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Re: Nascar curiosity

5 posts by 4 people · 01 Dec 2000 - 02 Dec 2000 01:51 UTC

bob 01 Dec 2000#217836
On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 16:54:06 GMT, Thomas JS Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (18 lines)>I think the standard Nascar differential is the type referred to as the >Detroit Locker. It senses and reacts to differential wheel speed as >opposed to differential torque (like the kind in GPL) and is a much more >simple design (though much more noisy and clunky) than the limited slip >variety of diff. >> > being a European that's slowly getting into Nascar, I have a question. >> > While setup options of both Nascar Heat and Nascar 4 demos are a sim >> > enigneer's dream, I noticed that neither features any differential lock >> > settings. Is this because real Nascar rules allow only a single type of >> > differential being used (in NH, it seems like a locked axle considering >> > the ammount of push), or is it something that simply isn't altered on >> > ovals where traction isn't that much of an issue? >> > >> I was wondering the same thing. Like a option for a open differential, >> limited slip or a locker. Some teams try and race with a open Diff at >> Dega and Daytona to gain some extra HP at the rear wheel. >>
1. A clutchpack diff as used in GPL is also a speed sensitive diff. For torque sensing you need something like a Torsen. 2. An clutchpack or detroit locker diff does not use a significant amount of hp. It may reduce speed by causing tire drag and corner entry understeer, which is why you might try an open diff on a high speed oval oval where wheelspin is not an issue. Actually, a Torsen burns some hp, due to truly incredible gear forces. 3. Most folks in Nascar use a detroit locker type on ovals. I wonder if they do something else on the road courses?
Gregor Veble 01 Dec 2000 13:04 UTC#218008
Hello all, being a European that's slowly getting into Nascar, I have a question. While setup options of both Nascar Heat and Nascar 4 demos are a sim enigneer's dream, I noticed that neither features any differential lock settings. Is this because real Nascar rules allow only a single type of differential being used (in NH, it seems like a locked axle considering the ammount of push), or is it something that simply isn't altered on ovals where traction isn't that much of an issue? -Gregor
Alan Orton 01 Dec 2000 13:47 UTC#218020
Gregor Veble wrote:
Quoted text (12 lines)> > Hello all, > > being a European that's slowly getting into Nascar, I have a question. > While setup options of both Nascar Heat and Nascar 4 demos are a sim > enigneer's dream, I noticed that neither features any differential lock > settings. Is this because real Nascar rules allow only a single type of > differential being used (in NH, it seems like a locked axle considering > the ammount of push), or is it something that simply isn't altered on > ovals where traction isn't that much of an issue? > > -Gregor
I was wondering the same thing. Like a option for a open differential, limited slip or a locker. Some teams try and race with a open Diff at Dega and Daytona to gain some extra HP at the rear wheel. -- Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) http://www.barc-oc.com http://www.casc.on.ca
Thomas JS Brown 01 Dec 2000 16:54 UTC#217855
I think the standard Nascar differential is the type referred to as the Detroit Locker. It senses and reacts to differential wheel speed as opposed to differential torque (like the kind in GPL) and is a much more simple design (though much more noisy and clunky) than the limited slip variety of diff. TJ Alan Orton wrote:
Quoted text (23 lines)> > Gregor Veble wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > being a European that's slowly getting into Nascar, I have a question. > > While setup options of both Nascar Heat and Nascar 4 demos are a sim > > enigneer's dream, I noticed that neither features any differential lock > > settings. Is this because real Nascar rules allow only a single type of > > differential being used (in NH, it seems like a locked axle considering > > the ammount of push), or is it something that simply isn't altered on > > ovals where traction isn't that much of an issue? > > > > -Gregor > > I was wondering the same thing. Like a option for a open differential, > limited slip or a locker. Some teams try and race with a open Diff at > Dega and Daytona to gain some extra HP at the rear wheel. > > -- > Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) > http://www.barc-oc.com > http://www.casc.on.ca
Thomas JS Brown 02 Dec 2000 01:51 UTC#217966
> 1. A clutchpack diff as used in GPL is also a speed sensitive > diff. For torque sensing you need something like a Torsen. Yes, you're right, though the clutchpack lsd diff functions on torque it is wheelspeed sensing type of arrangement. My mistake.. TJ

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