N4 - 37.8s in Mich qualify, how the hell?

Ok, I'll be the first admit I'm not the greatest driver but I've been practicing my wheels off and wonder how in the heck do people get their blistering times? I'm on a Logitech FF joystick(with FF turned way down) and avg about 39 flat in the race. When really in a groove I can do a few 38.8s in a row and my all time best is 38.7xx. I see absolutely zero difference in my lap times in Qualifying as in the Race. Does everyone have some super secret Qualifying trick I don't know about? I've got setups coming out of my ass and none come even close to making up a .7 second difference in Qualifying over my race times. It usually amounts to whether I cut good lines or not but I still never usually come close to my personal record. Now using a joystick I don't expect to light the track on fire but I'd at least figure I could do improved hottish Qualify times like most others do.

Well my best lap at Mich is a 186.372, (using a TSW 2) and that is using a setup loose enough to go airborn at the start/finishline. I'm sure most out there are honest, but you can modify the traction settings in the track.ini and gain more speed. Which of course is cheating. We won't really know if the hotlappers are really good or just editing the traction,,, ohh well ! On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:19:03 -0600, Destroy <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Ok, I'll be the first admit I'm not the greatest driver but I've been >practicing my wheels off and wonder how in the heck do people get their >blistering times? I'm on a Logitech FF joystick(with FF turned way down) >and avg about 39 flat in the race. When really in a groove I can do a >few 38.8s in a row and my all time best is 38.7xx. > >I see absolutely zero difference in my lap times in Qualifying as in the >Race. Does everyone have some super secret Qualifying trick I don't know >about? I've got setups coming out of my ass and none come even close to >making up a .7 second difference in Qualifying over my race times. It >usually amounts to whether I cut good lines or not but I still never >usually come close to my personal record. > >Now using a joystick I don't expect to light the track on fire but I'd >at least figure I could do improved hottish Qualify times like most >others do. >

And people complaing about a lousey GPL engine swapper!! "Rich#8" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Well my best lap at Mich is a 186.372, (using a TSW 2) and that is > using a setup loose enough to go airborn at the start/finishline. > > I'm sure most out there are honest, but you can modify the traction > settings in the track.ini and gain more speed. Which of course is > cheating. > > We won't really know if the hotlappers are really good or just editing > the traction,,, ohh well ! > > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:19:03 -0600, Destroy <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Ok, I'll be the first admit I'm not the greatest driver but I've been > >practicing my wheels off and wonder how in the heck do people get their > >blistering times? I'm on a Logitech FF joystick(with FF turned way down) > >and avg about 39 flat in the race. When really in a groove I can do a > >few 38.8s in a row and my all time best is 38.7xx. > > > >I see absolutely zero difference in my lap times in Qualifying as in the > >Race. Does everyone have some super secret Qualifying trick I don't know > >about? I've got setups coming out of my ass and none come even close to > >making up a .7 second difference in Qualifying over my race times. It > >usually amounts to whether I cut good lines or not but I still never > >usually come close to my personal record. > > > >Now using a joystick I don't expect to light the track on fire but I'd > >at least figure I could do improved hottish Qualify times like most > >others do. > > >

I ran a 37.9 in qualifying and I did not edit the track grip files. During the race I can turn 38.3s with my race engine, it's just a damn good setup... Thanks, Aaron Markham *Kart44* --------------------------------------- Inaugural Talladega Tournament 2000 Champion Weekly Competitor at www.ameliamotorraceway.com *In Memory of Ayrton Senna 1960-1994* "Rich#8" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Well my best lap at Mich is a 186.372, (using a TSW 2) and that is > using a setup loose enough to go airborn at the start/finishline. > > I'm sure most out there are honest, but you can modify the traction > settings in the track.ini and gain more speed. Which of course is > cheating. > > We won't really know if the hotlappers are really good or just editing > the traction,,, ohh well ! > > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:19:03 -0600, Destroy <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Ok, I'll be the first admit I'm not the greatest driver but I've been > >practicing my wheels off and wonder how in the heck do people get their > >blistering times? I'm on a Logitech FF joystick(with FF turned way down) > >and avg about 39 flat in the race. When really in a groove I can do a > >few 38.8s in a row and my all time best is 38.7xx. > > > >I see absolutely zero difference in my lap times in Qualifying as in the > >Race. Does everyone have some super secret Qualifying trick I don't know > >about? I've got setups coming out of my ass and none come even close to > >making up a .7 second difference in Qualifying over my race times. It > >usually amounts to whether I cut good lines or not but I still never > >usually come close to my personal record. > > > >Now using a joystick I don't expect to light the track on fire but I'd > >at least figure I could do improved hottish Qualify times like most > >others do. > > > >

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>Ok, I'll be the first admit I'm not the greatest driver but I've been >practicing my wheels off and wonder how in the heck do people get their >blistering times? I'm on a Logitech FF joystick(with FF turned way down) >and avg about 39 flat in the race. When really in a groove I can do a >few 38.8s in a row and my all time best is 38.7xx. > >I see absolutely zero difference in my lap times in Qualifying as in the >Race. Does everyone have some super secret Qualifying trick I don't know >about? I've got setups coming out of my ass and none come even close to >making up a .7 second difference in Qualifying over my race times. It >usually amounts to whether I cut good lines or not but I still never >usually come close to my personal record. >

This is exactly what I thought would happen. N4 is so realistic that people are finding out that ( big surprise) the NASCAR drivers are in a different league than they are. Just as people are upset they can't beat Jimmy Clark, they will be upset they can't be Mark Martin. I've done a 38.6 (race engine). Looking at the replay I can see the mistakes that cost me a 38.3. I can see how a better driver could handle a looser car and drop into the 37s. I expect the top ten in NASCAR could do it easily, even with my overly pushy setup. N4 lets you see that, if one of the poor souls who routinely finish 25th got a chance to drive Jeff Gordon's car, they would - put it into the wall, backwards. Real simulations are hell, aren't they :-). bob

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> > I ran a 37.9 in qualifying and I did not edit the track grip files. During > the race I can turn 38.3s with my race engine, it's just a damn good > setup... > > Thanks, > Aaron Markham *Kart44* > --------------------------------------- > Inaugural Talladega Tournament 2000 Champion > Weekly Competitor at www.ameliamotorraceway.com > > *In Memory of Ayrton Senna 1960-1994* > "Rich#8" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Well my best lap at Mich is a 186.372, (using a TSW 2) and that is > > using a setup loose enough to go airborn at the start/finishline. > > > > I'm sure most out there are honest, but you can modify the traction > > settings in the track.ini and gain more speed. Which of course is > > cheating. > > > > We won't really know if the hotlappers are really good or just editing > > the traction,,, ohh well !

I'm also one of the people doing the 37.8's in qualifying. I promise you we haven't touched the track grip or any other cheating ways. It's just a good setup that sticks into the corners. It's also pretty much on the edge through the whole corner and you have to hit the line right on. The difference in a 37.8 and a 38.1 is probably about half a foot off the line. Even with a good setup it's no where near easy to do. -- Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) http://www.barc-oc.com http://www.casc.on.ca

Alan, how fast can you go with the stock BHMS Michigan setup? It says it can do 186 (not sure what time that is), but Jure's replay is a 189 - YIKES. All I need to know is that someone else can run low 48's with that setup the way it is, and I will continue to work on my line. I've yet to begin tweaking the setup. I think I need to learn how to drive this thing first <g>. David Cook "Alan Orton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Aaron Markham wrote: > > > > I ran a 37.9 in qualifying and I did not edit the track grip files.During

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> > the race I can turn 38.3s with my race engine, it's just a damn good > > setup... > > > > Thanks, > > Aaron Markham *Kart44* > > --------------------------------------- > > Inaugural Talladega Tournament 2000 Champion > > Weekly Competitor at www.ameliamotorraceway.com > > > > *In Memory of Ayrton Senna 1960-1994* > > "Rich#8" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Well my best lap at Mich is a 186.372, (using a TSW 2) and that is > > > using a setup loose enough to go airborn at the start/finishline. > > > > > > I'm sure most out there are honest, but you can modify the traction > > > settings in the track.ini and gain more speed. Which of course is > > > cheating. > > > > > > We won't really know if the hotlappers are really good or just editing > > > the traction,,, ohh well ! > > > I'm also one of the people doing the 37.8's in qualifying. I promise you > we haven't touched the track grip or any other cheating ways. It's just > a good setup that sticks into the corners. It's also pretty much on the > edge through the whole corner and you have to hit the line right on. The > difference in a 37.8 and a 38.1 is probably about half a foot off the > line. Even with a good setup it's no where near easy to do. > > > > -- > Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) > http://www.barc-oc.com > http://www.casc.on.ca

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> > Alan, how fast can you go with the stock BHMS Michigan setup? It says it > can do 186 (not sure what time that is), but Jure's replay is a 189 - YIKES. > > All I need to know is that someone else can run low 48's with that setup the > way it is, and I will continue to work on my line. I've yet to begin > tweaking the setup. I think I need to learn how to drive this thing first > <g>. > > David Cook

Hi, David. The best I could do with the BMHS stock setup is a 186.034(38.673sec). I was mostly in the 185.6 range(38.757sec). The setup is really tight in the middle and off. I looked at the setup and the rf spring is ridiculously stiff. I think he did it to make it easier to enter the corners but you end up sufffering big time in the middle and off. Try lowering the rf spring to 1100 and your times will probably drop a tenth or 2. with a 1100lb rf spring I did a 186.831(38.508) and was doing consitent low to mid 186's for 15 straight laps. I tried going lower(900) with the rf spring and did a 187(38.4sec) but it was getting pretty loose and couldn't get the power down when I wanted and had to have a slight lift at times. If the softer front spring is making it hard for you to enter the corner either release the throttle slower and balance the car with the gas. For example, if the car is tight release the gas, if it's starting to get loose add some gas. Or you can increase the front bumps and move weight forward. With a couple more tweaks to the springs you could do mid 187 race laps and I would guess in qual trim a possible high 188 low 189. Goodluck -- Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) http://www.barc-oc.com http://www.casc.on.ca

Cool Alan! I'm on it as soon as I get home today. Thanks for the tips :) David Cook "Alan Orton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David L. Cook wrote: > > > > Alan, how fast can you go with the stock BHMS Michigan setup? It saysit > > can do 186 (not sure what time that is), but Jure's replay is a 189 -YIKES. > > > > All I need to know is that someone else can run low 48's with that setupthe > > way it is, and I will continue to work on my line. I've yet to begin > > tweaking the setup. I think I need to learn how to drive this thingfirst

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> > <g>. > > > > David Cook > > Hi, David. The best I could do with the BMHS stock setup is a > 186.034(38.673sec). I was mostly in the 185.6 range(38.757sec). The > setup is really tight in the middle and off. > I looked at the setup and the rf spring is ridiculously stiff. I think > he did it to make it easier to enter the corners but you end up > sufffering big time in the middle and off. Try lowering the rf spring to > 1100 and your times will probably drop a tenth or 2. with a 1100lb rf > spring I did a 186.831(38.508) and was doing consitent low to mid 186's > for 15 straight laps. I tried going lower(900) with the rf spring and > did a 187(38.4sec) but it was getting pretty loose and couldn't get the > power down when I wanted and had to have a slight lift at times. > If the softer front spring is making it hard for you to enter the corner > either release the throttle slower and balance the car with the gas. For > example, if the car is tight release the gas, if it's starting to get > loose add some gas. Or you can increase the front bumps and move weight > forward. > With a couple more tweaks to the springs you could do mid 187 race laps > and I would guess in qual trim a possible high 188 low 189. > > Goodluck > > -- > Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) > http://www.barc-oc.com > http://www.casc.on.ca

>"Rich#8" <[email hidden]> wrote > I'm sure most out there are honest, but you can modify the traction > settings in the track.ini and gain more speed. Which of course is > cheating. When racing on a client/server multiplayer architecture, the host will force any modification to it's own track.ini (or fixed setups, or many other stuff actually) by uploading it to every client. It is not possible to do such thing unless you race offline by your own. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

>"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote > And people complaing about a lousey GPL engine swapper!! Considering this "cheat" is only done to yourself as it can be only achieved offline or in a level-field server (where everybody races with the same modified grip, which brings many new alternatives), there ain't really a problem. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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>Well my best lap at Mich is a 186.372, (using a TSW 2) and that is >using a setup loose enough to go airborn at the start/finishline. > >I'm sure most out there are honest, but you can modify the traction >settings in the track.ini and gain more speed. Which of course is >cheating. > >We won't really know if the hotlappers are really good or just editing >the traction,,, ohh well !

Are you kidding? It's *that* easy to cheat?<sigh> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +40.48 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

One thing I think we'll find with N4, is a much greater variance with user setups. What works and feels right for one person, may be a dog to another. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:918775$acs$[email hidden]... > Alan, how fast can you go with the stock BHMS Michigan setup? It says it > can do 186 (not sure what time that is), but Jure's replay is a 189 - YIKES. > > All I need to know is that someone else can run low 48's with that setup the > way it is, and I will continue to work on my line. I've yet to begin > tweaking the setup. I think I need to learn how to drive this thing first > <g>. > > David Cook > > "Alan Orton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Aaron Markham wrote: > > > > > > I ran a 37.9 in qualifying and I did not edit the track grip files. > During > > > the race I can turn 38.3s with my race engine, it's just a damn good > > > setup... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Aaron Markham *Kart44* > > > --------------------------------------- > > > Inaugural Talladega Tournament 2000 Champion > > > Weekly Competitor at www.ameliamotorraceway.com > > > > > > *In Memory of Ayrton Senna 1960-1994* > > > "Rich#8" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Well my best lap at Mich is a 186.372, (using a TSW 2) and that is > > > > using a setup loose enough to go airborn at the start/finishline. > > > > > > > > I'm sure most out there are honest, but you can modify the traction > > > > settings in the track.ini and gain more speed. Which of course is > > > > cheating. > > > > > > > > We won't really know if the hotlappers are really good or just editing > > > > the traction,,, ohh well ! > > > > > > I'm also one of the people doing the 37.8's in qualifying. I promise you > > we haven't touched the track grip or any other cheating ways. It's just > > a good setup that sticks into the corners. It's also pretty much on the > > edge through the whole corner and you have to hit the line right on. The > > difference in a 37.8 and a 38.1 is probably about half a foot off the > > line. Even with a good setup it's no where near easy to do. > > > > > > > > -- > > Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) > > http://www.barc-oc.com > > http://www.casc.on.ca > >

Well I'll be damned. I was wondering where those 189 laps were coming from :( Hopefully the release will have a catch in it for this crap. -Larry "Rich#8" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Well my best lap at Mich is a 186.372, (using a TSW 2) and that is > using a setup loose enough to go airborn at the start/finishline. > > I'm sure most out there are honest, but you can modify the traction > settings in the track.ini and gain more speed. Which of course is > cheating. > > We won't really know if the hotlappers are really good or just editing > the traction,,, ohh well ! > > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:19:03 -0600, Destroy <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Ok, I'll be the first admit I'm not the greatest driver but I've been > >practicing my wheels off and wonder how in the heck do people get their > >blistering times? I'm on a Logitech FF joystick(with FF turned way down) > >and avg about 39 flat in the race. When really in a groove I can do a > >few 38.8s in a row and my all time best is 38.7xx. > > > >I see absolutely zero difference in my lap times in Qualifying as in the > >Race. Does everyone have some super secret Qualifying trick I don't know > >about? I've got setups coming out of my ass and none come even close to > >making up a .7 second difference in Qualifying over my race times. It > >usually amounts to whether I cut good lines or not but I still never > >usually come close to my personal record. > > > >Now using a joystick I don't expect to light the track on fire but I'd > >at least figure I could do improved hottish Qualify times like most > >others do. > > >

LOL! I'm running 600 on the rf and 550 on the lf :) -Larry "Alan Orton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David L. Cook wrote: > > > > Alan, how fast can you go with the stock BHMS Michigan setup? It saysit > > can do 186 (not sure what time that is), but Jure's replay is a 189 -YIKES. > > > > All I need to know is that someone else can run low 48's with that setupthe > > way it is, and I will continue to work on my line. I've yet to begin > > tweaking the setup. I think I need to learn how to drive this thingfirst

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> > <g>. > > > > David Cook > > Hi, David. The best I could do with the BMHS stock setup is a > 186.034(38.673sec). I was mostly in the 185.6 range(38.757sec). The > setup is really tight in the middle and off. > I looked at the setup and the rf spring is ridiculously stiff. I think > he did it to make it easier to enter the corners but you end up > sufffering big time in the middle and off. Try lowering the rf spring to > 1100 and your times will probably drop a tenth or 2. with a 1100lb rf > spring I did a 186.831(38.508) and was doing consitent low to mid 186's > for 15 straight laps. I tried going lower(900) with the rf spring and > did a 187(38.4sec) but it was getting pretty loose and couldn't get the > power down when I wanted and had to have a slight lift at times. > If the softer front spring is making it hard for you to enter the corner > either release the throttle slower and balance the car with the gas. For > example, if the car is tight release the gas, if it's starting to get > loose add some gas. Or you can increase the front bumps and move weight > forward. > With a couple more tweaks to the springs you could do mid 187 race laps > and I would guess in qual trim a possible high 188 low 189. > > Goodluck > > -- > Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) > http://www.barc-oc.com > http://www.casc.on.ca

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>Well I'll be damned. > >I was wondering where those 189 laps were coming from :( > >Hopefully the release will have a catch in it for this crap. > >-Larry

Well, I haven't touched the track.ini file and I've gotten up to 189 or so. 37.802 seconds. It takes a good setup. And a light fuel load. :) ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com

My best race lap at MIS is a 187.7 with 20% tape and in the draft, and I'll be able to do it in the full release as well. Some of those guys are taping up to 100% grill tape in races as well because the damage is off the engine won't blow. But those people are cheating themselves, when the full release is here they will be lost, and playing catch up sux!! -- Jeff Eiland Georgia Boot #51 "Knights of the Round Track" http://www.paladinracing.com "Pabst Racing Test Driver" "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iEX_5.68664$[email hidden]... > Well I'll be damned. > > I was wondering where those 189 laps were coming from :( > > Hopefully the release will have a catch in it for this crap. > > -Larry > > "Rich#8" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Well my best lap at Mich is a 186.372, (using a TSW 2) and that is > > using a setup loose enough to go airborn at the start/finishline. > > > > I'm sure most out there are honest, but you can modify the traction > > settings in the track.ini and gain more speed. Which of course is > > cheating. > > > > We won't really know if the hotlappers are really good or just editing > > the traction,,, ohh well ! > > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:19:03 -0600, Destroy <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Ok, I'll be the first admit I'm not the greatest driver but I've been > > >practicing my wheels off and wonder how in the heck do people get their > > >blistering times? I'm on a Logitech FF joystick(with FF turned way down) > > >and avg about 39 flat in the race. When really in a groove I can do a > > >few 38.8s in a row and my all time best is 38.7xx. > > > > > >I see absolutely zero difference in my lap times in Qualifying as in the > > >Race. Does everyone have some super secret Qualifying trick I don't know > > >about? I've got setups coming out of my ass and none come even close to > > >making up a .7 second difference in Qualifying over my race times. It > > >usually amounts to whether I cut good lines or not but I still never > > >usually come close to my personal record. > > > > > >Now using a joystick I don't expect to light the track on fire but I'd > > >at least figure I could do improved hottish Qualify times like most > > >others do. > > > > > > >

It doesn't make much sense to work on a Qual setup with 2 laps of fuel either if the game is going to force a full tank on us. I can't understand that one... David Cook "Jeff Eiland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3Iu%5.18339$[email hidden]... > My best race lap at MIS is a 187.7 with 20% tape and in the draft, andI'll > be able to do it in the full release as well. Some of those guys aretaping > up to 100% grill tape in races as well because the damage is off theengine > won't blow. But those people are cheating themselves, when the fullrelease

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> is here they will be lost, and playing catch up sux!! > > -- > Jeff Eiland > Georgia Boot #51 > "Knights of the Round Track" > http://www.paladinracing.com > > "Pabst Racing Test Driver" > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iEX_5.68664$[email hidden]... > > Well I'll be damned. > > > > I was wondering where those 189 laps were coming from :( > > > > Hopefully the release will have a catch in it for this crap. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Rich#8" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Well my best lap at Mich is a 186.372, (using a TSW 2) and that is > > > using a setup loose enough to go airborn at the start/finishline. > > > > > > I'm sure most out there are honest, but you can modify the traction > > > settings in the track.ini and gain more speed. Which of course is > > > cheating. > > > > > > We won't really know if the hotlappers are really good or just editing > > > the traction,,, ohh well ! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:19:03 -0600, Destroy <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Ok, I'll be the first admit I'm not the greatest driver but I've been > > > >practicing my wheels off and wonder how in the heck do people get

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> > > >blistering times? I'm on a Logitech FF joystick(with FF turned way > down) > > > >and avg about 39 flat in the race. When really in a groove I can do a > > > >few 38.8s in a row and my all time best is 38.7xx. > > > > > > > >I see absolutely zero difference in my lap times in Qualifying as in > the > > > >Race. Does everyone have some super secret Qualifying trick I don't > know > > > >about? I've got setups coming out of my ass and none come even close

to > > > >making up a .7 second difference in Qualifying over my race times. It > > > >usually amounts to whether I cut good lines or not but I still never > > > >usually come close to my personal record. > > > > > > > >Now using a joystick I don't expect to light the track on fire butI'd

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> > > >at least figure I could do improved hottish Qualify times like most > > > >others do. > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>It doesn't make much sense to work on a Qual setup with 2 laps of fuel >either if the game is going to force a full tank on us. I can't understand >that one... > >David Cook Not really qualifying. It's hotlapping. :) ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com