BTW where can I buy MBTR?
Andi.
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8u9m57$vek$[email hidden]...
I found a great article that actually looks at what you gain by
upgrading either your CPU or your video card. It's a very
comprehensive look at whether you stand to gain more from a new CPU or
one of the hottest new video cards, and the benchmarks span AMD K6-2
500 systems all the way up to Athlon 1000 and PIII 866. The best part,
though is that the review also uses a DRIVING SIM (MBTR) as one of the
benchmarks, so it gives you a VERY good idea of where your system
currently stacks up, and which upgrade (CPU or video card) might serve
you the best. Check it out here:
http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000175
Nice to see some acknowledgement that driving/racing sims are beasts of
a different color when it comes to systems, hardware, and benchmarking.
The actual article starts here, if you want to read the whole thing:
http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000172
Enjoy!
-- JB
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Before you buy.
One interesting thing to note is that in their benchmark comparison
using MBTR, the Duron/TNT2 combo completely outperforms the
Duron/GeForce2 GTS and Duron/GeForce2 MX combos in 16-bit mode. That
solves one problem for me -- my TNT2 Ultra card is going to find a new
home in my Duron system and I'm not even going to worry about upgrading
to a GeForce for the time being!
-- JB
In article <8u9m57$vek$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] wrote:
> I found a great article that actually looks at what you gain by
> upgrading either your CPU or your video card. It's a very
> comprehensive look at whether you stand to gain more from a new CPU or
> one of the hottest new video cards, and the benchmarks span AMD K6-2
> 500 systems all the way up to Athlon 1000 and PIII 866. The bestpart,
of
> a different color when it comes to systems, hardware, andbenchmarking.
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> though is that the review also uses a DRIVING SIM (MBTR) as one of the > benchmarks, so it gives you a VERY good idea of where your system > currently stacks up, and which upgrade (CPU or video card) might serve > you the best. Check it out here: > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000175 > > Nice to see some acknowledgement that driving/racing sims are beastsQuoted text (12 lines)
> > The actual article starts here, if you want to read the whole thing: > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000172 > > Enjoy! > > -- JB > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >Tease!
In article <AD5O5.4282$[email hidden]>,
"Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> JB...$157 US buys you a 32mb DDR Radeon............
>
> <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8uamir$qc7$[email hidden]...
> > The Radeon definitely looks like it might be a strong player for
> > driving/racing sims. And I noticed that Radeon prices are comingdown,
> > too -- I think I saw a fairly attractive rebate offer over theweekend,
> > in fact, which might make it a nice alternative for those people
> > considering a GeForce MX board.
> >
> > -- JB
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Thanks JB (especially since I've been preaching about the RADEON for a long
time now.....)
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> I found a great article that actually looks at what you gain by > upgrading either your CPU or your video card. It's a very > comprehensive look at whether you stand to gain more from a new CPU or > one of the hottest new video cards, and the benchmarks span AMD K6-2 > 500 systems all the way up to Athlon 1000 and PIII 866. The best part, > though is that the review also uses a DRIVING SIM (MBTR) as one of the > benchmarks, so it gives you a VERY good idea of where your system > currently stacks up, and which upgrade (CPU or video card) might serve > you the best. Check it out here: > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000175 > > Nice to see some acknowledgement that driving/racing sims are beasts of > a different color when it comes to systems, hardware, and benchmarking. > > The actual article starts here, if you want to read the whole thing: > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000172 > > Enjoy! > > -- JB > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.The Radeon definitely looks like it might be a strong player for
driving/racing sims. And I noticed that Radeon prices are coming down,
too -- I think I saw a fairly attractive rebate offer over the weekend,
in fact, which might make it a nice alternative for those people
considering a GeForce MX board.
-- JB
In article <161O5.3661$[email hidden]>,
"Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Thanks JB (especially since I've been preaching about the RADEON fora long
> time now.....)
>
> <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8u9m57$vek$[email hidden]...
> > I found a great article that actually looks at what you gain by
> > upgrading either your CPU or your video card. It's a very
> > comprehensive look at whether you stand to gain more from a new CPUor
> > one of the hottest new video cards, and the benchmarks span AMD K6-2
> > 500 systems all the way up to Athlon 1000 and PIII 866. The bestpart,
> > though is that the review also uses a DRIVING SIM (MBTR) as one ofthe
> > benchmarks, so it gives you a VERY good idea of where your system
> > currently stacks up, and which upgrade (CPU or video card) mightserve
> > you the best. Check it out here:
> >
> > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000175
> >
> > Nice to see some acknowledgement that driving/racing sims arebeasts of
> > a different color when it comes to systems, hardware, andbenchmarking.
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> > > > The actual article starts here, if you want to read the whole thing: > > > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000172 > > > > Enjoy! > > > > -- JB > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >JB...$157 US buys you a 32mb DDR Radeon............
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8uamir$qc7$[email hidden]...
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> The Radeon definitely looks like it might be a strong player for > driving/racing sims. And I noticed that Radeon prices are coming down, > too -- I think I saw a fairly attractive rebate offer over the weekend, > in fact, which might make it a nice alternative for those people > considering a GeForce MX board. > > -- JB > > In article <161O5.3661$[email hidden]>, > "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Thanks JB (especially since I've been preaching about the RADEON for > a long > > time now.....) > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8u9m57 > $vek$[email hidden]... > > > I found a great article that actually looks at what you gain by > > > upgrading either your CPU or your video card. It's a very > > > comprehensive look at whether you stand to gain more from a new CPU > or > > > one of the hottest new video cards, and the benchmarks span AMD K6-2 > > > 500 systems all the way up to Athlon 1000 and PIII 866. The best > part, > > > though is that the review also uses a DRIVING SIM (MBTR) as one of > the > > > benchmarks, so it gives you a VERY good idea of where your system > > > currently stacks up, and which upgrade (CPU or video card) might > serve > > > you the best. Check it out here: > > > > > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000175 > > > > > > Nice to see some acknowledgement that driving/racing sims are > beasts of > > > a different color when it comes to systems, hardware, and > benchmarking. > > > > > > The actual article starts here, if you want to read the whole thing: > > > > > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000172 > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.LoL...I'm serious...check out http://www.gogocity.com
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ubp3t$kg3$[email hidden]...
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> Tease! > > In article <AD5O5.4282$[email hidden]>, > "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > JB...$157 US buys you a 32mb DDR Radeon............ > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8uamir$qc7 > $[email hidden]... > > > The Radeon definitely looks like it might be a strong player for > > > driving/racing sims. And I noticed that Radeon prices are coming > down, > > > too -- I think I saw a fairly attractive rebate offer over the > weekend, > > > in fact, which might make it a nice alternative for those people > > > considering a GeForce MX board. > > > > > > -- JB > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.It makes sense that the Radeon would work well for driving sims if you
think about it -- traditional rendering engines cards like the Voodoo5
or the GeForce cards render ALL the pixels of ALL the objects in a
scene, even if an object is partially or totally covered by another one
(all the pavement and the parts of your tires that you can't see in
GPL, GP3, or F12K gets rendered, the curbing that you can't see below
your dashboard view gets rendered, etc., but the Radeon's Hyper-Z
technology seems to be able to discard some of the pixels that are not
seen. That may mean that the Radeon could be THE card that all sim
racing fans should be looking at.
And I just recently jumped off the Voodoo bandwagon to join the NVidia
crowd. Doh!
-- JB
In article <161O5.3661$[email hidden]>,
"Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Thanks JB (especially since I've been preaching about the RADEON fora long
> time now.....)
>
> <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8u9m57$vek$[email hidden]...
> > I found a great article that actually looks at what you gain by
> > upgrading either your CPU or your video card. It's a very
> > comprehensive look at whether you stand to gain more from a new CPUor
> > one of the hottest new video cards, and the benchmarks span AMD K6-2
> > 500 systems all the way up to Athlon 1000 and PIII 866. The bestpart,
> > though is that the review also uses a DRIVING SIM (MBTR) as one ofthe
> > benchmarks, so it gives you a VERY good idea of where your system
> > currently stacks up, and which upgrade (CPU or video card) mightserve
> > you the best. Check it out here:
> >
> > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000175
> >
> > Nice to see some acknowledgement that driving/racing sims arebeasts of
> > a different color when it comes to systems, hardware, andbenchmarking.
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> > > > The actual article starts here, if you want to read the whole thing: > > > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000172 > > > > Enjoy! > > > > -- JB > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >And the flight simmers to JB......
A buddy of mine ordered a new systems 1ghz Athlon and ATI 64mb DDR video
card.
I'll let you know as soon as he gets it (and as soon as I can make it over
there just how well that baby performs....) ( I think I'm gonna get the
Radeon 32mb DDR card myself)
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> It makes sense that the Radeon would work well for driving sims if you > think about it -- traditional rendering engines cards like the Voodoo5 > or the GeForce cards render ALL the pixels of ALL the objects in a > scene, even if an object is partially or totally covered by another one > (all the pavement and the parts of your tires that you can't see in > GPL, GP3, or F12K gets rendered, the curbing that you can't see below > your dashboard view gets rendered, etc., but the Radeon's Hyper-Z > technology seems to be able to discard some of the pixels that are not > seen. That may mean that the Radeon could be THE card that all sim > racing fans should be looking at. > > And I just recently jumped off the Voodoo bandwagon to join the NVidia > crowd. Doh! > > -- JB > > In article <161O5.3661$[email hidden]>, > "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Thanks JB (especially since I've been preaching about the RADEON for > a long > > time now.....) > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8u9m57 > $vek$[email hidden]... > > > I found a great article that actually looks at what you gain by > > > upgrading either your CPU or your video card. It's a very > > > comprehensive look at whether you stand to gain more from a new CPU > or > > > one of the hottest new video cards, and the benchmarks span AMD K6-2 > > > 500 systems all the way up to Athlon 1000 and PIII 866. The best > part, > > > though is that the review also uses a DRIVING SIM (MBTR) as one of > the > > > benchmarks, so it gives you a VERY good idea of where your system > > > currently stacks up, and which upgrade (CPU or video card) might > serve > > > you the best. Check it out here: > > > > > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000175 > > > > > > Nice to see some acknowledgement that driving/racing sims are > beasts of > > > a different color when it comes to systems, hardware, and > benchmarking. > > > > > > The actual article starts here, if you want to read the whole thing: > > > > > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000172 > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.FWIW, I just got my Duron system assembled and running yesterday --
it's a Duron 600 that I've successfully unlocked. I've got it
installed in an MSI K7T Pro2 board, which allows easy overclocking by
means of clock frequency multiplier settings in bios, and after doing
some initial testing at 600 MHz (6 x 100), I bumped it up to 650 and
then 700 (6.5 x 100 and 7 x 100, respectively). The system is ROCK-
STEADy at 700, so I may try moving up to 750 or 800 later, but the
Duron's performance at 700 (and at 600, for that matter) is
ASTOUNDING.
I'm using a 16 MB TNT2 Ultra clocked at 160/183, and EVERYTHING just
plain flies on this system, including the hardware hog of hardware
hogs, F1 2000. Even with a lowly TNT2 Ultra, GPL is also smooth as
silk (solid 36 fps). I am absolutely amazed -- I'm seeing PIII-level
performance, and the Duron CPU only cost me $56 (they're down to $45 on
Pricewatch). I also had to buy the motherboard, of course (an
additional $126 with shipping), plus an ATX case ($36), but for a grand
total of $218, I am extremely pleased with the bang-for-the-buck that
I'm getting now. Plus, this current setup should be able to meet or
surpass 800 MHz if/when I decide to push it, or I can always drop in a
faster Duron or T-Bird later on for less than a new video card would
set me back.
Sorry this has gotten a bit off-topic, but it looks to me like Duron-
based systems like this one might be THE type of systems that will
offer the maximum return on investment for the racing sim community.
It's always tempting to look at the latest in video card technology as
the cheapest way to upgrade for better performance, but a new video
card is not always the cheapest and most effective upgrade route. I
basically transplanted my existing PC100 RAM from my previous K6-2 500
Socket-7 sytem, as well as the existing TNT2 card, hard drives, CD-ROM,
and floppy, so although it involved a new motherboard, CPU, and case, I
still consider this an "upgrade" rather than a brand-new system. And I
KNOW I could have spent this much on a new video card, but I wouldn't
have realized the same type of performance gains in my tired, old K6-2
Socket 7 system that I'm now enjoying with my Duron.
The best part for me, though, is the fact that F1 2000 is a WHOLE
different game now. GP3 is also MUCH better, too, and I think I might
now be able to develop some fondness for that as well, but the
difference in F1 2000 is amazing. Now more than ever, F1 2000 feels a
LOT like GPL with wings.
Long live AMD!
Now I've gotta go show Schumacher how it's REALLY done. <G>
-- JB
In article <8u9m57$vek$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] wrote:
> I found a great article that actually looks at what you gain by
> upgrading either your CPU or your video card. It's a very
> comprehensive look at whether you stand to gain more from a new CPU or
> one of the hottest new video cards, and the benchmarks span AMD K6-2
> 500 systems all the way up to Athlon 1000 and PIII 866. The bestpart,
of
> a different color when it comes to systems, hardware, andbenchmarking.
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> though is that the review also uses a DRIVING SIM (MBTR) as one of the > benchmarks, so it gives you a VERY good idea of where your system > currently stacks up, and which upgrade (CPU or video card) might serve > you the best. Check it out here: > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000175 > > Nice to see some acknowledgement that driving/racing sims are beastsQuoted text (12 lines)
> > The actual article starts here, if you want to read the whole thing: > > http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000172 > > Enjoy! > > -- JB > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >The DURONS have always smoked the Celerons JB.......
-Cheers!
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