Re: Colin McRae Rally 2.0

"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > That's correct. I race for realism. I don't get that driving from > outside of a car. Very few racing titles make the cut on my PC... >Thats funny, I allways choose hood or bumper view. In most games the inside car view gives me the feeling of sitting in the backseat of the car ;-) Normally you cant see that much of the inside of the car without turning your head. Hood or bumper view also gives me a much better sense of speed ! Or maybe I misunderstand you ? If 'outside the car' is the view where you are sort driving in another car behind the one you are steering, I agree thats not very realistic.. Its like going from a first-person to a third-person shooter.. Joergen

Not one cockpit screenshot to date that I have found. Too bad. This one had potential... --David Cook

and because you have not seen a cockpit screenshot it no longer has potential? "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Not one cockpit screenshot to date that I have found. Too bad. This > one had potential... > > --David Cook > >

The last I heard was that Codemasters is still working on the "Head-Cam" like they had in the original Colin McRae Rally. This would probably explain the lack of cockpit screen shots. "David L. Cook" wrote: > Not one cockpit screenshot to date that I have found. Too bad. This > one had potential... > > --David Cook

That's correct. I race for realism. I don't get that driving from outside of a car. Very few racing titles make the cut on my PC... --David Cook In article <8v4u0e$1fm2$[email hidden]>, croman1 @frontiernet.net wrote...

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> and because you have not seen a cockpit screenshot it no longer has > potential? > > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Not one cockpit screenshot to date that I have found. Too bad. This > > one had potential.

The PSX movie had a head-cam screenshot and it looked pretty good. Rehan Ali said that the Head-Cam wasn't available yet in the beta because they were still working on it :) Thanks, Alex David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Not one cockpit screenshot to date that I have found. Too bad. This > one had potential... > > --David Cook > >

If they pop off a good "head cam" from the cockpit with 6 degrees of freedom (6DOF) this title could be a real treat. Thanks for the info. Where can I view the PSX movie? --David Cook In article <jnwR5.417$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote...

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> The PSX movie had a head-cam screenshot and it looked pretty good. Rehan Ali > said that the Head-Cam wasn't available yet in the beta because they were > still working on it :) > > Thanks, > Alex > David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Not one cockpit screenshot to date that I have found. Too bad. This > > one had potential...

http://www.codemasters.com/movies/cmr2_250kb.asf David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> If they pop off a good "head cam" from the cockpit with 6 degrees of > freedom (6DOF) this title could be a real treat. Thanks for the info. > > Where can I view the PSX movie? > > --David Cook > > In article <jnwR5.417$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > wrote... > > The PSX movie had a head-cam screenshot and it looked pretty good. Rehan

Ali > > said that the Head-Cam wasn't available yet in the beta because theywere

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> > still working on it :) > > > > Thanks, > > Alex > > David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Not one cockpit screenshot to date that I have found. Too bad. This > > > one had potential... > >

and lack of a cockpit screenshot means there will not be one in the game? Oh brother "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> That's correct. I race for realism. I don't get that driving from > outside of a car. Very few racing titles make the cut on my PC... > > --David Cook > > In article <8v4u0e$1fm2$[email hidden]>, croman1 > @frontiernet.net wrote... > > and because you have not seen a cockpit screenshot it no longer has > > potential? > > > > > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Not one cockpit screenshot to date that I have found. Too bad. This > > > one had potential. > >

I've seen about 100 screenshots of this title and not one from in the cockpit. I guess you have more confidence in game developers than I do. BTW - I just saw the Playstation movie clip. The first cockpit shot I've seen so far. Looks promising! --David Cook In article <8v6k5d$10au$[email hidden]>, croman1 @frontiernet.net wrote...

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> and lack of a cockpit screenshot means there will not be one in the game? Oh > brother > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > That's correct. I race for realism. I don't get that driving from > > outside of a car. Very few racing titles make the cut on my PC... > >

There are Japanese webzine reviews. http://www.4gamer.net/archive/200011/cmr21114.html http://www.4gamer.net/archive/200011/cmr21117.html and the reviewer said cockpit view maybe remove from production... =( (First URLs screen shots were took by Voodoo3, and next one is used by Voodoo5. ) Y.Minami "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've seen about 100 screenshots of this title and not one from in the > cockpit. I guess you have more confidence in game developers than I do. > BTW - I just saw the Playstation movie clip. The first cockpit shot > I've seen so far. Looks promising! > > --David Cook

David L. Cook <[email hidden]> writes: > That's correct. I race for realism. I don't get that driving from > outside of a car. Very few racing titles make the cut on my PC... let me ease your mind; CMRR2 has a cockpit view. btw; am I alone in hating those? I find that an extra pair of arms and a second steering wheel looks really stupid. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 myk, trygg og god.

Hood cam is good enough for me. It helps me place the car, and doesn't kill the framerate. Especially in a tin-top sim, the artificially constrained windshield drives me nuts. On the other hand, I love the arms in GPL, and I like seeing the wheels, again as it helps place the car. Stephen Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> David L. Cook <[email hidden]> writes: > > > That's correct. I race for realism. I don't get that driving from > > outside of a car. Very few racing titles make the cut on my PC... > > let me ease your mind; CMRR2 has a cockpit view. > > btw; am I alone in hating those? I find that an extra pair of arms > and a second steering wheel looks really stupid. > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > myk, trygg og god.

Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: : David L. Cook <[email hidden]> writes: :> That's correct. I race for realism. I don't get that driving from :> outside of a car. Very few racing titles make the cut on my PC... : let me ease your mind; CMRR2 has a cockpit view. : btw; am I alone in hating those? I find that an extra pair of arms : and a second steering wheel looks really stupid. Don't care a damn whether or not there's a cockpit view if the physics is good. I suppose if I were really bothered I could just stick a picture of a dashboard and a few cupholders on the monitor. Can't understand the eye-candy types. Physics is what it's about for me - not whether or not I can see a dashboard. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

I'm with you, David. I feel as if I can hardly control the sim without the cockpit to provide perspective, especially when you are expected to spend a lot of time "slideways" such as DTR and any rally sim If you can't see the dash, it's an arcade game. I also have done some non-sim racing late models and find the views in, say N3, quite realistic in regard to the amount of track you can see compared with the interior. My late model was damn claustrophobic, which is something I really appreciated. When I could touch the rollbar and headrest with my helmet, I knew that I wouldn't get bounced around too much during the (inevitable) impact. -Diamondcutter On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:46:43 +0100, "J Skantse" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> That's correct. I race for realism. I don't get that driving from >> outside of a car. Very few racing titles make the cut on my PC... >> >Thats funny, I allways choose hood or bumper view. >In most games the inside car view gives me the feeling of sitting in the >backseat of the car ;-) >Normally you cant see that much of the inside of the car without turning >your head. >Hood or bumper view also gives me a much better sense of speed ! > >Or maybe I misunderstand you ? >If 'outside the car' is the view where you are sort driving in another car >behind the one you are steering, I agree thats not very realistic.. >Its like going from a first-person to a third-person shooter.. > > > >Joergen > > >

Diamondcutter N3, DTR user No. 32 Swiss Hutless/Yamaha 100 kart No. 45 Howe/Chevrolet late model _____________________ Complaints? Can't hear you over these engines! ______________________

Richard G Clegg <[email hidden]> writes:

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> Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: > : David L. Cook <[email hidden]> writes: > > :> That's correct. I race for realism. I don't get that driving from > :> outside of a car. Very few racing titles make the cut on my PC... > > : let me ease your mind; CMRR2 has a cockpit view. > > : btw; am I alone in hating those? I find that an extra pair of arms > : and a second steering wheel looks really stupid. > > Don't care a damn whether or not there's a cockpit view if the physics > is good. I suppose if I were really bothered I could just stick a > picture of a dashboard and a few cupholders on the monitor. Can't > understand the eye-candy types. Physics is what it's about for me - not > whether or not I can see a dashboard.

I don't have a problem with dashboards. it's the two steering wheels and the four arms that tend to distract me. :) -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 myk, trygg og god.

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> > Don't care a damn whether or not there's a cockpit view if the physics > is good. I suppose if I were really bothered I could just stick a > picture of a dashboard and a few cupholders on the monitor. Can't > understand the eye-candy types. Physics is what it's about for me - not > whether or not I can see a dashboard. > > -- > Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving > Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group > Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York > UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

I agree, as long as the camera can be positioned to where your eyeseight should be (loosely, bonnet view works as well). However, what I am more worried about is that all the photos show really wide tracks (apart from a few tarmac stages). I know it produces better gameplay, but as a Rally simulation it is not what I would wish it to be. BTW, did anyone check out the Pro Rally 2001 demo? If you can get past the controller steering speed sensitivity (by edititng the limiter.(something) file that is burried somewhere in the car files), it produces a really great driving feel. Which is not all that surprising after you go and check some of the vehicle files. The ammount of stuff represented in there is amazing! It could prove to be a surprise best Rally sim contender. -Gregor

I could never get the steering to work (in Pro Rally 2001) with my LWFF... I've removed the "read only" attributes from the commands directory and created a new driver as has been suggested but still... No Go :-( Jay J

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> BTW, did anyone check out the Pro Rally 2001 demo? If you can get past > the controller steering speed sensitivity (by edititng the > limiter.(something) file that is burried somewhere in the car files), it > produces a really great driving feel. Which is not all that surprising > after you go and check some of the vehicle files. The ammount of stuff > represented in there is amazing! It could prove to be a surprise best > Rally sim contender. > > -Gregor

"Diamondcutter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3a1b20ec$0$35021$[email hidden]...

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> I'm with you, David. I feel as if I can hardly control the sim > without the cockpit to provide perspective, especially when you are > expected to spend a lot of time "slideways" such as DTR and any rally > sim > > If you can't see the dash, it's an arcade game. I also have done some > non-sim racing late models and find the views in, say N3, quite > realistic in regard to the amount of track you can see compared with > the interior. My late model was damn claustrophobic, which is > something I really appreciated. When I could touch the rollbar and > headrest with my helmet, I knew that I wouldn't get bounced around too > much during the (inevitable) impact. > > -Diamondcutter

I recently had the chance to sit in PPI's Tide Cup car and was really surprised just how claustrophobic it can be in one of those things, the wide angle lenses used in the TV broadcasts don't really give the viewer a true perspective. I know you don't want to be moving around at 180mph, but by the time you're belted in with a helmet on and all the frame tubes and nets around you, things are pretty tight in there. I couldn't imagine doing 500 miles on a short track in one of those bad boys, it must just beat the crap out of you. I must say though, I wouldn't even race one of those cars without a Hans device or some other sort of head restraint. The cars are built so strong your head and neck are pretty much free to flail around in a hard impact, it could snap a vertibrae like a matchstick if you hit at the wrong angle. -- don New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/

On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:03:24 -0800, "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Diamondcutter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:3a1b20ec$0$35021$[email hidden]... >> I'm with you, David. I feel as if I can hardly control the sim >> without the cockpit to provide perspective, especially when you are >> expected to spend a lot of time "slideways" such as DTR and any rally >> sim >> >> If you can't see the dash, it's an arcade game. I also have done some >> non-sim racing late models and find the views in, say N3, quite >> realistic in regard to the amount of track you can see compared with >> the interior. My late model was damn claustrophobic, which is >> something I really appreciated. When I could touch the rollbar and >> headrest with my helmet, I knew that I wouldn't get bounced around too >> much during the (inevitable) impact. >> >> -Diamondcutter > >I recently had the chance to sit in PPI's Tide Cup car and was really >surprised just how claustrophobic it can be in one of those things, the wide >angle lenses used in the TV broadcasts don't really give the viewer a true >perspective. I know you don't want to be moving around at 180mph, but by the >time you're belted in with a helmet on and all the frame tubes and nets >around you, things are pretty tight in there. I couldn't imagine doing 500 >miles on a short track in one of those bad boys, it must just beat the crap >out of you. I must say though, I wouldn't even race one of those cars >without a Hans device or some other sort of head restraint. The cars are >built so strong your head and neck are pretty much free to flail around in a >hard impact, it could snap a vertibrae like a matchstick if you hit at the >wrong angle.

Believe me, Don, that claustrophobia is quite reassuring. I never ran more than 100 laps, but I had the benefit of having the steering wheel much further away than the WC guys do. There was an article on the HANS devices in this month's Circle Track magazine . . . since my daughter and I both race, I'll be getting two of them for next season. -Diamondcutter