1967 Benchmark for GPLRank

Hi all, Always wanted to compare your times to the actual 1967 times? Here's your chance! I've created a GPLRank account with the laptimes (Qual and Race) of the actual 1967 events (with the 1968 Rouen event replacing the real event at Le Mans). The username is 1967benchmark. If there are any errors in the times please let me know! Now go and and this to your buddy list :-) Cheers, Herko

Was Kyalami a different layout back then? 1:28 seems pretty darn slow! "Herko ter Horst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zUPZ5.224295$nj7.2630257@Flipper...

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> Hi all, > > Always wanted to compare your times to the actual 1967 times? Here's your > chance! > > I've created a GPLRank account with the laptimes (Qual and Race) of the > actual 1967 events (with the 1968 Rouen event replacing the real event at

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> Mans). The username is 1967benchmark. > > If there are any errors in the times please let me know! > > Now go and and this to your buddy list :-) > > Cheers, > > Herko > > >

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:14:39 GMT, "Herko ter Horst" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I've created a GPLRank account with the laptimes (Qual and Race) of the >actual 1967 events (with the 1968 Rouen event replacing the real event at Le >Mans). The username is 1967benchmark. Great idea! Thanks :) Cheers, /Martin

"Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40QZ5.525$[email hidden]... > Was Kyalami a different layout back then? 1:28 seems pretty darn slow! Most of the grid would have been in a different configuration at the start of the season then is modeled in GPL: Lotus was running the 43 with the BRM engine, Gurney was running the Climax engine, Brabham was running last years car, Ferrari didn't show at all etc......

Kyalami is at an altitude of 1700 metres which affects an engines performance due to the thin air. When you drive to Johannesburg from the coast you can feel the difference in performance due to this. GPL doesn't model the different altitudes of tracks so the motors have the same power at all circuits as if they are at sea level. There is a line in the track.ini files in GPL for track altitude, this was obviously a feature that was left out of the final release. Chris -- www.geocities.com/simbokza Remove _your_clothes before replying "Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40QZ5.525$[email hidden]... > Was Kyalami a different layout back then? 1:28 seems pretty darn slow! > > "Herko ter Horst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zUPZ5.224295$nj7.2630257@Flipper... > > Hi all, > > > > Always wanted to compare your times to the actual 1967 times? Here's your > > chance! > > > > I've created a GPLRank account with the laptimes (Qual and Race) of the > > actual 1967 events (with the 1968 Rouen event replacing the real event at > Le > > Mans). The username is 1967benchmark. > > > > If there are any errors in the times please let me know! > > > > Now go and and this to your buddy list :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Herko > > > > > > > >

In article <zUPZ5.224295$nj7.2630257@Flipper>, Herko ter Horst <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Now go and and this to your buddy list :-) > >Cheers, > >Herko > > >

wow, these guys were fast! Incredible, thanks for creating the account, Herko. Cheers, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ GnuPG Fingerprint: 2093 20B8 B861 9358 A356 B01A E145 9249 5D27 33EA PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Herko ter Horst" <[email hidden]> writes: >I've created a GPLRank account with the laptimes (Qual and Race) of the >actual 1967 events (with the 1968 Rouen event replacing the real event at Le >Mans). The username is 1967benchmark. Great! Thanks! Very nice idea! And I am better in one place: Kyalami! -0.720. I guess this is first time I am "better" in anything in GPLRank.... Well it was the the first race of the season and they used still -66 cars.. >If there are any errors in the times please let me know! Or perhaps there is an error... ;-) Arto

Rob, given the specs of the engines (Cosworth introduced at Zandvoort in '67) it is better to compare it with '68. Clark his pole was then 1:21.6 Cheers, Richard "Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40QZ5.525$[email hidden]...

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> Was Kyalami a different layout back then? 1:28 seems pretty darn slow! > > "Herko ter Horst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zUPZ5.224295$nj7.2630257@Flipper... > > Hi all, > > > > Always wanted to compare your times to the actual 1967 times? Here's

your > > chance! > > > > I've created a GPLRank account with the laptimes (Qual and Race) of the > > actual 1967 events (with the 1968 Rouen event replacing the real eventat

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> Le > > Mans). The username is 1967benchmark. > > > > If there are any errors in the times please let me know! > > > > Now go and and this to your buddy list :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Herko > > > > > > > >

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:54:57 +0100, [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote:

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>In article <zUPZ5.224295$nj7.2630257@Flipper>, >Herko ter Horst <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Now go and and this to your buddy list :-) >> >>Cheers, >> >>Herko >> >> >> > >wow, these guys were fast! Incredible, thanks for creating >the account, Herko. >

The amazing thing to think of is that, when these guys messed up, death was a very real possibility. We GPL'ers just swear a bit. The guys had balls the size of watermelons, to be sure. DG

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>Kyalami is at an altitude of 1700 metres which affects an engines >performance due to the thin air. When you drive to Johannesburg from the >coast you can feel the difference in performance due to this. > >GPL doesn't model the different altitudes of tracks so the motors have the >same power at all circuits as if they are at sea level. There is a line in >the track.ini files in GPL for track altitude, this was obviously a feature >that was left out of the final release. >

Huh? The cars cross s/f at 175+ and head seriously downhill, but they're only doing 192 at the end of the straight.. I would think they should be over 195 there. Something's going on. Maybe just not enough altitude compensation?

For reasons already explained, you should put the '68 time for Kyalami there to get an actual, realistic benchmark time for the GPL cars. (my apologies to Arto) +Cinquo

100 laps of Monaco going at that speed!! Weren't they using wings by the time they raced at Rouen in 68? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Presumably those are the fastest lap times (or qualifying), not the best average during the whole race! <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:91an1f$qe3$[email hidden]... > 100 laps of Monaco going at that speed!! Weren't they using wings by > the time they raced at Rouen in 68? > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/

OK, so I know why the 1967 Kyalami time was much slower than in GPL (they were using 1966 cars), but why is the Spa time so much slower? I read somewhere that the Honda was going well at Spa, but got behind at the start and then the radiator was holed by a stone thrown up by the leader. Why wasn't the Eagle fastest there, as it is in GPL? Maybe reality didn't live up to the accuracy of the simulation? :-o

"Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:668_5.48790$[email hidden]... > OK, so I know why the 1967 Kyalami time was much slower than in GPL (they > were using 1966 cars), but why is the Spa time so much slower? > Again, Honda was still using the older heavy RA273 chassis, Denny was using an older Brabham, etc.... Check out: http://www.isanski.freeserve.co.uk/frameset.htm Maybe somebody should add Gurney, Hulme, Stewart etc.. to GPL rank instead of one "pole" benchmark. Also if GPL has something wrong in it's speed/hp/aero modelling, Spa is going to be where is shows up. The idea that I (or likely any of us) could qualify on the front row of a GP, with no racing background, no depth perception (2D computer screen), no sense of acceleration or motion and no feedback from the brake, means the game isn't 100% realistic. Try driving your car with a patch over one eye, an inner ear infection and your left foot asleep and see how well you do.

>"Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote > The idea that I (or likely any of us) could qualify on the front row of a > GP, with no racing background, no depth perception (2D computer screen),no > sense of acceleration or motion and no feedback from the brake, means the > game isn't 100% realistic. But how many time did you "virtually" die in GPL, since you have no fear problems while racing in front of your monitor? Since you can test and test and test the limit of a car and have the chance to know where the edge is (by having no fear of going past it as you can simply restart the car), you have an incredible advantage that overtakes any of those virtual problems. Real life drivers couldn't shift-R. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

This should explain things better... http://lugnutsgpl.homestead.com/files/spa_aerial2.jpg Spa simply isn't accurate in GPL. I know Rouen isn't either, but it's mainly an elevation thing there, but Spa is fairly drastically out. I think the sweeper at Kya is a bit faster in GPL, however I do agree with the '66 cars theory. In '68 pole was a 21.6! The Spa comparison is interesting :O) My 2 cents, although it is worth less everyday ;O) Geordie "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:91b46a$6hn$[email hidden]... > > "Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:668_5.48790$[email hidden]... > > OK, so I know why the 1967 Kyalami time was much slower than in GPL(they > > were using 1966 cars), but why is the Spa time so much slower? > > > > Again, Honda was still using the older heavy RA273 chassis, Denny wasusing

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> an older Brabham, etc.... > > Check out: http://www.isanski.freeserve.co.uk/frameset.htm > > Maybe somebody should add Gurney, Hulme, Stewart etc.. to GPL rank instead > of one "pole" benchmark. > > Also if GPL has something wrong in it's speed/hp/aero modelling, Spa is > going to be where is shows up. > > The idea that I (or likely any of us) could qualify on the front row of a > GP, with no racing background, no depth perception (2D computer screen),

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> sense of acceleration or motion and no feedback from the brake, means the > game isn't 100% realistic. > > Try driving your car with a patch over one eye, an inner ear infection and > your left foot asleep and see how well you do. > > > >

In article <668_5.48789$[email hidden]>, "Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Presumably those are the fastest lap times (or qualifying), not thebest > average during the whole race! >it is very much faster than i can go again and again for 100 laps > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Neil Raine <[email hidden]> wrote: > OK, so I know why the 1967 Kyalami time was much slower than in GPL (they > were using 1966 cars), but why is the Spa time so much slower? Because they raced in Real Life. Real Life racing has a distinctive game feature that GPL lacks. It's called death and occurs with little effort when driving Masta at 295 kph. I've also heard that the track surface was fairly slippery, and that the track predated the current groundhog-laden Canada GP track by several decades in its invention of having fluffy animals wandering loose about the track. Yeah, I know, the teams could just have gone and installed cattle bumpers (or whatever you call those metal bars at the nose of all the ATVs) in the cars, but still.. > Why wasn't the Eagle fastest there, as it is in GPL? The car might've been, but the drivers weren't. And didn't Gurney win the race? +Cinquo

I'd go along with that - I have no illusions that the process of learning to drive GPL is anything like that of driving a real car. It's a clear indication that the sense of speed in the game, although excellent by computer game standards, is nothing like that of reality. I was *really* trying to drive carefully when I started, but I lost count of the number of times I just ploughed straight on in turns. It was great to learn Goodwood online a couple of days ago, driving it for the first time - I now have just enough skill in GPL to stay on the track while learning! "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Onf_5.84388$i%[email hidden]... > >"Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > The idea that I (or likely any of us) could qualify on the front row ofa > > GP, with no racing background, no depth perception (2D computer screen), > no > > sense of acceleration or motion and no feedback from the brake, meansthe > > game isn't 100% realistic. > > > But how many time did you "virtually" die in GPL, since you have no fear > problems while racing in front of your monitor? Since you can test andtest > and test the limit of a car and have the chance to know where the edge is > (by having no fear of going past it as you can simply restart the car),you

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> have an incredible advantage that overtakes any of those virtual problems. > > Real life drivers couldn't shift-R. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

This site covers the actual '67 GP races and '68 Rouen, great stuff (they broke 2:00 for the first time in practice, and a driver died in that race): http://www.isanski.freeserve.co.uk/frameset.htm rms [email hidden]

Ah, but do these images take into consisderation the projection? Hey that GIS stuff is paying off. :-) What I mean is any time you take a map (image of the world) it is not flat. You have taken a flat image of a round section of object and placed a flat object on top of it. Should they align? and are their projections the same? Heck for that matter has that section of Earth changed (streched/contracted), in the last 20 years? or is that an 1967 image? Sorry I realy need to seek help :-) SLG "Geordie Pugh" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>This should explain things better... >http://lugnutsgpl.homestead.com/files/spa_aerial2.jpg > >Spa simply isn't accurate in GPL. I know Rouen isn't either, but it's mainly >an elevation thing there, but Spa is fairly drastically out. I think the >sweeper at Kya is a bit faster in GPL, however I do agree with the '66 cars >theory. In '68 pole was a 21.6! The Spa comparison is interesting :O) > >My 2 cents, although it is worth less everyday ;O) > >Geordie > >"Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:91b46a$6hn$[email hidden]... >> >> "Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:668_5.48790$[email hidden]... >> > OK, so I know why the 1967 Kyalami time was much slower than in GPL >(they >> > were using 1966 cars), but why is the Spa time so much slower? >> > >> >> Again, Honda was still using the older heavy RA273 chassis, Denny was >using >> an older Brabham, etc.... >> >> Check out: http://www.isanski.freeserve.co.uk/frameset.htm >> >> Maybe somebody should add Gurney, Hulme, Stewart etc.. to GPL rank instead >> of one "pole" benchmark. >> >> Also if GPL has something wrong in it's speed/hp/aero modelling, Spa is >> going to be where is shows up. >> >> The idea that I (or likely any of us) could qualify on the front row of a >> GP, with no racing background, no depth perception (2D computer screen), >no >> sense of acceleration or motion and no feedback from the brake, means the >> game isn't 100% realistic. >> >> Try driving your car with a patch over one eye, an inner ear infection and >> your left foot asleep and see how well you do. >> >> >> >> > >

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The > guys had balls the size of watermelons, to be sure. I guess they wouldn't fit in modern F1 cockpits then...

Art McEwen wrote: > "Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:668_5.48790$[email hidden]... > > OK, so I know why the 1967 Kyalami time was much slower than in GPL (they > > were using 1966 cars), but why is the Spa time so much slower? I remember an early interview with Dave Kaemmer in which he said that they were never able to correctly tweak Spa to get the times right for some reason. > Again, Honda was still using the older heavy RA273 chassis, Denny was using > an older Brabham, etc.... Yeah, but the Lotus 49 and the Eagle-Weslake were there, and their times are way off. > Check out: http://www.isanski.freeserve.co.uk/frameset.htm One thing that's interesting when you read this is how quick Jackie Stewart was in the old lumbering BRM. Whatta guy! Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> writes: >> Check out: http://www.isanski.freeserve.co.uk/frameset.htm > >One thing that's interesting when you read this is how quick Jackie Stewart >was in the old lumbering BRM. Whatta guy! I don't see how ANYONE can drive the BRM. My GPLRank is 39.11, but with the BRM it's only 120.01... WAY off...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote > GPL F1 hcp. +39.11 I'm in deeeeeeeep trouble. GPL F1 hcp. +38.70 Time to load up some fastlaps I did with the Brabham powered by Honda <ducks from flames> ;) (Seriously I just don't have time to really race by myself, GPL once or twice per week and I experiment with different chassis most of the time, I know I can shovel 30seconds easily). Keep on the good work Eldred! If you EVER become negative I think we'll have a gigantic party for you. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> ... > > The > > guys had balls the size of watermelons, to be sure. > > I guess they wouldn't fit in modern F1 cockpits then... >Obviously that was Nigel Mansell's problem when he returned to F1... -- Tony Whitley GPLRank +12.8

In article <IL__5.82357$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote >> GPL F1 hcp. +39.11 > >I'm in deeeeeeeep trouble. > > >GPL F1 hcp. +38.70 > >Time to load up some fastlaps I did with the Brabham powered by Honda <ducks >from flames> >;) (Seriously I just don't have time to really race by myself, GPL once or >twice per week and I experiment with different chassis most of the time, I >know I can shovel 30seconds easily). Keep on the good work Eldred! If you >EVER become negative I think we'll have a gigantic party for you.

Hehe...thanks. I'll need a *very* lucky lap at the Ring to get negative. I don't see how I could do it only with the other tracks. That would take an avg. of 4 seconds each track. That isn't going to happen, that *I* can see... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (ymenard) wrote in <IL__5.82357$[email hidden]>: >I'm in deeeeeeeep trouble. Now I understand it! I've recently been having a recurring nightmare of a huge monster coming up behind and wanting to eat me. Eldred has participated in a couple of off season races with the league I'm in, and finished ahead of me both times. I realize now that the monster is the St. Eldreds Cup getting closer and closer. Scary, very scary. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -5.09 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

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>Now I understand it! >I've recently been having a recurring nightmare of a huge monster coming up >behind and wanting to eat me. >Eldred has participated in a couple of off season races with the league I'm >in, >and finished ahead of me both times. I realize now that the monster is the >St. >Eldreds Cup getting closer and closer. Scary, very scary.

Please... :) You got caught up in someone else's wreck both times, IIRC. I just got lucky to finish that well... At Road Atlanta, I was LAST of the people who finished, 2 laps down... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > I don't see how ANYONE can drive the BRM. My GPLRank is 39.11, but with the > BRM it's only 120.01... WAY off...<g> Damn, Eldred you passed me (GPL Rank 39.58). Where'd you make up the time? Looks like it's back to the Ring for me. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

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>EldredP wrote: > >> I don't see how ANYONE can drive the BRM. My GPLRank is 39.11, but with >the >> BRM it's only 120.01... WAY off...<g> > >Damn, Eldred you passed me (GPL Rank 39.58). Where'd you make up the time? >Looks >like it's back to the Ring for me.

8 seconds at the Ring, 1 at Spa...<shrug> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 19 Dec 2000 06:53:51 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> writes: > >>EldredP wrote: >> >>> I don't see how ANYONE can drive the BRM. My GPLRank is 39.11, but with >>the >>> BRM it's only 120.01... WAY off...<g> >> >>Damn, Eldred you passed me (GPL Rank 39.58). Where'd you make up the time? >>Looks >>like it's back to the Ring for me. > >8 seconds at the Ring, 1 at Spa...<shrug>

E-i-g-h-t seconds at the Ring and you're simply <shrugging>? Man, I'm going to practice at the Ring immediately, you're getting too close now.. Congrats :) Andre

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>Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >E-i-g-h-t seconds at the Ring and you're simply <shrugging>? >Man, I'm going to practice at the Ring immediately, you're getting too >close now.. >Congrats :) > I'm actually pissed that I can't get any faster. My fast lap STILL has a couple screwups in it. If I was to do everything the same, and eliminate that, it might be good for what, another 5 seconds(8:40)? I was hoping to get down to 8:20, or at lease 8:30. I don't see where I can make up another 10 seconds right now... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 19 Dec 2000 16:56:34 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >I'm actually pissed that I can't get any faster. My fast lap STILL has a >couple screwups in it. If I was to do everything the same, and eliminate that, >it might be good for what, another 5 seconds(8:40)? I was hoping to get down >to 8:20, or at lease 8:30. I don't see where I can make up another 10 seconds >right now... The big problem for me at the ring is that after half a lap I really have to focus on pushing that throttle pedal. When I do the first part of the Ring ok, I'm just too afraid to push it during the second half.. It's hard concentrating at top level for more than 8 minutes.. Andre >Eldred

Hi Eldred, 8:40 is pretty darn good! I only hit 8:29 when battling Michael Carver for position :) Man, that was a long time ago. When racing online, if you can hold a consistant 8:30-8:50 you'll be doing fine. Some of us aren't ment to do sub 8's. I'm one of them. Jason. EldredP wrote:

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre > Warringa) writes: > > >E-i-g-h-t seconds at the Ring and you're simply <shrugging>? > >Man, I'm going to practice at the Ring immediately, you're getting too > >close now.. > >Congrats :) > > > > I'm actually pissed that I can't get any faster. My fast lap STILL has a > couple screwups in it. If I was to do everything the same, and eliminate that, > it might be good for what, another 5 seconds(8:40)? I was hoping to get down > to 8:20, or at lease 8:30. I don't see where I can make up another 10 seconds > right now... > > Eldred

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In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes: >The big problem for me at the ring is that after half a lap I really >have to focus on pushing that throttle pedal. When I do the first part >of the Ring ok, I'm just too afraid to push it during the second >half.. It's hard concentrating at top level for more than 8 minutes.. > Yeah, today I ran an 8:46 with one spin, and an 8:45 clean. I'm amazed that I could almost make up the 6-7 seconds I lost with the spin. If I could figure out how to drive that way the whole lap, I'd be ok... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Jason Monds <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Hi Eldred, > >8:40 is pretty darn good! I only hit 8:29 when battling Michael Carver >for position :) Man, that was a long time ago. When racing online, if >you can hold a consistant 8:30-8:50 you'll be doing fine. Some of us >aren't ment to do sub 8's. I'm one of them. > >Jason.

Online? Add about 15 seconds. In a real race, I'm too worried about crashing, so I'm usually not very fast. Besides, there are very FEW 'Ring races served in VROC. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 20 Dec 2000 07:07:30 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Yeah, today I ran an 8:46 with one spin, and an 8:45 clean. I'm amazed that I >could almost make up the 6-7 seconds I lost with the spin. If I could figure >out how to drive that way the whole lap, I'd be ok... Buddy... that means that a 8:35 should really be possible for you!! My pb is 8:25 now, but most laps are in the 8:30 range.. damn, you're REALLY getting close now!! Keep practicing Eldred, you're getting there... Andre

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>Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Second that. JensSchumi On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:10:04 -0700, Jason Monds <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hi Eldred, > >8:40 is pretty darn good! I only hit 8:29 when battling Michael Carver >for position :) Man, that was a long time ago. When racing online, if >you can hold a consistant 8:30-8:50 you'll be doing fine. Some of us >aren't ment to do sub 8's. I'm one of them. > >Jason. >

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