Re: FYI - Game Commander 2.0 is out

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:03:40 -0600, "Jeff Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote: Citing GC press release: >"Now, Game Commander 2 breaks new ground >with lightning fast command response and even more control over your games." I can vouch for this. I've been using GC2.0 for a few weeks now and it's amazing how fast and sharp the voice recognition is. The little pause between giving a command and GC1.0 recognizing it used to mean I wouldn't use it in action games. But GC2.0 is plenty fast for that. I've been using it in Sacrifice, which is very fast paced, and v2.0 has no problem keeping up. -Tom Chick -- ***** ***** ***** www.quartertothree.com ***** ***** *****

(Just a head's up, I'm not affiliated w/them) http://www.gamecommander.com/products/gc2.html $39 for hard copy w/headset mic $29 for Download only version $15 to upgrade from previous version "No more fumbling with hard to remember keystrokes. The original Game Commander, released in 1998, won numerous awards for bringing the power of voice control to games including "Editor's Choice" from PC Gamer, Computer Gaming World, and CNet Gamecenter. Now, Game Commander 2 breaks new ground with lightning fast command response and even more control over your games. You can even run Game Commander 2 concurrently with popular voice chat programs such as TeamSoundTM, Roger WilcoTM, and BattleComTM. And it works as hard as it plays. Take command of Windows� 95, 98, Millennium, and 2000 applications too."

Er its been out for about a month already..I upgraded from Game Commander MX and I'm very happy with it, speech rocognition is almost instantaneous, I have several sims and half a dozen FPS games setup to use it. Revvin "Jeff Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90bdin$tol$[email hidden]...

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> (Just a head's up, I'm not affiliated w/them) > > http://www.gamecommander.com/products/gc2.html > > $39 for hard copy w/headset mic > $29 for Download only version > $15 to upgrade from previous version > > > "No more fumbling with hard to remember keystrokes. The original Game > Commander, released in 1998, won numerous awards for bringing the power of > voice control to games including "Editor's Choice" from PC Gamer, Computer > Gaming World, and CNet Gamecenter. Now, Game Commander 2 breaks new ground > with lightning fast command response and even more control over your

games. > You can even run Game Commander 2 concurrently with popular voice chat > programs such as TeamSoundTM, Roger WilcoTM, and BattleComTM. And it works > as hard as it plays. Take command of Windows� 95, 98, Millennium, and 2000 > applications too." > >

On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 09:23:55 GMT, "The Biggest and Baddest" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I'm finding it is way to sensitive to background noice and trying to find a >command for it. With GC1 I could play SWAT3 with it no problem, but now that >I have upgraded it is way to sensitive. Even with the mic volume all the way >down to where it just reconizes my voice, it keeps getting arrent commands, >usually causing my men to run into a room I don't want.(in flight sims it is >no problem though) Part of the problem is the speed of the voice rec, >because in SWAT3 your alter ego verballizes the commands as you enter them, >thus setting of the key strokes again! with the pause in GC1 this happenned >during the pause, wierd huh?

Colinman, This is definitely a problem with your microphone setup. Check your setup to make sure you don't have it boosted, which is usually the default. I have my recording level down *way* low for GC2.0, partly to make sure it doesn't pick up commands from the game or music I'm listening to or whatever. Also, be careful about programing orders that sound alike and try to stay clear of sharp one syllable commands (such as "go"). Once I got my mic set up properly, I've found GC2.0 to be very good at discriminating specific commands. -Tom Chick -- ***** ***** ***** www.quartertothree.com ***** ***** *****

I'm finding it is way to sensitive to background noice and trying to find a command for it. With GC1 I could play SWAT3 with it no problem, but now that I have upgraded it is way to sensitive. Even with the mic volume all the way down to where it just reconizes my voice, it keeps getting arrent commands, usually causing my men to run into a room I don't want.(in flight sims it is no problem though) Part of the problem is the speed of the voice rec, because in SWAT3 your alter ego verballizes the commands as you enter them, thus setting of the key strokes again! with the pause in GC1 this happenned during the pause, wierd huh? COLINMAN "Tom Chick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:03:40 -0600, "Jeff Jones" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Citing GC press release: > >"Now, Game Commander 2 breaks new ground > >with lightning fast command response and even more control over yourgames."

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> > I can vouch for this. I've been using GC2.0 for a few weeks now and > it's amazing how fast and sharp the voice recognition is. The little > pause between giving a command and GC1.0 recognizing it used to mean I > wouldn't use it in action games. But GC2.0 is plenty fast for that. > I've been using it in Sacrifice, which is very fast paced, and v2.0 > has no problem keeping up. > > -Tom Chick > > -- > ***** ***** > ***** www.quartertothree.com ***** > ***** *****

Also you may want to check out a 'noise cancelling' microphone. They run about 15 to 85 dollars in a headset combo depending on quality.. the high end are for actually civilian pilots.... dave henrie "Tom Chick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >

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> This is definitely a problem with your microphone setup. Check your > setup to make sure you don't have it boosted, which is usually the > default. I have my recording level down *way* low for GC2.0, partly > to make sure it doesn't pick up commands from the game or music I'm > listening to or whatever. > > Also, be careful about programing orders that sound alike and try to > stay clear of sharp one syllable commands (such as "go"). Once I got > my mic set up properly, I've found GC2.0 to be very good at > discriminating specific commands. > > -Tom Chick > > -- > ***** ***** > ***** www.quartertothree.com ***** > ***** *****

Bah excuse my cross posted reply to this damned cross poster my cross posting will end with this crossed post :-) Revvin P.S Try reading that fast :-) "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R2uW5.109690$[email hidden]...

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> Also you may want to check out a 'noise cancelling' microphone. They > run about 15 to 85 dollars in a headset combo depending on quality.. > the high end are for actually civilian pilots.... > dave henrie > "Tom Chick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > This is definitely a problem with your microphone setup. Check your > > setup to make sure you don't have it boosted, which is usually the > > default. I have my recording level down *way* low for GC2.0, partly > > to make sure it doesn't pick up commands from the game or music I'm > > listening to or whatever. > > > > Also, be careful about programing orders that sound alike and try to > > stay clear of sharp one syllable commands (such as "go"). Once I got > > my mic set up properly, I've found GC2.0 to be very good at > > discriminating specific commands. > > > > -Tom Chick > > > > -- > > ***** ***** > > ***** www.quartertothree.com ***** > > ***** ***** >

On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 22:08:12 -0600, Sim Pilot <[email hidden]> wrote: >For some reason, I just find talking to my computer WAY too geeky. >Hell, my wife and kids snicker behind my back about my force feedback >joystick and wheel already... A FF stick and wheel? C'mon, you've come this far! Why stop now? Actually, voice command software may be geeky, but I gotta say it's *way* more practical than force feedback gear! :) -Tom Chick -- ***** ***** ***** www.quartertothree.com ***** ***** *****

So give it a different command to what the SWAT member echoes. --------- Devo The Biggest and Baddest <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LioW5.171613$[email hidden]... > I'm finding it is way to sensitive to background noice and trying to finda > command for it. With GC1 I could play SWAT3 with it no problem, but nowthat > I have upgraded it is way to sensitive. Even with the mic volume all theway > down to where it just reconizes my voice, it keeps getting arrentcommands, > usually causing my men to run into a room I don't want.(in flight sims itis > no problem though) Part of the problem is the speed of the voice rec, > because in SWAT3 your alter ego verballizes the commands as you enterthem, > thus setting of the key strokes again! with the pause in GC1 thishappenned

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> during the pause, wierd huh? > > COLINMAN > "Tom Chick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:03:40 -0600, "Jeff Jones" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > Citing GC press release: > > >"Now, Game Commander 2 breaks new ground > > >with lightning fast command response and even more control over your > games." > > > > I can vouch for this. I've been using GC2.0 for a few weeks now and > > it's amazing how fast and sharp the voice recognition is. The little > > pause between giving a command and GC1.0 recognizing it used to mean I > > wouldn't use it in action games. But GC2.0 is plenty fast for that. > > I've been using it in Sacrifice, which is very fast paced, and v2.0 > > has no problem keeping up. > > > > -Tom Chick > > > > -- > > ***** ***** > > ***** www.quartertothree.com ***** > > ***** ***** > >

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> On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:37:59 GMT, [email hidden] thus spoke: > > >I loved Game Commander on my old K6-2 system, but I can't get it to > >work with my new Duron system and the on-board sound card that came > >with the motherboard. > > > >:-( > > Disable that onboard soundcard and buy a SB Live! Value. They are > pretty cheap.

Why? Why, why, why? The sound card on my motherboard works just fine, and I ALWAYS play games with headphones, so the sound quality is just FINE with me. There's no excuse for things like Game Commander and NASCAR4 having problems with a sound card that works just FINE with everything else. As I've said elsewhere, this doesn't seem like MY problem, and I'm perfectly happy spending my money on something else that WILL work with my system AND give me additional capabilities that I don't already have (like a USB Saitek game pad -- did I mention that I ALREADY have an on-board sound card? If not, I do, so I DON'T NEED to spend $50 on a new sound card). ;-) -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Thanks -- WILL DO! I wasn't complaining, per se -- just making a comment. When it works, the Game Commander is GREAT! -- JB In article <90jh09$kfb$[email hidden]>, Game Commander Support <[email hidden]> wrote: > What kind of audio is on that motherboard? If you fill out the support > request form at the URL below, it'll give us a better idea of yoursystem

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> setup. > > -- > Game Commander Tech Support > www.gamecommander.com/support > > Award-winning voice control for games & simulations > "Editor's Choice", PC Gamer > "Editor's Choice", Computer Gaming World > "Editor's Choice", CNET Gamecenter > "4-1/2 Stars", ZDNET GameSpot > > In article <90ir3n$jq$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] wrote: > > I loved Game Commander on my old K6-2 system, but I can't get it to > > work with my new Duron system and the on-board sound card that came > > with the motherboard. > > > > :-( > > > > -- JB > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >

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I reiterate: I ALWAYS use headphones, and I'm PERFECTLY pleased with the sound quality; the on-board sound works just FINE with everything except N4 and the Game Commander software. Again, if I'm happy with it, it doesn't seem like I'm the one with the problem -- but it may be a problem for folks like Papy, in terms of lost sales. -- JB In article <SWdX5.14985$[email hidden]>, "Devo" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Disable that shit and buy a decent card man! > > --------- > Devo > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:90ir3n$jq$[email hidden]...

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> > I loved Game Commander on my old K6-2 system, but I can't get it to > > work with my new Duron system and the on-board sound card that came > > with the motherboard. > > > > :-( > > > > -- JB > > > > In article <90bdin$tol$[email hidden]>, > > "Jeff Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > (Just a head's up, I'm not affiliated w/them) > > > > > > http://www.gamecommander.com/products/gc2.html > > > > > > $39 for hard copy w/headset mic > > > $29 for Download only version > > > $15 to upgrade from previous version > > > > > > "No more fumbling with hard to remember keystrokes. The original

Game > > > Commander, released in 1998, won numerous awards for bringing the > > power of > > > voice control to games including "Editor's Choice" from PC Gamer, > > Computer > > > Gaming World, and CNet Gamecenter. Now, Game Commander 2 breaksnew > > ground > > > with lightning fast command response and even more control overyour > > games. > > > You can even run Game Commander 2 concurrently with popular voicechat > > > programs such as TeamSoundTM, Roger WilcoTM, and BattleComTM. Andit > > works > > > as hard as it plays. Take command of Windows� 95, 98, Millennium,and

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> > 2000 > > > applications too." > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

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What kind of audio is on that motherboard? If you fill out the support request form at the URL below, it'll give us a better idea of your system setup. -- Game Commander Tech Support www.gamecommander.com/support Award-winning voice control for games & simulations "Editor's Choice", PC Gamer "Editor's Choice", Computer Gaming World "Editor's Choice", CNET Gamecenter "4-1/2 Stars", ZDNET GameSpot In article <90ir3n$jq$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote: > I loved Game Commander on my old K6-2 system, but I can't get it to > work with my new Duron system and the on-board sound card that came > with the motherboard. > > :-( > > -- JB > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I loved Game Commander on my old K6-2 system, but I can't get it to work with my new Duron system and the on-board sound card that came with the motherboard. :-( -- JB In article <90bdin$tol$[email hidden]>, "Jeff Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> (Just a head's up, I'm not affiliated w/them) > > http://www.gamecommander.com/products/gc2.html > > $39 for hard copy w/headset mic > $29 for Download only version > $15 to upgrade from previous version > > "No more fumbling with hard to remember keystrokes. The original Game > Commander, released in 1998, won numerous awards for bringing the

power of > voice control to games including "Editor's Choice" from PC Gamer,Computer > Gaming World, and CNet Gamecenter. Now, Game Commander 2 breaks newground > with lightning fast command response and even more control over yourgames. > You can even run Game Commander 2 concurrently with popular voice chat > programs such as TeamSoundTM, Roger WilcoTM, and BattleComTM. And itworks > as hard as it plays. Take command of Windows� 95, 98, Millennium, and2000 > applications too." > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

For some reason, I just find talking to my computer WAY too geeky. Hell, my wife and kids snicker behind my back about my force feedback joystick and wheel already... Sim Pilot

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>>I'm finding it is way to sensitive to background noice and trying to find a >>command for it. With GC1 I could play SWAT3 with it no problem, but now that >>I have upgraded it is way to sensitive. Even with the mic volume all the way >>down to where it just reconizes my voice, it keeps getting arrent commands, >>usually causing my men to run into a room I don't want.(in flight sims it is >>no problem though) Part of the problem is the speed of the voice rec, >>because in SWAT3 your alter ego verballizes the commands as you enter them, >>thus setting of the key strokes again! with the pause in GC1 this happenned >>during the pause, wierd huh? > >Colinman, > >This is definitely a problem with your microphone setup. Check your >setup to make sure you don't have it boosted, which is usually the >default. I have my recording level down *way* low for GC2.0, partly >to make sure it doesn't pick up commands from the game or music I'm >listening to or whatever. > >Also, be careful about programing orders that sound alike and try to >stay clear of sharp one syllable commands (such as "go"). Once I got >my mic set up properly, I've found GC2.0 to be very good at >discriminating specific commands. > > -Tom Chick

On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 20:36:12 -0800, Tom Chick <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 22:08:12 -0600, Sim Pilot <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>For some reason, I just find talking to my computer WAY too geeky. >>Hell, my wife and kids snicker behind my back about my force feedback >>joystick and wheel already... > >A FF stick and wheel? C'mon, you've come this far! Why stop now? > >Actually, voice command software may be geeky, but I gotta say it's >*way* more practical than force feedback gear! :) > > -Tom Chick

I don't know. I just got Carmageddon 3 and with FF, it's a real hoot! Crimson Skies and NFS Porsche Unleashed are excellent as well! Sim Pilot

On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:37:59 GMT, [email hidden] thus spoke: >I loved Game Commander on my old K6-2 system, but I can't get it to >work with my new Duron system and the on-board sound card that came >with the motherboard. > >:-( Disable that onboard soundcard and buy a SB Live! Value. They are pretty cheap.

After reading all the followups to your situation, here's a summary from our experience: 1. On-board sound is usually low cost. Even if it supports full duplex audio, it may not be the highest quality. As someone posted, it's good enough for general use, but we're talking about serious stuff here. 2. Older sound cards can also be a problem because they can be noisy during full duplex operation or not support true full duplex. We've had many customers get vastly improved recognition by upgrading to a Live! card. Note: The Aureal-based cards are good too but, alas, they're gone. 3. I don't know of any on-board sound solutions that are dependent on the CPU but I'm sure there are some. Nevertheless, #1 and #2 are the most compelling reasons to use a quality board. Hope that helps. -- Game Commander Tech Support www.gamecommander.com/support Award-winning voice control for games & simulations "Editor's Choice", PC Gamer "Editor's Choice", Computer Gaming World "Editor's Choice", CNET Gamecenter "4-1/2 Stars", ZDNET GameSpot In article <90jvbh$1go$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote: > Thanks -- WILL DO! I wasn't complaining, per se -- just making a > comment. When it works, the Game Commander is GREAT! > > -- JB > > In article <90jh09$kfb$[email hidden]>, > Game Commander Support <[email hidden]> wrote: > > What kind of audio is on that motherboard? If you fill out the support > > request form at the URL below, it'll give us a better idea of your > system > > setup. > > > > -- > > Game Commander Tech Support > > www.gamecommander.com/support > > > > Award-winning voice control for games & simulations > > "Editor's Choice", PC Gamer > > "Editor's Choice", Computer Gaming World > > "Editor's Choice", CNET Gamecenter > > "4-1/2 Stars", ZDNET GameSpot > > > > In article <90ir3n$jq$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] wrote: > > > I loved Game Commander on my old K6-2 system, but I can't get it to > > > work with my new Duron system and the on-board sound card that came > > > with the motherboard. > > > > > > :-( > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <90jvf8$1i8$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote: > I reiterate: Snip Too much iteration !!! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Because your onboard sound "probably" can't do full duplex. That is whats needed for most voice comm programs to work. AND....if the sound is like soft modems, you are needlessly wasting cpu cycles to run that onboard pos. Sure it works fine, for most things, but it's obviously NOT doing a complete job. For years I have made it a strong rule to avoid ANY MB with Onboard sound and/or video. It may be cheaper, but it's stealing from your system's overall horsepower. dave henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90jv9o$195$[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > noemail wrote: > > On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:37:59 GMT, [email hidden] thus spoke: > > > > >I loved Game Commander on my old K6-2 system, but I can't get it to > > >work with my new Duron system and the on-board sound card that came > > >with the motherboard. > > > > > >:-( > > > > Disable that onboard soundcard and buy a SB Live! Value. They are > > pretty cheap. > > Why? Why, why, why? The sound card on my motherboard works just fine, > and I ALWAYS play games with headphones, so the sound quality is just > FINE with me. There's no excuse for things like Game Commander and > NASCAR4 having problems with a sound card that works just FINE with > everything else. As I've said elsewhere, this doesn't seem like MY > problem, and I'm perfectly happy spending my money on something else > that WILL work with my system AND give me additional capabilities that > I don't already have (like a USB Saitek game pad -- did I mention that > I ALREADY have an on-board sound card? If not, I do, so I DON'T NEED > to spend $50 on a new sound card). > > ;-) > > -- JB > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Okay, Dave -- the CPU usage is the most compelling thing I've heard so far. I avoid on-board video because it's usually useless at best, but not being a sound afficionado, I never considered this aspect. I was under the impression that the sound was a built-in chipset, and, therefore, wouldn't load the CPU any worse than any PCI sound card, but that may be a misconception on my part. I'm 99% sure that my motherboard supports full-duplex sound -- my board is a new top-o-the- line MSI K7T Pro2 Socket A board, but I'll double-check on the half- duplex/full-duplex issue. Thanks for giving me some food for thought -- it's the best argument I've heard yet. -- JB In article <LEfX5.117133$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Because your onboard sound "probably" can't do full duplex. Thatis > whats needed for most voice comm programs to work. AND....if thesound is > like > soft modems, you are needlessly wasting cpu cycles to run thatonboard pos. > Sure it works fine, for most things, but it's obviously NOT doing acomplete > job. For years I have made it a strong rule to avoid ANY MB with > Onboard sound and/or video. It may be cheaper, but it's stealingfrom your > system's overall horsepower. > dave henrie > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90jv9o$195$[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > noemail wrote: > > > On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:37:59 GMT, [email hidden] thus spoke: > > > > > > >I loved Game Commander on my old K6-2 system, but I can't get itto > > > >work with my new Duron system and the on-board sound card thatcame

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> > > >with the motherboard. > > > > > > > >:-( > > > > > > Disable that onboard soundcard and buy a SB Live! Value. They are > > > pretty cheap. > > > > Why? Why, why, why? The sound card on my motherboard works just

fine, > > and I ALWAYS play games with headphones, so the sound quality isjust > > FINE with me. There's no excuse for things like Game Commander and > > NASCAR4 having problems with a sound card that works just FINE with > > everything else. As I've said elsewhere, this doesn't seem like MY > > problem, and I'm perfectly happy spending my money on something else > > that WILL work with my system AND give me additional capabilitiesthat > > I don't already have (like a USB Saitek game pad -- did I mentionthat > > I ALREADY have an on-board sound card? If not, I do, so I DON'TNEED

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> > to spend $50 on a new sound card). > > > > ;-) > > > > -- JB > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <90k0kh$2ik$[email hidden]>, Don <[email hidden]> wrote: > In article <90jvf8$1i8$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] wrote: > > I reiterate: Snip > > Too much iteration !!! LOL! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:55:39 GMT, [email hidden] thus spoke: >did I mention that >I ALREADY have an on-board sound card? If not, I do, so I DON'T NEED >to spend $50 on a new sound card). > >;-) > Obviously you do. :-)

On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:58:35 GMT, [email hidden] thus spoke: >I reiterate: I ALWAYS use headphones, and I'm PERFECTLY pleased with >the sound quality; the on-board sound works just FINE with everything >except N4 and the Game Commander software. Again, if I'm happy with >it, it doesn't seem like I'm the one with the problem -- but it may be >a problem for folks like Papy, in terms of lost sales. The N4 demo is a pre-alpha demo. It will be fixed in the retail version. Lots of people have the same problem so it's not your soundcard.

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> On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:55:39 GMT, [email hidden] thus spoke: > > >did I mention that > >I ALREADY have an on-board sound card? If not, I do, so I DON'T NEED > >to spend $50 on a new sound card). > > > >;-) > > > > Obviously you do. :-)

How is that Creative Labs stock doing now that Aureal has gone by the wayside, anyway? ;-) -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

get an SB live xgamer 5.1 or whatever the new one is---comes with MDK2, Deus EX, Unreal tournament, and Thief 2--full versions and just $99....

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90jv9o$195$[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > noemail wrote: > Why? Why, why, why? The sound card on my motherboard works just fine, It doesn't work "just fine" if Game Commander won't work with it. It is very well known that onboard soundcards are crap, and you are better off disabling it and getting a real soundcard like the SB Live! > and I ALWAYS play games with headphones, so the sound quality is just > FINE with me. There's no excuse for things like Game Commander and > NASCAR4 having problems with a sound card that works just FINE with Oh you are having problems with Nascar4??? Haha. I'm affraid you need a *REAL* Soundblaster to ensure no problems for you total gaming experience :-) > everything else. As I've said elsewhere, this doesn't seem like MY > problem, and I'm perfectly happy spending my money on something else > that WILL work with my system AND give me additional capabilities that > I don't already have (like a USB Saitek game pad -- did I mention that > I ALREADY have an on-board sound card? If not, I do, so I DON'T NEED > to spend $50 on a new sound card). What kind of soundcard is it? Will it do duplex? Will it do duplex well? I had a SBPCI64 (Ensoniq AudioPCI) which worked fine with everything also. But Game Commander would have slight pauses. Between switching to a SB Live! (I wasn't too proud or stubborn to try something reasonable), and upgrading to GC 2.0 everything is now instantanious. So you can try to convince yourself that you don't need the SB Live! if you want. But some of us know better :-) -- [email hidden] > > ;-) > > -- JB > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90k478$5d2$[email hidden]... > Okay, Dave -- the CPU usage is the most compelling thing I've heard so > far. I avoid on-board video because it's usually useless at best, but > not being a sound afficionado, I never considered this aspect. I was On board soundcard are the same for the serious gamer. For the casual non gaming computer user, on board soundcards are just fine.

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> under the impression that the sound was a built-in chipset, and, > therefore, wouldn't load the CPU any worse than any PCI sound card, but > that may be a misconception on my part. I'm 99% sure that my > motherboard supports full-duplex sound -- my board is a new top-o-the- > line MSI K7T Pro2 Socket A board, but I'll double-check on the half- > duplex/full-duplex issue. > > Thanks for giving me some food for thought -- it's the best argument > I've heard yet.

Just wait until you read mine :-) -- [email hidden]

Disable that shit and buy a decent card man! --------- Devo <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90ir3n$jq$[email hidden]...

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> I loved Game Commander on my old K6-2 system, but I can't get it to > work with my new Duron system and the on-board sound card that came > with the motherboard. > > :-( > > -- JB > > In article <90bdin$tol$[email hidden]>, > "Jeff Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > (Just a head's up, I'm not affiliated w/them) > > > > http://www.gamecommander.com/products/gc2.html > > > > $39 for hard copy w/headset mic > > $29 for Download only version > > $15 to upgrade from previous version > > > > "No more fumbling with hard to remember keystrokes. The original Game > > Commander, released in 1998, won numerous awards for bringing the > power of > > voice control to games including "Editor's Choice" from PC Gamer, > Computer > > Gaming World, and CNet Gamecenter. Now, Game Commander 2 breaks new > ground > > with lightning fast command response and even more control over your > games. > > You can even run Game Commander 2 concurrently with popular voice chat > > programs such as TeamSoundTM, Roger WilcoTM, and BattleComTM. And it > works > > as hard as it plays. Take command of Windows� 95, 98, Millennium, and > 2000 > > applications too." > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Game Commander Support <[email hidden]> wrote in <90md4i$bk$[email hidden]>: >2. Older sound cards can also be a problem because they can be noisy >during full duplex operation or not support true full duplex. We've had >many customers get vastly improved recognition by upgrading to a Live! >card. Note: The Aureal-based cards are good too but, alas, they're gone. > Anyone whos interested, I got an Aureal Vortex 2 card (OEM with digital input) from multiwave (www.mwave.com) when getting parts for a computer I'm making for my in-laws for $29 bucks!!! I know what people will say, driver support in the future may be non-existant, but I have no problems with the current drivers in anything I play. Man, I'm pissed Aureal went under, they were SO MUCH BETTER than creative at 3d sound. (did creative ever come up with a decent 3d sound???) Chuck snip

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> >Hope that helps. > >-- >Game Commander Tech Support >www.gamecommander.com/support > >snip