Oh dear oh dear oh dear..

Goodbye GPL as we know it.

Hi, I saw it and... I don't like it. Sad day for us GPL'ers. http://website.lineone.net/~richardn/index.html Greetings, Michael Staab -- Mitglied in der CAR, Verein f�r PC-Rennsimulationen www.car-ev.de Staabi's Mountain Bike Classics www.mtb-classic.de

Phil Flack wrote: > > Goodbye GPL as we know it. I assume you mean the engine swapper utility. Yep, I feel the same. Online racing isn't going to be the same anymore.

On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:24:35 +0000, Phil Flack <[email hidden]> wrote: >Goodbye GPL as we know it. There's a new utility out which lets you use engines in different cars. Let the discussion about cheating begin! Andre

Who cares. Editing player.ini times with notepad is much easier. Cheating is rampant on nfs5 servers where you could just type in a cheat code to make the car small and the road effectively much wider, or actually edit the engine power and road grip, but the motivation for doing this in GPL is just not there, and this swapping engines is pretty tame in comparison. rms [email hidden]

"Phil Flack" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[email hidden]... > Goodbye GPL as we know it. This absolutely sucks! Shame on both the makers and the users! No regards Crash P.S.: And whoever said that my Ringtrainer was cheating: Here you have the real thing!

the same feeling for me. Tons of work for league admins (engine change during qualifying? pretend a disconnection... does the lap still count?)... and the race itself; lotus and eagle use the same sound so it's difficult to tell.... -- Mika Takala [email hidden] ICQ UIN 14314015 "Michael Staab" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� news:90r2uv$1tdra$[email hidden]... > Hi, > > I saw it and... > > I don't like it. > > Sad day for us GPL'ers. > > http://website.lineone.net/~richardn/index.html > > Greetings, > > Michael Staab > -- > Mitglied in der CAR, Verein f�r PC-Rennsimulationen www.car-ev.de > Staabi's Mountain Bike Classics www.mtb-classic.de > >

Phil Flack <[email hidden]> wrote: > Goodbye GPL as we know it. **COOL!** I have to say that I'm really intrigued by this. Now I can finally find out just how fast that little Brabham can REALLY go at Spa. I can't say how much this will entertain me when playing GPL for the next few months. The positives of this util far, far outweigh the negatives for my own tastes. As far as the online cheating implications, well, if you're racing on VROC I can't see how it matters much. It's not like you're being given an extra 500 hp and tripling your grip. Good drivers in a standard BRM will still drive circles around bad drivers in Brabham-Hondas. Cheating in leagues? Well, I can only say I'm glad I'm not a league administrator. I think leagues are the only place this little patch will have any negative effects. Then again, it shouldn't be *too* hard to detect if somebody's swapped an engine. Since the "fast" combination will likely involve the little bitty Brabham or the Lotus with a more powerful engine, just look at the revs. Those two are the lowest revving engines in GPL if left stock. All-in-all, I think I'm going to enjoy this patch. I'll see you tonight on VROC in my Brabham-Honda. Or maybe in my Lotus-BRM. Or my Cooper-Ferrari. Or my... -Chris- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

> Goodbye GPL as we know it. > So, if you put a BRM engine in any other car, what happens graphically with the gear shifter. Does it move to the 6th gear slot even though it's not there, or does it just not move past the 5th gear slot? -Dirt- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Bye bye GPLRank ;( I was very proud of my +7 handicap, all times set with the Brabham. Now I'm up against Brabham/Ford or Brabham/Honda etc... Damn ;( -- Karsten Borchers www.simracing.dk "Phil Flack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Goodbye GPL as we know it.

Phil Flack <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Goodbye GPL as we know it. Come on lads, you'd swear it was the end of the world. How can it possibly cause cheating? You can't jack up bhp can you? Just swap engines? If so, where's the problem, some for everyone, nobody can ever get an advantage can they? OMG, I just realised, hacks like this almost makes GPL "common", gasp :-)

pfft. Unknowingly uploading warp times from vroc races will be much more common than any conscious cheating with this hack; I often have to go back and delete bogus entries. That's good you are avoiding the lotus, I'm at +10 with no lotus times. rms [email hidden]

"Phil Flack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Goodbye GPL as we know it. Maybe, but as far as GPL Rank goes I really think that most GPL'ers won't cheat. If one wanted to, you could always just change the driver's file and submit the time if you really wanted to cheat, and I don't think that there's much of that going around. This isn't NFS here. As for me, I'm going to create a new driver profile and give it a go. It'll be fun to try out a Brabham-Ferrari offline. But I certainly won't submit any times to GPL Rank for this new driver.

>"Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote > Who cares. Editing player.ini times with notepad is much easier. Uh, but the ini files doesn't change anything to the game engine. No possible modification. If only Papyrus had a simple client/server checksum architecture in GPL... > is rampant on nfs5 servers where you could just type in a cheat code tomake > the car small and the road effectively much wider, or actually edit the > engine power and road grip, but the motivation for doing this in GPL isjust > not there, and this swapping engines is pretty tame in comparison. The difference is we are Gentlemens (well 99.999% of us), compared to the few present in the NFS5 community. Still, I love that new utility. We now have 49 choices of chassis/engine. WOW! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Really, really, bad idea. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -5.09 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

So, ummm...where does one find this util? J. P. Hovercraft Chris Cavin wrote:

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> Phil Flack <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Goodbye GPL as we know it. > > **COOL!** > > I have to say that I'm really intrigued by this. Now I can finally > find out just how fast that little Brabham can REALLY go at Spa. I > can't say how much this will entertain me when playing GPL for the next > few months. The positives of this util far, far outweigh the negatives > for my own tastes. > > As far as the online cheating implications, well, if you're racing on > VROC I can't see how it matters much. It's not like you're being given > an extra 500 hp and tripling your grip. Good drivers in a standard BRM > will still drive circles around bad drivers in Brabham-Hondas. > > Cheating in leagues? Well, I can only say I'm glad I'm not a league > administrator. I think leagues are the only place this little patch > will have any negative effects. Then again, it shouldn't be *too* hard > to detect if somebody's swapped an engine. Since the "fast" > combination will likely involve the little bitty Brabham or the Lotus > with a more powerful engine, just look at the revs. Those two are the > lowest revving engines in GPL if left stock. > > All-in-all, I think I'm going to enjoy this patch. I'll see you > tonight on VROC in my Brabham-Honda. Or maybe in my Lotus-BRM. Or my > Cooper-Ferrari. Or my... > > -Chris- > > **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:54:22 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The difference is we are Gentlemens (well 99.999% of us), compared to the >few present in the NFS5 community. Based on the number of people swearing at Ricardo Nunnini at the GPLEA forum, I'd say the percentage was a lot lower than that. Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

J. P. Hovercraft wrote on 08 Dec 2000: >So, ummm...where does one find this util? In the local incinerator, I hope... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92 - as if anyone cared anymore) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

GraDee wrote on 08 Dec 2000:

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> >Phil Flack <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Goodbye GPL as we know it. > >Come on lads, you'd swear it was the end of the world. > >How can it possibly cause cheating? You can't jack up bhp can you? Just >swap engines?

<snip> Er... the DFV has rather more oomph than the Maserati, y'know. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92 - as if anyone cared anymore) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

>"Martin Ursua" <[email hidden]> wrote > Based on the number of people swearing at Ricardo Nunnini at > the GPLEA forum, I'd say the percentage was a lot lower than that. People can say whatever they want in their simile-anonymous. Bunch of selfish people who goes "Oh no... all my time passed behind a computer aren't worth anymore. My whole life is destroyed, OH THE HUMANITY!!!!" Geeze -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

> People can say whatever they want in their simile-anonymous. Bunch of > selfish people who goes "Oh no... all my time passed behind a computer > aren't worth anymore. My whole life is destroyed, OH THE HUMANITY!!!!" This is not about ruining lives, it is about knowing what game you are playing. This patch creates a new game, but is cunningly camouflaged as GPL. I would like to drive GPL and being measured against other GPL-ers, not drive GPL and being measured against users of this new game. How can I know which drivers are driving GPL without studying the replay? Jon Andersen

If I take a look at Gregers time in Monza in a Cooper and compare that to mine in a Lotus, I am quite confident, that very good driving wins over cheating. Besides, I am convinced that serious simmers, who care a lot for realism, are proud of driving the real Ferrari or BRM and are not eager just to improve laptimes by 'cheating'. Those who cheat are very likely loosing interest just to push a little further, because they do not want to improve their style of driving. Those who do will not have any interest in mixing up matters. Tell me why there are so many folks who are driving monza in a Honda ? Or even in a Cooper ? If they're only aimed to getting faster than others they might just take another ordinary car. No folks, I am not anxious about all that. GPL is not a sim where you are up for cheating. It's a sim where you are up to improvement. Ways of getting better people find in themselves, not in the cheaten physics. If there were a Cooper-trophy or something alike, I should agree that there was something to be expected. Lets see what happens, I hope I am not so far from truth. Cheers J�rg Phil Flack <[email hidden]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: [email hidden]... > Goodbye GPL as we know it.

Well said... Jan. =--- J�rg Gallert wrote... > If I take a look at Gregers time in Monza in a Cooper > <snip>