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I was just reminded why I don't race VROC very often. I just ran two races. The first was at Zandy(13lap race, I think). No time for qual, so I started from the back. I avoided the normal turn 1 bs, and was in 3rd place after half a lap. 4th place was catching me(he made up 20+seconds in about 7 laps. I spun off the track and handed over 3rd place, but he later discoed. The only person I beat was someone who admitted he had about 20 spins... Race 2 - Watkins Glen(33 laps). I qualified 3rd, and pretty much STAYED there. Everyone but the top 3 dropped out, so I was the last runner. I was also losing 2-3 seconds a lap to *2nd* place. When I was about to get lapped, I threw it off the track in the Loop, and flipped over. At that point, I gave up. I quit with about 15 laps to go. This is what's wrong with Vroc racing. If you don't have someone your skill level to race with, it's pretty <expletive> BORING. I think that out of both of those races, I had another car in sight for 2-3 laps total. I lost the leaders at WG in the FIRST lap... The leader in both races was a guy named Mark Rowe, I think. He ran 1:26 at Zandy, and 1:05 at WG, both with a *stock* Cooper. My PB is about 3 seconds slower at both tracks, and I was using a Brabham in the races. Why bother? No challenge - no fun... :( Eldred - sulking... -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EP: I'm around your speed in the GPLRanks; my recommendation: Try the new FG (F1 cars with F3 engines) using the new engine patch. Makes for very close racing without the carnage and virtually eliminates off-track excursions. Anything but boring. The hotlappers may be faster but not out of sight, and if they miss an apex or clip a hedge, you can keep up. It's worth trying... Ray Bryden EldredP wrote : > I was just reminded why I don't race VROC very often. I just ran tworaces. > The first was at Zandy(13lap race, I think). No time for qual, so Istarted > from the back. I avoided the normal turn 1 bs, and was in 3rd place afterhalf > a lap. 4th place was catching me(he made up 20+seconds in about 7 laps.I > spun off the track and handed over 3rd place, but he later discoed. Theonly > person I beat was someone who admitted he had about 20 spins... > Race 2 - Watkins Glen(33 laps). I qualified 3rd, and pretty much STAYEDthere. > Everyone but the top 3 dropped out, so I was the last runner. I was also > losing 2-3 seconds a lap to *2nd* place. When I was about to get lapped,I > threw it off the track in the Loop, and flipped over. At that point, Igave > up. I quit with about 15 laps to go. This is what's wrong with Vrocracing. > If you don't have someone your skill level to race with, it's pretty > <expletive> BORING. I think that out of both of those races, I hadanother car > in sight for 2-3 laps total. I lost the leaders at WG in the FIRST lap...The > leader in both races was a guy named Mark Rowe, I think. He ran 1:26 atZandy, > and 1:05 at WG, both with a *stock* Cooper. My PB is about 3 secondsslower at > both tracks, and I was using a Brabham in the races. Why bother? Nochallenge

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> - no fun... :( > > Eldred - sulking... > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I think you'd have a lot more fun if you joined a league. That's what I did a couple of months back and now I'm wondering why I didn't do it much sooner. Derek. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I was just reminded why I don't race VROC very often. I just ran tworaces. > The first was at Zandy(13lap race, I think). No time for qual, so Istarted > from the back. I avoided the normal turn 1 bs, and was in 3rd place afterhalf > a lap. 4th place was catching me(he made up 20+seconds in about 7 laps.I > spun off the track and handed over 3rd place, but he later discoed. Theonly > person I beat was someone who admitted he had about 20 spins... > Race 2 - Watkins Glen(33 laps). I qualified 3rd, and pretty much STAYEDthere. > Everyone but the top 3 dropped out, so I was the last runner. I was also > losing 2-3 seconds a lap to *2nd* place. When I was about to get lapped,I > threw it off the track in the Loop, and flipped over. At that point, Igave > up. I quit with about 15 laps to go. This is what's wrong with Vrocracing. > If you don't have someone your skill level to race with, it's pretty > <expletive> BORING. I think that out of both of those races, I hadanother car > in sight for 2-3 laps total. I lost the leaders at WG in the FIRST lap...The > leader in both races was a guy named Mark Rowe, I think. He ran 1:26 atZandy, > and 1:05 at WG, both with a *stock* Cooper. My PB is about 3 secondsslower at > both tracks, and I was using a Brabham in the races. Why bother? Nochallenge

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> - no fun... :( > > Eldred - sulking... > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:39:02 +0800, "Derek" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I think you'd have a lot more fun if you joined a league. That's what I did >a couple of months back and now I'm wondering why I didn't do it much >sooner. > >Derek. Very true. Allthough I have pretty much fun with VROC races, nothing beats driving in a league where you know how the other driver's driving style. Right now I'm in a league where I consider myself in the middle of the pack, I often qualify 6th or 7th. We don't use shift-R, and this leads to some challenging races I can assure you :) Andre

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > I was just reminded why I don't race VROC very often. I just ran tworaces. <Snip bad experiences!> > - no fun... :( > > Eldred - sulking... > --Eldred, I'm still new to the experience of online racing which means I still get a kick out of the novelty aspect. Still, I can already recognize the problems you are desribing,- I've had quite a few races (mainly Monza) where I finished 2nd to 4th primarily by virtue of finishing. Usually 0-2 guys were slower. However, racing in the VROC-F2 club is an entirely different experience. Apart from being practically jerk-free these pickup races have a 50-75% completion percentage with retirements usually being due to genuine disco's or severe frustration. In my experience you will find people ahead of you or behind you during at least half the race. (In my case, it's usually Glen Field. :-) ) I know that you're a member, so please use the club. Cheers, Jens Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Hey Eldred, we have a Brabham available in IGPS - if you want it, you have 12 hours to claim it (6pm eastern time). We're 6 races into the season, but you'll automatically get 500 points if you join up now. That will put you well within striking distance of at least a top-5 finish if you can hold it together. We have good drivers of all skill levels... In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> I was just reminded why I don't race VROC very often. I just ran two races. > The first was at Zandy(13lap race, I think). No time for qual, so I started > from the back. I avoided the normal turn 1 bs, and was in 3rd place after half > a lap. 4th place was catching me(he made up 20+seconds in about 7 laps. I > spun off the track and handed over 3rd place, but he later discoed. The only > person I beat was someone who admitted he had about 20 spins... > Race 2 - Watkins Glen(33 laps). I qualified 3rd, and pretty much STAYED there. > Everyone but the top 3 dropped out, so I was the last runner. I was also > losing 2-3 seconds a lap to *2nd* place. When I was about to get lapped, I > threw it off the track in the Loop, and flipped over. At that point, I gave > up. I quit with about 15 laps to go. This is what's wrong with Vroc racing. > If you don't have someone your skill level to race with, it's pretty > <expletive> BORING. I think that out of both of those races, I had another car > in sight for 2-3 laps total. I lost the leaders at WG in the FIRST lap... The > leader in both races was a guy named Mark Rowe, I think. He ran 1:26 at Zandy, > and 1:05 at WG, both with a *stock* Cooper. My PB is about 3 seconds slower at > both tracks, and I was using a Brabham in the races. Why bother? No challenge > - no fun... :( >

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Derek wrote on 19 Dec 2000: >I think you'd have a lot more fun if you joined a league. That's what I >did a couple of months back and now I'm wondering why I didn't do it >much sooner.<snip> Which is a good idea, except that I have yet to see a league that will let you race whenever you like as VROC does. Many people (like me) don't keep a regular schedule, and in any case don't want their races to be restricted to one a week or so. The *last* thing we need is even fewer drivers in the VROC pickup races. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

In article <3a3f0104$0$[email hidden]>, "Derek" <[email hidden]> writes: >I think you'd have a lot more fun if you joined a league. That's what I did >a couple of months back and now I'm wondering why I didn't do it much >sooner. > >Derek. I was in two league, COBRHA and GPLe Mans. I quit GPLe Mans because I was so uncompetitive I was just in the way. That, and 3 disco's out of the first 6 races didn't help any... Cobrha, I had *one* good race - Silverstone, 3rd. I also had a 5th and a 6th. All the rest were in the bottom 10... :( There's only ONE guy I can beat if everyone stays connected. Everyone else is much faster than I am - even in the LITES series.. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

When do you race? I could use someone to sight see with. :-) SLG [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>I was just reminded why I don't race VROC very often. I just ran two races. >The first was at Zandy(13lap race, I think). No time for qual, so I started >from the back. I avoided the normal turn 1 bs, and was in 3rd place after half >a lap. 4th place was catching me(he made up 20+seconds in about 7 laps. I >spun off the track and handed over 3rd place, but he later discoed. The only >person I beat was someone who admitted he had about 20 spins... >Race 2 - Watkins Glen(33 laps). I qualified 3rd, and pretty much STAYED there. > Everyone but the top 3 dropped out, so I was the last runner. I was also >losing 2-3 seconds a lap to *2nd* place. When I was about to get lapped, I >threw it off the track in the Loop, and flipped over. At that point, I gave >up. I quit with about 15 laps to go. This is what's wrong with Vroc racing. >If you don't have someone your skill level to race with, it's pretty ><expletive> BORING. I think that out of both of those races, I had another car >in sight for 2-3 laps total. I lost the leaders at WG in the FIRST lap... The >leader in both races was a guy named Mark Rowe, I think. He ran 1:26 at Zandy, >and 1:05 at WG, both with a *stock* Cooper. My PB is about 3 seconds slower at >both tracks, and I was using a Brabham in the races. Why bother? No challenge >- no fun... :( > >Eldred - sulking... >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

On 19 Dec 2000 11:53:02 GMT, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote:

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>Derek wrote on 19 Dec 2000: > >>I think you'd have a lot more fun if you joined a league. That's what I >>did a couple of months back and now I'm wondering why I didn't do it >>much sooner. ><snip> > >Which is a good idea, except that I have yet to see a league that will let >you race whenever you like as VROC does. Many people (like me) don't keep a >regular schedule, and in any case don't want their races to be restricted >to one a week or so. The *last* thing we need is even fewer drivers in the >VROC pickup races.

Joining a league does not mean that you can't drive VROC pickup races anymore. I think that I even drive more pickup races since I entered a league, just to get some more online experience. Andre >-- >David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) >The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com >"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - >Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

The most fun I've had on VROC lately was with just one other driver on the track. If somebody got a lead, he just waited for the other. Not "racing" as such, but lots of fun nonetheless. If you get somebody with similar abilities and a good attitude this can really be fun. Thanks to: Ken MacKay (Monza, two 11 lap nose-to-tail races) Dale Farmer (Mosport and Zandy, Dale doing a LOT of waiting :) Richard (?) Allen (Crystal Palace, 25 laps with some great chasing and being chased). "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I was just reminded why I don't race VROC very often. I just ran tworaces. > The first was at Zandy(13lap race, I think). No time for qual, so Istarted > from the back. I avoided the normal turn 1 bs, and was in 3rd place afterhalf > a lap. 4th place was catching me(he made up 20+seconds in about 7 laps.I > spun off the track and handed over 3rd place, but he later discoed. Theonly > person I beat was someone who admitted he had about 20 spins... > Race 2 - Watkins Glen(33 laps). I qualified 3rd, and pretty much STAYEDthere. > Everyone but the top 3 dropped out, so I was the last runner. I was also > losing 2-3 seconds a lap to *2nd* place. When I was about to get lapped,I > threw it off the track in the Loop, and flipped over. At that point, Igave > up. I quit with about 15 laps to go. This is what's wrong with Vrocracing. > If you don't have someone your skill level to race with, it's pretty > <expletive> BORING. I think that out of both of those races, I hadanother car > in sight for 2-3 laps total. I lost the leaders at WG in the FIRST lap...The > leader in both races was a guy named Mark Rowe, I think. He ran 1:26 atZandy, > and 1:05 at WG, both with a *stock* Cooper. My PB is about 3 secondsslower at > both tracks, and I was using a Brabham in the races. Why bother? Nochallenge

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> - no fun... :( > > Eldred - sulking... > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (John Simmons) writes: >Hey Eldred, we have a Brabham available in IGPS - if you want it, you >have 12 hours to claim it (6pm eastern time). We're 6 races into the >season, but you'll automatically get 500 points if you join up now. That >will put you well within striking distance of at least a top-5 finish if >you can hold it together. We have good drivers of all skill levels... Hehe - thanks, but I don't get home on Monday nights in time to run in the series. It's purely a scheduling conflict, otherwise I would have been able to stay in the league. :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <91nf0d$i5q$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] writes:

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>However, racing in the VROC-F2 club is an entirely different >experience. Apart from being practically jerk-free these pickup races >have a 50-75% completion percentage with retirements usually being due >to genuine disco's or severe frustration. In my experience you will >find people ahead of you or behind you during at least half the race. >(In my case, it's usually Glen Field. :-) ) > >I know that you're a member, so please use the club.

Hehe...I'm more a 'lurker' in the club. Monday and Tuesday I bowl, so I couldn't make those races. I'd have to check the schedule to see when the other races are. Since you guys seem to be going the route of using the engine swapper, I'm not sure I'll be running in those races... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 19 Dec 2000 11:53:02 GMT, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote:

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>Derek wrote on 19 Dec 2000: > >>I think you'd have a lot more fun if you joined a league. That's what I >>did a couple of months back and now I'm wondering why I didn't do it >>much sooner. ><snip> > >Which is a good idea, except that I have yet to see a league that will let >you race whenever you like as VROC does. Many people (like me) don't keep a >regular schedule, and in any case don't want their races to be restricted >to one a week or so. The *last* thing we need is even fewer drivers in the >VROC pickup races.

1. Sure you can race on VROC anytime you like, but there are a lot of times (ie: out of Euro or US prime-time) that you'll have trouble finding a race with more than a few people in it. 2. I don't know your schedule, but you must be able to make *some* league races. No league (that I'm aware of) requires you to attend all races. Isn't *some* high quality racing better than none at all? And with leagues around the world, I'm sure you could find one racing at 3am your time, if that's convenient to your schedule. 3. If you run in a league, nothing says that its the *only* time you race. It's only the *best* racing of the week. I run pickups on VROC for practice and amusement, even more heavily when my league is running (GPLWS is between seasons now). You have three choices, as I see it. Run against the AI anytime you like (boring). Run VROC pickup races at your convenience, with the highs and lows of random (need I stress that word? :) human competitors (or maybe some passworded races for a higher skill level). Or try to make some league races where you'll find human competitors with a level of dedication and skill that matches your own. Your choice. IOW, at least give it a try, David. Then tell us how terrible it was. ;) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Steve Garrotto) writes: >When do you race? I could use someone to sight see with. :-) > >SLG Hehe... I'm on vacation for 2 weeks, and I was online looking for something else, so I decided to try a couple of races. I don't really have a *set* time to race. My league ended last saturday, and the next season is supposed to start near the end of January... How 'bout you?(Set time) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I am on, depending on honey-dos from about 8:30 PM to 10:30 PM central time zone most weekdays. I also just brought up UMCServer to full 24/7 and UMCServer2 is now a F2/F3 server. I am starting to enjoy the slow cars. I need a better setup for the F3 Ferrari though. SLG [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Steve >Garrotto) writes: > >>When do you race? I could use someone to sight see with. :-) >> >>SLG > >Hehe... I'm on vacation for 2 weeks, and I was online looking for something >else, so I decided to try a couple of races. I don't really have a *set* time >to race. My league ended last saturday, and the next season is supposed to >start near the end of January... >How 'bout you?(Set time) > >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

"Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I need a better setup for the F3 Ferrari though. > Try: http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/setups.zip

Andre Warringa wrote on 19 Dec 2000: >Joining a league does not mean that you can't drive VROC pickup races >anymore. I think that I even drive more pickup races since I entered a >league, just to get some more online experience. Yeah, OK, I get the point people... :-) -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.