Re: Help! GPL Slowdown!

Have you changed your wheel lately? Sounds like a dumb question... but has merit.. Watching for your reply, Schumi "Martin Ursua" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3a0db888.978124@news...

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> > Several days ago I began to experience some significant > slowdown while playing GPL. I have an older computer (P2-233, 64MB > RAM, Win98, Voodoo 3 2000) but until recently GPL has been quite > playable. With all details on, 1024x768 resolution, and GPLEA 3d > wheels, I have been able to get >30fps at virtually any point in any > of the original tracks (in training mode). Now, the frame rate > frequently dips to the low 20s and seems to "stutter". For example, I > used to be able to drive past the main pits at Rouen without a hiccup. > At present the drop in frame rate is not just distracting, but it also > makes driving very difficult. Lowering the detail level to the > absolute minimum barely alleviates the problem (I still encounter > slowdowns in twisty parts of the Nurburgring or at Rouen's Nouveau > Mond!) Oddly, the frame rate is as smooth as it used to be in > replays. > > Although the GPL on my HD is heavily modified, a fresh > reinstall exhibited the same problems. I have not made any changes to > my system configuration recently. My video drivers have been the same > V3/Banshee combo that I've used since last year (Updating the drivers > proved fruitless). I don't have anything running in the background > aside from mswheel, systray, explorer, and a firewall (which has never > caused me trouble like this before). My HD is regularly de-fragged > and several virus scans have turned up nothing. > > I am at wit's end, as hot-lapping is now very difficult and > online racing is nearly unplayable. I'm hoping that someone in this > newsgroup can provide a solution, or at least point me in the right > direction. Please help, if you can! > > Martin > Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Several days ago I began to experience some significant slowdown while playing GPL. I have an older computer (P2-233, 64MB RAM, Win98, Voodoo 3 2000) but until recently GPL has been quite playable. With all details on, 1024x768 resolution, and GPLEA 3d wheels, I have been able to get >30fps at virtually any point in any of the original tracks (in training mode). Now, the frame rate frequently dips to the low 20s and seems to "stutter". For example, I used to be able to drive past the main pits at Rouen without a hiccup. At present the drop in frame rate is not just distracting, but it also makes driving very difficult. Lowering the detail level to the absolute minimum barely alleviates the problem (I still encounter slowdowns in twisty parts of the Nurburgring or at Rouen's Nouveau Mond!) Oddly, the frame rate is as smooth as it used to be in replays. Although the GPL on my HD is heavily modified, a fresh reinstall exhibited the same problems. I have not made any changes to my system configuration recently. My video drivers have been the same V3/Banshee combo that I've used since last year (Updating the drivers proved fruitless). I don't have anything running in the background aside from mswheel, systray, explorer, and a firewall (which has never caused me trouble like this before). My HD is regularly de-fragged and several virus scans have turned up nothing. I am at wit's end, as hot-lapping is now very difficult and online racing is nearly unplayable. I'm hoping that someone in this newsgroup can provide a solution, or at least point me in the right direction. Please help, if you can! Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Have you started using Force feedback ? On the lower end PC's having FF turned on will cause the type of problem you are experiencing, it had the same effect on my P2 333. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Martin Ursua <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3a0db888.978124@news... > > Several days ago I began to experience some significant > slowdown while playing GPL. I have an older computer (P2-233, 64MB > RAM, Win98, Voodoo 3 2000) but until recently GPL has been quite > playable. With all details on, 1024x768 resolution, and GPLEA 3d > wheels, I have been able to get >30fps at virtually any point in any > of the original tracks (in training mode). Now, the frame rate > frequently dips to the low 20s and seems to "stutter". For example, I > used to be able to drive past the main pits at Rouen without a hiccup. > At present the drop in frame rate is not just distracting, but it also > makes driving very difficult. Lowering the detail level to the > absolute minimum barely alleviates the problem (I still encounter > slowdowns in twisty parts of the Nurburgring or at Rouen's Nouveau > Mond!) Oddly, the frame rate is as smooth as it used to be in > replays. > > Although the GPL on my HD is heavily modified, a fresh > reinstall exhibited the same problems. I have not made any changes to > my system configuration recently. My video drivers have been the same > V3/Banshee combo that I've used since last year (Updating the drivers > proved fruitless). I don't have anything running in the background > aside from mswheel, systray, explorer, and a firewall (which has never > caused me trouble like this before). My HD is regularly de-fragged > and several virus scans have turned up nothing. > > I am at wit's end, as hot-lapping is now very difficult and > online racing is nearly unplayable. I'm hoping that someone in this > newsgroup can provide a solution, or at least point me in the right > direction. Please help, if you can! > > Martin > Long Live Nigel Mansell!

On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:42:40 -0000, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Have you started using Force feedback ? >On the lower end PC's having FF turned on will cause the type of problem you >are experiencing, it had the same effect on my P2 333. No, I'm still using the low-rent Thrustmaster Nascar Sprint wheel, with only a bungee cord for force feedback. Is there any way for force feedback to switch on despite the absence of a FFB controller? Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Check your core.ini file make sure that the FF is switched off in there. [ Joy ] allow_force_feedback = 0 ; Use FF if device has it If the line reads [ Joy ] allow_force_feedback = 1 ; Use FF if device has it then FF is switched on. I don't know for sure that it would make a difference, but it's got to be worth a look :) If you have a TM Nascar wheel which you use for GPL, try unloading the sidewinder swtray software (assuming thats for an unused MS joystick) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Martin Ursua <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3a0d3af2.12237929@news... > On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:42:40 -0000, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Have you started using Force feedback ? > >On the lower end PC's having FF turned on will cause the type of problem you > >are experiencing, it had the same effect on my P2 333. > > No, I'm still using the low-rent Thrustmaster Nascar Sprint > wheel, with only a bungee cord for force feedback. Is there any way > for force feedback to switch on despite the absence of a FFB > controller? > > Martin > Long Live Nigel Mansell!

I'm for a fan of BSD myself... Regards, Schumi "Martin Ursua" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3a0eee7e.28932363@news... > On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:54:57 -0800, "Jason \"Schumi\" Murray" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Win98 as a whole has terrible memory management. The best way to "flushit" > >is to turn it off and leave it off for more than 20 seconds. That will > >completely free up the RAM and any residuals hanging around in there. > > > >I have used Memturbo, etc. to try to combat this... but found a shutdownfor

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> >20 seconds to provide higher results. > > Some time ago, Uwe Schuekamp came to this newsgroup and asked > people to sign a petition calling for a Linux version of GPL. > Although I've never used Linux in my life, I think I'd gladly add my > name to the list right now! > > Martin > Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Win98 as a whole has terrible memory management. The best way to "flush it" is to turn it off and leave it off for more than 20 seconds. That will completely free up the RAM and any residuals hanging around in there. I have used Memturbo, etc. to try to combat this... but found a shutdown for 20 seconds to provide higher results. Regards, Schumi "Martin Ursua" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3a0f9d55.8152392@news...

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> I'm happy to report that everything is back to normal with > GPL. Those mid-20s frame rates are now hovering around the 36 mark > like they used to, despite a massive replay buffer, and despite a few > programs running in the background. > > What was the solution? Nothing elegant at all: I shut my > computer down, waited a minute, then turned it on again! For various > reasons I leave my computer on 24 hours a day. I've restarted it many > times, but have not turned the power off for some time. Can anyone > explain why this might cause a drop in frame rates? > > Martin (aka Pleased but Puzzled) > Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Martin.. You have to find a way to turn off VSYNC. YOu can do it by either getting a Voodoo card tweaker (www.tweakfiles.com) Maybe, the card already gives you the option somwhere.?? If you turn that off, you shouldn't have a problem. I have to do it for my V2 SLI James "Martin Ursua" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3a0db888.978124@news...

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> > Several days ago I began to experience some significant > slowdown while playing GPL. I have an older computer (P2-233, 64MB > RAM, Win98, Voodoo 3 2000) but until recently GPL has been quite > playable. With all details on, 1024x768 resolution, and GPLEA 3d > wheels, I have been able to get >30fps at virtually any point in any > of the original tracks (in training mode). Now, the frame rate > frequently dips to the low 20s and seems to "stutter". For example, I > used to be able to drive past the main pits at Rouen without a hiccup. > At present the drop in frame rate is not just distracting, but it also > makes driving very difficult. Lowering the detail level to the > absolute minimum barely alleviates the problem (I still encounter > slowdowns in twisty parts of the Nurburgring or at Rouen's Nouveau > Mond!) Oddly, the frame rate is as smooth as it used to be in > replays. > > Although the GPL on my HD is heavily modified, a fresh > reinstall exhibited the same problems. I have not made any changes to > my system configuration recently. My video drivers have been the same > V3/Banshee combo that I've used since last year (Updating the drivers > proved fruitless). I don't have anything running in the background > aside from mswheel, systray, explorer, and a firewall (which has never > caused me trouble like this before). My HD is regularly de-fragged > and several virus scans have turned up nothing. > > I am at wit's end, as hot-lapping is now very difficult and > online racing is nearly unplayable. I'm hoping that someone in this > newsgroup can provide a solution, or at least point me in the right > direction. Please help, if you can! > > Martin > Long Live Nigel Mansell!

I'm happy to report that everything is back to normal with GPL. Those mid-20s frame rates are now hovering around the 36 mark like they used to, despite a massive replay buffer, and despite a few programs running in the background. What was the solution? Nothing elegant at all: I shut my computer down, waited a minute, then turned it on again! For various reasons I leave my computer on 24 hours a day. I've restarted it many times, but have not turned the power off for some time. Can anyone explain why this might cause a drop in frame rates? Martin (aka Pleased but Puzzled) Long Live Nigel Mansell!

On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:36:40 GMT, [email hidden] (Martin Ursua) thus spoke:

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> I'm happy to report that everything is back to normal with >GPL. Those mid-20s frame rates are now hovering around the 36 mark >like they used to, despite a massive replay buffer, and despite a few >programs running in the background. > > What was the solution? Nothing elegant at all: I shut my >computer down, waited a minute, then turned it on again! For various >reasons I leave my computer on 24 hours a day. I've restarted it many >times, but have not turned the power off for some time. Can anyone >explain why this might cause a drop in frame rates?

Maybe there was a memory leak from some previously running program and rebooting freed it up. You can get a prog called Memturbo or another called Freemem that will free up memory without having to reboot.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:54:57 -0800, "Jason \"Schumi\" Murray" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Win98 as a whole has terrible memory management. The best way to "flush it" >is to turn it off and leave it off for more than 20 seconds. That will >completely free up the RAM and any residuals hanging around in there. > >I have used Memturbo, etc. to try to combat this... but found a shutdown for >20 seconds to provide higher results. Some time ago, Uwe Schuekamp came to this newsgroup and asked people to sign a petition calling for a Linux version of GPL. Although I've never used Linux in my life, I think I'd gladly add my name to the list right now! Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Martin Ursua wrote: > Some time ago, Uwe Schuekamp came to this newsgroup and asked > people to sign a petition calling for a Linux version of GPL. > Although I've never used Linux in my life, I think I'd gladly add my > name to the list right now! http://www.schuerkamp.de/cgi-bin/sign.cgi?function=add http://www.linux-mandrake.com ;-) You'd never look back if you did. Memory management is what it does best! The other night, I had 3 Netscape browser windows open, the Netscape newsgroup window open, was downloading a file, playing a music cd, & installing a program off my other cd drive, all at the same time. I opened up a term window & checked on my memory allocation with "free". With all that running, I still had 2 MB of RAM to go out of my 128MB before I'd start to ding into swap space! I wouldn't dare try that on my Windows machine. -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

Billy Boy seems to think so too... Most of Microsoft's Web Ventures run on BSD as well ;) Can't beat the security... and instant lock-down upon installation (minus a few small tweaks to plug a few small holes). US Military seems to be smitten with it too... just transfered 99% of their intranet to BSD a few years back. Linux is a nice OS... but quite a nightmare locking it down properly. Best thing to do is put a BSD box up front.... and run whatever soft. you want/need behind it. Even Win2k Server is a good solution behind BSD ;) Cheers, Schumi "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Jason \"Schumi\" Murray wrote: > > > > I'm for a fan of BSD myself... > > > > > Good taste. Triple boot here. WinMe, Linux-Mandrake 7.2 & FreeBSD > 4.1. ;-) > > -- > > Chuck Kandler > > A man is no less a Slave just because he is > allowed to choose a new Master every four years. > > Registered Linux User #180746 > http://counter.li.org

Jason \"Schumi\" Murray wrote: > > I'm for a fan of BSD myself... > Good taste. Triple boot here. WinMe, Linux-Mandrake 7.2 & FreeBSD 4.1. ;-) -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

In article <[email hidden]>, Jason \"Schumi\" Murray <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm for a fan of BSD myself... > >Regards, > >Schumi > Argh! Let the holy war begin! Even worse than "Loss/Linux" wars are those "my *BSD is better than your distro" conflicts. ;-) cheers, uwe BTW, thanks for all those signatures on the GPL/Linux petition! -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ GnuPG Fingerprint: 2093 20B8 B861 9358 A356 B01A E145 9249 5D27 33EA PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Jason \"Schumi\" Murray wrote:

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> > Billy Boy seems to think so too... > > Most of Microsoft's Web Ventures run on BSD as well ;) > > Can't beat the security... and instant lock-down upon installation (minus a > few small tweaks to plug a few small holes). US Military seems to be smitten > with it too... just transfered 99% of their intranet to BSD a few years > back. > > Linux is a nice OS... but quite a nightmare locking it down properly. > > Best thing to do is put a BSD box up front.... and run whatever soft. you > want/need behind it. Even Win2k Server is a good solution behind BSD ;)

Yeah, most secure has to be OpenBSD. But I would never say it's all that difficult securing a Linux box. Currently I'm running pmfirewall, IPchains, PortSentry & TripWire. Only took a few minutes to configure & she's pretty durn secure. Cheers! -- Chuck Kandler Never underestimate the power of Stupid People in large groups. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

Uwe Schuerkamp wrote:

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, > Argh! Let the holy war begin! Even worse than "Loss/Linux" wars > are those "my *BSD is better than your distro" conflicts. ;-) > > cheers, > > uwe > > BTW, thanks for all those signatures on the GPL/Linux petition!

Had any luck with them hard-heads out at Sierra yet? Between GPL & Half Life, they're missing out on a large potential audience & don't even have sense enough to realize it. -- Chuck Kandler Never underestimate the power of Stupid People in large groups. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org