GPL, N3 and track editing

I was amazed at how good the additionnal customs tracks for GPL are good and unique. I love Snetterton and Solitude is not too bad either. One thing that bothers me: how come we don't have as good custom tracks for N3 as we do for GPL? Aside from Desert Wind, there's not much originality in the tracks: most of them are actual tracks from N3 edited with different banking and slightly different graphics. I assume making oval track is a lot easier that making full fledge road courses, so why hasn't it been done yet? I would like to order a set of short tracks! -- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

It has been done. http://www.simcyberworld.com/html/tep/index.htm Sears97 and Sears99 are original tracks not using the preexisting Papy-tracks. Birmingham, Desert Winds, and Desert Winds Oval, FordTest, and SkidPad are also original tracks for N3. There is Trenton for N-Legends as well... all are created from scratch without using Papyrus tracks. Why dont you see more? Give me something interesting to create and I will... "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I was amazed at how good the additionnal customs tracks for GPL are good > and unique. I love Snetterton and Solitude is not too bad either. One > thing that bothers me: how come we don't have as good custom tracks for > N3 as we do for GPL? Aside from Desert Wind, there's not much > originality in the tracks: most of them are actual tracks from N3 edited > with different banking and slightly different graphics. I assume making > oval track is a lot easier that making full fledge road courses, so why > hasn't it been done yet? I would like to order a set of short tracks! > -- > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

i was hoping you could gimme some info on track desing in gpl hope you can help Tris "Tim McArthur" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OhxS5.451793$[email hidden]... > It has been done. http://www.simcyberworld.com/html/tep/index.htm > > Sears97 and Sears99 are original tracks not using the preexisting > Papy-tracks. Birmingham, Desert Winds, and Desert Winds Oval, FordTest,and > SkidPad are also original tracks for N3. There is Trenton for N-Legends as > well... all are created from scratch without using Papyrus tracks. > > Why dont you see more? Give me something interesting to create and Iwill...

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> > > > "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I was amazed at how good the additionnal customs tracks for GPL are good > > and unique. I love Snetterton and Solitude is not too bad either. One > > thing that bothers me: how come we don't have as good custom tracks for > > N3 as we do for GPL? Aside from Desert Wind, there's not much > > originality in the tracks: most of them are actual tracks from N3 edited > > with different banking and slightly different graphics. I assume making > > oval track is a lot easier that making full fledge road courses, so why > > hasn't it been done yet? I would like to order a set of short tracks! > > -- > > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie > >

Where do I start? There's the Trois-Rivières road course (city), the Mont-Tremblant permanent road course, some short tracks from the CASCAR series (would love New Brunswick speedway and St-Eustache... and please don't clone me a flat version of Hickory, St-Eustache is a 1/3 mile flat egg-shaped short track). That's for starters. I have the excellent Sears Point track and Desert Wind road course; I didn't know that Birmingham, Desert wind oval, FordTest and SkidPad existed. I have installed San Jose, but it really is just a high banked Milwaukee mile. I have downloaded Trenton, but haven't tried it yet. But you do mention that most of those tracks were done using existing Papyrus tracks. My point is can we create totally new tracks like tracks in GPL (Snetterton, Solitude, Goodwood were not made from existing GPL tracks, unless I'm blind). Tim McArthur wrote:

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> > It has been done. http://www.simcyberworld.com/html/tep/index.htm > > Sears97 and Sears99 are original tracks not using the preexisting > Papy-tracks. Birmingham, Desert Winds, and Desert Winds Oval, FordTest, and > SkidPad are also original tracks for N3. There is Trenton for N-Legends as > well... all are created from scratch without using Papyrus tracks. > > Why dont you see more? Give me something interesting to create and I will... > > "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I was amazed at how good the additionnal customs tracks for GPL are good > > and unique. I love Snetterton and Solitude is not too bad either. One > > thing that bothers me: how come we don't have as good custom tracks for > > N3 as we do for GPL? Aside from Desert Wind, there's not much > > originality in the tracks: most of them are actual tracks from N3 edited > > with different banking and slightly different graphics. I assume making > > oval track is a lot easier that making full fledge road courses, so why > > hasn't it been done yet? I would like to order a set of short tracks! > > -- > > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

-- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

Shut up Ron, The Glen with the Boot has to come first!! :-) Ron Ayton wrote in message <01c05400$226a5120$d53d36cb@ronayton>...

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>Hi Tim, >I asked you last time to create the Indy F1 circuit for GPL, still >waiting.. :)) >How about converting Trenton to GPL for us as well, that would be a >unique challenge in GPL and it's a great track as well, so it would be >a worthy addition to GPL... >Finally, if you really want to make a lot of people happy, how about >creating Bathurst. ? > >Cheers, >Ron

Actually, all the tracks listed are NOT based off the Papyrus tracks. Even Sears point was built completely from scratch using no papy code at all (well, maybe I used the 3do for the porta-potties outside of turn-10). The tracks listed at TEP (minus the obvious) have one distinct feature about them... me <VBG> seriously... there were built from scratch just as Noonan and others have done with Snetterton, Solitude, Goodwood, etc. This is the way I explain it to others: I suck at editing tracks. Hell, I couldn't edit an existing TRK file if my life depended on it.... but, when it comes to creating one from scratch... that is where my passion is. If you have ideas for new tracks, get me some info on them and send it on over. "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Where do I start? There's the Trois-Rivi�res road course (city), the Mont-Tremblant permanent road course, some short tracks from the CASCAR series (would love New Brunswick speedway and St-Eustache... and please don't clone me a flat version of Hickory, St-Eustache is a 1/3 mile flat egg-shaped short track). That's for starters. I have the excellent Sears Point track and Desert Wind road course; I didn't know that Birmingham, Desert wind oval, FordTest and SkidPad existed. I have installed San Jose, but it really is just a high banked Milwaukee mile. I have downloaded Trenton, but haven't tried it yet. But you do mention that most of those tracks were done using existing Papyrus tracks. My point is can we create totally new tracks like tracks in GPL (Snetterton, Solitude, Goodwood were not made from existing GPL tracks, unless I'm blind). Tim McArthur wrote: > > It has been done. http://www.simcyberworld.com/html/tep/index.htm > > Sears97 and Sears99 are original tracks not using the preexisting > Papy-tracks. Birmingham, Desert Winds, and Desert Winds Oval, FordTest,and > SkidPad are also original tracks for N3. There is Trenton for N-Legends as > well... all are created from scratch without using Papyrus tracks. > > Why dont you see more? Give me something interesting to create and Iwill...

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> > "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I was amazed at how good the additionnal customs tracks for GPL are good > > and unique. I love Snetterton and Solitude is not too bad either. One > > thing that bothers me: how come we don't have as good custom tracks for > > N3 as we do for GPL? Aside from Desert Wind, there's not much > > originality in the tracks: most of them are actual tracks from N3 edited > > with different banking and slightly different graphics. I assume making > > oval track is a lot easier that making full fledge road courses, so why > > hasn't it been done yet? I would like to order a set of short tracks! > > -- > > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

-- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

HAHA, Actually I do have a rough draft of the IMS roadcourse done already but I havent worked on it for some time. Glen+Boot is an idea still bouncing back-n-forth in this emtpy skull, but I really have an itch to do Willow Springs and/or Thunder Hill. Both are Calif. raceways and within driving distance of me so I can get the correct measurements. That is the big factor... I really need the actual measurements to make it into something great. Guessing is for wimps. "Mike Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:h7DS5.262229$[email hidden]...

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> Shut up Ron, The Glen with the Boot has to come first!! :-) > > Ron Ayton wrote in message <01c05400$226a5120$d53d36cb@ronayton>... > >Hi Tim, > >I asked you last time to create the Indy F1 circuit for GPL, still > >waiting.. :)) > >How about converting Trenton to GPL for us as well, that would be a > >unique challenge in GPL and it's a great track as well, so it would be > >a worthy addition to GPL... > >Finally, if you really want to make a lot of people happy, how about > >creating Bathurst. ? > > > >Cheers, > >Ron > > >

Hi Tim, I asked you last time to create the Indy F1 circuit for GPL, still waiting.. :)) How about converting Trenton to GPL for us as well, that would be a unique challenge in GPL and it's a great track as well, so it would be a worthy addition to GPL... Finally, if you really want to make a lot of people happy, how about creating Bathurst. ? Cheers, Ron Tim McArthur <[email hidden]> wrote in article <OhxS5.451793$[email hidden]>... > It has been done. http://www.simcyberworld.com/html/tep/index.htm > > Sears97 and Sears99 are original tracks not using the preexisting > Papy-tracks. Birmingham, Desert Winds, and Desert Winds Oval,FordTest, and > SkidPad are also original tracks for N3. There is Trenton forN-Legends as > well... all are created from scratch without using Papyrus tracks. > > Why dont you see more? Give me something interesting to create and Iwill... >

Brooklands!! Tim McArthur <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1UKS5.455306$[email hidden]...

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> Actually, all the tracks listed are NOT based off the Papyrus tracks. Even > Sears point was built completely from scratch using no papy code at all > (well, maybe I used the 3do for the porta-potties outside of turn-10). The > tracks listed at TEP (minus the obvious) have one distinct feature about > them... me <VBG> seriously... there were built from scratch just as Noonan > and others have done with Snetterton, Solitude, Goodwood, etc. > > This is the way I explain it to others: I suck at editing tracks. Hell, I > couldn't edit an existing TRK file if my life depended on it.... but, when > it comes to creating one from scratch... that is where my passion is. > > If you have ideas for new tracks, get me some info on them and send it on > over. > > "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > Where do I start? There's the Trois-Rivi�res road course (city), the > Mont-Tremblant permanent road course, some short tracks from the CASCAR > series (would love New Brunswick speedway and St-Eustache... and please > don't clone me a flat version of Hickory, St-Eustache is a 1/3 mile flat > egg-shaped short track). That's for starters. > > I have the excellent Sears Point track and Desert Wind road course; I > didn't know that Birmingham, Desert wind oval, FordTest and SkidPad > existed. I have installed San Jose, but it really is just a high banked > Milwaukee mile. I have downloaded Trenton, but haven't tried it yet. But > you do mention that most of those tracks were done using existing > Papyrus tracks. My point is can we create totally new tracks like tracks > in GPL (Snetterton, Solitude, Goodwood were not made from existing GPL > tracks, unless I'm blind). > > Tim McArthur wrote: > > > > It has been done. http://www.simcyberworld.com/html/tep/index.htm > > > > Sears97 and Sears99 are original tracks not using the preexisting > > Papy-tracks. Birmingham, Desert Winds, and Desert Winds Oval, FordTest, > and > > SkidPad are also original tracks for N3. There is Trenton for N-Legends

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> > well... all are created from scratch without using Papyrus tracks. > > > > Why dont you see more? Give me something interesting to create and I > will... > > > > "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I was amazed at how good the additionnal customs tracks for GPL are

good > > > and unique. I love Snetterton and Solitude is not too bad either. One > > > thing that bothers me: how come we don't have as good custom tracksfor > > > N3 as we do for GPL? Aside from Desert Wind, there's not much > > > originality in the tracks: most of them are actual tracks from N3edited > > > with different banking and slightly different graphics. I assumemaking > > > oval track is a lot easier that making full fledge road courses, sowhy

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> > > hasn't it been done yet? I would like to order a set of short tracks! > > > -- > > > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie > > -- > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie > >

> How about converting Trenton to GPL for us as well, that would be a > unique challenge in GPL and it's a great track as well, so it would be > a worthy addition to GPL... > Finally, if you really want to make a lot of people happy, how about > creating Bathurst. ? Well there is a pretty good version of Bathurst for SCGT. Driving those big Winston Cup cars on that narrow circuit would be a challenge. And trying to squeeze the wide-body TPTCC road racing cars would REALLY be tight as you come down off the mountain. (shh I need to whisper something to Tim...) [mid ohio...mid ohio...MID OHIO!] :> dave henrie

Hate to say it, but there is literally no information regarding Mid-Ohio on the internet. I too would love to build a good version of this track, but I would need a lot of inofrmation on it... or blueprints :-) "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iZaT5.67529$[email hidden]... > > How about converting Trenton to GPL for us as well, that would be a > > unique challenge in GPL and it's a great track as well, so it would be > > a worthy addition to GPL... > > Finally, if you really want to make a lot of people happy, how about > > creating Bathurst. ? > Well there is a pretty good version of Bathurst for SCGT. Drivingthose > big Winston Cup cars on that narrow circuit would be a challenge. And > trying to squeeze the wide-body TPTCC road racing cars would REALLY betight > as you come down off the mountain. > (shh I need to whisper something to Tim...) [mid ohio...mid ohio...MID > OHIO!] :> > dave henrie >

Have you seen this? http://www.na-motorsports.com/Tracks/MidOhio.html#TrackMap In article <XPdT5.461471$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Hate to say it, but there is literally no information regarding Mid-Ohio on > the internet. I too would love to build a good version of this track, but I > would need a lot of inofrmation on it... or blueprints :-) > -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons IGPS/3 Home Page http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Thanks John, that is helpful... but only the beginning of what I may need to re-create this track. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Have you seen this? > > http://www.na-motorsports.com/Tracks/MidOhio.html#TrackMap > > In article <XPdT5.461471$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Hate to say it, but there is literally no information regarding Mid-Ohio

on > > the internet. I too would love to build a good version of this track,but I

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> > would need a lot of inofrmation on it... or blueprints :-) > > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > IGPS/3 Home Page > http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Yeah, i noticed there's no elevation info, but you might be able to get blueprints from the track organization itself, or from the Lexington City or County land office. The blue prints are a matter of public record, and paying a small fee for a copy may be worth it. :-) In article <qMxT5.464113$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Thanks John, that is helpful... but only the beginning of what I may need to > re-create this track. > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Have you seen this? > > > > http://www.na-motorsports.com/Tracks/MidOhio.html#TrackMap > > > > In article <XPdT5.461471$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Hate to say it, but there is literally no information regarding Mid-Ohio > on > > > the internet. I too would love to build a good version of this track, > but I > > > would need a lot of inofrmation on it... or blueprints :-) > > >

-- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons IGPS/3 Home Page http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Tim McArthur wrote in message ... >Thanks John, that is helpful... but only the beginning of what I may needto

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>re-create this track. > >"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Have you seen this? >> >> http://www.na-motorsports.com/Tracks/MidOhio.html#TrackMap

on a side note... If you go to their Watkins Glen maps, you'll see the elevation changes for not just the NASCAR track but also the !!BOOT!! <hint> ;-) GPL + the Glen with the boot = FUN FUN FUN