Which is better overall, Forza or GT4 ?

Which game has the most realistic physics modeling , not just in theory, but in terms of how realistic they feel compared to a top notch PC sim? How do the games compare overall ? Also, has anyone played Enthusia racing yet ?

On Fri, 6 May 2005 04:20:54 -0700, "meee" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Which game has the most realistic physics modeling , not just in theory, but >in terms of how realistic they feel compared to a top notch PC sim? How do >the games compare overall ? Also, has anyone played Enthusia racing yet ? > Enthusia has a very good physics model. Far better than Forza or GT4, or any other console sim that I am aware of. I haven't tried RBR on a console, but I have tried most of the rest . With all aids OFF on all of them, by the way. Enthusia feels a little like a slightly toned down LFS. I really like it! It's a major sleeper for those who want more realistic physics in a console game. In Forza, you can round a tight corner in a Viper in 2nd gear and slam the throttle wide open and get a tiny bit of wheelspin and a little wiggle in the back. A FUN racer, but not anywhere close to a true 'sim'. The suddenly wide-open throttle in a tight corner in a massive HP car won't give those same result in Enthusia .. hehe.

rrevved wrote: > Enthusia feels a little like a slightly toned down LFS. I really likeit! > It's a major sleeper for those who want more realistic physics in a > console game. How do you like the game overall, it didn't fare too well in the reviews. Is the AI any better in Enthusia than GT4? I picked up Forza purely for Road Atlanta (my local track) and the 350Z (my car), but don't like the lack of wheels available. Since I'm no longer playing GT4, would be nice to have something for my driving force pro.

On Fri, 6 May 2005 04:20:54 -0700, "meee" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Which game has the most realistic physics modeling , not just in theory, but >in terms of how realistic they feel compared to a top notch PC sim? Forza, no question to me. GT4 is OK but feels way to simplistic, especially the braking ... you can just button mash the digital brake button to get unrealistic braking. Forza feels much more like a top PC sim ... you have to always be thinking about your braking point, and then applying brakes carefully with the analog trigger, or you'll pay the price. >How do >the games compare overall ? Also, has anyone played Enthusia racing yet ? I loved GT4 when it first came out but the affair only lasted a couple weeks befire the flaws set in (no AI to speak of, poor rally mode, just-OK driving physics, broken "free money" car-upgrade gameplay). Forza has better physics in my opinion, decent and fun AI, damage model (no pinballing around the corners off other cars here!), better tracks in my opinion, a better handheld controller, and online multiplayer (if you're into that). GT4's advantages are slightly better graphics (more jaw-dropping gorgeous moments for sure) and solid force-feedback wheels.

On 6 May 2005 09:12:31 -0700, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >rrevved wrote: > >> Enthusia feels a little like a slightly toned down LFS. I really like >it! >> It's a major sleeper for those who want more realistic physics in a >> console game. > >How do you like the game overall, it didn't fare too well in the >reviews. Is the AI any better in Enthusia than GT4? I picked up Forza >purely for Road Atlanta (my local track) and the 350Z (my car), but >don't like the lack of wheels available. Since I'm no longer playing >GT4, would be nice to have something for my driving force pro.

The AI in Enthusia is very good. Aggressive, smart, etc.. Nothing at all like GT4 and a little like Forza. I'm pretty early in the game, BTW. They race for position and I have seen them 3-abreast going into a fast corner. VERY nice AI. A lot like Forza. I wish I had your wheel. It would make Enthusia VERY nice. If you race in real life as I used to, I would strongly suggest that you pick up Enthusia. When you feel that car moving around on it's suspension and you fighting for control of it, you'll see what I mean. Go here and read about it, see the screenshots, and watch the movies: http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/enthusia/ Be SURE to see the 'Promotion' movie .. http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/enthusia/eng/movie/prom.html I love the game, personally, but it is difficult and not for everyone, especially those with a short attention span or needing instant gratification on every corner. I am wondering whether I have the skill to progress deep into this game without a wheel. If you race for real and you have a wheel, just buy it would be my advice. Be sure to check out their site and look at the renders and screenshots of the incredible selection of cars, new and old ... Back to slidin' .. heehe

On Fri, 06 May 2005 15:43:27 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On 6 May 2005 09:12:31 -0700, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >>rrevved wrote: >> >>> Enthusia feels a little like a slightly toned down LFS. I really like >>it! >>> It's a major sleeper for those who want more realistic physics in a >>> console game. >> >>How do you like the game overall, it didn't fare too well in the >>reviews. Is the AI any better in Enthusia than GT4? I picked up Forza >>purely for Road Atlanta (my local track) and the 350Z (my car), but >>don't like the lack of wheels available. Since I'm no longer playing >>GT4, would be nice to have something for my driving force pro. > >The AI in Enthusia is very good. Aggressive, smart, etc.. Nothing at >all like GT4 and a little like Forza. I'm pretty early in the game, BTW. >They race for position and I have seen them 3-abreast going into a fast >corner. VERY nice AI. A lot like Forza. > >I wish I had your wheel. It would make Enthusia VERY nice. If you >race in real life as I used to, I would strongly suggest that you pick >up Enthusia. When you feel that car moving around on it's suspension >and you fighting for control of it, you'll see what I mean. > >Go here and read about it, see the screenshots, and watch the movies: > >http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/enthusia/ > >Be SURE to see the 'Promotion' movie .. > >http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/enthusia/eng/movie/prom.html > >I love the game, personally, but it is difficult and not for everyone, >especially those with a short attention span or needing instant gratification >on every corner. I am wondering whether I have the skill to progress >deep into this game without a wheel. > >If you race for real and you have a wheel, just buy it would be my advice. > >Be sure to check out their site and look at the renders and screenshots of the >incredible selection of cars, new and old ... > >Back to slidin' .. heehe

One more thing. When I am making these glowing comments about Enthusia, I am driving with all aids off, except for auto transmission.

"meee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Which game has the most realistic physics modeling , not just in theory, > but > in terms of how realistic they feel compared to a top notch PC sim? How do > the games compare overall ? Also, has anyone played Enthusia racing yet ? > > Oh, man-- excellent question! :) Alanb

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > In Forza, you can round a tight corner in a Viper in 2nd gear and > slam the throttle wide open and get a tiny bit of wheelspin and > a little wiggle in the back. A FUN racer, but not anywhere close to > a true 'sim'. Are you driving with all aids off in Forza? The first car I tried after buying it this afternoon was the Viper GTS ACR. I rounded the first turn and nailed the throttle mid-corner and launched into a beautiful power slide. A quick counter steer and slight lift brought the back end back in line and I was off down the straight. A fantastic experience from the outset. I then tried the Z06 and the backend on that thing was squirrely as hell under hard throttle. The NSX is fun too. Great game. I'll have to rent Enthusia and see what it's like. It was a toss-up between the two but I generally like Xbox games better than PS2, plus Forza has gotten better reviews, but I think that's because Enthusia is more for enthusiasts and is too demanding for the average console gamer. -- _________________________ Todd Walker http://www.toddwalker.net _________________________

> One more thing. When I am making these glowing comments about > Enthusia, I am driving with all aids off, except for auto transmission. I'll have to check it out I guess. The reviews haven't been very kind. I prefer the Physics/AI in Forza but absolutely marvel at the polished graphics in GT4.