Re: Any sim racers using the ATI Rage Fury Pro card?

Actually, Bob, this is EXACTLY what I'm looking for -- THANKS! I figure that if you're getting good performance with a Rage Fury on a PIII 750, then I should get similar performance with a Rage Fury Pro and a Duron 750 (with a little faster video card and a slightly slower processor). I'm a tightwad myself, and I'd rather have trailing-edge technology at a budget price. Ebay is my savior in this respect -- I can't remember the last new video card I purchased! <G> FWIW, the Radeon sounds VERY impressive, and I've heard that it SCREAMS in the MBTR benchmarks, but the reports also indicate that it has some graphical glitches in that game that make it unplayable. Given that pixel monsters like the GeForce still have problems with things like F1 2000, ATI's efforts on tile-based texturing may be the PERFECT approach for providing good performance in racing sims, but ATI has got to solve these kinds of issues first. Anybody know if the latest Radeon drivers have fixed the problems that were reported by the folks at Tom's Hardware? -- JB In article <[email hidden]>, "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote: > This isn't exactly what you're looking for but I have a PIII667 (o/c750) > with a 32MB Rage Fury (the card "before" the Pro) and it's stillholding up > well. DVD is beautiful with virtually no impact on CPU usage. > > Yes, it's not state of the art but I can run most games with enougheye > candy to keep me happy. > > GPL runs great, F12K is a little slow at times (but that's true onsome > pretty good video cards too), MTBR looks great, SCGT good, etc. > > To give you an idea of my card's relative performance... I'm anupgrade > junkie (which suits my wife fine as she gets some of the cast-offs)and I've > got the $ burning a hole in my pocket to upgrade and *I'm* having ahard > time justifying the upgrade to an ATi Radeon. > > The Rage Fury is still that strong enough that even I(!) can'tconvince > myself to dump it. A Rage Fury Pro could only be better - likely agood > "budget" card for you. > > One piece of advice: follow ATi's driver install instructions *to the > letter*. Forget to switch to Generic VGA before installing the newdrivers

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> and you'll have all sorts of fun... > > SB. > -- > --------------- > return e-mail address invalid > reply to me in the newsgroup > --------------- > <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:90a2ee$jne$[email hidden]... > > I know it's not going to be like adding a GeForce MX, Voodoo5, or > > Radeon card, but I'd like to know if anybody can tell me what toexpect > > in terms of general performance and graphics quality with the RageFury > > Pro. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

http://www.rage3d.com/ Save this link it will come in real handy with any ATI issues. (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (PHYDEAUX99) wrote: > http://www.rage3d.com/ EXCELLENT site -- thanks!! > Save this link it will come in real handy with any ATI issues. > (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail) LOL! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

COOL! Thanks for the feedback -- I view this as good news. The Max is VERY impressive, BTW. I would be looking at that more closely, but it lacks the Rage Fury Pro's TV-out, and I hope to use that to take advantage of ATI's excellent DVD capabilities. Man, I've been all over the map lately -- after being strictly a Voodoo guy for several years, I've been using NVidia TNT2 cards in both my systems for the past 6 months or so (GREAT cards, excellent performance and quality, and DEFINITELY an improvement over the Voodoo Banshee boards I was using previously), but now I'm looking at the DVD and multimedia capabilities that ATI offers to get a little more bang out of my computing investment. To this end, I think the Rage Fury Pro will be a good match with the horsepower offered by my Duron 750 system. I had an ATI 3D Xpression+PC2TV a few years back, and that was a very solid card (then I got on the Rendition bandwagon for the 3D acceleration for ICR2, and then I segued to the Voodoo cards, then . . .). Ain't technology great? ;-) -- JB In article <CZ2W5.4114$[email hidden]>, "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote: > JB, I'm using the Rage Fury Maxx and have no problems with thefollowing

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> games: > -GPL > -N3 > -HEAT > -N4 Demo > -F1WGP > -GP3 > -F12K > -N Legends > -NFS: PU > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:90a2ee$jne$[email hidden]... > > This is a little off-topic, but I am going to be adding an ATI Rage > > Fury Pro card to my main system to take advantage of the excellentDVD > > hardware acceleration capabilities that ATI offers, and I waswondering > > if anybody else is using this card with racing sims? My currentcard > > is a 16MB TNT2 Ultra (yes, it's a 16 MB Ultra), and according to the > > benchmark comparisons I've found, the ATI Rage Fury Pro iscomparable > > (but a little slower) than the 32MB TNT2 Ultra. My Duron ishandling > > most of the load as it is with my current video card, so I figurethe > > ATI card shouldn't be too much of a hindrance. > > > > I know it's not going to be like adding a GeForce MX, Voodoo5, or > > Radeon card, but I'd like to know if anybody can tell me what toexpect > > in terms of general performance and graphics quality with the RageFury

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> > Pro. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > -- JB > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

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This is a little off-topic, but I am going to be adding an ATI Rage Fury Pro card to my main system to take advantage of the excellent DVD hardware acceleration capabilities that ATI offers, and I was wondering if anybody else is using this card with racing sims? My current card is a 16MB TNT2 Ultra (yes, it's a 16 MB Ultra), and according to the benchmark comparisons I've found, the ATI Rage Fury Pro is comparable (but a little slower) than the 32MB TNT2 Ultra. My Duron is handling most of the load as it is with my current video card, so I figure the ATI card shouldn't be too much of a hindrance. I know it's not going to be like adding a GeForce MX, Voodoo5, or Radeon card, but I'd like to know if anybody can tell me what to expect in terms of general performance and graphics quality with the Rage Fury Pro. Thanks in advance. -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

This isn't exactly what you're looking for but I have a PIII667 (o/c 750) with a 32MB Rage Fury (the card "before" the Pro) and it's still holding up well. DVD is beautiful with virtually no impact on CPU usage. Yes, it's not state of the art but I can run most games with enough eye candy to keep me happy. GPL runs great, F12K is a little slow at times (but that's true on some pretty good video cards too), MTBR looks great, SCGT good, etc. To give you an idea of my card's relative performance... I'm an upgrade junkie (which suits my wife fine as she gets some of the cast-offs) and I've got the $ burning a hole in my pocket to upgrade and *I'm* having a hard time justifying the upgrade to an ATi Radeon. The Rage Fury is still that strong enough that even I(!) can't convince myself to dump it. A Rage Fury Pro could only be better - likely a good "budget" card for you. One piece of advice: follow ATi's driver install instructions *to the letter*. Forget to switch to Generic VGA before installing the new drivers and you'll have all sorts of fun... SB. -- --------------- return e-mail address invalid reply to me in the newsgroup --------------- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90a2ee$jne$[email hidden]... > I know it's not going to be like adding a GeForce MX, Voodoo5, or > Radeon card, but I'd like to know if anybody can tell me what to expect > in terms of general performance and graphics quality with the Rage Fury > Pro.

JB, I'm using the Rage Fury Maxx and have no problems with the following games: -GPL -N3 -HEAT -N4 Demo -F1WGP -GP3 -F12K -N Legends -NFS: PU <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90a2ee$jne$[email hidden]...

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> This is a little off-topic, but I am going to be adding an ATI Rage > Fury Pro card to my main system to take advantage of the excellent DVD > hardware acceleration capabilities that ATI offers, and I was wondering > if anybody else is using this card with racing sims? My current card > is a 16MB TNT2 Ultra (yes, it's a 16 MB Ultra), and according to the > benchmark comparisons I've found, the ATI Rage Fury Pro is comparable > (but a little slower) than the 32MB TNT2 Ultra. My Duron is handling > most of the load as it is with my current video card, so I figure the > ATI card shouldn't be too much of a hindrance. > > I know it's not going to be like adding a GeForce MX, Voodoo5, or > Radeon card, but I'd like to know if anybody can tell me what to expect > in terms of general performance and graphics quality with the Rage Fury > Pro. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- JB > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

In article <90g5d4$qps$[email hidden]>, "Trevor Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > [email hidden] wrote in message <90bk11$lae$[email hidden]>... > >COOL! Thanks for the feedback -- I view this as good news. The Maxis > >VERY impressive, BTW. I would be looking at that more closely, butit > >lacks the Rage Fury Pro's TV-out, and I hope to use that to take > >advantage of ATI's excellent DVD capabilities. > > <snip> > > Hi JB I'm building a new 1+ gig machine and I cant decide on a videocard > either. I've always been a VooDoo man like yourself and so I'mthinking > about a 5500. My main concern is not pretty colors or being able torun > above 800 x 600, it is framerate. Naturally I want the card that willgive > me the best framerate at 800 x 600 and right now I dont know whatthat is. > > Would apreciate your or anyone elses thoughts on this. I have some articles that you might want to read -- go to this thread and check out the links referenced therein: http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=690905816.1 If that doesn't work, the links to the story itself are here: http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000175 http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000172 Basically, I don't know WHAT I would buy now; I'm getting the ATI card to gain the DVD hardware decoding capabilities, but it wouldn't be my first choice if I were looking for a next-generation card for gaming. The Radeon looks VERY good, as it has a more advanced architecture than even the GeForce cards, but I'm not sure about the driver stability. Then again, the same could be said for the NVidia cards (to be fair, though, once you settle on a good set of NVidia drivers, I've found that there's no real need to keep chasing constant driver upgrades with my TNT cards). I would recommend against the Voodoo route at this point in time -- there are reports of incompatibilities between the Voodoo5 and the new Pentium 4 architecture, which may mean the beginning of the end for the leadership we've seen from 3Dfx products. At any rate, read the links I've given you for starters before you do anything. Hope this helps a little. -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

[email hidden] wrote in message <90bk11$lae$[email hidden]>... >COOL! Thanks for the feedback -- I view this as good news. The Max is >VERY impressive, BTW. I would be looking at that more closely, but it >lacks the Rage Fury Pro's TV-out, and I hope to use that to take >advantage of ATI's excellent DVD capabilities. <snip> Hi JB I'm building a new 1+ gig machine and I cant decide on a video card either. I've always been a VooDoo man like yourself and so I'm thinking about a 5500. My main concern is not pretty colors or being able to run above 800 x 600, it is framerate. Naturally I want the card that will give me the best framerate at 800 x 600 and right now I dont know what that is. Would apreciate your or anyone elses thoughts on this. Trev

On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:14:56 GMT, [email hidden] thus spoke: >I would recommend against the Voodoo route at this point in time -- >there are reports of incompatibilities between the Voodoo5 and the new >Pentium 4 architecture, which may mean the beginning of the end for the >leadership we've seen from 3Dfx products. It's not the beginning of the end for 3DFX. Their next card (Rampage) won't have this problem and it also has a T&L capable GPU. Anyway, the P4 is not very good choice for gamers at this point in time. An Athlon 1.2ghz DDR beats a P4 1.5ghz.

DVD players are about 220USD in Switzerland. The PS2 is about 460USD. I prefer the standalone player, but I still have a slot to fill on the stereo rack. Stephen Amp <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 05:55:24 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> thus > spoke: > > > John if you REALLY want DVD, don't cripple your system going for > >a 2nd gen vid card. Get a dang Playstation 2. Then max out your videocard > >in your computer. > >dave henrie > > I was thinking the same thing the other day. When the price comes down > on the PS2 I'll just buy one of those for DVD and get a free console > system as a bonus.

LOL! Good advice, Dave, but I'm doing these upgrades for less than $100, which won't buy me the box the PS2 comes in. <G> Besides, the PS2 is still in my tentative long-range plans, but I'm not going to decide until the X-Box actually comes out (AND the prices come down). My Duron rocks, so my system should still be okay, and I can migrate the ATI card to my wife's computer later on, so it's something of an investment. -- JB In article <gr%W5.115944$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > John if you REALLY want DVD, don't cripple your system going for > a 2nd gen vid card. Get a dang Playstation 2. Then max out yourvideo card > in your computer. > dave henrie > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90gcd9$ > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

LOL! Good advice, Dave, but I'm doing these upgrades for less than $100, which won't buy me the box the PS2 comes in. <G> Besides, the PS2 is still in my tentative long-range plans, but I'm not going to decide until the X-Box actually comes out (AND the prices come down). My Duron rocks, so my system should still be okay, and I can migrate the ATI card to my wife's computer later on, so it's something of an investment. -- JB In article <gr%W5.115944$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > John if you REALLY want DVD, don't cripple your system going for > a 2nd gen vid card. Get a dang Playstation 2. Then max out yourvideo card > in your computer. > dave henrie > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90gcd9$ > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

John if you REALLY want DVD, don't cripple your system going for a 2nd gen vid card. Get a dang Playstation 2. Then max out your video card in your computer. dave henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90gcd9$

On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 05:55:24 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > John if you REALLY want DVD, don't cripple your system going for >a 2nd gen vid card. Get a dang Playstation 2. Then max out your video card >in your computer. >dave henrie I was thinking the same thing the other day. When the price comes down on the PS2 I'll just buy one of those for DVD and get a free console system as a bonus.

A stand alone DVD player is about half the price of a PS2 and performs at least as well, probably better. The PS2 doesn't have the LCD / LED or whatever they're using now ;) display, and you'll need to buy a specific remote control and receiver if you need remote control. If it's just DVD you want, my advice is get a stand alone unit, though if you want the ability to play games on a console then the PS2 is the way to go. However, if you want a DVD player for the PC so you can watch movies and use DVD ROM (which is slightly uncommon at the moment) then you have no choice but to get a PC DVD reader and possibly a card that supports it, my PC DVD runs ok for my needs in software mode. It doesn't remotely compare to my home DVD player through a largish TV and Dolby Digital sound though <G> -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam > Amp <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 05:55:24 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> thus > spoke: > > > John if you REALLY want DVD, don't cripple your system going for > >a 2nd gen vid card. Get a dang Playstation 2. Then max out your video card > >in your computer. > >dave henrie > > I was thinking the same thing the other day. When the price comes down > on the PS2 I'll just buy one of those for DVD and get a free console > system as a bonus.

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:56:55 -0000, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >A stand alone DVD player is about half the price of a PS2 and performs at >least as well, probably better. I said in my post, "when the price comes down". I'm in no rush to get one. >The PS2 doesn't have the LCD / LED or >whatever they're using now ;) display, and you'll need to buy a specific >remote control and receiver if you need remote control. If it's just DVD you >want, my advice is get a stand alone unit, though if you want the ability to >play games on a console then the PS2 is the way to go. Yes, that would be the idea. >However, if you want a DVD player for the PC so you can watch movies and use >DVD ROM (which is slightly uncommon at the moment) then you have no choice >but to get a PC DVD reader and possibly a card that supports it, my PC DVD >runs ok for my needs in software mode. It doesn't remotely compare to my >home DVD player through a largish TV and Dolby Digital sound though <G> That's an idea, but I don't think I realy want to watch movies on my PC.

Just as a note for folks here in this thread... I have a DVD player for my TV and I had no idea why I would want one for my PC. The fact that the drives were expensive and required decoder cards, etc, made it even more senseless. I was poking around the 3Dfx site and saw that the VooDoo3/3000 (which I have) has rudimentary DVD support. I read the 3dfx NG a little and found people having success using the vid card with DVD drives. I went on Ebay and bought a brand new Sony DVD drive for 60$. There's another of the same drive there right now for only 20$. I popped it in the computer and plopped a DVD in the tray. It works perfectly, even full screen, without dropped frames or anything. That was with a P2/450. My current CPU, a C2/566@876 does a great job, too. I am using "WinDVD" as the software player. The newest version is 29.95 from intervideo.com. I was unaware that I could get DVD on my computer by really doing nothing more than buying a DVD drive. It was cheap and works great. And I still have no idea why I need it. ~daxe

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> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:56:55 -0000, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> thus > spoke: > > >A stand alone DVD player is about half the price of a PS2 and performs at > >least as well, probably better. > > I said in my post, "when the price comes down". I'm in no rush to get > one. >

My reply was really aimed at the original poster, but I didn't get it on my news server so responded from your post, sorry for the misunderstanding.. Anyway, the DVD standalone players seem to be falling rapidly in price, they'll be free soon <G> > >The PS2 doesn't have the LCD / LED or > >whatever they're using now ;) display, and you'll need to buy a specific > >remote control and receiver if you need remote control. If it's just DVDyou > >want, my advice is get a stand alone unit, though if you want the abilityto > >play games on a console then the PS2 is the way to go. > > Yes, that would be the idea. Glad we agree on something ;) > > >However, if you want a DVD player for the PC so you can watch movies anduse > >DVD ROM (which is slightly uncommon at the moment) then you have nochoice > >but to get a PC DVD reader and possibly a card that supports it, my PCDVD > >runs ok for my needs in software mode. It doesn't remotely compare to my > >home DVD player through a largish TV and Dolby Digital sound though <G> > > That's an idea, but I don't think I realy want to watch movies on my > PC. Nor me ( wow, I agreed again), but with a TV output, as many cards have now, it could be used to watch movies on a TV Ian P.

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:17:46 -0000, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Nor me ( wow, I agreed again), but with a TV output, as many cards have now, >it could be used to watch movies on a TV > >Ian P. > > With a *very* long cable.

Or a PC close to the TV ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Amp <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:17:46 -0000, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> thus > spoke: > > > >Nor me ( wow, I agreed again), but with a TV output, as many cards have now, > >it could be used to watch movies on a TV > > > >Ian P. > > > > > > With a *very* long cable.

You'll be in the fortunate position of not needing to buy a DVD drive when the next game you really want is only available on DVD <G> -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> daxe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Just as a note for folks here in this thread... > I was unaware that I could get DVD on my computer by really doing > nothing more than buying a DVD drive. It was cheap and works great. > > And I still have no idea why I need it. > > ~daxe