his lazy arse that is sitting on a pile of cash and scrap his assembler code, of course. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> > Oh, come ON, f'r God's sake! > > You whinge if it is released "unfinished" and then whinge when it's > patched!! And you'd continue to whinge if a patch WASN'T released because > you'd be whinging about the original release being unfinished! > > Jeezuzz....no matter what the publisher/developer does, he can't win!

Bloody right, what DO these people want...the moon on a stick? What's wrong with a few SMALL bugs, a FEW things left out and a three month wait for the patch? It IS a shame we can't play online...I know I know, I want the moon on a stick :). Cheers Gerry

I think GP3 is excellent now with the patch, I like it very much! Richard S Beckett <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8trecg$[email hidden]... > x-no-archive: yes > > OK, so I've been under a rock...well, new girlfriend, actually ;-) > > Last night I applied the patch to GP3, and was very impressed. The game is > now everything I hoped from GP3, yet I haven't seen many people praisingit, > or Hasbro for releasing the patch. > > There was an awful lot of slagging off of the game, and Hasbro, and a lotof > people saying that there wouldn't be a patch, but no praise for the patch > and how good it is. > > I'm well impressed, thanks Hasbro, Geoff, etc. > > One thing I noticed, is that when you spin, if you bury the throttle,which > is my natural instinct, the car responds much more realistically than it > used to. > > R. > >

ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V4iM5.420486$[email hidden]...

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> "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > > You whinge if it is released "unfinished" and then whinge when it's > > patched!! > > > Whatever the ammount of patch GP3 has it will always be unfinished. > > Until Geoff Crammond gets out of his lazy arse that is sitting on a pile

of > cash and scrap his assembler code, of course. Good point. I came to GP3 from playing F1GP on the Amiga, having never played GP2, and it's practically the same game only with nicer graphics. Writing in it assembly code 10 years ago was great coz it made the game faster, but now it's just ridiculous. everything including the menus is laid out exactly the same as GP1. I still love playing it, but it could be a hell of a lot better if they got some new guys in to mess around with it. Just look at the improvements made from Quake 2 to Quake 3 Arena. Why can't they do the same for GPx?

>"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote > Bloody right, what DO these people want...the moon on a stick? What's > wrong with a few SMALL bugs, a FEW things left out and a three month > wait for the patch? Having a piss poor core engine is not a "small" bug. There is a major problem with Gp3 that lies deep down in it's roots, we know all what it is... It's the thing that makes multiplayer racing impossible, the thing that makes takes the fun out of GP3. It's the thing many people thought they would scratch out after Hasbro lied to us into thinking GP2.5 was in development for 4 years. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"TH^v^" <[email hidden]> wrote > Good point. I came to GP3 from playing F1GP on the Amiga, having never > played GP2, and it's practically the same game only with nicer graphics. > Writing in it assembly code 10 years ago was great coz it made the game > faster, but now it's just ridiculous. everything including the menus islaid > out exactly the same as GP1. Same menus, even the same errors in their bloody manual! Incredible what they sometimes try to pass us those game companies... > I still love playing it, but it could be a hell > of a lot better if they got some new guys in to mess around with it. Just > look at the improvements made from Quake 2 to Quake 3 Arena. Why can'tthey > do the same for GPx? Most of the people here agree that Geoff Crammond is "God programmer", but has absolutely no clue about the modern gaming business. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Calm down Bruce. All Isaid was that Hasbro shouldn't be applauded for releasing a patch. -Nick Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Oh, come ON, f'r God's sake! > You whinge if it is released "unfinished" and then whinge when it's > patched!! And you'd continue to whinge if a patch WASN'T released because > you'd be whinging about the original release being unfinished! > Jeezuzz....no matter what the publisher/developer does, he can't win! > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8trgrv$2qto$[email hidden]... >> >> I think the patch has definitely improved GP3, but I don't >> think any praise should go to Hasbro. >> >> If a company releases a substandard product and then takes >> steps to improve it, it's hardly cause to crow about >> how good they are. >> >> Hasbro should've put more thought and effort into development >> in the first place. >> >> Having said that, I'm happy that GP3 is now playable :)

I wouldn't claim that all my work is perfect but I do work in s/w development and my work is 'perfect' in context of the specifications. If it weren't I wouldn't have a job. You really don't like it if someone disagrees do you? Read what ymenard has to say. -Nick Stephen Ferguson <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> And of course the complainers themselves always produce perfect work in > their own careers, they meet every deadline, they satisfy everyone they deal > with, they anticipate every need of their clients, they sell their services > for 50% of the market rate, they are more innovative than their competitors, > they work 27 hours per day, their shoes shine, and their shit doesn't smell. > Stephen > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Oh, come ON, f'r God's sake! >> >> You whinge if it is released "unfinished" and then whinge when it's >> patched!! And you'd continue to whinge if a patch WASN'T released because >> you'd be whinging about the original release being unfinished! >> >> Jeezuzz....no matter what the publisher/developer does, he can't win! >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Bruce Kennewell, >> Canberra, Australia. >> --------------------------- >> >> <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:8trgrv$2qto$[email hidden]... >> > >> > I think the patch has definitely improved GP3, but I don't >> > think any praise should go to Hasbro. >> > >> > If a company releases a substandard product and then takes >> > steps to improve it, it's hardly cause to crow about >> > how good they are. >> > >> > Hasbro should've put more thought and effort into development >> > in the first place. >> > >> > Having said that, I'm happy that GP3 is now playable :) >> >> >>

Hi François

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> Having a piss poor core engine is not a "small" bug. There is a major > problem with Gp3 that lies deep down in it's roots, we know all what it > is... > > It's the thing that makes multiplayer racing impossible, the thing that > makes takes the fun out of GP3. It's the thing many people thought they > would scratch out after Hasbro lied to us into thinking GP2.5 was in > development for 4 years.

I was being ironic ;0) Cheers Gerry

The patch makes the wet weather racing awesome! I did a race at Melbourne on Ace last night where it started dry, then by mid-race I had to go for Monsoon tires! The rain kept pelting down and the puddles on the track got larger and larger. Lap times blew out to 1:55 or so. It started to to dry out towards the end of the race and the tire strategy the AI cars used was very sensible and realistic - huge improvement with the patch. I finished 10th (mainly due to my stupid pit strategy) but it was some of the best fun I've ever had with a racing game. Andrew oh btw, the wet weather handling seems much improved too.

On 2 Nov 2000 21:27:57 GMT, [email hidden] mangled uncounted electrons thus: > >Calm down Bruce. > >All Isaid was that Hasbro shouldn't be applauded for releasing >a patch. Well, with all due respect I think you're wrong. It's one thing to criticise Hasbro for releasing a severely unfinished product - and quite another when you refuse to acknowledge their acceptance of this point by releasing a patch to correct the most egregious errors. Give them credit for listening to their buyers, at least. They never have done before... Martin D. Pay Would rather have the patch than not, thank you.

He wouldn't whine if they released a finished product...not a GP2 upgrade. JB "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Oh, come ON, f'r God's sake! > > You whinge if it is released "unfinished" and then whinge when it's > patched!! And you'd continue to whinge if a patch WASN'T released because > you'd be whinging about the original release being unfinished! > > Jeezuzz....no matter what the publisher/developer does, he can't win! > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8trgrv$2qto$[email hidden]... > > > > I think the patch has definitely improved GP3, but I don't > > think any praise should go to Hasbro. > > > > If a company releases a substandard product and then takes > > steps to improve it, it's hardly cause to crow about > > how good they are. > > > > Hasbro should've put more thought and effort into development > > in the first place. > > > > Having said that, I'm happy that GP3 is now playable :) > > >

Well, Nick, I think that they SHOULD be applauded for releasing a patch. I think that they should receive a standing ovation, in fact. Because they never released one for GP2. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8tsm8u$173l$[email hidden]... > > Calm down Bruce. > > All Isaid was that Hasbro shouldn't be applauded for releasing > a patch. > > -Nick

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> > Calm down Bruce. > > All Isaid was that Hasbro shouldn't be applauded for releasing > a patch. > > -Nick

... and Papyrus shouldn't have been applauded for releasing patches for GPL either? -- Tony Whitley GPLRank +12.8

<[email hidden]> wrote... > > I wouldn't claim that all my work is perfect but I do > work in s/w development and my work is 'perfect' in context > of the specifications.Well, that's reassuring (gulp!). > If it weren't I wouldn't have a job.Don't Microsoft have an office in Australia, then? ;-) <snip> -- Tony Whitley GPLRank +12.8 Also a software developer.

On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:49:33 +0100, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>And of course the complainers themselves always produce perfect work in >their own careers, they meet every deadline, they satisfy everyone they deal >with, they anticipate every need of their clients, they sell their services >for 50% of the market rate, they are more innovative than their competitors, >they work 27 hours per day, their shoes shine, and their shit doesn't smell. > >Stephen

Hey, *I* didn't complain <g> JoH

On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:52:54 GMT, "TH^v^" <[email hidden]> wrote: >........everything including the menus is laid >out exactly the same as GP1. .... It keeps amazing me how inventive people are when they need to criticize a product. JoH

On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:27:36 -0000, "Freedy" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I agree. If your money was not 'perfect' then they'd soon be >complaining and loudly. Some people in these ngs (likely naive kids >and brain-dead adults) think buying shitty products is good - more >shit to them. Hasbro et al enjoy dealing with such morons. If people >did not complain, then there'd have been no patch. Indeed, if people >did not want better, then the human race would still be a piece if >slime (some of you still are)...

People don't want better, they just want to sell more products. JoH

Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:52:54 GMT, "TH^v^" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >........everything including the menus is laid > >out exactly the same as GP1. .... > > It keeps amazing me how inventive people are when they need to > criticize a product. > > JoH

The GP3 telemetry won't accept the input from my Polar heart rate monitor. What were they thinking?! It makes me pull my hair out the way this 50 franc game has ruined my life. And when I think of the six hours of satisfaction I have had from those three 16 franc movies I went to last month... Now, that Windows software, on the other hand. It's sweet the way a 300.- operating system works perfectly out of the box. No, can't say I've had any problems with Windows. And the finite-element code which I license for 5000.- per year is absolutely bug free. Oh, wait, I forgot about the two "updates" I had to install, one of which hosed my IRIX operating system. Stephen

He'd whine if whatever was released didn't match his specifications. -- BK. --------------------------- Wosco <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gYrM5.4170$[email hidden]... > He wouldn't whine if they released a finished product...not a GP2 upgrade. > > JB >

No, people DO want better and more of and, yes, sellers DO want to sell more products. "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:27:36 -0000, "Freedy" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I agree. If your money was not 'perfect' then they'd soon be > >complaining and loudly. Some people in these ngs (likely naive kids > >and brain-dead adults) think buying shitty products is good - more > >shit to them. Hasbro et al enjoy dealing with such morons. If

people > >did not complain, then there'd have been no patch. Indeed, ifpeople > >did not want better, then the human race would still be a piece if > >slime (some of you still are)... > > People don't want better, they just want to sell more products. > > JoH

Stephen Ferguson wrote: > The GP3 telemetry won't accept the input from my Polar heart rate monitor. > What were they thinking?! Or the data from another pc running GP3. What were they thinking?!;). Gerry

On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:37:32 -0000, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l e y @ nStPlAwMorld.com> wrote:

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> ><[email hidden]> wrote ... >> >> Calm down Bruce. >> >> All Isaid was that Hasbro shouldn't be applauded for releasing >> a patch. >> >> -Nick >... and Papyrus shouldn't have been applauded for releasing patches for GPL >either?

There's a small difference between releasing a patch(s) that adds enhancements to the original game (FF, dedicated servers, D3D) and one that allows compatability with common input hardware (that should have been there in the first place). "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Why be so childish Bruce? Does it annoy you that much that I disagree with you? FWIW, I think GP3 is now a very enjoyable game. I just don't see the need to stick my tongue down Hasbro's pants. Did I catch you on a bad day or are you always this snide? -Nick Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> He'd whine if whatever was released didn't match his specifications. > -- > BK. > --------------------------- > Wosco <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gYrM5.4170$[email hidden]... >> He wouldn't whine if they released a finished product...not a GP2 upgrade. >> >> JB >>

And you obviously see no need to thank someone when they DO conform to your requirements. There's a gigantic difference between saying "thanks" and, as you so delicately put it, sticking your tongue down Hasbro's pants. Bad day? Always like this? Nope to the first and only sometimes to the second. -- BK. --------------------------- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8tvmb9$26ht$[email hidden]... > > Why be so childish Bruce? > > Does it annoy you that much that I disagree with you? > > FWIW, I think GP3 is now a very enjoyable game. I just don't > see the need to stick my tongue down Hasbro's pants. > > Did I catch you on a bad day or are you always this > snide?

A release that simply adds enhancements is NOT, strictly-speaking, a "patch". A patch is a band-aid. That's where the term came from originally; something wasn't right so a band-aid was applied. That's what a patch is. Anything else is an upgrade. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Jeff Vincent <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:37:32 -0000, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l > e y @ nStPlAwMorld.com> wrote: > > There's a small difference between releasing a patch(s) that adds > enhancements to the original game (FF, dedicated servers, D3D) and one > that allows compatability with common input hardware (that should have > been there in the first place).

Any improvement is welcome of course, but patched GP3 still doesn't have the physics or graphics to pull me away from GPL for more than the odd hour or so. Then again, neither does anything else. "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8trecg$[email hidden]... > x-no-archive: yes > > OK, so I've been under a rock...well, new girlfriend, actually ;-) > > Last night I applied the patch to GP3, and was very impressed. The game is > now everything I hoped from GP3, yet I haven't seen many people praisingit, > or Hasbro for releasing the patch. > > There was an awful lot of slagging off of the game, and Hasbro, and a lotof > people saying that there wouldn't be a patch, but no praise for the patch > and how good it is. > > I'm well impressed, thanks Hasbro, Geoff, etc. > > One thing I noticed, is that when you spin, if you bury the throttle,which > is my natural instinct, the car responds much more realistically than it > used to. > > R.

On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:37:26 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >A release that simply adds enhancements is NOT, strictly-speaking, a >"patch". >A patch is a band-aid. That's where the term came from originally; >something wasn't right so a band-aid was applied. That's what a patch is. > >Anything else is an upgrade. Well, that makes two earthlings who look at it that way... YOu're my buddy, Bruce. :-) JoH

Glad to be on the same spacecraft as you, Jo :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:37:26 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >A release that simply adds enhancements is NOT, strictly-speaking, a > >"patch". > >A patch is a band-aid. That's where the term came from originally; > >something wasn't right so a band-aid was applied. That's what a patch is. > > > >Anything else is an upgrade. > > Well, that makes two earthlings who look at it that way... YOu're my > buddy, Bruce. :-) > > JoH