Re: Advise from LWFF owners

In article <6p0Q5.622$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> yes the up down movement is normal. > you can also remove the center cap on the wheel itself(the one with the > wingman logo) and tighten the nut under it. > be very carful not to tighten it too much as theres a circutboard under the > nut that can be broken if you tighten it too much > > neil > "nascarob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You will get an UPward/downward wobble with a LWFF... like the wheel is > loose. > > Thats normal.. its a plastic unit.. As long as it works .. I got a yellow > NON FF > > wheel from Justdeals.com and was very pleased with that company.. > > QUICK/CHEAP/Packaged nicely >

You might also want to take the wheel off and add a small strip of tape to the flats of the spindle, then re-fit the wheel. This should remove a great percentage of the play in the wheel.

Mine has very little play. I have the plastic one with a bit of red on it, usb. Works great with the logitech profiler software, GP 3 and GPL Rob In article <ZT%P5.6206$[email hidden]>, "Don & Dawn" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I just got a LWFF wheel from Justdeals and I wonder if everything's OK. The >wheel itself has a little bit of circular wiggle of probably 1/8th inch or >so. In other words, I can slightly rock the wheel back and forth, not a >huge amount mind you, but enough to notice it is moving. > >I enjoy the wheel. But the wheel "wiggle" is a little annoying. Is this >the way its supposed to be (to allow for some play for the force feedback to >work) or should the wheel be a fairly snug fit in its housing? > >BTW, though it was advertised on the Justdeals web site as "non-usb" what >arrived has a usb connector which works great. > >Thanks in advance >Don > >

I just got a LWFF wheel from Justdeals and I wonder if everything's OK. The wheel itself has a little bit of circular wiggle of probably 1/8th inch or so. In other words, I can slightly rock the wheel back and forth, not a huge amount mind you, but enough to notice it is moving. I enjoy the wheel. But the wheel "wiggle" is a little annoying. Is this the way its supposed to be (to allow for some play for the force feedback to work) or should the wheel be a fairly snug fit in its housing? BTW, though it was advertised on the Justdeals web site as "non-usb" what arrived has a usb connector which works great. Thanks in advance Don

You will get an UPward/downward wobble with a LWFF... like the wheel is loose. Thats normal.. its a plastic unit.. As long as it works .. I got a yellow NON FF wheel from Justdeals.com and was very pleased with that company.. QUICK/CHEAP/Packaged nicely Don & Dawn wrote:

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> I just got a LWFF wheel from Justdeals and I wonder if everything's OK. The > wheel itself has a little bit of circular wiggle of probably 1/8th inch or > so. In other words, I can slightly rock the wheel back and forth, not a > huge amount mind you, but enough to notice it is moving. > > I enjoy the wheel. But the wheel "wiggle" is a little annoying. Is this > the way its supposed to be (to allow for some play for the force feedback to > work) or should the wheel be a fairly snug fit in its housing? > > BTW, though it was advertised on the Justdeals web site as "non-usb" what > arrived has a usb connector which works great. > > Thanks in advance > Don

yes the up down movement is normal. you can also remove the center cap on the wheel itself(the one with the wingman logo) and tighten the nut under it. be very carful not to tighten it too much as theres a circutboard under the nut that can be broken if you tighten it too much neil "nascarob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You will get an UPward/downward wobble with a LWFF... like the wheel isloose. > Thats normal.. its a plastic unit.. As long as it works .. I got a yellowNON FF

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> wheel from Justdeals.com and was very pleased with that company.. > QUICK/CHEAP/Packaged nicely > > > > Don & Dawn wrote: > > > I just got a LWFF wheel from Justdeals and I wonder if everything's OK.

The > > wheel itself has a little bit of circular wiggle of probably 1/8th inchor > > so. In other words, I can slightly rock the wheel back and forth, not a > > huge amount mind you, but enough to notice it is moving. > > > > I enjoy the wheel. But the wheel "wiggle" is a little annoying. Isthis > > the way its supposed to be (to allow for some play for the forcefeedback to > > work) or should the wheel be a fairly snug fit in its housing? > > > > BTW, though it was advertised on the Justdeals web site as "non-usb"what > > arrived has a usb connector which works great. > > > > Thanks in advance > > Don >

Rob Jenkins wrote: > > Mine has very little play. I have the plastic one with a bit of red on it, > usb. Works great with the logitech profiler software, GP 3 and GPL > > Rob > That's the new FF GP version of the Logitech wheel, which I happen to have as well. And yes, it has very little play. Isn't it amazing how everyone dismisses the new wheel as looking cheap, while at the same time the things that matter, such as tightness of assembly and pedals, appear to be better. So it doesn't have a cable driven mechanism. So far, I haven't been given one argument why this would work better than gears. My unit has absolutely no slack in the gear mechanism, if that is what is feared. -Gregor

I wouldn't mind the gears or the pedals (which look like the MS FF wheel now). But what I really couldn't deal with is the lack of shift paddles. The buttons are totally unsuitable IMHO. -- [email hidden] "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Rob Jenkins wrote: > > > > Mine has very little play. I have the plastic one with a bit of red on it, > > usb. Works great with the logitech profiler software, GP 3 and GPL > > > > Rob > > > > That's the new FF GP version of the Logitech wheel, which I happen to > have as well. And yes, it has very little play. > > Isn't it amazing how everyone dismisses the new wheel as looking cheap, > while at the same time the things that matter, such as tightness of > assembly and pedals, appear to be better. So it doesn't have a cable > driven mechanism. So far, I haven't been given one argument why this > would work better than gears. My unit has absolutely no slack in the > gear mechanism, if that is what is feared. > > -Gregor

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> > I wouldn't mind the gears or the pedals (which look like the MS > FF wheel now). But what I really couldn't deal with is the lack of > shift paddles. The buttons are totally unsuitable IMHO. > > -- > > [email hidden] >

They might not be as fancy, but they do the trick. Of course, it's a matter of personal preference, and we're lucky we can always choose. The point was, thought, that the new wheel is nearly not as bad as the initial impression in comparison with the old model would have you believe (and is likely better in some respects). -Gregor

On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:23:23 +0100, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>They might not be as fancy, but they do the trick. Of course, it's a >matter of personal preference, and we're lucky we can always choose. > >The point was, thought, that the new wheel is nearly not as bad as the >initial impression in comparison with the old model would have you >believe (and is likely better in some respects). > >-Gregor

Yes, the pedals are quite good. But, the poor clamping system killed it for me.

I guess you could say that they "wiggle" a little, but I never really noticed it unless you deliberately wiggle it. If it i a problem when driving then it may be a bit looser than usual. Don & Dawn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZT%P5.6206$[email hidden]... > I just got a LWFF wheel from Justdeals and I wonder if everything's OK.The > wheel itself has a little bit of circular wiggle of probably 1/8th inch or > so. In other words, I can slightly rock the wheel back and forth, not a > huge amount mind you, but enough to notice it is moving. > > I enjoy the wheel. But the wheel "wiggle" is a little annoying. Is this > the way its supposed to be (to allow for some play for the force feedbackto

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> work) or should the wheel be a fairly snug fit in its housing? > > BTW, though it was advertised on the Justdeals web site as "non-usb" what > arrived has a usb connector which works great. > > Thanks in advance > Don > >

OK, I'll bite.... How do you remove that center cap to get at the nut underneath? Sorry, but I'm not the most mechanically inclined..... neil canning wrote:

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> yes the up down movement is normal. > you can also remove the center cap on the wheel itself(the one with the > wingman logo) and tighten the nut under it. > be very carful not to tighten it too much as theres a circutboard under the > nut that can be broken if you tighten it too much > > neil > "nascarob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You will get an UPward/downward wobble with a LWFF... like the wheel is > loose. > > Thats normal.. its a plastic unit.. As long as it works .. I got a yellow > NON FF > > wheel from Justdeals.com and was very pleased with that company.. > > QUICK/CHEAP/Packaged nicely > > > > > > > > Don & Dawn wrote: > > > > > I just got a LWFF wheel from Justdeals and I wonder if everything's OK. > The > > > wheel itself has a little bit of circular wiggle of probably 1/8th inch > or > > > so. In other words, I can slightly rock the wheel back and forth, not a > > > huge amount mind you, but enough to notice it is moving. > > > > > > I enjoy the wheel. But the wheel "wiggle" is a little annoying. Is > this > > > the way its supposed to be (to allow for some play for the force > feedback to > > > work) or should the wheel be a fairly snug fit in its housing? > > > > > > BTW, though it was advertised on the Justdeals web site as "non-usb" > what > > > arrived has a usb connector which works great. > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > Don > >

get a small pocket screwdriver and work at it around the seam of the cap.....takes alittle work but it can be done neil "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> OK, I'll bite.... > > How do you remove that center cap to get at the nut underneath? > > Sorry, but I'm not the most mechanically inclined..... > > > > > neil canning wrote: > > > yes the up down movement is normal. > > you can also remove the center cap on the wheel itself(the one with the > > wingman logo) and tighten the nut under it. > > be very carful not to tighten it too much as theres a circutboard under

the > > nut that can be broken if you tighten it too much > > > > neil > > "nascarob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > You will get an UPward/downward wobble with a LWFF... like the wheelis > > loose. > > > Thats normal.. its a plastic unit.. As long as it works .. I got ayellow

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> > NON FF > > > wheel from Justdeals.com and was very pleased with that company.. > > > QUICK/CHEAP/Packaged nicely > > > > > > > > > > > > Don & Dawn wrote: > > > > > > > I just got a LWFF wheel from Justdeals and I wonder if everything's

OK. > > The > > > > wheel itself has a little bit of circular wiggle of probably 1/8thinch > > or > > > > so. In other words, I can slightly rock the wheel back and forth,not a

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> > > > huge amount mind you, but enough to notice it is moving. > > > > > > > > I enjoy the wheel. But the wheel "wiggle" is a little annoying. Is > > this > > > > the way its supposed to be (to allow for some play for the force > > feedback to > > > > work) or should the wheel be a fairly snug fit in its housing? > > > > > > > > BTW, though it was advertised on the Justdeals web site as "non-usb" > > what > > > > arrived has a usb connector which works great. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Don > > > >

Don, call it slack, play, ... It's normal for an out-of-the-box-Logi and comes from the plastic bushings. Though, check out my webpage for a cure. JensSchumi On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:42:33 GMT, "Don & Dawn" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I just got a LWFF wheel from Justdeals and I wonder if everything's OK. The >wheel itself has a little bit of circular wiggle of probably 1/8th inch or >so. In other words, I can slightly rock the wheel back and forth, not a >huge amount mind you, but enough to notice it is moving.<snip> --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: -2.61

Don and Dawn, I had the same problem when I got my LWFF wheel. This is a simple problem to correct. What you are seeing is a poor fit between the wheel and the shaft (both have two flats, but not wedged flats (which would have solved the problem from a design standpoint). All that is needed is to 1. pop off the front cover and remove the nut 2. disconnect the connector so you can slide the wheel off of the shaft 3. cut a long narrow shim material to fit on one of the flats (make this longer than the shaft length so that you can feed it through the wheel when reinstalling it, then trim it once the wheel is back in place) 4. reassemble and you may notice an improvement in the play if in fact this was the problem with your particular wheel Good luck, Wayne I Don & Dawn wrote:

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> I just got a LWFF wheel from Justdeals and I wonder if everything's OK. The > wheel itself has a little bit of circular wiggle of probably 1/8th inch or > so. In other words, I can slightly rock the wheel back and forth, not a > huge amount mind you, but enough to notice it is moving. > > I enjoy the wheel. But the wheel "wiggle" is a little annoying. Is this > the way its supposed to be (to allow for some play for the force feedback to > work) or should the wheel be a fairly snug fit in its housing? > > BTW, though it was advertised on the Justdeals web site as "non-usb" what > arrived has a usb connector which works great. > > Thanks in advance > Don

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> > On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:23:23 +0100, Gregor Veble > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >They might not be as fancy, but they do the trick. Of course, it's a > >matter of personal preference, and we're lucky we can always choose. > > > >The point was, thought, that the new wheel is nearly not as bad as the > >initial impression in comparison with the old model would have you > >believe (and is likely better in some respects). > > > >-Gregor > > Yes, the pedals are quite good. But, the poor clamping system killed > it for me.

I must have been lucky as my desk is an old fashioned plain wood deal, and the clamps hold onto it well. I am sure, though, that if you put some rubber pads under the unit the clamps will hold it on any kind of surface. Too bad Logitech didn't put it in the box as well. -Gregor

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:49:32 +0100, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I must have been lucky as my desk is an old fashioned plain wood deal, >and the clamps hold onto it well. I am sure, though, that if you put >some rubber pads under the unit the clamps will hold it on any kind of >surface. Too bad Logitech didn't put it in the box as well. > >-Gregor Yes, that would help (my table has an arborite finish). But, that doesn't help with the problem of there being no force to hold it down at the centre of the base. I found it tended to lift up off the surface of the table because of this.

Amp wrote: > > Yes, that would help (my table has an arborite finish). But, that > doesn't help with the problem of there being no force to hold it down > at the centre of the base. I found it tended to lift up off the > surface of the table because of this. > Do you use those clamp extenders that came with the wheel? If you do, be sure that they are standing at the ends of the clamps and not close to you (they are able to move when the clamps are not tightened). They will give more leverage that way. I personally am very satisfied with the clamping mechanism, as it's very easy to move the wheel to the side of the desk to be substituted with the keyboard and back again, and it holds the wheel in place firmly for me. But as seen here, your mileage may vary. -Gregor

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:16:11 +0100, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Do you use those clamp extenders that came with the wheel? If you do, be >sure that they are standing at the ends of the clamps and not close to >you (they are able to move when the clamps are not tightened). They will >give more leverage that way. Yes, I used the clamp extenders (had to). >I personally am very satisfied with the clamping mechanism, as it's very >easy to move the wheel to the side of the desk to be substituted with >the keyboard and back again, and it holds the wheel in place firmly for >me. But as seen here, your mileage may vary. I've already taken the wheel back for a refund. Much prefer the clamps on the Microsoft wheels.