Re: F12k/CS

Just me, or is there a strong sense of deja vu regarding this message? Jan. =--- Jay J wrote... > You know I'm starting to see this trend more and more, > <snip>

What happens to the poor people that bought F12k now that a patched version of the same season has come out? Are they just saying screw you, buy the new one or are they excepting returns at little or no charge for the new one? Sorry if this was already brought up and i missed it.

F1CS2K is FAR more than a simple "patch," Shaun -- the Driving School mode alone makes it worth the purchase. Then there's the added weather effects, which definitely constitutes more than a mere "patch" to F1 2000. And the improved frame rates. And the enhanced vehicle dynamics. And the updated tracks. And the updated track graphics. It may seem like a bitter pill to swallow, but F1CS2K is a worthwhile purchase even if you already own F1 2000. I don't htink there's any way you could patch F1 2000 enough to get it up to the same level as F1CS2K. -- JB On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:00:17 GMT, Shaun Robinson <[email hidden]> wrote: >What happens to the poor people that bought F12k now that a patched >version of the same season has come out? Are they just saying screw you, >buy the new one or are they excepting returns at little or no charge for >the new one? Sorry if this was already brought up and i missed it.

Kinda like N3/N Legends/Nascar Trucks Expansion Pack /NASCAR Acceleration Pack. It sucks to have bought the first 3 then the last 2 come out and rip you off. Looks like EA Sports took a page from Papy's book... "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> F1CS2K is FAR more than a simple "patch," Shaun -- the Driving School > mode alone makes it worth the purchase. Then there's the added > weather effects, which definitely constitutes more than a mere "patch" > to F1 2000. And the improved frame rates. And the enhanced vehicle > dynamics. And the updated tracks. And the updated track graphics. > > It may seem like a bitter pill to swallow, but F1CS2K is a worthwhile > purchase even if you already own F1 2000. I don't htink there's any > way you could patch F1 2000 enough to get it up to the same level as > F1CS2K. > > -- JB > > On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:00:17 GMT, Shaun Robinson <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >What happens to the poor people that bought F12k now that a patched > >version of the same season has come out? Are they just saying screw you, > >buy the new one or are they excepting returns at little or no charge for > >the new one? Sorry if this was already brought up and i missed it. >

On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:09:23 GMT, [email hidden] (John Bodin) thus spoke:

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>F1CS2K is FAR more than a simple "patch," Shaun -- the Driving School >mode alone makes it worth the purchase. Then there's the added >weather effects, which definitely constitutes more than a mere "patch" >to F1 2000. And the improved frame rates. And the enhanced vehicle >dynamics. And the updated tracks. And the updated track graphics. > >It may seem like a bitter pill to swallow, but F1CS2K is a worthwhile >purchase even if you already own F1 2000. I don't htink there's any >way you could patch F1 2000 enough to get it up to the same level as >F1CS2K.

F1CD2K is the game we should have got in the first place. EA could have gone a long way to making customers feel good by offering a discount to current owners. Microsoft do that with both their FS and CFS seies.

You know I'm starting to see this trend more and more, and it worries me.... Game makers rush their product to market in time for Christmas or whatever, often full of bugs and/or incomplete, then.... Rather than patching it properly, they re-release the product as a "2001" version!!! So if you want weather effects, or in-car cameras, or whatever that should have been included in the initial release you have to buy it again! Edios is notorious for this with their Tomb Raider and Thief series, coming out with a "Gold" version a few months to a year later, which is just the original game with a few extra levels, and/or support for 3D sound, or some new wizbang graphics card. They usually they offer a small refund however, like $10 off if you were a sucker enough to buy the first game when it initially came out and still have your proof of purchase, so that takes some of the sting out, but now were seeing EA's F1-2001 CS and Ford Racing 2001, and we've all heard there will be a GP4 around the corner with a lot of the elements we expected to see in GP3 but didn't get (hopefully they'll include Indianapolis!), I've also seen/heard that EA is releasing a Nascar 2001 game too! Let's hope this doesn't become the rule rather than the exception! Jay J "Amp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:09:23 GMT, [email hidden] (John Bodin) thus > spoke: > > >F1CS2K is FAR more than a simple "patch," Shaun -- the Driving School > >mode alone makes it worth the purchase. Then there's the added > >weather effects, which definitely constitutes more than a mere "patch" > >to F1 2000. And the improved frame rates. And the enhanced vehicle > >dynamics. And the updated tracks. And the updated track graphics. > > > >It may seem like a bitter pill to swallow, but F1CS2K is a worthwhile > >purchase even if you already own F1 2000. I don't htink there's any > >way you could patch F1 2000 enough to get it up to the same level as > >F1CS2K. > > F1CD2K is the game we should have got in the first place. EA could > have gone a long way to making customers feel good by offering a > discount to current owners. Microsoft do that with both their FS and > CFS seies.

"Regular Racer" wrote : > Kinda like N3/N Legends/Nascar Trucks Expansion Pack /NASCAR Acceleration > Pack. > It sucks to have bought the first 3 then the last 2 come out and > rip you off. Looks like EA Sports took a page from Papy's book... > Personally I prefer the ongoing development approach. It has to be funded somehow and it means we get regular updates, rather than waiting years and years. Plus the immediate problems are more likely to get fixed in the short term. I was quite happy to buy the Indycar and Nacsar expansion packs. This way I got the game early (as I viewed it) and the other tracks were made available when they were complete. Plus each expansion pack provided some new features. If GPL had been released without the Nurburgring, would we have argued at the value of purchasing an expansion track pack, bearing in mind the amount of work involved in that one track. For sure I would have welcomed add on tracks and car packs. How many times have we bought shiny new titles to get a fix of something new, only to consign them to the shelves to return to the trusty favourites. Each release doesn't have to be a whole new programming exercise from scratch. I would rather have regular updates. Cheers Tony

>"Shaun Robinson" <[email hidden]> wrote > What happens to the poor people that bought F12k now that a patched > version of the same season has come out? Are they just saying screw you, > buy the new one or are they excepting returns at little or no charge for > the new one? Sorry if this was already brought up and i missed it. Same as the "poor people" who bought F1RS and wondered why they didn't much support until MGPRS2 was released not even a year after. Bah, don't buy F1CS, get a copy of MBTR ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

>"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > Just me, or is there a strong sense of deja vu regarding this message? Your not the only one ;) (who remembers the same comment about TR a couple of days ago) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

I guess that's a good idea too :) ymenard wrote:

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> > >"Shaun Robinson" <[email hidden]> wrote > > What happens to the poor people that bought F12k now that a patched > > version of the same season has come out? Are they just saying screw you, > > buy the new one or are they excepting returns at little or no charge for > > the new one? Sorry if this was already brought up and i missed it. > > Same as the "poor people" who bought F1RS and wondered why they didn't much > support until MGPRS2 was released not even a year after. > > Bah, don't buy F1CS, get a copy of MBTR ;-) > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 20:41:04 GMT, "Jay J" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Let's hope this doesn't become the rule rather than the exception! > >Jay J It will become the rule. And I don't have a problem with that because I like to see good games get improved. I just think they should offer a discount to long time supporters. Follow the Microsoft lead.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote:

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> On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 06:02:45 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > > > >Isn't that what Infogrames is doing (i.e., buying up all their > >competitors)? > > I read they're going to buy Hasbro Interactive: > http://www.gamesdomain.com/news/3743.html

Yeah -- they're too busy buying up other companies now to even bother with things like the Indianapolis 500 / Indy Racing League license that the obtained when they acquired GT Interactive. >:-[ Then again, with Hasbro under their wing, maybe they'd begin to focus a bit more on sims -- Hasbro seems to have abandoned this area, so maybe the shift to Infogrames would be a good one. -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Yes, sorry folks it was a repost... The original message was buried at the bottom of a thread which I responded to last week which I didn't think anyone saw. Just wanted to get those thoughts out in the open again... Jay J "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W8zW5.23801$[email hidden]...

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> >"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Just me, or is there a strong sense of deja vu regarding this message? > > Your not the only one ;) > > (who remembers the same comment about TR a couple of days ago) > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

>"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote > Yes, sorry folks it was a repost... The original message was buried at the > bottom of a thread which I responded to last week which I didn't think > anyone saw. No problem, I just went "Hey.... haven't I read this somewhere?". It's quite normal for people to bring back opinions if they feel they haven't been heard or taking in context correctly, but they should be reformulated. If it didn't do anything the first time, you need to change it. I know that for a fact <g> :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Lesson learned.... It's just that I'd gladly buy F1CS2K if they offered a rebate but as is... I'll probably wait a few months until the price drops to the $20 level or ask for it for Christmas and let someone else cover the tab ;-) JJ "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dzCW5.25204$[email hidden]... > >"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Yes, sorry folks it was a repost... The original message was buried atthe

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> > bottom of a thread which I responded to last week which I didn't think > > anyone saw. > > > No problem, I just went "Hey.... haven't I read this somewhere?". It's > quite normal for people to bring back opinions if they feel they haven't > been heard or taking in context correctly, but they should be

reformulated. > If it didn't do anything the first time, you need to change it. I knowthat

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> for a fact <g> :) > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

Does EA pay well John? :;) In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (John Bodin) wrote:

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> F1CS2K is FAR more than a simple "patch," Shaun -- the Driving School > mode alone makes it worth the purchase. Then there's the added > weather effects, which definitely constitutes more than a mere "patch" > to F1 2000. And the improved frame rates. And the enhanced vehicle > dynamics. And the updated tracks. And the updated track graphics. > > It may seem like a bitter pill to swallow, but F1CS2K is a worthwhile > purchase even if you already own F1 2000. I don't htink there's any > way you could patch F1 2000 enough to get it up to the same level as > F1CS2K. > > -- JB > > On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:00:17 GMT, Shaun Robinson <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >What happens to the poor people that bought F12k now that a patched > >version of the same season has come out? Are they just saying screw

you, > >buy the new one or are they excepting returns at little or no chargefor > >the new one? Sorry if this was already brought up and i missed it. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%OCW5.279253$[email hidden]...

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> Lesson learned.... > > It's just that I'd gladly buy F1CS2K if they offered a rebate but as is... > I'll probably wait a few months until the price drops to the $20 level or > ask for it for Christmas and let someone else cover the tab ;-) > > JJ

Thanks to John Bodin's heads up, I just ordered F1cs2k.5 from EA for $19 plus shipping. Pepsi has yellow capped bottles that can add up to a $20 savings coupon. Of course if you don't like pepsi.... dave henrie

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%OCW5.279253$[email hidden]... > Lesson learned.... > > It's just that I'd gladly buy F1CS2K if they offered a rebate but as is... > I'll probably wait a few months until the price drops to the $20 level or > ask for it for Christmas and let someone else cover the tab ;-) Does anyone know what plans EA might have for the 2001 season? Since I already have F12K, I'd hate to pick up F12KCS only to find that F1 2001 is to be released next March or something.

Good gawd, how would I know? I can't even get anybody at EA to return my e-mails, let alone send me money! [Note: If you're with EA, my e-mail address is -- john.bodin@games- advertising.com] -- JB In article <90evrf$f5$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote: > Does EA pay well John? :;) > > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (John Bodin) wrote: > > F1CS2K is FAR more than a simple "patch," Shaun -- the DrivingSchool > > mode alone makes it worth the purchase. Then there's the added > > weather effects, which definitely constitutes more than amere "patch" > > to F1 2000. And the improved frame rates. And the enhanced vehicle > > dynamics. And the updated tracks. And the updated track graphics. > > > > It may seem like a bitter pill to swallow, but F1CS2K is aworthwhile

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> > purchase even if you already own F1 2000. I don't htink there's any > > way you could patch F1 2000 enough to get it up to the same level as > > F1CS2K. > > > > -- JB > > > > On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:00:17 GMT, Shaun Robinson

<[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >What happens to the poor people that bought F12k now that a patched > > >version of the same season has come out? Are they just saying screw > you, > > >buy the new one or are they excepting returns at little or nocharge

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> for > > >the new one? Sorry if this was already brought up and i missed it. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I think F1 2001 is slated for release towards the middle or end of the 2001 F1 season (not sure of the exact timeframe). The good news is that it should be a new, ground-up sim, and not an evolution of the SCGT engine (which is what we have with F12K and F1CS2K). I'd say that F1CS2K has the longevity at this point to make it a worthwhile purchase. -- JB In article <90f0q5$ss6$[email hidden]>, "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%OCW5.279253$[email hidden]... > > Lesson learned.... > > > > It's just that I'd gladly buy F1CS2K if they offered a rebate butas is... > > I'll probably wait a few months until the price drops to the $20level or > > ask for it for Christmas and let someone else cover the tab ;-) > > Does anyone know what plans EA might have for the 2001 season? SinceI > already have F12K, I'd hate to pick up F12KCS only to find that F12001 is > to be released next March or something. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I think F1 2001 is slated for release towards the middle or end of the 2001 F1 season (not sure of the exact timeframe). The good news is that it should be a new, ground-up sim, and not an evolution of the SCGT engine (which is what we have with F12K and F1CS2K). I'd say that F1CS2K has the longevity at this point to make it a worthwhile purchase. -- JB In article <90f0q5$ss6$[email hidden]>, "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%OCW5.279253$[email hidden]... > > Lesson learned.... > > > > It's just that I'd gladly buy F1CS2K if they offered a rebate butas is... > > I'll probably wait a few months until the price drops to the $20level or > > ask for it for Christmas and let someone else cover the tab ;-) > > Does anyone know what plans EA might have for the 2001 season? SinceI > already have F12K, I'd hate to pick up F12KCS only to find that F12001 is > to be released next March or something. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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> On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 20:41:04 GMT, "Jay J" <[email hidden]> > thus spoke: > > >Let's hope this doesn't become the rule rather than the exception! > > > >Jay J > > It will become the rule. And I don't have a problem with that because > I like to see good games get improved. I just think they should offer > a discount to long time supporters. Follow the Microsoft lead.

Isn't that what Infogrames is doing (i.e., buying up all their competitors)? -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 06:02:45 GMT, [email hidden] thus spoke: >Isn't that what Infogrames is doing (i.e., buying up all their >competitors)? I'm talking about rebates and not market share.

On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 06:02:45 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > >Isn't that what Infogrames is doing (i.e., buying up all their >competitors)? I read they're going to buy Hasbro Interactive: http://www.gamesdomain.com/news/3743.html Andre > >-- JB > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.