Re: F1CS2000 - yawn

In article <3a308e40$[email hidden]>, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> > Bland graphics. Part of the speed increase must come from loweringthe > level of detail at the tracks. I have imported a few F1-2000 tracksinto > SCGT, and while they were not exactly beautiful, they had more detailthan > the current tracks. Also, even with the view and detail sliders totheir > maximum, the distant grandstands are murky grey boxes with a few dotsof > colour, with spectators gradually filling in as you approach. Theroad is a > fuzzy, dark texture which seems to ooze under your car. Whateverhappened > to the promise of bump-mapping which was so hyped when Spirit ofSpeed came > out? The distant horizons, even in the previous version, are nothingto > write home about. GP3 gives us pixellated, but colourful tirebarriers. > F1CS shows me blurry, low detail textures (yes, I had high qualitytextures > switched on). The banners on the side of the track are also blurry,whereas > the GP3 banners are sharp, with just enough filtering to take theedge off > the pixels. The horizon in GP3 beats the pants off F1CS, despite the > pixels. Everything in this game is hopelessly over-filtered.Superbike > 2001 looks gorgeous on my computer. F1CS looks like I am watchingthe world > through vaseline smeared glasses. What are your system specs, and what is your "SystemRating" parameter set to in the game's config.ini file? My guess is you're playing with a rating of "1" or "2" from the sound of things (blurry graphics, etc.). > The other car shapes are pleasant and shiny. I still think thecurves of > the GP3 cars are better, but one can quickly grow to like the highgloss > sheen of the F1CS cars. It is a bit irritating when the cars switchto > lower poly versions and the wheels become square-edged, but it'sbetter than > a 2D sprite. The cockpit is uninspired, with a wheel which lookslike some There is a fix for the detail pop-up on the cars, I believe -- I think you can get it from the Blackhole Motorsports F1 2000 area. > 5-year old's idea of what a Tie-fighter should have. The tireindicators > are silly. I should get all the feedback I need from the way the caris > handling. The cockpit moves for braking and accelerating, but itwould > have been nice to have more lateral effects. Somehow I have gottenused to > the GP3 version of a virtual cockpit, where the cockpit often movesand the > horizon remains horizontal. When I ride the train to work and weround a > steeply banked corner, my mind tells me that the train car is bankedand the > horizon is level, no matter how I tilt my head. I think the GP3version is > spot on. I'm also warming to the head panning found in the Lankhorsims. The tire sounds in F1CS2K take the place of the lateral cockpit movement in GP3. I do understand what you're talking about, because, similarly, I can't properly gauge my braking in GP3, in fact, without the fore/aft cockpit movement that's present in F1CS2K (and GPL, and ICR2, and NASCAR Heat, and . . .) Otherwise, with your graphics problems and such, I'd say you're playing on a Celeron 450 or K6-2 500 system or such -- am I correct? -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Stephen, do you EVER care about being politically correct? :-) > > JoH Was it my support of GP3 which is not correct? Or was it the use of the generally unacceptable phrase "Spirit of Speed". No, I guess it was probably the "pixellated little-person" comment. I can only try to excuse myself by noting that I wrote the message on the train at 6:30 am, I have recently seen Austin Powers 2 yet again, and old habits die hard in language when you're over a certain age. Sincerely. Stephen

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> > Was it my support of GP3 which is not correct? Or was it the use of the > generally unacceptable phrase "Spirit of Speed". No, I guess it was > probably the "pixellated little-person" comment. I can only try to excuse > myself by noting that I wrote the message on the train at 6:30 am, I have > recently seen Austin Powers 2 yet again, and old habits die hard in language > when you're over a certain age. Sincerely. > > Stephen

Well, you should have said 'resolution and body size challenged person'... -Gregor

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90qkhm$bg7$[email hidden]... > In article <3a308e40$[email hidden]>, > > What are your system specs, and what is your "SystemRating" parameter > set to in the game's config.ini file? My guess is you're playing with > a rating of "1" or "2" from the sound of things (blurry graphics, etc.). > Aha. Bingo. It's a "3". I manually edited the value in the .ini file just to see what the program is capable of, and there is certainly more there for people with monster systems (sheepish grin). However, the visual performance of almost every other racing game I have thrown at my humble little notebook has put F1CS to shame (Superbike, NFS:PU, GPL, N4, RC2000, GP3, even SCGT running F12000 tracks). > > The tire sounds in F1CS2K take the place of the lateral cockpit > movement in GP3. I do understand what you're talking about, because, > similarly, I can't properly gauge my braking in GP3, in fact, without > the fore/aft cockpit movement that's present in F1CS2K (and GPL, and > ICR2, and NASCAR Heat, and . . .) GP3 gives you cockpit motion under braking. > Otherwise, with your graphics problems and such, I'd say you're playing > on a Celeron 450 or K6-2 500 system or such -- am I correct? > PIII-500, subpar graphics card. S.

Stephen WATCH IT! (JB is a hired employee of EA Sports) <g> "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90qkhm$bg7$[email hidden]... > > In article <3a308e40$[email hidden]>, > > > > What are your system specs, and what is your "SystemRating" parameter > > set to in the game's config.ini file? My guess is you're playing with > > a rating of "1" or "2" from the sound of things (blurry graphics, etc.). > > > > Aha. Bingo. It's a "3". I manually edited the value in the .ini file

just > to see what the program is capable of, and there is certainly more therefor

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> people with monster systems (sheepish grin). However, the visual > performance of almost every other racing game I have thrown at my humble > little notebook has put F1CS to shame (Superbike, NFS:PU, GPL, N4, RC2000, > GP3, even SCGT running F12000 tracks). > > > > > The tire sounds in F1CS2K take the place of the lateral cockpit > > movement in GP3. I do understand what you're talking about, because, > > similarly, I can't properly gauge my braking in GP3, in fact, without > > the fore/aft cockpit movement that's present in F1CS2K (and GPL, and > > ICR2, and NASCAR Heat, and . . .) > > GP3 gives you cockpit motion under braking. > > > Otherwise, with your graphics problems and such, I'd say you're playing > > on a Celeron 450 or K6-2 500 system or such -- am I correct? > > > > PIII-500, subpar graphics card. > > S. > > >

Thanks for the reply, Steve -- I assure you that F1CS2000 looks and performs MUCH better with a little more horsepower. In article <[email hidden]>, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90qkhm$bg7$[email hidden]... > > In article <3a308e40$[email hidden]>, > > > > What are your system specs, and what is your "SystemRating"parameter > > set to in the game's config.ini file? My guess is you're playingwith > > a rating of "1" or "2" from the sound of things (blurry graphics,etc.). > > > > Aha. Bingo. It's a "3". I manually edited the value in the .inifile just > to see what the program is capable of, and there is certainly morethere for > people with monster systems (sheepish grin). However, the visual > performance of almost every other racing game I have thrown at myhumble > little notebook has put F1CS to shame (Superbike, NFS:PU, GPL, N4,RC2000, > GP3, even SCGT running F12000 tracks). > > > > > The tire sounds in F1CS2K take the place of the lateral cockpit > > movement in GP3. I do understand what you're talking about,because, > > similarly, I can't properly gauge my braking in GP3, in fact,without > > the fore/aft cockpit movement that's present in F1CS2K (and GPL, and > > ICR2, and NASCAR Heat, and . . .) > > GP3 gives you cockpit motion under braking. Really? Am I doing something wrong -- I'm using hardware mode, but all I see is lateral (left/right) motion in the corners. Then again, I haven't played it in weeks, so I'll have to fire it up again to check. FWIW, I'm still undecided on Lankhor's 3D cockpit implementation. The lateral/longitudinal motions are nice enough (the longitudinal feels more like a "dive" under braking, though -- too much downward motion for my taste). The head panning thing, though, gives me fits. I like the "organic" feel of it in replays, for example, but in practice it REALLY messes up my sense of turn-in, and I find it hard to gauge how much steering input is needed, how much steering input I've dialed-in, or when it's time to start unwinding the wheel. I know that several other folks around these parts like this feature, but I wonder if anybody else has the same problems I have with it? > > Otherwise, with your graphics problems and such, I'd say you'replaying > > on a Celeron 450 or K6-2 500 system or such -- am I correct? > > > > PIII-500, subpar graphics card. A PIII-500 should have plenty of grunt for F1CS2000, but the graphics card is probably your bottleneck. -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <pg6Y5.450$[email hidden]>, "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Stephen WATCH IT! (JB is a hired employee of EA Sports) <g> Lies, lies, lies -- I told you guys they won't even return my e-mails! BTW, if you ARE from EA and you're reading this message, please e-mail me -- I think I'm short a few royalty checks . . . ;-) -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90qrih$h0g$[email hidden]... > Thanks for the reply, Steve -- I assure you that F1CS2000 looks and > performs MUCH better with a little more horsepower. > Well that's wonderful if you have more horsepower, but it pales in comparison to others in its use of the hardware which you give it. Not everyone has killer systems, so I'll pass on this one. S.

Regular Racer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pg6Y5.450$[email hidden]... > Stephen WATCH IT! (JB is a hired employee of EA Sports) <g> > > Nothing to watch out for. Everyone has an opinion. Perhaps someone can explain this one to me. I managed to nose into a tire barrier (hey, we all make mistakes). I popped the car into R and went nowhere. I put it into neutral, revved it up, dropped it into reverse, and went about 1 foot backwards then stopped. I repeated this ad nauseum until once I stepped on the brake by accident while in reverse gear. The car drove normally. Whoa. Weird. I went to the config screens to see if I had something strange set with auto-recovery, or auto-reverse, or perhaps "please switch my gas and brake pedal if I put it into reverse", but found nothing. Does this happen for everyone? I like the look left, look right feature. Oh, and Eddie Irvine's eyes have a knowing Irish wink. Shame about the disappearing suspension arms in some views. It feels a bit odd driving with those spacy magnetically suspended wheels. Then again, it's no worse than the disappearing Monaco guardrails in GP3. Oh, and I like the fat guy in the crowd with the mustard stain on his Ferrari stain. It seems they have region-specific spectators... Stephen

On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:32:52 +0100, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Regular Racer <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:pg6Y5.450$[email hidden]... >> Stephen WATCH IT! (JB is a hired employee of EA Sports) <g> >> >> > >Nothing to watch out for. Everyone has an opinion. > >Perhaps someone can explain this one to me. I managed to nose into a tire >barrier (hey, we all make mistakes). I popped the car into R and went >nowhere. I put it into neutral, revved it up, dropped it into reverse, and >went about 1 foot backwards then stopped. I repeated this ad nauseum until >once I stepped on the brake by accident while in reverse gear. The car >drove normally. Whoa. Weird. I went to the config screens to see if I had >something strange set with auto-recovery, or auto-reverse, or perhaps >"please switch my gas and brake pedal if I put it into reverse", but found >nothing. Does this happen for everyone?

Go to the joystick options and switch off 'reverse help' or something like that. Reverse works normal now. Andre

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>I like the look left, look right feature. Oh, and Eddie Irvine's eyes have >a knowing Irish wink. Shame about the disappearing suspension arms in some >views. It feels a bit odd driving with those spacy magnetically suspended >wheels. Then again, it's no worse than the disappearing Monaco guardrails >in GP3. > >Oh, and I like the fat guy in the crowd with the mustard stain on his >Ferrari stain. It seems they have region-specific spectators... > >Stephen > > >

Why dont you change "windowedmode"= 1 it's in your config.ini file(F1CS)

In article <3a30fcd8$[email hidden]>, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:90qrih$h0g$[email hidden]... > > Thanks for the reply, Steve -- I assure you that F1CS2000 looks and > > performs MUCH better with a little more horsepower. > > > > Well that's wonderful if you have more horsepower, but it pales in > comparison to others in its use of the hardware which you give it.Not > everyone has killer systems, so I'll pass on this one. Just thing where we'd be today if everyone had taken this approach when GP2 and ICR2 hit the streets -- we'd all still be playing "Revs," and wondering why nothing better had come along yet . . . Scale back the graphics until you can afford the hardware if you have to, but we remember that if you don't support those developers and publishers who bring us good stuff, racing sims will ultimately end up in the same sort of slump that flight sims are experiencing. - JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <90qrih$h0g$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] writes: >Thanks for the reply, Steve -- I assure you that F1CS2000 looks and >performs MUCH better with a little more horsepower. How does it look compared to F12K on the same system? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +40.48 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I've got a system spec of 5 (PIII 800 GeForce 2 GTS) and have to agree whole heartedly with the original port although my framerates were fine at all times. After all the hype I'd seen from the net (including your brief review at bhm) I was keen to get the demo. I hadn't raced F12K but had a great time with SCGT (esp bathurst). Anyway, I was completely underwhelmed by the experience for all the reasons mentioned in the original post. Each to their own I guess, but for me, its not very impressive and certainly doesn't make me feel like I'm racing around in a modern day F1. I loved Nascar Heat, GPL, SCGT all immediately. I 'liked' GP3 but had my share of disspointments just like everyone else. But this demo has CONVINCED me not to bother with this title. BTW can anyone do a 180 spin and then blast off down the stright, cos I sure as hell can't. It always overspins. Whatever the logistics of this are, they are completely alien to any other racing sim I've ever encountered. Bazza <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90qkhm$bg7$[email hidden]... > In article <3a308e40$[email hidden]>, > "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > <snip> >

In article <[email hidden]>, "Barry Leek" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I've got a system spec of 5 (PIII 800 GeForce 2 GTS) and have toagree whole > heartedly with the original port although my framerates were fine atall > times. > > > Anyway, I was completely underwhelmed by the experience for all thereasons > mentioned in the original post. > I created a little fansite for F12000 before I had the full version, and after getting the full version I dumped the site because of all the shortcomings. It hasnt been all that long since then and already we have this new one, F1CS, and it wont be but till summer till they do a major rework with F1 2001. I'm back in the fansite business with F1CS but I see it (this time) as a stepping stone to F1 2001. These days I dont see individual titles as being so starkly 'by themselves', not with all the third party suff that is going on (especially with ISI games). I actually agree with a few things in the first post too. But I just dont want to keep waiting for perfection all the time. Besides, its takes a system costing about $1500 to get the *full* pleasure out of games these days. How harsh are you going to be towards a $35 piece of software?? :) mr http://blitzsports.com/racing/f1cs Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

And that's all that really matters.....since you are playing, you should be the happy one, irregardless of other views. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:04:41 +0100, "Stephen Ferguson"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Sorry EA, you haven't convinced me. I'll stick with GP3. It has itsbugs, > >but it still puts me closer to the razor's edge of a F1 racecar > > Agreed... >

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>On 08 Dec 2000 23:32:53 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>In article <90qrih$h0g$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] writes: >> >>>Thanks for the reply, Steve -- I assure you that F1CS2000 looks and >>>performs MUCH better with a little more horsepower. >> >>How does it look compared to F12K on the same system? > >I prefer GP3's look to F1CS on my system. Actually, I prefer >almost everything about GP3 vs. F1CS. I particularly like the >round tires in the GP3 replays.. :) >

Thanks Ed, but that doesn't help me much. I don't have GP3 yet. I *do* have F12k, so I can see that comparison better.

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>My system: PIII-600 / 256MB / Voodoo5 / TB Montego A3D / >Force RS / 19" monitor. > >At 2x FSAA, at 1024x768, GP3 looks better, overall, to me. >It has better AI, better FF, better driving model (IMO), better >'feel' of a race, telemetry, etc., etc.. I only wish that GP3 had >a longer, better replay feature, like F1CS.

Your system is much better than mine(processor & video), so my results won't be as good. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +40.48 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Great point, RR -- one that we tend to forget around here all too often. -- JB In article <rThY5.3998$[email hidden]>, "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote: > And that's all that really matters.....since you are playing, youshould be

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> the happy one, > irregardless of other views. > > "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:04:41 +0100, "Stephen Ferguson" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > >Sorry EA, you haven't convinced me. I'll stick with GP3. It has

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> bugs, > > >but it still puts me closer to the razor's edge of a F1 racecar > > > > Agreed... > > > >

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On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 00:44:53 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >* AI is improved quite a bit, in F1CS, but it is still not nearly >on par with GP3, IMO. This is the only part I can really disagree with. You do know the AI in F1CS is adjustable, right? The AI in GP3 is about as dumb as it comes. AI cars in GP3 make no attempt to avoid a collision and will rear end you *often*, even in the pits. I find the AI improvements in F1CS much better. Maybe they aren't as aggressive, but at least they try to avoid a collision. In a computer game this is important to me becaue we don't have the SA to help us avoid collisions as we would in RL.

On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 00:44:53 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>As always, Sim-Physics-Goodness (tm) is in the eyes of the >beholder. A person's opinion is only as truly valid as what he >has experienced first-hand. I, for example, think that the grip >in GPL is far too small. I base this on having raced purpose-built >sports-racing cars and small formula cars, of the same 60's era. >With nearly identical suspensions, and skinnier, bias-ply Goodyear >blue-dot tires, I can assure you that racecars of that era could be >manhandled at speed to a FAR greater degree than the >driving-on-ice grip modeling of GPL. Doug Arnao, RL race driver >and instructor, felt the same way when he beta-tested GPL and >pleaded with Kaemmer(sp?) to change the grip modeling, to no avail. >I had Doug A.'s posts on this topic from a few months ago, and seem >to have misplaced them, but he agreed with me completely that the >grip modeling in GPL is -far- too slippery.

With all the 3rd party mods done to GPL why has no one ever been able to come up with a mod that changes the grip? I for one would enjoy it more if the cars did have more grip.

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> On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 00:44:53 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> thus > spoke: > > >As always, Sim-Physics-Goodness (tm) is in the eyes of the > >beholder. A person's opinion is only as truly valid as what he > >has experienced first-hand. I, for example, think that the grip > >in GPL is far too small. I base this on having raced purpose-built > >sports-racing cars and small formula cars, of the same 60's era. > >With nearly identical suspensions, and skinnier, bias-ply Goodyear > >blue-dot tires, I can assure you that racecars of that era could be > >manhandled at speed to a FAR greater degree than the > >driving-on-ice grip modeling of GPL. Doug Arnao, RL race driver > >and instructor, felt the same way when he beta-tested GPL and > >pleaded with Kaemmer(sp?) to change the grip modeling, to no avail. > >I had Doug A.'s posts on this topic from a few months ago, and seem > >to have misplaced them, but he agreed with me completely that the > >grip modeling in GPL is -far- too slippery. > > With all the 3rd party mods done to GPL why has no one ever been able > to come up with a mod that changes the grip? I for one would enjoy it > more if the cars did have more grip.

What -- and ruin it's inherent "perfection?" </SARCASM> ;-) -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Hmmmm......Well I think a big problem with the retro-racers is that all though the companies make tires to size specs, they are still waaaaay softer than the original 1960's era tires were. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:07:30 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > > noemail wrote: > >> On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 00:44:53 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> thus > >> spoke: > >> > >> >As always, Sim-Physics-Goodness (tm) is in the eyes of the > >> >beholder. A person's opinion is only as truly valid as what he > >> >has experienced first-hand. I, for example, think that the grip > >> >in GPL is far too small. I base this on having raced purpose-built > >> >sports-racing cars and small formula cars, of the same 60's era. > >> >With nearly identical suspensions, and skinnier, bias-ply Goodyear > >> >blue-dot tires, I can assure you that racecars of that era could be > >> >manhandled at speed to a FAR greater degree than the > >> >driving-on-ice grip modeling of GPL. Doug Arnao, RL race driver > >> >and instructor, felt the same way when he beta-tested GPL and > >> >pleaded with Kaemmer(sp?) to change the grip modeling, to no avail. > >> >I had Doug A.'s posts on this topic from a few months ago, and seem > >> >to have misplaced them, but he agreed with me completely that the > >> >grip modeling in GPL is -far- too slippery. > >> > >> With all the 3rd party mods done to GPL why has no one ever been able > >> to come up with a mod that changes the grip? I for one would enjoy it > >> more if the cars did have more grip. > > > >What -- and ruin it's inherent "perfection?" > > > ></SARCASM> > > > >;-) > > > LOL!! > > ;) >

Still the tires nowadays are not the same hard compounds that were used in the 60's. That's a major difference in driving the older cars. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:30:34 -0700, "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]>wrote: > > >Hmmmm......Well I think a big problem with the retro-racers is that all > >though the > >companies make tires to size specs, they are still waaaaay softer thanthe

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> >original > >1960's era tires were. > > > > I didn't drive retro. I raced during the late 60's early 70's timeframe > I mentioned. I'm OLD! > > 8-) > > > > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:07:30 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > >> > >> >In article <[email hidden]>, > >> > noemail wrote: > >> >> On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 00:44:53 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> thus > >> >> spoke: > >> >> > >> >> >As always, Sim-Physics-Goodness (tm) is in the eyes of the > >> >> >beholder. A person's opinion is only as truly valid as what he > >> >> >has experienced first-hand. I, for example, think that the grip > >> >> >in GPL is far too small. I base this on having raced purpose-built > >> >> >sports-racing cars and small formula cars, of the same 60's era. > >> >> >With nearly identical suspensions, and skinnier, bias-ply Goodyear > >> >> >blue-dot tires, I can assure you that racecars of that era could be > >> >> >manhandled at speed to a FAR greater degree than the > >> >> >driving-on-ice grip modeling of GPL. Doug Arnao, RL race driver > >> >> >and instructor, felt the same way when he beta-tested GPL and > >> >> >pleaded with Kaemmer(sp?) to change the grip modeling, to no avail. > >> >> >I had Doug A.'s posts on this topic from a few months ago, and seem > >> >> >to have misplaced them, but he agreed with me completely that the > >> >> >grip modeling in GPL is -far- too slippery. > >> >> > >> >> With all the 3rd party mods done to GPL why has no one ever been

able > >> >> to come up with a mod that changes the grip? I for one would enjoyit

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> >> >> more if the cars did have more grip. > >> > > >> >What -- and ruin it's inherent "perfection?" > >> > > >> ></SARCASM> > >> > > >> >;-) > >> > > >> LOL!! > >> > >> ;) > >> > > >

Whoops, misread your post (about the age thingy) disregard the previous one....... "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:30:34 -0700, "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]>wrote: > > >Hmmmm......Well I think a big problem with the retro-racers is that all > >though the > >companies make tires to size specs, they are still waaaaay softer thanthe

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> >original > >1960's era tires were. > > > > I didn't drive retro. I raced during the late 60's early 70's timeframe > I mentioned. I'm OLD! > > 8-)

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>* Bottom Line: >If you liked F12000, and thought that it only needed better FPS, >then you should -immediately- buy F1CS. If you thought that the physics >modeling in F12000 was suspect, and that prevented you from enjoying >it, then you won't get tons of physics improvements in F1CS. You will >get SOME improvement, but not a lot. On the other hand, 40 bucks is >not a lot of dough, and you could buy a far worse sim than F1CS. > >I hope this helps you decide! > >Have fun.

Ok, this post I can use - thanks. Although I'm surprized that the FPS got *better*. I'd think with the graphics upgrades that come with time would bog down more than the previous sim. I'll have to fire up F12K again to see how I liked the actual driving. I don't think I was very good at it... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +40.48 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >* Bottom Line: > >If you liked F12000, and thought that it only needed better FPS, > >then you should -immediately- buy F1CS. If you thought that thephysics

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> >modeling in F12000 was suspect, and that prevented you from enjoying > >it, then you won't get tons of physics improvements in F1CS. You will > >get SOME improvement, but not a lot. On the other hand, 40 bucks is > >not a lot of dough, and you could buy a far worse sim than F1CS. > > > >I hope this helps you decide! > > > >Have fun. > > Ok, this post I can use - thanks. Although I'm surprized that the

FPS got > *better*. I'd think with the graphics upgrades that come with timewould bog > down more than the previous sim. I'll have to fire up F12K again tosee how I > liked the actual driving. I don't think I was very good at it... :( Download the F1CS2K demo and see how much better it performs than F1 2000, Eldred -- the difference was definitely noticeable on both my K6- 2 500 system and my Duron 750 sytems. As an added bonus, it seems that you can add in all the tracks from F1 2000 into the demo version of F1CS2K, which, in effect, sort of gives you the "full version" of F1CS2K, complete with the improved frame rates offered by F1CS2K. I heard of this through the following post on the High Gear forums; I haven't tried it myself, but it sounds like it is do-able: http://forums.simracingnews.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/002195.html This method obviously won't give you the improved Spa and Monza tracks that come with the full version of F1CS2K, nor will it give you the full F1CS2K "Driving School" mode, but it does offer you a little more "bang for your buck" if you purchased F1 2000. Consider this the F1 2000 "patch" that everyone thought EA should release instead of F1CS2K, I suppose. BTW, you should be pretty good at F1 2000 -- think of it as "GPL with wings." <G> -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On 10 Dec 2000 01:26:11 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > I'll have to fire up F12K again to see how I >liked the actual driving. I don't think I was very good at it... :( > >Eldred You're asking for some very cheap jokes here Eldred.. :) Andre

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>On 10 Dec 2000 01:26:11 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >> I'll have to fire up F12K again to see how I >>liked the actual driving. I don't think I was very good at it... :( >> >>Eldred > >You're asking for some very cheap jokes here Eldred.. :) > >Andre >

Hey, I don't have *any* delusions of being a good sim driver.<g> If I could win a race 'occasionally', I'd be happy. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +40.48 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>This method obviously won't give you the improved Spa and Monza tracks >that come with the full version of F1CS2K, nor will it give you the >full F1CS2K "Driving School" mode, but it does offer you a little >more "bang for your buck" if you purchased F1 2000. Consider this the >F1 2000 "patch" that everyone thought EA should release instead of >F1CS2K, I suppose. >

Ok, thanks! >BTW, you should be pretty good at F1 2000 -- think of it as "GPL with >wings." <G> Hehe...if you *say* so... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +40.48 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

rrevved wrote: > > GPL - Which would be infinitely more accurate and better with > at least double or even triple the grip. > Nascar 4 - *IF* PAPY IMPROVES THE DAMNED GRIP! > I think it's not the amount of grip that troubles you, but the tire cornering stiffness. This leads to slip angles that are too high, and the yaw dampening is lower, making the cars feel more unstable than they should be, and gives the illusion of driving on ice. If I could have it my way, I would slightly increase (say, to about 3/2 the current value) the stiffness in both Papy sims to bring the drifts into accord with what's seen on footage. I believe Nascar Heat got this part better; however, the rear axle in that sim seems to be locked up; I'm not sure if it's realistic, but it sure is frustrating to go from plough too snap oversteer all the time. -Gregor