No Ferrari in GPL Manual?

Hi, all I've been enjoying the HELL out of Grand Prix Legends for the past month. Christ, I think it's actually improved my real life driving by a notch or two, LOL. I can't wait to give my brother his copy for Christmas... I was just curious if anyone knew why the Ferrari is conspicuously absent in the game manual. I would have liked a bit more history and driving notes about that (really fun to drive) car. Thanks

Elric10041 wrote on 17 Dec 2000: <snip> >I was just curious if anyone knew why the Ferrari is conspicuously >absent in the game manual.<snip> Our old "friend", "licensing issues" again... the approval from Ferrari to use their name came so late that the makers couldn't risk putting it in the manual - if they'd put it in and Ferrari had then refused, the whole lot would have had to be pulped. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Eric, What David said. Ferrari was in the ms. I handed in to Papy, but absent w/o an explanation when it came back from the printer. I explained all this in "Steve Smith's Advanced Setup Guide" (otherwise hopelessly out of date) over on Alison Hine's site. Help yerseff. --Steve Smith (who wrote "Four-Wheel Drift," the strategy guide that shipped with the game) Elric10041 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi, all > > I've been enjoying the HELL out of Grand Prix Legends for the past month. > Christ, I think it's actually improved my real life driving by a notch ortwo, > LOL. I can't wait to give my brother his copy for Christmas... > > I was just curious if anyone knew why the Ferrari is conspicuously absentin > the game manual. I would have liked a bit more history and driving notesabout > that (really fun to drive) car. > > Thanks

Hi Steve, The Four-wheel Drift guide was a great addition to GPL. At least I could pore over it while away from the PC at work and rush home to try something new. My copy of it is well worn :) Well done, Ian_R

Yes, it is indeed a fine book, the only things I miss are trackmaps..... "Ian Robertson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ETa%5.17710$[email hidden]...

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> Hi Steve, > > The Four-wheel Drift guide was a great addition to GPL. At least I could > pore over it while away from the PC at work and rush home to try something > new. My copy of it is well worn :) > > Well done, > Ian_R > >

Wow...Steve Smith? The guy who wrote "Four Wheel Drift"?? God, how many times in life do you get an answer from the book's author? Too cool... Pleased to make your acquaintance, sir. That was an absolutely excellent book. I don't suppose that you have the "deleted" section on the Ferrari available to the public? This reminds me of the Monty Python skit in the bookstore, where the "expedited" version of Four-Wheel Drift doesn't have the Ferrari...(I can't remember which bird was excluded from the Standard Book of British Birds, LOL) Thank you, Mr. Smith Frank P.S.: Is it normal that I still suck at this game after a month?

On 17 Dec 2000 23:32:55 GMT, [email hidden] (Elric10041) wrote: >Wow...Steve Smith? The guy who wrote "Four Wheel Drift"?? God, how many times >in life do you get an answer from the book's author? Too cool... > >Pleased to make your acquaintance, sir. That was an absolutely excellent book. >I don't suppose that you have the "deleted" section on the Ferrari available >to the public? Tadaaaaaaaa! http://alison.simracing.com/gpl/smith.htm Andre >Thank you, Mr. Smith >Frank > >P.S.: Is it normal that I still suck at this game after a month? P.S.: yes, I still suck at this game after 2 years. Playing at least an hour every day. GPL shows no mercy.

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> > Wow...Steve Smith? The guy who wrote "Four Wheel Drift"?? God, how many times > in life do you get an answer from the book's author? Too cool... > > Pleased to make your acquaintance, sir. That was an absolutely excellent book. > I don't suppose that you have the "deleted" section on the Ferrari available > to the public? > > This reminds me of the Monty Python skit in the bookstore, where the > "expedited" version of Four-Wheel Drift doesn't have the Ferrari...(I can't > remember which bird was excluded from the Standard Book of British Birds, LOL) > > Thank you, Mr. Smith > Frank > > P.S.: Is it normal that I still suck at this game after a month?

In short ? Yes...:-), but once you get the hang of it is incredibly rewarding, I wish I had more time to spend with it these days myself Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://members.prestige.net/bttw/teammirage/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Elric10041 <[email hidden]> wrote: : P.S.: Is it normal that I still suck at this game after a month? No - the average person still sucks at the game after eighteen months. :-) -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Elric10041) writes: >Frank > >P.S.: Is it normal that I still suck at this game after a month? > Hmm...I think I'll ignore this...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Thank you for the link, Andre... there's some really good info there! Well...after a month, I've usually gotten the hang of most racing games (like Viper Racing), but GPL is proving to be a bit more tenacious, LOL...

Frank, Trek yourself down to the local library and flip through some old _Car & Driver_ magazines (USA), circa 1977 to . . . what?--85? Steve's one of the sharpest, enjoyable and most unpretentious writers that magazine's ever had. (The marijuana test was absolutely fabulous: great journalism that should have made it out of the confines of the auto-rag readership.) --DK "Elric10041" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Wow...Steve Smith? The guy who wrote "Four Wheel Drift"?? God, how manytimes > in life do you get an answer from the book's author? Too cool... > > Pleased to make your acquaintance, sir. That was an absolutely excellentbook. > I don't suppose that you have the "deleted" section on the Ferrariavailable > to the public? > > This reminds me of the Monty Python skit in the bookstore, where the > "expedited" version of Four-Wheel Drift doesn't have the Ferrari...(Ican't > remember which bird was excluded from the Standard Book of British Birds,LOL) > > Thank you, Mr. Smith > Frank > > P.S.: Is it normal that I still suck at this game after a month?

On 18 Dec 2000 12:03:58 GMT, Richard G Clegg <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Elric10041 <[email hidden]> wrote: > >: P.S.: Is it normal that I still suck at this game after a month? > > No - the average person still sucks at the game after eighteen months. > :-) >

Hey! I resent the word "sucks" ;-) Keep in mind that, essentially, you are driving the same cars as Jim Clark, Jack Brabham, Graham Hill et. al. Sure it's only a sim, but it's a pretty accurate one. So, even if, like me, you can't break 1:30 at Monza after 18 months trying - don't feel bad. There's maybe a half dozen guys in history who could REALLY drive these cars - with that in mind, I think those of us who can run consistent, halfway decent times are doing pretty damn well. Still... if I didn't want to be beating Jim Clark, I probably wouldn't keep coming back. And back. And back...

On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:57:23 -0600, "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Frank, > >Trek yourself down to the local library and flip through some old _Car & >Driver_ magazines (USA), circa 1977 to . . . what?--85? Steve's one of the >sharpest, enjoyable and most unpretentious writers that magazine's ever had. > >(The marijuana test was absolutely fabulous: great journalism that should >have made it out of the confines of the auto-rag readership.) >

This sounds like something i'd be interested in ;-) Could you point me to somewhere I could read this, or at least give me the gist? (Living in Oz, i'm not sure if I can find C&D anywhere). DG

On 18 Dec 2000 23:34:04 GMT, [email hidden] (Elric10041) wrote: >Thank you for the link, Andre... there's some really good info there! > >Well...after a month, I've usually gotten the hang of most racing games (like >Viper Racing), but GPL is proving to be a bit more tenacious, LOL... Tell me about it :)) Andre

On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:57:23 -0600, "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Frank, > >Trek yourself down to the local library and flip through some old _Car & >Driver_ magazines (USA), circa 1977 to . . . what?--85? Steve's one of the >sharpest, enjoyable and most unpretentious writers that magazine's ever had. > >(The marijuana test was absolutely fabulous: great journalism that should >have made it out of the confines of the auto-rag readership.)

Wait a sec, I remember something about this marijuana test.. could you tell me more about it? Do you still have the original article? Andre

Andre, and Dis. Goat, No, I don't have the issue anymore. Perhaps someone else here does? Or maybe ebay? --DK "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:57:23 -0600, "David Karr" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Frank, > > > >Trek yourself down to the local library and flip through some old _Car & > >Driver_ magazines (USA), circa 1977 to . . . what?--85? Steve's one of

the > >sharpest, enjoyable and most unpretentious writers that magazine's everhad.

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> > > >(The marijuana test was absolutely fabulous: great journalism that should > >have made it out of the confines of the auto-rag readership.) > > Wait a sec, I remember something about this marijuana test.. could you > tell me more about it? Do you still have the original article? > > Andre

On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:53:36 -0600, "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Andre, >and Dis. Goat, > >No, I don't have the issue anymore. Perhaps someone else here does? Or >maybe ebay? Steve, perhaps you have it or can tell us something about it? Andre

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>--DK > > >"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:57:23 -0600, "David Karr" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Frank, >> > >> >Trek yourself down to the local library and flip through some old _Car & >> >Driver_ magazines (USA), circa 1977 to . . . what?--85? Steve's one of >the >> >sharpest, enjoyable and most unpretentious writers that magazine's ever >had. >> > >> >(The marijuana test was absolutely fabulous: great journalism that should >> >have made it out of the confines of the auto-rag readership.) >> >> Wait a sec, I remember something about this marijuana test.. could you >> tell me more about it? Do you still have the original article? >> >> Andre > >

Frank, Thanks for the plug. I was Editor of Car and Driver in the Sixties (started there in '63; left in '68), and wrote for them on and off through the Seventies. Still post the occasional review (IndyCar Racing, NASCAR Racing). It sure ain't yer father's Car and Driver any more! --Steve David Karr <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:91mfem$r12$[email hidden]... > Frank, > > Trek yourself down to the local library and flip through some old _Car & > Driver_ magazines (USA), circa 1977 to . . . what?--85? Steve's one ofthe > sharpest, enjoyable and most unpretentious writers that magazine's everhad.

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> > (The marijuana test was absolutely fabulous: great journalism that should > have made it out of the confines of the auto-rag readership.) > > --DK > > > "Elric10041" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Wow...Steve Smith? The guy who wrote "Four Wheel Drift"?? God, how many > times > > in life do you get an answer from the book's author? Too cool... > > > > Pleased to make your acquaintance, sir. That was an absolutely excellent > book. > > I don't suppose that you have the "deleted" section on the Ferrari > available > > to the public? > > > > This reminds me of the Monty Python skit in the bookstore, where the > > "expedited" version of Four-Wheel Drift doesn't have the Ferrari...(I > can't > > remember which bird was excluded from the Standard Book of British

Birds,

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> LOL) > > > > Thank you, Mr. Smith > > Frank > > > > P.S.: Is it normal that I still suck at this game after a month? > >

Andre, all, Sure. After a drinking & driving article, I suggested a smoking & driving article (due to my, ah, predelictions at the time). Trouble was, our methodology was fundamentally flawed (keep on drinking and you get drunker; keep on toking and you actually get *less* stoned...particularly if yer a heavy user). So the results (carefully measured by before & after tests driving a course laid out with pylons in a parking lot) made it appear like you got better and better the more you smoked. The real problem, as any dope fiend knows, is not short-term concentration (which can actually improve), but, after a while, remembering what planet yer on, never mind where yer going. I was once with Lord Fox, Duke of Methadone, crossing the Golden Gate bridge in a Triumph Spitfire when he got caught in the grip of a conviction that we were in a *Supermarine* Spitfire, and had to disabuse him of the notion that he could pull back on the "stick" and soar up, up, and away. Ah, the Sixties.... --Steve Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:53:36 -0600, "David Karr" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Andre, > >and Dis. Goat, > > > >No, I don't have the issue anymore. Perhaps someone else here does? Or > >maybe ebay? > > Steve, perhaps you have it or can tell us something about it? > > Andre > > >--DK > > > > > >"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:57:23 -0600, "David Karr" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >Frank, > >> > > >> >Trek yourself down to the local library and flip through some old _Car

& > >> >Driver_ magazines (USA), circa 1977 to . . . what?--85? Steve's oneof > >the > >> >sharpest, enjoyable and most unpretentious writers that magazine'sever > >had. > >> > > >> >(The marijuana test was absolutely fabulous: great journalism thatshould

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> >> >have made it out of the confines of the auto-rag readership.) > >> > >> Wait a sec, I remember something about this marijuana test.. could you > >> tell me more about it? Do you still have the original article? > >> > >> Andre > > > > >

Yeah, that's the thing that I perhaps forgot to mention... Even though I wipe out with astonishing regularity and spectacular aplomb ( two days ago, at Spa-Franco, I busted all four wheels off of the BRM, then slid upside down on the road till the engine caught fire), I can't put this game down for the life of me. X-Com did not addict me this badly 5 years ago...

Stephen Smith wrote: > Frank, > > Thanks for the plug. I was Editor of Car and Driver in the Sixties (started > there in '63; left in '68) ... Hope you don't mind my saying so, but after you left, C&D went down the tubes, IMHO.... you and Brock Yates were the class of that mag. BTW, reading through some old R&Ts (another mag that's gone straight into the crapper) the other night and came across a fairly famous series of ads extolling the virtues of some car (can't even remember which) with quotes from "Car & Driver editor Steve Smith) accompanied by a great Ken Dallison (my favorite automotive illustrator, still) of you with the ever-present cigarette. When I get my PowerMac back up, I'll post a small JPEG in the "binaries" NG. BB

Bart, You bring a tear to this tired old eye. Thanks for the memories. --Steve Bart Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Stephen Smith wrote: > > > Frank, > > > > Thanks for the plug. I was Editor of Car and Driver in the Sixties(started > > there in '63; left in '68) ... > > Hope you don't mind my saying so, but after you left, C&D went down thetubes, > IMHO.... you and Brock Yates were the class of that mag. > > BTW, reading through some old R&Ts (another mag that's gone straight intothe > crapper) the other night and came across a fairly famous series of ads > extolling the virtues of some car (can't even remember which) with quotesfrom > "Car & Driver editor Steve Smith) accompanied by a great Ken Dallison (my > favorite automotive illustrator, still) of you with the ever-presentcigarette. > When I get my PowerMac back up, I'll post a small JPEG in the "binaries"NG. > > BB >

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 03:55:20 GMT, Bart Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Stephen Smith wrote: > >> Frank, >> >> Thanks for the plug. I was Editor of Car and Driver in the Sixties (started >> there in '63; left in '68) ... > >Hope you don't mind my saying so, but after you left, C&D went down the tubes, >IMHO.... you and Brock Yates were the class of that mag. > >BTW, reading through some old R&Ts (another mag that's gone straight into the >crapper) the other night and came across a fairly famous series of ads >extolling the virtues of some car (can't even remember which) with quotes from >"Car & Driver editor Steve Smith) accompanied by a great Ken Dallison (my >favorite automotive illustrator, still) of you with the ever-present cigarette. >When I get my PowerMac back up, I'll post a small JPEG in the "binaries" NG. >

Does anyone know if these mags, particularly old copies (mid 60's - GPL has hooked me on that era) can be found in Australia? I work in a public library so I have contacts, but i'd like to know where I might start. Cheers, DG

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Elric10041) writes: >Yeah, that's the thing that I perhaps forgot to mention... > >Even though I wipe out with astonishing regularity and spectacular aplomb ( >two >days ago, at Spa-Franco, I busted all four wheels off of the BRM, then slid >upside down on the road till the engine caught fire), That's an EXCELLENT way to treat the BRM.<g> I *still* don't get why people actually LIKE that thing...ugh. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <pCP%5.31915$[email hidden]>, "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Sure. After a drinking & driving article, I suggested a smoking & driving >article (due to my, ah, predelictions at the time). Trouble was, our >methodology was fundamentally flawed (keep on drinking and you get drunker; >keep on toking and you actually get *less* stoned...particularly if yer a >heavy user). So the results (carefully measured by before & after tests >driving a course laid out with pylons in a parking lot) made it appear like >you got better and better the more you smoked. The real problem, as any >dope fiend knows, is not short-term concentration (which can actually >improve),

Maybe that's what I need - fire up a joint, and hit the 'Ring... 8:15, here I come! :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 06:58:40 GMT, [email hidden] (Disgruntled Goat) wrote: > >Does anyone know if these mags, particularly old copies (mid 60's - >GPL has hooked me on that era) can be found in Australia? I work in a >public library so I have contacts, but i'd like to know where I might >start. you can find the odd issue on Ebay. I managed to dredge up several copies of old magazines with reviews of cars I owned in the 60s. Great fun. And I still have a subscription to C&D (and R&T and MT and Automobile and Autoweek). It is still great fun. Brock Yates writes a column thats worth the price of admission for the whole magazine, anyway. Can't say too much for the current editor, Chubby Checker. He did flip a TransAm during a LSR attempt tho, he can't be all bad. ~daxe

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 03:55:20 GMT, Bart Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: >BTW, reading through some old R&Ts (another mag that's gone straight into the >crapper) the other night and came across a fairly famous series of ads >extolling the virtues of some car (can't even remember which) with quotes from >"Car & Driver editor Steve Smith) accompanied by a great Ken Dallison (my >favorite automotive illustrator, still) of you with the ever-present cigarette. >When I get my PowerMac back up, I'll post a small JPEG in the "binaries" NG. Are you sure it was a cigarette? :) Andre >BB >

On 20 Dec 2000 07:07:26 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > >That's an EXCELLENT way to treat the BRM.<g> I *still* don't get why people >actually LIKE that thing...ugh. For me, it's the engine sound. And the incredible stability of that beast (if you keep it off the bump rubbers, of course). Too bad it's so slow. Richard. -- Richard Bellavance Enter-Net Inc. Phone: (450) 449-5261 #16 Systems Administrator/ (514) 990-1683 #16 Analyst-Programmer Fax: (450) 449-5242

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>On 20 Dec 2000 07:07:26 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> >wrote: >> >>That's an EXCELLENT way to treat the BRM.<g> I *still* don't get >>why people actually LIKE that thing...ugh. > >For me, it's the engine sound. And the incredible stability of that >beast (if you keep it off the bump rubbers, of course).

I agree, it's the best sounding engine in the game. It's also fun banging through the six speed gearbox, kinda like riding a peaky sportbike, get the revs up and shift like crazy. Is it slow? Well the fastest BRM times are ALL faster than my best times using ANY car, so the car is faster than I am. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -5.09 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

In article <90105A9A4dscurlock@news>, [email hidden] (Don Scurlock) writes: >I agree, it's the best sounding engine in the game. It's also fun >banging through the six speed gearbox, kinda like riding a peaky >sportbike, get the revs up and shift like crazy. Is it slow? Well the >fastest BRM times are ALL faster than my best times using ANY car, so >the car is faster than I am. Same here, but I still can't stand the thing... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Chubby Checker? Not *THE* Chubby Checker? Let's twist again like we did last summer, baby!!! Yeah!! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- daxe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Can't say too much for the current editor, Chubby Checker. He did > flip a TransAm during a LSR attempt tho, he can't be all bad. >

ROTFLMFAO Mark "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pCP%5.31915$[email hidden].. . > Andre, all, > > Sure. After a drinking & driving article, Isuggested a smoking & driving > article (due to my, ah, predelictions at thetime). Trouble was, our > methodology was fundamentally flawed (keep ondrinking and you get drunker; > keep on toking and you actually get *less*stoned...particularly if yer a > heavy user). So the results (carefully measuredby before & after tests > driving a course laid out with pylons in aparking lot) made it appear like > you got better and better the more you smoked.The real problem, as any > dope fiend knows, is not short-termconcentration (which can actually > improve), but, after a while, remembering whatplanet yer on, never mind > where yer going. I was once with Lord Fox, Dukeof Methadone, crossing the > Golden Gate bridge in a Triumph Spitfire when hegot caught in the grip of a > conviction that we were in a *Supermarine*Spitfire, and had to disabuse him > of the notion that he could pull back on the"stick" and soar up, up, and > away. Ah, the Sixties.... > > --Steve

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>Chubby Checker? Not *THE* Chubby Checker? > >Let's twist again like we did last summer, baby!!! Yeah!! > >-- >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. >--------------------------- > >daxe <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> > Can't say too much for the current editor, Chubby Checker. He did >> flip a TransAm during a LSR attempt tho, he can't be all bad. >>

*Couldn't* be...THAT Chubby Checker would have to be as old as...you...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Andre Warringa wrote: Are you sure it was a cigarette? :) Hmmmm... it *did* look a little twisted...

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote: >And I still have a subscription to C&D (and R&T and MT and Automobile >and Autoweek). It is still great fun. Brock Yates writes a column >thats worth the price of admission for the whole magazine, anyway. Well, guess that it's really a matter of taste. I find Brock Yates to be a horrible bore and the single most unreadable part of the car mags I read (I too subscribe to R&T and C&D, get most of the Autoweeks, and had MT until my parrot died). And I don't mean because of his vocabulary.

On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 04:53:11 GMT, [email hidden] (David Masten) wrote: >Well, guess that it's really a matter of taste. I find Brock Yates to be a >horrible bore and the single most unreadable part of the car mags I read (I >too subscribe to R&T and C&D, get most of the Autoweeks, and had MT until my >parrot died). And I don't mean because of his vocabulary. All in all I'd rather read Peter Egan, but I do like the way BY can splatter his prodigious vocabulary all over things. I think in his case it's style over content that attracts me. ~daxe

Older, matey. MUCH older! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Chubby Checker? Not *THE* Chubby Checker? > > > >Let's twist again like we did last summer, baby!!! Yeah!! > > > >-- > >Regards, > >Bruce Kennewell, > >Canberra, Australia. > >--------------------------- > > > >daxe <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> > Can't say too much for the current editor, Chubby Checker. He did > >> flip a TransAm during a LSR attempt tho, he can't be all bad. > >> > > *Couldn't* be...THAT Chubby Checker would have to be as old as...you...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Easier to drive, but boring when you try to catch others, and do not succeed. BRM: 415 hp for 615 kg = 1.48 kg/hp Lotus: 400 hp for 500 kg = 1.25 kg/hp Lotus better by 20 % ! Huge difference, as handling of both is quite healthy. Greta game anyway ! -- Hnic [email hidden] "Richard Bellavance" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: [email hidden]... > On 20 Dec 2000 07:07:26 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >That's an EXCELLENT way to treat the BRM.<g> I *still* don't get why people > >actually LIKE that thing...ugh. > > For me, it's the engine sound. And the incredible stability of that > beast (if you keep it off the bump rubbers, of course). > > Too bad it's so slow. > > Richard. > -- > Richard Bellavance Enter-Net Inc. > Phone: (450) 449-5261 #16 > Systems Administrator/ (514) 990-1683 #16 > Analyst-Programmer Fax: (450) 449-5242