GPL cheat found!

Although I can't find the application yet, It has been found by others in VROC. There was quite a long discussion about it there today. All I can get is that Paul Thurston created this patch that'll alow you to put a Lotus engine in a BRM and ect.. (change engines with chassis).

Can I put a DFV in my F3 Lotus? ;) "Mike Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0l8Y5.2477$[email hidden]... > Although I can't find the application yet, It has been found by others > in VROC. There was quite a long discussion about it there today. All Ican > get is that Paul Thurston created this patch that'll alow you to put aLotus > engine in a BRM and ect.. (change engines with chassis). > > > >

Apparently I can... hmmm not sure I like that or not. "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90r4fp$u83$[email hidden]... > Can I put a DFV in my F3 Lotus? ;) > > "Mike Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0l8Y5.2477$[email hidden]... > > Although I can't find the application yet, It has been found byothers

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> > in VROC. There was quite a long discussion about it there today. All I > can > > get is that Paul Thurston created this patch that'll alow you to put a > Lotus > > engine in a BRM and ect.. (change engines with chassis). > > > > > > > > > >

On hand it's ashame but on the other hand it's just great. I always wanted to drive the Lotus with the Eagle engine. Or imagine the Brabham with a high revving engine. It's quite easy to see whether someone is using the right engine so I don't think it's a big problem for online racing. It just makes the racing more interesting if we allow different combinations. "Mike Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0l8Y5.2477$[email hidden]... > Although I can't find the application yet, It has been found by others > in VROC. There was quite a long discussion about it there today. All Ican > get is that Paul Thurston created this patch that'll alow you to put aLotus > engine in a BRM and ect.. (change engines with chassis). > > > >

>"Mike Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote > Although I can't find the application yet, It has been found by others > in VROC. There was quite a long discussion about it there today. All Ican > get is that Paul Thurston created this patch that'll alow you to put aLotus > engine in a BRM and ect.. (change engines with chassis). Good, then it means I'll be able to put my Honda chassis with a better engine at low and mid-revs :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Well, at least being able to put a BRM H-16 into a Lotus chassis (albeit the wrong type but still...it's a Lotus) is historically accurate. Also being able to place a Ford Cosworth into a Brabham chassis is accurate....but not for 1967. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Mike Barlow <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0l8Y5.2477$[email hidden]... > Although I can't find the application yet, It has been found by others > in VROC. There was quite a long discussion about it there today. All I can > get is that Paul Thurston created this patch that'll alow you to put a Lotus > engine in a BRM and ect.. (change engines with chassis). > > > >

Harjan, I too have always wanted to drive the Lotus with the Eagle engine. I'm quite anxious to see if I can indeed go faster with this combo. Unfortunately, I can't help but feel a certain sadness that just about everything associated with GPL will henceforth have a cloud of suspicion associated with it. Schubi might even shut down with something like this and that would be a terrible loss. Rick "Harjan Brand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:goaY5.1767$[email hidden]... > On hand it's ashame but on the other hand it's just great. I always wanted > to drive the Lotus with the Eagle engine. Or imagine the Brabham with ahigh > revving engine. It's quite easy to see whether someone is using the right > engine so I don't think it's a big problem for online racing. It justmakes > the racing more interesting if we allow different combinations. > > "Mike Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0l8Y5.2477$[email hidden]... > > Although I can't find the application yet, It has been found byothers

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> > in VROC. There was quite a long discussion about it there today. All I > can > > get is that Paul Thurston created this patch that'll alow you to put a > Lotus > > engine in a BRM and ect.. (change engines with chassis). > > > > > > > > > >

Where's this utility available from? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Harjan Brand <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:goaY5.1767$[email hidden]... > On hand it's ashame but on the other hand it's just great. I always wanted > to drive the Lotus with the Eagle engine. Or imagine the Brabham with a high > revving engine. It's quite easy to see whether someone is using the right > engine so I don't think it's a big problem for online racing. It just makes > the racing more interesting if we allow different combinations. > > "Mike Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0l8Y5.2477$[email hidden]... > > Although I can't find the application yet, It has been found by others > > in VROC. There was quite a long discussion about it there today. All I > can > > get is that Paul Thurston created this patch that'll alow you to put a > Lotus > > engine in a BRM and ect.. (change engines with chassis). > > > > > > > > > >

[email hidden] (Harjan Brand) wrote in <goaY5.1767$[email hidden]>: >It's quite easy to see whether someone is using the right >engine Tell me how you can see that on GPLRank? so I don't think it's a big problem for online racing. Tell that to the people that volunteer their time to administer leagues, and who now have to spend even more time checking to see what engine is being used. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -5.09 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

Schubi did shut down! "Rick Boyd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90rkf4$cv7s$[email hidden]...

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> Harjan, > > I too have always wanted to drive the Lotus with the Eagle engine. I'm > quite anxious to see if I can indeed go faster with this combo. > > Unfortunately, I can't help but feel a certain sadness that just about > everything associated with GPL will henceforth have a cloud of suspicion > associated with it. Schubi might even shut down with something like this > and that would be a terrible loss. > > Rick > > > "Harjan Brand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:goaY5.1767$[email hidden]... > > On hand it's ashame but on the other hand it's just great. I always

wanted > > to drive the Lotus with the Eagle engine. Or imagine the Brabham with a > high > > revving engine. It's quite easy to see whether someone is using theright

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> > engine so I don't think it's a big problem for online racing. It just > makes > > the racing more interesting if we allow different combinations. > > > > "Mike Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:0l8Y5.2477$[email hidden]... > > > Although I can't find the application yet, It has been found by > others > > > in VROC. There was quite a long discussion about it there today. All

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> > can > > > get is that Paul Thurston created this patch that'll alow you to put a > > Lotus > > > engine in a BRM and ect.. (change engines with chassis). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>"Rick Boyd" <[email hidden]> wrote > Schubi did shut down! Be sure it will be back up when the community calms down and creates standards. I mean let's remember his site was down when Gp3 was released <VBG> ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Mike Barlow wrote on 08 Dec 2000: > Although I can't find the application yet, It has been found by > others >in VROC. There was quite a long discussion about it there today. All I >can get is that Paul Thurston created this patch that'll alow you to put >a Lotus engine in a BRM and ect.. (change engines with chassis). IN that case, someone with the time and programming knowledge needs to write a utility that can detect it. Maybe that's impossible, but if not - now we're going to find out if the much-vaunted "sportsmanship" in the GPL community is genuine... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Couldn't agree more Don... This will basically put the Leagues around in a coffin.... or exponentially increase the time to administer. Remember that conversation we had at Molson Indy Vancouver about "responsible editor releases"... here is a classic case. The community as a whole will suffer.... although many will find it cool personally. I can see the finger pointing and "Cheater!" calling already..... here we go again... too bad really. Regards, Schumi "Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90048DD6Fdscurlock@news...

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> [email hidden] (Harjan Brand) wrote in > <goaY5.1767$[email hidden]>: > > >It's quite easy to see whether someone is using the right > >engine > > Tell me how you can see that on GPLRank? > > so I don't think it's a big problem for online racing. > > Tell that to the people that volunteer their time to administer > leagues, and who now have to spend even more time checking to see what > engine is being used. > > -- > Don Scurlock > Vancouver,B.C. > GPLRank -5.09 > > Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site > http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Well, at least being able to put a BRM H-16 into a Lotus > chassis (albeit the wrong type but still...it's a Lotus) is > historically accurate. The Autocourse of 1967 gives the following measurements: Ford DFV: 356 lbs. engine/98 lbs. gearbox/410 HP BRM H16: 484 lbs. engine/135 lbs. gearbox/418 HP Since this patch doesn't factor in the engine/gearbox weights it seems about 165 lbs. shy of being historically accurate, Lotus 43/49 differences aside. Kind of like putting the driver on a mega-slimfast program. ;-) > Also being able to place a Ford Cosworth into a Brabham > chassis is accurate....but not for 1967. Certainly a bit closer in weight as the have the Repco V8 weighing in at 360 lbs and the gearbox at 125 lbs. - George

There are so may people way faster than me as it is that I dont mind.. Alot of people race against the "faster" cars with "slower" cars just for the challenge of beating them, through consistancy or what have you.... It would have been nice if the type of car that appeared as being driven would be changed so that we knew that that driver was using a new "type" of car. Leagues are the one place where honesty is usually expected and this whole doorway in GPL should not matter. But again this is the real world combined with a virtual world and thing never seem to line up right. Besides when did Jim Clark ever in his career run 10+ Int. Short races in one day? :) Now were all a bunch of cheaters... especially cheating death. Charlie B "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Mike Barlow wrote on 08 Dec 2000: > > > Although I can't find the application yet, It has been found by > > others > >in VROC. There was quite a long discussion about it there today. All I > >can get is that Paul Thurston created this patch that'll alow you to put > >a Lotus engine in a BRM and ect.. (change engines with chassis). > > IN that case, someone with the time and programming knowledge needs to > write a utility that can detect it. Maybe that's impossible, but if not - > now we're going to find out if the much-vaunted "sportsmanship" in the GPL > community is genuine... > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) > The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,

really" - > Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. >

It takes about a 100 m to check what engine someone is using, so I don't see any problems for the leagues. "Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90048DD6Fdscurlock@news...

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> [email hidden] (Harjan Brand) wrote in > <goaY5.1767$[email hidden]>: > > >It's quite easy to see whether someone is using the right > >engine > > Tell me how you can see that on GPLRank? > > so I don't think it's a big problem for online racing. > > Tell that to the people that volunteer their time to administer > leagues, and who now have to spend even more time checking to see what > engine is being used. > > -- > Don Scurlock > Vancouver,B.C. > GPLRank -5.09 > > Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site > http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

Ermmmmmm.... How about the rampant "CHEATER!" that is inevitable from the various "who-knows-who" club"? Quit thinking inside the box guys..... the editor is available...... the accusations will fly..... the community is toast.... a sad day. regards, Schumi "Harjan Brand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hmnY5.2372$[email hidden]... > It takes about a 100 m to check what engine someone is using, so I don'tsee

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> any problems for the leagues. > > "Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:90048DD6Fdscurlock@news... > > [email hidden] (Harjan Brand) wrote in > > <goaY5.1767$[email hidden]>: > > > > >It's quite easy to see whether someone is using the right > > >engine > > > > Tell me how you can see that on GPLRank? > > > > so I don't think it's a big problem for online racing. > > > > Tell that to the people that volunteer their time to administer > > leagues, and who now have to spend even more time checking to see what > > engine is being used. > > > > -- > > Don Scurlock > > Vancouver,B.C. > > GPLRank -5.09 > > > > Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site > > http://gplrank.ringlord.com/ > >

You could record yourself saying "Weslake" for the Weslake engine and so on. So when you want to check, it'll take less than 2 seconds to hear which engine being used.

Now...there's an idea; any way of actually modifying the weights, George? I'd like to be able to simulate the correct (or as near as possible) parameters of an H-16 in a Lotus and a DFV in a Brabham. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- George M. Smiley <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:37fY5.221$[email hidden]... > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Well, at least being able to put a BRM H-16 into a Lotus > > chassis (albeit the wrong type but still...it's a Lotus) is > > historically accurate. > > The Autocourse of 1967 gives the following measurements: > > Ford DFV: 356 lbs. engine/98 lbs. gearbox/410 HP > BRM H16: 484 lbs. engine/135 lbs. gearbox/418 HP > > Since this patch doesn't factor in the engine/gearbox > weights it seems about 165 lbs. shy of being historically > accurate, Lotus 43/49 differences aside. Kind of like putting > the driver on a mega-slimfast program. ;-) > > > Also being able to place a Ford Cosworth into a Brabham > > chassis is accurate....but not for 1967. > > Certainly a bit closer in weight as the have the Repco V8 > weighing in at 360 lbs and the gearbox at 125 lbs. > > - George > > > > >