N4 Demo...yuk.

Sorry guys, I've lurked here a lot and read a bunch of threads about N4, and I gotta wonder what the hell was going on when they released the demo. I gotta suspect a large part of the game is going to be the AI; since there ain't no AI in the demo, the physics is up to snuff (courtesy GPL, I gather) and they finally did figure out that clicking on "Rendition - Verite" just wasn't a huge happenin' kinda thing, that they could put out a demo that was better than, oh, say...well....put the mag disc back in and find one. Dear god this is pathetic. Just look at the in-car wheel (forget just how far you have it cranked to the right on your wheely-wheel) and compare that with ANY in-car footage of any WC car for the last, oh, well, as long as they've had in-car cameras. Yikes. It's beyond being anal about accuracy, it's just stupid. I'll refrain from commenting on the grotesque sounds. Ugh. I kinda like the good old days, when demos were sales tools. This is some sort of freakish experiment.

Maybe you should stick to "lurking". In case you missed it this isn't a finished product. This is a pre-release alpha version of N4 it's not meant to be a "sales tool". How on earth you can consider anything in this sim "pathetic" is beyond me. Granted there are a few things that I hope are improved by the release date but as a whole it's a terrific demo. Papy hasn't been known to make very good decisions regarding supported hardware for it's software (Rendition, Glide, A3D) come to mind. But... At least they try to push the envelope. As far as the "wheely wheel" you mention goes it really isn't to difficult to understand why the wheel doesn't turn as much as a cup car. It's called limited range of motion on most PC steering devices. Is this a fault of N4? Perhaps you can design a geared wheel that will give you the required range of motion, but don't blame papy. BTW I usually try to set the car up so I don't have to make any right hand turns at either Mich or Dover :-). You also have the option to turn off the in-car wheel (unlike other sims). Mitch "Robert D. Baker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90sgaa$hqf$[email hidden]... > Sorry guys, I've lurked here a lot and read a bunch of threads aboutN4, > and I gotta wonder what the hell was going on when they released the demo. > I gotta suspect a large part of the game is going to be the AI; since > there ain't no AI in the demo, the physics is up to snuff (courtesy GPL, I > gather) and they finally did figure out that clicking on "Rendition - > Verite" just wasn't a huge happenin' kinda thing, that they could put outa

Quoted text (12 lines)

> demo that was better than, oh, say...well....put the mag disc back in and > find one. > > Dear god this is pathetic. Just look at the in-car wheel (forget > just how far you have it cranked to the right on your wheely-wheel) and > compare that with ANY in-car footage of any WC car for the last, oh, well, > as long as they've had in-car cameras. Yikes. It's beyond being anal about > accuracy, it's just stupid. > > I'll refrain from commenting on the grotesque sounds. Ugh. > > I kinda like the good old days, when demos were sales tools. This

is > some sort of freakish experiment. > >

Turn the damn thing off. Your Lap times will improve. Try it... It's far more distracting than you would think. -Larry "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c%uY5.3993$[email hidden]... > Maybe you should stick to "lurking". In case you missed it this isn't a > finished product. This is a pre-release alpha version of N4 it's notmeant > to be a "sales tool". How on earth you can consider anything in this sim > "pathetic" is beyond me. Granted there are a few things that I hope are > improved by the release date but as a whole it's a terrific demo. > > Papy hasn't been known to make very good decisions regarding supported > hardware for it's software (Rendition, Glide, A3D) come to mind. But...At > least they try to push the envelope. > > As far as the "wheely wheel" you mention goes it really isn't to difficult > to understand why the wheel doesn't turn as much as a cup car. It'scalled > limited range of motion on most PC steering devices. Is this a fault ofN4? > Perhaps you can design a geared wheel that will give you the requiredrange

Quoted text (13 lines)

> of motion, but don't blame papy. BTW I usually try to set the car up so I > don't have to make any right hand turns at either Mich or Dover :-). You > also have the option to turn off the in-car wheel (unlike other sims). > > Mitch > > > > "Robert D. Baker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:90sgaa$hqf$[email hidden]... > > Sorry guys, I've lurked here a lot and read a bunch of threads about > N4, > > and I gotta wonder what the hell was going on when they released the

demo. > > I gotta suspect a large part of the game is going to be the AI;since > > there ain't no AI in the demo, the physics is up to snuff (courtesy GPL,I > > gather) and they finally did figure out that clicking on "Rendition - > > Verite" just wasn't a huge happenin' kinda thing, that they could putout > a > > demo that was better than, oh, say...well....put the mag disc back inand > > find one. > > > > Dear god this is pathetic. Just look at the in-car wheel (forget > > just how far you have it cranked to the right on your wheely-wheel) and > > compare that with ANY in-car footage of any WC car for the last, oh,well, > > as long as they've had in-car cameras. Yikes. It's beyond being analabout > > accuracy, it's just stupid. > > > > I'll refrain from commenting on the grotesque sounds. Ugh. > > > > I kinda like the good old days, when demos were sales tools.This > is > > some sort of freakish experiment. > > > > > >

On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:34:35 -0500, "Robert D. Baker" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I kinda like the good old days, when demos were sales tools. This is >some sort of freakish experiment. Exactly. Read more closely. It's a TECH DEMO, not a game demo.

[email hidden] (Jeff Szarka) wrote: > Exactly. Read more closely. It's a TECH DEMO, not a game demo. Er... if the release date's still Feb then the demo pretty much represents what we'll be getting! There's not a lot of time left. I like it anyway <g>. Andrew McP

Actually the N4 Demo is the same demo that was previewed at E3, and you know how long ago that was, yes? On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:03 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), [email hidden] (Andrew MacPherson) wrote:

Quoted text (12 lines)

> > [email hidden] (Jeff Szarka) wrote: > >> Exactly. Read more closely. It's a TECH DEMO, not a game demo. > >Er... if the release date's still Feb then the demo pretty much represents >what we'll be getting! There's not a lot of time left. > >I like it anyway <g>. > >Andrew McP >

[email hidden] (Rich#8) wrote: > Actually the N4 Demo is the same demo that was previewed at E3, and > you know how long ago that was, yes? But that begs the question, what kind of a technology test is it if it doesn't represent a recent codebase? I'd imagine under the graphics hood it's a more recent build than E3... I may be wrong though. Andrew McP

Rich#8 wrote: > > Actually the N4 Demo is the same demo that was previewed at E3, and > you know how long ago that was, yes? > No, it's not the same demo.