Autosport reports today:
Door opened to traction control - but not yet�
Immediate return vetoed as teams told to introduce safety measures and
ensure effective policing
Traction control will return to Formula 1 as early as next year's
Spanish Grand Prix if the teams can agree on an effective method of
keeping additional electronic driver aids out of the sport and come up
with a number of new safety systems.
The F1 Commission, made up of teams, major sponsors and representatives
of the sports� governing body, the FIA, needed to unanimously agree that
traction control should return before it could be given the final rubber
stamp by motorsport�s rules-making body, the World Motor Sport Council.
However, sources say that at yesterday�s F1 Commission meeting in
Monaco, four teams � Ferrari, its customer engine-users Prost and
Sauber, plus Minardi � vetoed the original proposal for an immediate
return 'for the good of the sport of Formula 1'.
Instead, after a meeting described as 'stormy at times', the F1
Commission has agreed to incorporate traction control as part of a
package of measures to improve safety in F1. But the package will be
implemented only if the teams can propose measures to guarantee there
would be no additional use of electronics 'as an aid to competitive
driving in F1'.
Examples of suggested safety devices were given, including a system to
alert the driver of the presence of a car in front when visibility is
reduced by spray, and a form of speed reduction for use under yellow
flag conditions. All of these safety measures are still under discussion.
The package formulated by the teams will be discussed at a meeting
between the FIA and Formula 1 team principals on February 14. Subject to
a fax vote of the World Motor Sport Council on March 1, unrestricted
engine electronics could be permitted as early as the Spanish Grand Prix
on April 29.
Last month, the F1 Technical Working Group, an advisory body made up of
the teams� technical chiefs, unanimously voted in favour of the return
of traction control on the grounds that such electronic systems were
impossible to police effectively.
Several teams are said to be angered that a previously unanimous
decision, which should have been adopted as a formality, was
subsequently vetoed and replaced by the modified package.
"How can a team agree on something at the Technical Working Group, then
disagree with it a couple of weeks later?" said one F1 team insider.
"What exactly has changed in the meantime?"
A Ferrari spokesman denied that the Italian team had been the catalyst
for any change in stance and that it had led a veto.
"This is an FIA decision, not a Ferrari decision," he told the BBC. "I
don't know why some teams speak in this way, but it is not right.
"Maybe they want the restrictions on electronics removed? But the FIA is
very careful about electronics."
The move to allow traction control, but only on strict conditions, is in
line with the thinking of FIA president Max Mosley, who was against its
return in principle but has always advocated any improvement in F1
safety standards.
The decision has placed the onus back on to the Formula 1 teams to get
their own house in order if they want traction control to return. The
teams must devise a system which ensures that no further electronic
systems to aid competitive driving could be used, as well as
incorporating new safety measures.
COOL! This explains the wheelspin issues with F1CS2K -- it's merely a
preview of F1 2001! <G>
-- JB
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representatives
> of the sports� governing body, the FIA, needed to unanimously agreethat
> traction control should return before it could be given the finalrubber
> stamp by motorsport�s rules-making body, the World Motor SportCouncil.
discussion.
>
> The package formulated by the teams will be discussed at a meeting
> between the FIA and Formula 1 team principals on February 14. Subjectto
> a fax vote of the World Motor Sport Council on March 1, unrestricted
> engine electronics could be permitted as early as the Spanish GrandPrix
> on April 29.
>
> Last month, the F1 Technical Working Group, an advisory body made upof
then
is
> very careful about electronics."
>
> The move to allow traction control, but only on strict conditions, isin
> line with the thinking of FIA president Max Mosley, who was againstits
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> Autosport reports today: > > Door opened to traction control - but not yet� > > Immediate return vetoed as teams told to introduce safety measures and > ensure effective policing > > Traction control will return to Formula 1 as early as next year's > Spanish Grand Prix if the teams can agree on an effective method of > keeping additional electronic driver aids out of the sport and come up > with a number of new safety systems. > > The F1 Commission, made up of teams, major sponsors andQuoted text (17 lines)
> > However, sources say that at yesterday�s F1 Commission meeting in > Monaco, four teams � Ferrari, its customer engine-users Prost and > Sauber, plus Minardi � vetoed the original proposal for an immediate > return 'for the good of the sport of Formula 1'. > > Instead, after a meeting described as 'stormy at times', the F1 > Commission has agreed to incorporate traction control as part of a > package of measures to improve safety in F1. But the package will be > implemented only if the teams can propose measures to guarantee there > would be no additional use of electronics 'as an aid to competitive > driving in F1'. > > Examples of suggested safety devices were given, including a system to > alert the driver of the presence of a car in front when visibility is > reduced by spray, and a form of speed reduction for use under yellow > flag conditions. All of these safety measures are still underQuoted text (9 lines)
> the teams� technical chiefs, unanimously voted in favour of the return > of traction control on the grounds that such electronic systems were > impossible to police effectively. > > Several teams are said to be angered that a previously unanimous > decision, which should have been adopted as a formality, was > subsequently vetoed and replaced by the modified package. > > "How can a team agree on something at the Technical Working Group,Quoted text (10 lines)
> disagree with it a couple of weeks later?" said one F1 team insider. > "What exactly has changed in the meantime?" > > A Ferrari spokesman denied that the Italian team had been the catalyst > for any change in stance and that it had led a veto. > > "This is an FIA decision, not a Ferrari decision," he told the BBC. "I > don't know why some teams speak in this way, but it is not right. > > "Maybe they want the restrictions on electronics removed? But the FIAQuoted text (9 lines)
> return in principle but has always advocated any improvement in F1 > safety standards. > > The decision has placed the onus back on to the Formula 1 teams to get > their own house in order if they want traction control to return. The > teams must devise a system which ensures that no further electronic > systems to aid competitive driving could be used, as well as > incorporating new safety measures. >To paraphrase Prime Minister Chamberlain, "Crap in our time".
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Examples of suggested safety devices were given, including a system to
alert the driver of the presence of a car in front when visibility is
reduced by spray, and a form of speed reduction for use under yellow
flag conditions.
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With regard to the first suggestion, "a system to alert the driver...etc",
it's as plain as the nose on your face....*RADAR*! In the centre of the
computer-called-a-steering-wheel there is a little circular cathode-ray tube
which displays little green blips to represent the other, hidden, cars. Just
like James Bond's Aston Martin!
As far as the speed reduction under yellows........if they outfit each car
with a radio receiver and each driver with a set of headphones then somebody
back at Race Control could say something like.....ummmm......how about "Hey!
The yellow flag's out....SLOW DOWN!"?
Or is that *too* obvious?
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Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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> Autosport reports today:
>
> Door opened to traction control - but not yet.
>
> Immediate return vetoed as teams told to introduce safety measures and
> ensure effective policing
> incorporating new safety measures.
Bruce Kennewell wrote:
> In the centre of the computer-called-a-steering-wheel there is a little circular > cathode-ray tube which displays little green blips to represent
> the other, hidden, cars. Just like James Bond's Aston Martin!
I'm waiting for the extendable "Ben-Hur" knock-on spinners to shred your
opponents' tires and bodywork!
> As far as the speed reduction under yellows........if they outfit each car
> with a radio receiver and each driver with a set of headphones then somebody
> back at Race Control could say something like.....ummmm......how about "Hey!
> The yellow flag's out....SLOW DOWN!"?
>
> Or is that *too* obvious?
Didn't work with Schumi and that black flag!
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> Bruce Kennewell wrote:
>
> > In the centre of the computer-called-a-steering-wheel there is a littlecircular > cathode-ray tube which displays little green blips to represent
> > the other, hidden, cars. Just like James Bond's Aston Martin!
>
> I'm waiting for the extendable "Ben-Hur" knock-on spinners to shred your
> opponents' tires and bodywork! Then you must have missed CART races in the 90's after Mike Andretti
returned. He used the front-wing end plate to shred many many tires.
Jimmy Vaser at Long Beach on the last lap. Robbie Gordon twice at
Cleveland (in the same race) Unser Jr. at Detroit...the list is much
longer,
these are just a few I pulled out of my rattly memory. It took 2 and half
years but CART finally put him on probation.
dave henrie
Ahaa! The Bodecia (?) Hub caps?!! A wonderful invention.
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Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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> Bruce Kennewell wrote:
>
> > In the centre of the computer-called-a-steering-wheel there is a little
circular > cathode-ray tube which displays little green blips to represent
> > the other, hidden, cars. Just like James Bond's Aston Martin!
>
> I'm waiting for the extendable "Ben-Hur" knock-on spinners to shred your
> opponents' tires and bodywork!
>
> > As far as the speed reduction under yellows........if they outfit each
car
> > with a radio receiver and each driver with a set of headphones then
somebody
> > back at Race Control could say something like.....ummmm......how about
"Hey!
> > The yellow flag's out....SLOW DOWN!"?
> >
> > Or is that *too* obvious?
>
> Didn't work with Schumi and that black flag!
I'm suprised they don't want a recount...
-Larry
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> Autosport reports today: > > Door opened to traction control - but not yet. > > Immediate return vetoed as teams told to introduce safety measures and > ensure effective policing > > Traction control will return to Formula 1 as early as next year's > Spanish Grand Prix if the teams can agree on an effective method of > keeping additional electronic driver aids out of the sport and come up > with a number of new safety systems. > > The F1 Commission, made up of teams, major sponsors and representatives > of the sports' governing body, the FIA, needed to unanimously agree that > traction control should return before it could be given the final rubber > stamp by motorsport's rules-making body, the World Motor Sport Council. > > However, sources say that at yesterday's F1 Commission meeting in > Monaco, four teams - Ferrari, its customer engine-users Prost and > Sauber, plus Minardi - vetoed the original proposal for an immediate > return 'for the good of the sport of Formula 1'. > > Instead, after a meeting described as 'stormy at times', the F1 > Commission has agreed to incorporate traction control as part of a > package of measures to improve safety in F1. But the package will be > implemented only if the teams can propose measures to guarantee there > would be no additional use of electronics 'as an aid to competitive > driving in F1'. > > Examples of suggested safety devices were given, including a system to > alert the driver of the presence of a car in front when visibility is > reduced by spray, and a form of speed reduction for use under yellow > flag conditions. All of these safety measures are still under discussion. > > The package formulated by the teams will be discussed at a meeting > between the FIA and Formula 1 team principals on February 14. Subject to > a fax vote of the World Motor Sport Council on March 1, unrestricted > engine electronics could be permitted as early as the Spanish Grand Prix > on April 29. > > Last month, the F1 Technical Working Group, an advisory body made up of > the teams' technical chiefs, unanimously voted in favour of the return > of traction control on the grounds that such electronic systems were > impossible to police effectively. > > Several teams are said to be angered that a previously unanimous > decision, which should have been adopted as a formality, was > subsequently vetoed and replaced by the modified package. > > "How can a team agree on something at the Technical Working Group, then > disagree with it a couple of weeks later?" said one F1 team insider. > "What exactly has changed in the meantime?" > > A Ferrari spokesman denied that the Italian team had been the catalyst > for any change in stance and that it had led a veto. > > "This is an FIA decision, not a Ferrari decision," he told the BBC. "I > don't know why some teams speak in this way, but it is not right. > > "Maybe they want the restrictions on electronics removed? But the FIA is > very careful about electronics." > > The move to allow traction control, but only on strict conditions, is in > line with the thinking of FIA president Max Mosley, who was against its > return in principle but has always advocated any improvement in F1 > safety standards. > > The decision has placed the onus back on to the Formula 1 teams to get > their own house in order if they want traction control to return. The > teams must devise a system which ensures that no further electronic > systems to aid competitive driving could be used, as well as > incorporating new safety measures.Why don't we give them Sonar, so when the water is _really_ deep?
Radar? LOL!
-Larry
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tube
> which displays little green blips to represent the other, hidden, cars.Just
> like James Bond's Aston Martin!
>
> As far as the speed reduction under yellows........if they outfit each car
> with a radio receiver and each driver with a set of headphones thensomebody
> back at Race Control could say something like.....ummmm......how about"Hey!
