Hello,
Yesterday I finally bought the V5 5500. Installation was free of
troubles, altought it almost didn't fit into my case due to the
homemade air duct from the front fan to the cpu-cooler :)
In GPL it was simply beautiful with 2xFSAA. When I turned it on using
the demo key after only 10 seconds, I couldn't believe that it looked
that bad.
However, I'm somewhat disappointed by the performance of the card. I
have a Cel566@850, and with 1024x768 2xFSAA, 2/3 details, car&track in
mirrors, and drivers arms and wheel off, the FPS counter was between
35-36. Not solid 36 in other words. Starting from behind i a full
field it was down to 30. Am I expecting too much with the 2xFSAA ?
I seem to remember that there was a V5 tweak guide at Eric Cote's
simracingmag, but couldn't find it. Anyone know of other resourses ?
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Olav K. Malmin
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"Olav K. Malmin" wrote:
The 35-36 figure could mean that you have vsync enabled on your card, so
it cannot give constant 36 fps. On the other hand, if you have detail
sliders high, I don't think it's the graphics card fill rate that limits
rendering, but the geometry transformations of the polygons on other
cars, which didn't gain anything from the new card.
What happens at 4xFSAA, what are the FPS results in this case?
-Gregor
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> > However, I'm somewhat disappointed by the performance of the card. I > have a Cel566@850, and with 1024x768 2xFSAA, 2/3 details, car&track in > mirrors, and drivers arms and wheel off, the FPS counter was between > 35-36. Not solid 36 in other words. Starting from behind i a full > field it was down to 30. Am I expecting too much with the 2xFSAA ? >Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> writes:
I think vsync was disabled. It may be that i pushed the details a bit
too far.
> What happens at 4xFSAA, what are the FPS results in this case?
Haven't tested that much yet. Actually, yesterday I mostly checked
that the card was working at all, since I also got Gladiator on DVD
and had to see it :)
More testing today. My goal will be to find a nice setup with solid 36
with 4x FSAA.
Good to be back with the cpu-is-the-limit situation :) PIII850's a
coming down in price now :)
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> "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > > However, I'm somewhat disappointed by the performance of the card. I > > have a Cel566@850, and with 1024x768 2xFSAA, 2/3 details, car&track in > > mirrors, and drivers arms and wheel off, the FPS counter was between > > 35-36. Not solid 36 in other words. Starting from behind i a full > > field it was down to 30. Am I expecting too much with the 2xFSAA ? > > > > The 35-36 figure could mean that you have vsync enabled on your card, so > it cannot give constant 36 fps. On the other hand, if you have detail > sliders high, I don't think it's the graphics card fill rate that limits > rendering, but the geometry transformations of the polygons on other > cars, which didn't gain anything from the new card.35-36 *is* constant 36fps. With every computer I have played GPL on, the
counter bounces between 35 and 36...it just seems like that is how it is. I
don't think you have hit any limit where the computer can only turn 35fps,
not 36...I have an Athlon 800 and V5 and with 4x FSAA I get constant 36
(read 35-36 jumping) fps...Also 30fps is good for starting behind a full
field...at least with your detail settings...when I turn EVERYTHING on to
full detail with 4x fsaa at the start of a full field at monaco, I get
something like 22fps...I turn everything down, though, so I can get top FPS
always.
JB
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> Hello, > > Yesterday I finally bought the V5 5500. Installation was free of > troubles, altought it almost didn't fit into my case due to the > homemade air duct from the front fan to the cpu-cooler :) > > In GPL it was simply beautiful with 2xFSAA. When I turned it on using > the demo key after only 10 seconds, I couldn't believe that it looked > that bad. > > However, I'm somewhat disappointed by the performance of the card. I > have a Cel566@850, and with 1024x768 2xFSAA, 2/3 details, car&track in > mirrors, and drivers arms and wheel off, the FPS counter was between > 35-36. Not solid 36 in other words. Starting from behind i a full > field it was down to 30. Am I expecting too much with the 2xFSAA ? > > I seem to remember that there was a V5 tweak guide at Eric Cote's > simracingmag, but couldn't find it. Anyone know of other resourses ? > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying > You definately will have to move up the cpu chart to get better framerates
with 4xfsaa. Most of the posters have settled on 2xfsaa and even 800x600 as
a sweetspot.
dave henrie
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> Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> writes: > > > "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > > > > However, I'm somewhat disappointed by the performance of the card. I > > > have a Cel566@850, and with 1024x768 2xFSAA, 2/3 details, car&track in > > > mirrors, and drivers arms and wheel off, the FPS counter was between > > > 35-36. Not solid 36 in other words. Starting from behind i a full > > > field it was down to 30. Am I expecting too much with the 2xFSAA ? > > > > > > > The 35-36 figure could mean that you have vsync enabled on your card, so > > it cannot give constant 36 fps. On the other hand, if you have detail > > sliders high, I don't think it's the graphics card fill rate that limits > > rendering, but the geometry transformations of the polygons on other > > cars, which didn't gain anything from the new card. > > I think vsync was disabled. It may be that i pushed the details a bit > too far. > > > What happens at 4xFSAA, what are the FPS results in this case? > > Haven't tested that much yet. Actually, yesterday I mostly checked > that the card was working at all, since I also got Gladiator on DVD > and had to see it :) > > More testing today. My goal will be to find a nice setup with solid 36 > with 4x FSAA. > > Good to be back with the cpu-is-the-limit situation :) PIII850's a > coming down in price now :) > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying
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> Hello, > > Yesterday I finally bought the V5 5500. Installation was free of > troubles, altought it almost didn't fit into my case due to the > homemade air duct from the front fan to the cpu-cooler :) > > In GPL it was simply beautiful with 2xFSAA. When I turned it on using > the demo key after only 10 seconds, I couldn't believe that it looked > that bad. > > However, I'm somewhat disappointed by the performance of the card. I > have a Cel566@850, and with 1024x768 2xFSAA, 2/3 details, car&track in > mirrors, and drivers arms and wheel off, the FPS counter was between > 35-36. Not solid 36 in other words. Starting from behind i a full > field it was down to 30. Am I expecting too much with the 2xFSAA ? > > I seem to remember that there was a V5 tweak guide at Eric Cote's > simracingmag, but couldn't find it. Anyone know of other resourses ? > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying >I had the same problem with my PIII650E@800. Try G. Smiley's glide wrapper
with top mirror setting. If you can get used to the mirror placement (I did
NP) you should be able to max the graphics running 1024x768 4xfsaa, although
I run 800x600 online just to be safe.... 1024x768 is do-able. Leaves little
doubt that the mirrors are the graphics bottleneck in GPL.
Ymmv.
DN
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> Hello, > > Yesterday I finally bought the V5 5500. Installation was free of > troubles, altought it almost didn't fit into my case due to the > homemade air duct from the front fan to the cpu-cooler :) > > In GPL it was simply beautiful with 2xFSAA. When I turned it on using > the demo key after only 10 seconds, I couldn't believe that it looked > that bad. > > However, I'm somewhat disappointed by the performance of the card. I > have a Cel566@850, and with 1024x768 2xFSAA, 2/3 details, car&track in > mirrors, and drivers arms and wheel off, the FPS counter was between > 35-36. Not solid 36 in other words. Starting from behind i a full > field it was down to 30. Am I expecting too much with the 2xFSAA ? > > I seem to remember that there was a V5 tweak guide at Eric Cote's > simracingmag, but couldn't find it. Anyone know of other resourses ? > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying >I don't like the looks of the top mirror (with the frenzied atmosphere here
lately even this has been called a 'cheat') but I agree about mirror
slowdown. Everyone running the glide wrapper should choose the 'mirror
frequency=2' glide.ini option, I run at 1280x1024 full detail on most tracks
and this option gives a 4fps boost on a full grid and doesn't affect overall
graphics detail.
rms
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> You definately will have to move up the cpu chart to get better framerates
> with 4xfsaa. Most of the posters have settled on 2xfsaa and even 800x600 as
> a sweetspot.
Did a lot of testing yesterday. 2xfsaa at 1024x768 almost cut it, but
when I pass another car on the track, the fps goes to the 30's. I
guess I have to settle for the 800x600. It still looks miles better
than 1200x1000 no fsaa with my V3. I'm a little bit disappointed that
I was not able to do the same resolutions with 2xfsaa as my V3
without, but I may be expecting too much. The card is a beast when no
fsaa in use, so the first person shooters (No one lives forever looks
really promising) might be a blast.
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We have been so conditioned by the use of higher resolutions = better
image that your almost have to relearn what a good image is. Like you said,
8x6 with fsaa is better than screen resolutions that are much higher. Once
you break yourself of the expectation that you HAVE to use higher screen
resolutions,
you'll find many programs that benefit greatly from fsaa.
dave henrie
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> Did a lot of testing yesterday. 2xfsaa at 1024x768 almost cut it, but
> when I pass another car on the track, the fps goes to the 30's. I
> guess I have to settle for the 800x600.
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Are you using the Glide or Direct3D rasterizer? Due to the way that the
mirrors are rendered, Direct3D is faster when using FSAA. I run 2XFSAA at
1024x768 with the detail slider 3/4 of the way to the right and all other
details on and get a constant 36 fps except at the back of the grid on
starts. And the fps only drops for a few seconds at the start. This is with
a P3-550 by the way. No One Lives Forever is a blast and runs great with the
V5.
Kyle
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> Did a lot of testing yesterday. 2xfsaa at 1024x768 almost cut it, but > when I pass another car on the track, the fps goes to the 30's. I > guess I have to settle for the 800x600. It still looks miles better > than 1200x1000 no fsaa with my V3. I'm a little bit disappointed that > I was not able to do the same resolutions with 2xfsaa as my V3 > without, but I may be expecting too much. The card is a beast when no > fsaa in use, so the first person shooters (No one lives forever looks > really promising) might be a blast."Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> writes:
Tried the Direct3d rasterizer yesterday. What a difference. Earlier I
had problems running a solid 36 on 800x600 2xFSAA. Now I am able to
run 1200x1000 2xFSAA, 36 fps that dips onto 33 on some ocations, so I
guess I have to use 1024x768 on online racing. At 1200x1000 2xFSAA it
looks just stunning. Thanks a lot for the tip. :)
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