Re: Indycar II

In article <2tmR5.221762$[email hidden]>, "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: >If you bought it to *play*, you'll drive yerself nuts trying to get it to >work under DOS, with or without a Rendition card. I didn't think it was that difficult to run under a DOS window...but I don't have a Rendition... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.12 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I been thinking the same thing about about Cart and First Gen Rendition cards. My old computer (I have a new one) has the Diamond Stealth II card and to run Cart you have to do all that 'monkey motion' stuff and then it you can't use the Anti Aliasing. What I would like to know is which card are of the First Gen Rendition. I think the Sierra Screamin' 3d was one. What others were there? Any idea where you might buy one? Thanks, Steve

On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:53:48 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > No it does NOT support 3d cards. Max resolution is 640x480. Uhmm, how do I make it run at 640x480? I'm pretty sure my version runs at 320x240 only, judging by the size of the pixels. :-) There is no mention of 640 in the manual or readme either. Thanks, Jan

I just received Papyrus Indycar racing II through the post today after successfully bidding for it on Ebay.The ssole intent being to convert the tracks for GPL. But before I do that I would like to play the sim and maybe learn the tracks first before they are timewarped back to '67. Reading various websites I see that my version (the Win 95/ms-dos/mac,cd-rom) is not "rendition ready". What exactly does this mean? Are 3d cards supported by this game? will it cause any problems when converting the tracks to GPL? Have I just wasted a fiver?

"SEM" <[email hidden]> wrote > Reading various websites I see that my version (the Win > 95/ms-dos/mac,cd-rom) is not "rendition ready". What exactly does thismean? Rendition is a rasterizer for a non-used type of video card, created by well Rendition ;-) Some cards back about 3-4 years ago used a Rendition Redline (I think that was it's name) chipset and some game supported 3d acceleration with it. IndyCar Racing II was one of the few title on the market (Q1, Q2, Hexen II). This was before a widespread of 3d-acceleration, back in the days where 3dfx was starting to push it's Voodoo1 card on the market. What cards had such chipset? Hmm uhh the Hercules Thriller 3d, the Diamond Stealth II, the Canopus Total 3d, the Genoa V-Raptor 3d, Intergraph Intense 3d 100, the Jazz Bonnie&Clyde, the Jazz Outlaw 3d and the Sierra Screamin' 3d. Just install the DOS version non-Rendition, but when you convert the Icr2 track to GPL use the Rendition tracks for better graphics. Icr2-DOS has the most efficient GUI in the history of gaming (well almost, if they only had an option access "inside" a track event ;-D ). -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

No it does NOT support 3d cards. Max resolution is 640x480. The Rendition Ready version was the first 3d racinging game. Rendition was a brand of 3d cards. Their chip was called the Verite`. It came out slightly before the 3dfx Voodoo1. Papyrus allowed Rendition to recode the graphics for 5 of the tracks and the cars to allow the first 3d effects. It had Anti Aliasing long before anyone knew what it was...the tracks and cars were gorgeous. However by today's standards, the tracks were very low detail, even with 3d. Have you wasted a Fiver? Naw...the added tracks alone will give you more fun with GPL. But the Indycars are much more forgiving than the 67 F1 cars. Plus a whole different strategy is employed...you can adjust the Turbo boost to govern fuel economy. Going flat out with max boost isn't always the best solution if you have to make an extra fuel stop. The only multiplay in ICR2 is head to head via a modem so that pretty much means NO multiplayer. Allison's site has some 3d kits that will bring the rest of the tracks up to the same level as the Rendition tracks.(for conversion purposes...I don't think the windows version gets any benefit from those) dave henrie "SEM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8v4hpv$rd1$[email hidden]... > I just received Papyrus Indycar racing II through the post today after > successfully bidding for it on Ebay.The ssole intent being to convert the > tracks for GPL. > But before I do that I would like to play the sim and maybe learn thetracks > first before they are timewarped back to '67. > Reading various websites I see that my version (the Win > 95/ms-dos/mac,cd-rom) is not "rendition ready". What exactly does thismean? > Are 3d cards supported by this game? > will it cause any problems when converting the tracks to GPL? > Have I just wasted a fiver? >

SEM, If you bought it to *play*, you'll drive yerself nuts trying to get it to work under DOS, with or without a Rendition card. Hopefully, you bought it to convert the appropriate tracks to GPL with Dave Noonan's most excellent converter. After that, you can go online and find graphic 'enhancements' that will make most of the tracks (particularly Cleveland and Elkhart Lake) look better than any of the old 'Rendition-ready' versions that I can remember. (Except Laguna, which looks like sh*t despite some heroic efforts, and Surfers, which didn't make the cut, altho a pirated version has been circulating among the lesser primates on the Net.) --Steve Smith (who also wrote "Winning!", the CART Racing strategy guide...humma-humma) SEM <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8v4hpv$rd1$[email hidden]... > I just received Papyrus Indycar racing II through the post today after > successfully bidding for it on Ebay.The ssole intent being to convert the > tracks for GPL. > But before I do that I would like to play the sim and maybe learn thetracks > first before they are timewarped back to '67. > Reading various websites I see that my version (the Win > 95/ms-dos/mac,cd-rom) is not "rendition ready". What exactly does thismean? > Are 3d cards supported by this game? > will it cause any problems when converting the tracks to GPL? > Have I just wasted a fiver? >

I have been running hundreds of laps lately using the win95 version on the CART RAcing cd version. I have found it to be rock solid stable, unlike my old install of the Rendition version. I would really like to find an old First Gen Rendition card and rebuild a spare system to run Cart Racing in 3d.... dave henrie "

It's been a long time but I think you have to start it with the command line switch "-h" after the program name. Wayne Hutchison "Jan Loebzien" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:53:48 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > No it does NOT support 3d cards. Max resolution is 640x480. > > Uhmm, how do I make it run at 640x480? I'm pretty sure my version > runs at 320x240 only, judging by the size of the pixels. :-) There is > no mention of 640 in the manual or readme either. > > Thanks, Jan

Dave, How bad would you like one? <G> I've got an Intergraph Intense 3D (V1000), Diamond Stealth S220 (V2100) and Genoa VRaptor AGP (V2200). Wayne Hutchison "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kAnR5.42426$[email hidden]... > I have been running hundreds of laps lately using the win95 version > on the CART RAcing cd version. I have found it to be rock solid > stable, unlike my old install of the Rendition version. I would reallylike

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> to > find an old First Gen Rendition card and rebuild a spare system to > run Cart Racing in 3d.... > dave henrie > " > >

You can make it run under windows with no problems. just right click on the icon and under properties/program/advanced uncheck DOS mode, and check prevent ms-dos prgs detecting windows. It will then run in windows just fine, altho actually its running in DOS mode. PassedYa Stephen Smith wrote:

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> SEM, > > If you bought it to *play*, you'll drive yerself nuts trying to get it to > work under DOS, with or without a Rendition card. Hopefully, you bought it > to convert the appropriate tracks to GPL with Dave Noonan's most excellent > converter. After that, you can go online and find graphic 'enhancements' > that will make most of the tracks (particularly Cleveland and Elkhart Lake) > look better than any of the old 'Rendition-ready' versions that I can > remember. (Except Laguna, which looks like sh*t despite some heroic > efforts, and Surfers, which didn't make the cut, altho a pirated version has > been circulating among the lesser primates on the Net.) > > --Steve Smith (who also wrote "Winning!", the CART Racing strategy > guide...humma-humma) > > SEM <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8v4hpv$rd1$[email hidden]... > > I just received Papyrus Indycar racing II through the post today after > > successfully bidding for it on Ebay.The ssole intent being to convert the > > tracks for GPL. > > But before I do that I would like to play the sim and maybe learn the > tracks > > first before they are timewarped back to '67. > > Reading various websites I see that my version (the Win > > 95/ms-dos/mac,cd-rom) is not "rendition ready". What exactly does this > mean? > > Are 3d cards supported by this game? > > will it cause any problems when converting the tracks to GPL? > > Have I just wasted a fiver? > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > The only multiplay in ICR2 is head to head via a modem so that pretty much > means NO multiplayer. Did you ever try head to head racing in ICR2 ? A friend of mine and me did some session at Michigan a few years ago and it was a blast. We had a seriously close finish in one race, hung up the modem and called each other to rave about the fantastic experience :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Also....you may have to uncheck "direct sound"...this can cause it to not work under windows......I've done this, and it worked for me. "SEM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8v4hpv$rd1$[email hidden]... > I just received Papyrus Indycar racing II through the post today after > successfully bidding for it on Ebay.The ssole intent being to convert the > tracks for GPL. > But before I do that I would like to play the sim and maybe learn thetracks > first before they are timewarped back to '67. > Reading various websites I see that my version (the Win > 95/ms-dos/mac,cd-rom) is not "rendition ready". What exactly does thismean? > Are 3d cards supported by this game? > will it cause any problems when converting the tracks to GPL? > Have I just wasted a fiver? >

Back in the good old days of the Sports Simulations forum on Compuserve, we used to run head to head modem races using ICR2. There were several of us who competed in a ladder format where winners moved up the ladder and challenged those above. The connections were always good and the racing was great. The long distance bills on the other hand... Wayne Hutchison "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > The only multiplay in ICR2 is head to head via a modem so that prettymuch

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> > means NO multiplayer. > > Did you ever try head to head racing in ICR2 ? A friend of mine and me > did some session at Michigan a few years ago and it was a blast. We > had a seriously close finish in one race, hung up the modem and called > each other to rave about the fantastic experience :) > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

Intergraph Intense 3D 100 was another "SLCsurfer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I been thinking the same thing about about Cart and First Gen Renditioncards. > My old computer (I have a new one) has the Diamond Stealth II card and torun > Cart you have to do all that 'monkey motion' stuff and then it you can'tuse > the Anti Aliasing. What I would like to know is which card are of theFirst > Gen Rendition. I think the Sierra Screamin' 3d was one. What others were > there? Any idea where you might buy one? > Thanks, > Steve

On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:08:20 -0500, "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's been a long time but I think you have to start it with the command line >switch "-h" after the program name. Thanks, that did the trick. Jan

On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 02:05:52 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's a shame the GP line still seems saddled with much of it's original >multiplayer code. I thought you were going to say "graphics code" here ... it would have been equally appropriate. :-) Jan

My first racing multiplayer was with World Circuit(gp1) We "THOUGHT" thats how all racing games would behave. After all we only had 14.4 modems and the cars would lurch forward about 20 feet each second. AWFUL...But at the time we were under the impression that was the best that could be done. Then ICR came out...with a big Sticker on the box proclaiming head to head multiplayer action...only ONE PROBLEM...it DIDN"T work. The code was completely non functional. So almost every week there was a post on the fido-net bbs system from Papyrus apologizing for the problem and promising they were working on it....It took about SIX MONTHS before the patch was released. We called, connected ...and went to the track expecting another gp1 type slide show.....GAWDALLMIGHTY! It was awesome! We couldn't even tell we were online 'cept for the fact we each had a custom painted car. It's a shame the GP line still seems saddled with much of it's original multiplayer code. dave henrie "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > The only multiplay in ICR2 is head to head via a modem so that prettymuch

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> > means NO multiplayer. > > Did you ever try head to head racing in ICR2 ? A friend of mine and me > did some session at Michigan a few years ago and it was a blast. We > had a seriously close finish in one race, hung up the modem and called > each other to rave about the fantastic experience :) > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

The Intense 3d sounds promising...do you want what it's worth or what its worth to me? :> dave henrie "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OcvR5.758$[email hidden]... > Dave, > > How bad would you like one? <G> I've got an Intergraph Intense 3D (V1000), > Diamond Stealth S220 (V2100) and Genoa VRaptor AGP (V2200). > > Wayne Hutchison

SLCsurfer wrote: > I been thinking the same thing about about Cart and First Gen Rendition cards. > My old computer (I have a new one) has the Diamond Stealth II card and to run > Cart you have to do all that 'monkey motion' stuff and then it you can't use > the Anti Aliasing. What I would like to know is which card are of the First > Gen Rendition. I think the Sierra Screamin' 3d was one. What others were > there? V1000 is the one you want for IndycarII. Intergraph Reactor (name later changed to Intense3D) Screamin' Sierra (actually made for Sierra by Canopus) Canopus ______ (can't recall the name, someone help me here ...) Creative Labs _______ (might have been their first 3DBlaster vard) Later, the V2100 (like your Diamond) and the better V2200 (ex. Hercules Thriller) came out. May or may not run IndycarII without at least some tinkering. But an 8MB V2200 was the ultimate GPL video card when GPL was first released. Esp. the 8MB Hercules Thriller, it had faster memory, and was fairly overclockable.