GPLRank: what should we do about the "swapper patch"?

Hi, I've set up a new poll so you can cast your vote on what we're supposed to do about the engine swapper patch with regard to gplrank. Please let us know by pointing your browser to http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/cgi-reg/poll.cgi thanks, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ GnuPG Fingerprint: 2093 20B8 B861 9358 A356 B01A E145 9249 5D27 33EA PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:05:33 +0100, [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote:

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>Hi, > >I've set up a new poll so you can cast your vote on what we're >supposed to do about the engine swapper patch with regard to >gplrank. > >Please let us know by pointing your browser to > >http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/cgi-reg/poll.cgi > >thanks, > >uwe

I wonder who voted for the 'what patch?' option... Andre > > >-- >Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ >GnuPG Fingerprint: 2093 20B8 B861 9358 A356 B01A E145 9249 5D27 33EA >PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

[email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote: >Hi, > >I've set up a new poll so you can cast your vote on what we're >supposed to do about the engine swapper patch with regard to >gplrank. > I voted 'NO!!!!!!'. But I'd like to give some reasons too...I use the gplrank for my own amusement, comparing my laps to papyrus benchmark, the WR and to a few friends. I know that benchmark drivers didn't cheat, the WRs are probably quite valid, and my friends don't cheat. So the 'cheat' doesn't affect my enjoyment of gplrank in the least. Probably most gplrank users use it in the same fashion? I don't care if someone 'cheats' and manages to get to position 37 in the overall ranking by using brabham-dfv, it doesn't affect my times, benchmark times or my friends' times... It takes SO LONG TIME to achieve a negative handicap that I'm bound to believe there's no motivation for MOST people to cheat - GPL is 'above' cheating :). VROC races might be different for some....ah well, maybe I'm too optimistic, but it's just me. Jussi Lassila

On 13 Dec 2000 09:44:35 GMT, [email hidden] (Jussi Lassila) wrote:

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>[email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I've set up a new poll so you can cast your vote on what we're >>supposed to do about the engine swapper patch with regard to >>gplrank. >> > >I voted 'NO!!!!!!'. But I'd like to give some reasons too...I use the >gplrank for my own amusement, comparing my laps to papyrus benchmark, the >WR and to a few friends. I know that benchmark drivers didn't cheat, the >WRs are probably quite valid, and my friends don't cheat. So the 'cheat' >doesn't affect my enjoyment of gplrank in the least. Probably most gplrank >users use it in the same fashion?

I do :) Well said. There are quite some bogus laptimes on GPLRank, but I think that mostly because some people are too lazy to remove their railriding and warped laps. Just as you do I use GPLRank for my own improvement (boy did it feel good to get a negative handicap!) and to compare my laps to those of my friends and to those of the guys who are in my league. I can see no reaons why GPLRank should shut down because of the engine swappah. Why bother cheating with faster engines when it's so easy to manually edit your laptimes? Andre

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> >I don't care if someone 'cheats' and manages to get to position 37 in the >overall ranking by using brabham-dfv, it doesn't affect my times, benchmark >times or my friends' times... > >It takes SO LONG TIME to achieve a negative handicap that I'm bound to >believe there's no motivation for MOST people to cheat - GPL is 'above' >cheating :). VROC races might be different for some....ah well, maybe I'm >too optimistic, but it's just me. > > >Jussi Lassila

>"Jussi Lassila" <[email hidden]> wrote > I voted 'NO!!!!!!'. But I'd like to give some reasons too...I use the > gplrank for my own amusement, comparing my laps to papyrus benchmark, the > WR and to a few friends. Thank you, I thought I was the only one who used principally GPLRank for that. It's even for myself, I haven't updated my stuff for about 4months now. I'm checking my friends, how they increase their times, I'm checking Eldred also. Speaking of that, ouch he's cathching me! Oh the horror ;-D Darnit just a little bit more then a second on me! Yowza I need to update my times, I'll go from 38 to around 15. Betcha them guys are gonna think I've swapped my engine <g>. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote: > Please let us know by pointing your browser to > > http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/cgi-reg/poll.cgi But be certain only to vote once! Otherwise you wont get any christmas presents! :( Happened to me when I hit refesh after the connection seemed to time out: "Martin Granberg, you have already voted in this poll! The tribe police and Father Christmas have been notified of your misbehaviour. Expect the black helicopters and a dire lack of presents soon." LOL! :) Cheers, /Martin Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:05:33 +0100, [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote: >I've set up a new poll so you can cast your vote on what we're >supposed to do about the engine swapper patch with regard to >gplrank. > I've voted no shut down, but need to say more. People could cheat GPLRank in so many ways. Don't worry about it. It's not a problem except to the top ten guys and the overly compulsive. It would be a crime to shut it down, since it's so useful to many people, cheating or no. Many people are focused on comparing to the benchmark or their friends or their past. Thanks. bob april

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:14:38 GMT, Martin Granberg <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote: > >> Please let us know by pointing your browser to >> >> http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/cgi-reg/poll.cgi > >But be certain only to vote once! Otherwise you wont get any christmas >presents! :(

I know, found it out the hard way :) >Happened to me when I hit refesh after the connection seemed to time >out: Same happened here (before you guys start to think that I want to influence the poll :) Andre

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>"Martin Granberg, you have already voted in this poll! > >The tribe police and Father Christmas have been notified of your >misbehaviour. >Expect the black helicopters and a dire lack of presents soon." > >LOL! :) > >Cheers, > >/Martin > > >Sent via Deja.com >http://www.deja.com/

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>"Jussi Lassila" <[email hidden]> wrote >> I voted 'NO!!!!!!'. But I'd like to give some reasons too...I use the >> gplrank for my own amusement, comparing my laps to papyrus benchmark, the >> WR and to a few friends. >Thank you, I thought I was the only one who used principally GPLRank for >that.

So do I! I guess there are lots of us, who use GPLRank just that way. Arto

In article <8hKZ5.2505$[email hidden]>, ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote: >now. I'm checking my friends, how they increase their times, I'm checking Your friends increase their times??? Didn�t you tell them it�s about *lowering* your lap times? That explains the steadily climbing avg. handicap over the last couple of months ;-) cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ GnuPG Fingerprint: 2093 20B8 B861 9358 A356 B01A E145 9249 5D27 33EA PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

In article <917snq$fe6$[email hidden]>, Martin Granberg <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote: > >> Please let us know by pointing your browser to >> >> http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/cgi-reg/poll.cgi > >But be certain only to vote once! Otherwise you wont get any christmas >presents! :( > >Happened to me when I hit refesh after the connection seemed to time >out: > >"Martin Granberg, you have already voted in this poll!

Hey Martin, if you get this message your vote has been registered. So don�t worry about a) your vote not being counted b) not getting any presents! ;-) cheers, uwe PS: Have you checked the KMFMS link? you can buy a T-Shirt with that lovely image on it (yep, I have one ;-) -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ GnuPG Fingerprint: 2093 20B8 B861 9358 A356 B01A E145 9249 5D27 33EA PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

In article <8hKZ5.2505$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Thank you, I thought I was the only one who used principally GPLRank for >that. It's even for myself, I haven't updated my stuff for about 4months >now. I'm checking my friends, how they increase their times, I'm checking >Eldred also. Speaking of that, ouch he's cathching me! Oh the horror ;-D >Darnit just a little bit more then a second on me! Yowza I need to update my >times, I'll go from 38 to around 15. Betcha them guys are gonna think I've >swapped my engine <g>.

Hehe...I still have to find another second and a half to get past you...<Curses!> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +40.48 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

LOL Uwe! "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <8hKZ5.2505$[email hidden]>, > ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >now. I'm checking my friends, how they increase their times, I'mchecking

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> > Your friends increase their times??? Didn�t you tell them it�s > about *lowering* your lap times? That explains the steadily > climbing avg. handicap over the last couple of months ;-) > > cheers, > > uwe > -- > Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > GnuPG Fingerprint: 2093 20B8 B861 9358 A356 B01A E145 9249 5D27 33EA > PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61