Forza Car List

For those that have been asking, here is the complete car list for Forza: From http://www.xbox.com/en-US/news/20050117/forza.htm Forza Motorsport Final Car Roster 1967 AC Shelby Cobra 1997 Acura NSX 2001 Acura Integra Type-R 2002 Acura RSX Type-S 2003 Acura 3.2 CL Type S 2004 Acura NSX 2002 Acura #42 Real-Time Racing NSX SC (driven by Peter Cunningham) 2001 Aston Martin V12 Vanquish 2005 Aston Martin DB9 Coupe 2001 Audi 2002 Infineon R8 2004 Audi S4 2004 Audi TT Coupe 3.2 Quattro 2000 Audi S4 2003 Audi RS 6 2002 Audi #1 Champion Audi Racing S4 Competition (driven by Michael Galati) 2003 Audi #1 Champion Audi Racing RS 6 (driven by Michael Galati) 2002 Audi Le Mans #38 Champion AudiR8 2001 Audi Le Mans #4 Johansson Motorsport R8 2004 Audi #8 24h Nￜrburgring TT-R 2004 Bentley Continental GT 2003 Bentley #7 Team Bentley Speed 8 1997 BMW #43 Team Schnitzer Motorsport GTR 1999 BMW #15 Team BMW Motorsports V12 LMR 2003 BMW #43 BMW Motorsport M3-GTR 2003 BMW #42 BMW Motorsport M3-GTR 1987 Buick Regal GNX 2002 Cadillac #8 Team Cadillac LMP 02 2004 Cadillac CTS-V 2004 Cadillac #16 Team Cadillac (driven by Max Angelelli) 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1967 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 427 L-88 2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 2005 Chevrolet Corvette C6 2002 Chevrolet Lingenfelter 427 CID Twin Turbo Corvette 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Guldstrand Edition 2004 Chevrolet #73 3R Racing Corvette Z06 (driven by Phil McClure) 2003 Chevrolet #3 Corvette Racing C5-R 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 2004 Chrysler PT Cruiser GT (Turbo) 2005 Chrysler ME Four-Twelve 1999 Dodge Viper GTS ACR 2003 Dodge SRT4 1996 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi 2003 Dodge Viper SRT10 2004 Dodge Viper Competition Coupe 2000 Dodge Hennessey Viper 800TT 2003 Dodge #23 Magellan Financial Viper Competition Coupe (driven by Paul Mumford) 2004 Dodge #22 3R-Racing Viper Competition Coupe (driven by Tommy Archer) 2002 Dodge Nￜrburgring 24 Hours Viper GTS ACR #1 - FujiFilm 1998 Eagle Talon TSI Turbo 2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello 2004 Ferrari 360 Modena 1964 Ferrari 250 GTO 2003 Enzo Ferrari 1995 Ferrari F50 1993 Ferrari 512 TR 1984 Ferrari GTO 1992 Ferrari F40 1967 Ferrari 330 P4 1969 Ferrari Dino 246 GT 1998 Ferrari 355 GTS 2005 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti 1996 Ferrari #12 Risi Competizione 1998 Ferrari F355 Challenge 2003 Ferrari #88 Veloqx Prodrive Racing 550 Maranello 2004 Ferrari Challenge Stradale 2003 Ford Focus SVT 1966 Ford GT40 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 429 2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R 2005 Ford Mustang GT 2005 Ford GT 2004 Ford #10 Tiger Racing Mustang (driven by Carol Hollfelder) 2004 Honda Civic Type-R Hatch (Japan) 2000 Honda Prelude Type SH 1999 Honda Civic Si Coupe 1995 Honda Civic Del Sol VTEC 2004 Honda Accord Coupe EX 2003 Honda S2000 1994 Honda Civic SI 1991 Honda CRX Si-R (Japan) 2004 Honda NSX-R (Japan) 2002 Honda Mugen Integra Type-R (Japan) 2003 Honda JGTC #18 Dome Racing Team NSX 2003 Honda JGTC #8 Autobacs Racing Team Aguri NSX 2004 Honda Mugen Civic Type-R Hatch 2000 Honda Integra Type-R (Japan) 2003 Honda Mugen S2000 1992 Honda NSX-R (Japan) 2003 Honda JGTC #16 Dome Racing Team NSX 2002 Honda Integra Type-R (Japan) 2000 Honda Aerogear Integra Type-R 2000 Honda VIS Racing Integra Type-R 2004 Honda Wings West Civic R J Spec 2003 Hyundai Tiburon GT 2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 1993 Jaguar XJ220 Road Car 1961 Jaguar S1 E-type 3.8 2002 Koenigsegg CC8S 1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale 1992 Lancia Delta Integrale EVO 2002 Lexus SC430 2003 Lexus IS300 2002 Lotus Elise 111S 2002 Lotus Esprit V8 1972 Lotus Elan Sprint 2005 Lotus Exige 2005 Lotus Elise 1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo 2000 Mazda Miata MX-5 1.8i Sport 2004 Mazda RX-8 2003 Mazda Protￜgￜ MAZDASPEED 2004 Mazda 3 Sport 1995 Mazda RX-7 Turbo 2000 Mazda MX-5 MAZDASPEED 2004 Mazda RX-8 MAZDASPEED 2002 Mazda RX-7 Spirit R 1995 Mazda AB FlugRX-7 1995 Mazda INGS RX-7 1954 Mercedes 300SL Gullwing Coupe 1998 Mercedes CLK-GTR 2004 Mercedes C32 AMG 2004 Mercedes SLR 2003 Mercedes CLK55 AMG Coupe 2005 Mercedes CL65 AMG 2003 Mercedes-Benz CLK-DTM #3 Team Vodafone 2003 MINI Cooper-S 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII GSR RS 1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS 1999 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR 1998 Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R 1995 Mitsubishi Mine's CP9A Lancer Evolution VI RS 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII FQ-330 2004 Mitsubishi Sparco Lancer Evolution VIII 2002 Nissan Mine's GT-R (R34) 1972 Nissan 240 ZX 2003 Nissan 350Z Track 1998 Nissan #32 Nissan Motorsports R390 GT1 1994 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo Version R 2004 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE 2000 Nissan Silvia Spec-R 2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R V Spec II (R34) 1995 Nissan Skyline GT-R 1998 Nissan 240 SX SE 2003 Nissan Skyline V35 1994 Nissan Fairlady Twin Turbo 2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R V Spec II 2003 Nissan JGTC #3 Hasemi Motorsport Z33 350Z 2003 Nissan Fairlady 2003 Nissan JGTC #12 Team Impul Skyline 1998 Nissan Silvia (S14) 2003 Nissan JGTC #23 NISMO Skyline 1995 Nissan Mine's Skyline R32 GT-R 2002 Nissan Tommy Kaira Skyline GT-R R34 2003 Opel Performance Center #5 Team Phoenix Nￜrburgring 24 Astra V8 2004 Opel Speedster Turbo 2003 Opel Performance Center #6 Team Phoenix Nￜurburgring 24 Astra V8 1999 Pagani Zonda C12 2003 Pagani #17 Carsport America GR 2002 Panoz #10 JML Team Panoz LMP01 EPP 2001 Panoz Esperante GTL 2004 Peugeot 206 Gti 180 2004 Pontiac GTO 1968 Pontiac GTO Hardtop 1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS 1986 Porsche 959 2003 Porsche 911 GT3 2003 Porsche Carrera GT 1998 Porsche #26 911 GT1 Le Mans 1956 Porsche 550 A Spyder 1987 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3 1989 Porsche 944 Turbo 1987 Porsche #17 962 C 1995 Porsche 911 GT2 2003 Porsche Boxster S 2003 Porsche 3R-Racing 911 GT3 Cup (driven by Mike Fitzgerald) 2000 Porsche #23 Alex Job Racing 911GT3-RS 2003 Renault Sport Clio V6 RS 2002 Saab 9-3 Viggen 2004 Saleen S7 2000 Saleen Mustang S281 2000 Saleen #2 Konrad Motorsport S7R 2005 SEAT Cupra GT Racer 1999 Shelby Series 1 1968 Shelby Mustang GT-500KR 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi 1998 Subaru Impreza 22B STi 1999 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS Coupe 2003 Subaru JGTC #77 Cusco Racing Impreza 1998 Subaru Tommy Kaira Impreza M20b 2002 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi Spec-C (Japan) Forza Edition 1998 Toyota Supra Twin Turbo 2003 Toyota Celica GT-S 1985 Toyota AE86 Sprinter Trueno GT Apex 1995 Toyota MR2 Turbo T-Bar 1999 Toyota #27 GT-ONE TS020 2004 Toyota Camry Solara 1969 Toyota 2000GT 2002 Toyota MR2 Spyder 1992 Toyota Supra Turbo 2004 Toyota Altezza RS200 2003 Toyota Celica 1800 VVT-i 2002 Toyota MR-S 2002 Toyota Tom's Z382 Soarer 2002 Toyota Soarer 430SCV 1995 Toyota Tom's T020 MR2 2002 Toyota Tom's W123 MR-S 2003 Toyota JGTC #36 Team TOMS Supra 2003 Toyota JGTC #1 Toyota Team Le Mans Supra 1998 Toyota AB Flug Supra Turbo S900 2003 Toyota APR Performance Celica GTS 1998 Toyota VeilSide Supra Fortune 03 1998 Toyota VeilSide Supra Fortune 99 1995 Toyota Border MR2 Turbo T-bar 1995 Toyota VIS Racing MR2 Turbo T-Bar 2003 Toyota JGTC # 35 Kraft Supra 2001 TVR Tuscan S 1998 TVR Cerbera Speed 12 2001 TVR Tuscan R 2004 Vauxhall VX220 Turbo 2003 Volkswagen Golf R32 1995 Volkswagen Corrado SLC 2004 Volkswagen New Beetle 1.8T Turbo S 2003 Volkswagen Jetta GLX VR6 2004 Volvo S60 R 2004 Volvo #24 At-Speed Motorsports S60 R (driven by Derek Bell) -- Rob Berryhill

Rob Berryhill wrote: > For those that have been asking, here is the complete car list for > Forza:<snip> It's too bad an American developed driving game has so few American cars... Frankly, I am getting sick to death of Skylines and such. At least it has some European cars that aren't found in most other games. But no Australian.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jeremy Reaban" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's too bad an American developed driving game has so few American >cars... > >Frankly, I am getting sick to death of Skylines and such. At least it >has some European cars that aren't found in most other games. But no >Australian. Agreed on all points. At least it moves the bias somewhat. I can see why GT is biased towards Japanese cars. With the current popularity of these cars (in no small part driven by GT), I guess MS figured they had to follow. The easy way out and I wish they were more balanced or even biased towards non-Japanese cars.

Jeremy Reaban wrote: > Frankly, I am getting sick to death of Skylines and such. At least it > has some European cars that aren't found in most other games. But no > Australian. The Holden Monaro is there in its Pontiac GTO form - and since I just won one in career mode I'd better go give it a try. :) -- Mr Q -------------------

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> For those that have been asking, here is the complete car list for > Forza: > > From http://www.xbox.com/en-US/news/20050117/forza.htm > > Forza Motorsport Final Car Roster > 2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello > 2004 Ferrari 360 Modena > 1964 Ferrari 250 GTO > 2003 Enzo Ferrari > 1995 Ferrari F50 > 1993 Ferrari 512 TR > 1984 Ferrari GTO > 1992 Ferrari F40 > 1967 Ferrari 330 P4 > 1969 Ferrari Dino 246 GT > 1998 Ferrari 355 GTS > 2005 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti > 1996 Ferrari #12 Risi Competizione > 1998 Ferrari F355 Challenge > 2003 Ferrari #88 Veloqx Prodrive Racing 550 Maranello > 2004 Ferrari Challenge Stradale > 1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS > 1986 Porsche 959 > 2003 Porsche 911 GT3 > 2003 Porsche Carrera GT > 1998 Porsche #26 911 GT1 Le Mans > 1956 Porsche 550 A Spyder > 1987 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3 > 1989 Porsche 944 Turbo > 1987 Porsche #17 962 C > 1995 Porsche 911 GT2 > 2003 Porsche Boxster S > 2003 Porsche 3R-Racing 911 GT3 Cup (driven by Mike Fitzgerald) > 2000 Porsche #23 Alex Job Racing 911GT3-RS

A console sim game with a Ferrari's and Porsche's...finally.

Jeremy Reaban wrote:

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> Rob Berryhill wrote: > >>For those that have been asking, here is the complete car list for >>Forza: > > <snip> > > It's too bad an American developed driving game has so few American > cars... > > Frankly, I am getting sick to death of Skylines and such. At least it > has some European cars that aren't found in most other games. But no > Australian. > >

Australian Cars? Well, Pontiac's GTO was made in Australia if that makes you feel better. I guess they trying to go with more popular brands and I've never even heard of an Aussie branded car :) But I personally love my Japanese cars :)

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> Jeremy Reaban wrote: > >> Frankly, I am getting sick to death of Skylines and such. At least it >> has some European cars that aren't found in most other games. But no >> Australian. > > > The Holden Monaro is there in its Pontiac GTO form - and since I just > won one in career mode I'd better go give it a try. :) >

that's what I was talking about; I should have read the entire thread first.

On Fri, 6 May 2005 01:45:24 -0500, "Jeremy Reaban" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>|Rob Berryhill wrote: >|> For those that have been asking, here is the complete car list for >|> Forza: >|<snip> >| >|It's too bad an American developed driving game has so few American >|cars... >| >|Frankly, I am getting sick to death of Skylines and such. At least it >|has some European cars that aren't found in most other games. But no >|Australian. >|

I wanted the Pacer. :( Pluvious

Jeremy Reaban wrote:

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> Rob Berryhill wrote: > >>For those that have been asking, here is the complete car list for >>Forza: > > <snip> > > It's too bad an American developed driving game has so few American > cars... > > Frankly, I am getting sick to death of Skylines and such. At least it > has some European cars that aren't found in most other games. But no > Australian. > >

I forgot to mention. Its too bad American doesn't make enuff racers that aren't clunky gas guzzlers with iimited naturally apsirated engines, otherwise, the Forza developers may have realeased more. Gimme more and more Skylines. Properly equipped, they'll spank the shit out of a viper, GTO, Mustang, or VET any day!

Dave wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Jeremy Reaban" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>It's too bad an American developed driving game has so few American >>cars... >> >>Frankly, I am getting sick to death of Skylines and such. At least it >>has some European cars that aren't found in most other games. But no >>Australian. > > > Agreed on all points. At least it moves the bias somewhat. I can > see why GT is biased towards Japanese cars. With the current > popularity of these cars (in no small part driven by GT), I guess > MS figured they had to follow. The easy way out and I wish they > were more balanced or even biased towards non-Japanese cars.

Biased? How so? That game plenty European cars and American cars. Maybe it was easier for them to get licenses for the Japanese cars than the other companies. Plus Japanese cars like Honda and Toyota aren't so "Japanese" anymore. Honda alone has about 6 plants here in America with one being in Canada. I don't even want to know how many Toyota has here because I know its a lot.

In article <6BRee.2381$[email hidden]>, theOne <[email hidden]> wrote: >I forgot to mention. Its too bad American doesn't make enuff racers that > aren't clunky gas guzzlers with iimited naturally apsirated engines, >otherwise, the Forza developers may have realeased more. Gimme more and >more Skylines. Properly equipped, they'll spank the shit out of a viper, >GTO, Mustang, or VET any day! Uhh, yeah, sure, whatever you say ...

Dave wrote:

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> In article <6BRee.2381$[email hidden]>, theOne <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>I forgot to mention. Its too bad American doesn't make enuff racers that >> aren't clunky gas guzzlers with iimited naturally apsirated engines, >>otherwise, the Forza developers may have realeased more. Gimme more and >>more Skylines. Properly equipped, they'll spank the shit out of a viper, >>GTO, Mustang, or VET any day! > > > Uhh, yeah, sure, whatever you say ...

Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 V Spec with over 700 horses of terror?....ur right! There isn't any argument there :)

In article <d4e7$427becc2$41883b32$[email hidden]>, Omega X <[email hidden]> wrote: >Biased? How so? That game plenty European cars and American cars. Maybe >it was easier for them to get licenses for the Japanese cars than the >other companies. Maybe, but that's still a bias. And I do admit the game has a very fine selection of cars. Complaining is sort of case of looking the gift horse, but since this is the internet and that's our way ... A quick scan shows: 27 Hondas/Acuras 20 Nissans 27 Toyota/Lexus 11 Mazdas 10 Mitsubishis In total, about 105 from Japan. I guess I'm "biased" by seeing 7 Evo's, 8 Skyline GT-R's, 8 Supras, 5 RX-7's, 7 NSX's. Am I the only one playing GT4 who is avoiding all of these? I'm so tired of them. Add just those up and it equals the TOTAL of the American cars. Even 7 Integras! The only US car that gets coverage like that is the Corvette, and it has 50 years of history to cover. To be fair, I'm pretty happy with their choice of American cars, but surely it would be a lot larger if covered with the same devotion and depth as the Japanese? As to Europe, I love the coverage of Porsche and Ferrari. That alone makes this game a must-have. Conversely, BMW gets barely any (4 race cars). Renault & Peugeot one, Citroen none, Fiat none. Meanwhile, they give us the Acura CL Type-S, but no stock 3-series. Much more balanced than GT, but can still go a ways. >Plus Japanese cars like Honda and Toyota aren't so >"Japanese" anymore. Honda alone has about 6 plants here in America with >one being in Canada. I don't even want to know how many Toyota has here >because I know its a lot. I think about 70% of the Japanese cars sold in the US/North America are now made in the US (or North America). That is not what we were referring to. If you still insist, I'll concede the point and modify it to "traditional American and European brands".

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> In article <d4e7$427becc2$41883b32$[email hidden]>, Omega X <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>Biased? How so? That game plenty European cars and American cars. Maybe >>it was easier for them to get licenses for the Japanese cars than the >>other companies. > > > Maybe, but that's still a bias. > > And I do admit the game has a very fine selection of cars. > Complaining is sort of case of looking the gift horse, but since > this is the internet and that's our way ... > > A quick scan shows: > > 27 Hondas/Acuras > 20 Nissans > 27 Toyota/Lexus > 11 Mazdas > 10 Mitsubishis > > In total, about 105 from Japan. > > I guess I'm "biased" by seeing 7 Evo's, 8 Skyline GT-R's, 8 > Supras, 5 RX-7's, 7 NSX's. Am I the only one playing GT4 who > is avoiding all of these? I'm so tired of them. Add just those > up and it equals the TOTAL of the American cars. Even 7 Integras! > > The only US car that gets coverage like that is the Corvette, and > it has 50 years of history to cover. To be fair, I'm pretty happy > with their choice of American cars, but surely it would be a lot > larger if covered with the same devotion and depth as the > Japanese? > > As to Europe, I love the coverage of Porsche and Ferrari. That > alone makes this game a must-have. Conversely, BMW gets barely > any (4 race cars). Renault & Peugeot one, Citroen none, Fiat none. > Meanwhile, they give us the Acura CL Type-S, but no stock > 3-series. > > Much more balanced than GT, but can still go a ways. > > >>Plus Japanese cars like Honda and Toyota aren't so >>"Japanese" anymore. Honda alone has about 6 plants here in America with >>one being in Canada. I don't even want to know how many Toyota has here >>because I know its a lot. > > > I think about 70% of the Japanese cars sold in the US/North > America are now made in the US (or North America). That is not > what we were referring to. If you still insist, I'll concede the > point and modify it to "traditional American and European brands".

Bitch, bitch, bitch, I hear Ford Mustang Racing calling you :) Competitive Street Cars and new American cars shouldn't be used in the same sentence. They got the Vette, the Ford GT, Mustang, GTO, Camaros, Chryslers, that craptacular Neon. What else is there?

"Rob Berryhill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > For those that have been asking, here is the > complete car list for > Forza: > > From > http://www.xbox.com/en-US/news/20050117/forza.htm Interesting they didn't include the ONE car that would most likely win every race it was entered in. Against all comers I might add...I submit the "Porsche 917/30" as driven by Mark Donahue. 8^) IMO the most kick ass car ever... Damn it have have GOT to convince the wife I need the game. Groceries can wait... -- Keith Schiffner Assistant to the Assistant Undersecretary of the Ministry of Silly Walks. "terrorist organization" is a redundancy

In article <vgVee.1538$[email hidden]>, theOne <[email hidden]> wrote: >Bitch, bitch, bitch, I hear Ford Mustang Racing calling you :) Well, Ford Racing 3 is only $14.99 :-) But I work for GM ;-) >Competitive Street Cars and new American cars shouldn't be used in the >same sentence. They got the Vette, the Ford GT, Mustang, GTO, Camaros, >Chryslers, that craptacular Neon. What else is there? Well, since it seems that if the Evo changes the ashtray design, it gets a new designation, and addition to these games (esp GT-series), I'd like them to include a C4 'Vette, a non-Z06 C5 'Vette, a C3, a '59-'62. I'll let the Ford folk speak for themselves :-) Hey, just noticed they have an '04 Camry Solara. Man, can't wait to try out that baby! Seriously, it is a well-chosen list of cars. I do like their selective inclusion of older cars (though I miss my older gen 'Lude). If I had the choice, I would have foregone 35 versions of EvoWRXGT-R in favor of more euro brands. But even as is, the mix is better than GT4's larger list.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jeremy Reaban" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Rob Berryhill wrote: >> For those that have been asking, here is the complete car list for >> Forza: ><snip> > >It's too bad an American developed driving game has so few American >cars...

when the US start making good racers they'd get featured in games :) US like to make and drive SUV's but there aren't THAT many that can be concidered good racers. someone mentioned ~70% of cars featured are built in JAP and EUROPE but thats who make the majority of cars on the road.

Dave wrote:

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> In article <vgVee.1538$[email hidden]>, theOne <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>Bitch, bitch, bitch, I hear Ford Mustang Racing calling you :) > > > Well, Ford Racing 3 is only $14.99 :-) But I work for GM ;-) > > >>Competitive Street Cars and new American cars shouldn't be used in the >>same sentence. They got the Vette, the Ford GT, Mustang, GTO, Camaros, >>Chryslers, that craptacular Neon. What else is there? > > > Well, since it seems that if the Evo changes the ashtray design, > it gets a new designation, and addition to these games (esp > GT-series), I'd like them to include a C4 'Vette, a non-Z06 C5 > 'Vette, a C3, a '59-'62. I'll let the Ford folk speak for > themselves :-) > > Hey, just noticed they have an '04 Camry Solara. Man, can't wait > to try out that baby! > > Seriously, it is a well-chosen list of cars. I do like their > selective inclusion of older cars (though I miss my older gen > 'Lude). If I had the choice, I would have foregone 35 versions of > EvoWRXGT-R in favor of more euro brands. But even as is, the mix > is better than GT4's larger list.

okay, you have a point with the solara... IMO,I think it boils down to a couple of things. As you know, popularitiy with Japanese branded cars has skyrocketed for the last 5 years or so. *Most* people don't even consider American sports cars when buying a car ('cept for maybe the recent hype in say the 'stangs armerican sports cars have been dead). And Euros are just too expensive and generaally less bang for your buck unless you're going high end. I think in incorporating more of those cars, they'd have people bitching from the other side of the fence cuz hey, why ruin a already proven method? GT has been selling like hotcakes for years; the devs knew they couldn't go wrong with japanese cars. What low end to mid end cars does Europe make? Also there is the "upgradeability" of lower end Japanese cars that people like. Turbine kits are funner than Superchargers :) GM huh? Is that the GM that lost over a billion dollars in the red last year ;) BTW, don't bullshit, there are quite a few differnt type Lancers in teh Market. Forza incorporated only seven, and *six* Dodge Vipers. I think you're exagerating! Soccer moms want to pimp their Solaras too!

"theOne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AwUee.1526$[email hidden]... > Dave wrote: > > In article <6BRee.2381$[email hidden]>, theOne<[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > > > >>I forgot to mention. Its too bad American doesn't make enuff racers that > >> aren't clunky gas guzzlers with iimited naturally apsirated engines, > >>otherwise, the Forza developers may have realeased more. Gimme more and > >>more Skylines. Properly equipped, they'll spank the shit out of a viper, > >>GTO, Mustang, or VET any day! > > > > > > Uhh, yeah, sure, whatever you say ... > > > Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 V Spec with over 700 horses of terror?....ur > right! There isn't any argument there :)

I have a 69 Camaro wtih 750+ horses and I don't even have it topped out yet :-) It's a rocket ship but hard as hell to keep on a road with a lot of sharp turns.

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> "theOne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:AwUee.1526$[email hidden]... > >>Dave wrote: >> >>>In article <6BRee.2381$[email hidden]>, theOne > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>> >>>>I forgot to mention. Its too bad American doesn't make enuff racers that >>>>aren't clunky gas guzzlers with iimited naturally apsirated engines, >>>>otherwise, the Forza developers may have realeased more. Gimme more and >>>>more Skylines. Properly equipped, they'll spank the shit out of a viper, >>>>GTO, Mustang, or VET any day! >>> >>> >>>Uhh, yeah, sure, whatever you say ... >> >> >>Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 V Spec with over 700 horses of terror?....ur >>right! There isn't any argument there :) > > > I have a 69 Camaro wtih 750+ horses and I don't even have it topped out yet > :-) > It's a rocket ship but hard as hell to keep on a road with a lot of sharp > turns. > >

I bet old 'bessie is all over the asphalt :) I guess you won the classic car competition. What'd you race it with?