GPLRank World Champions Cup

Ok sp I thought it would be more interesting (to me) if the nations cup had an option to only incorporate the top drivers in each country... SO I brought out my calculator, and averaged the top 4 scores from each country. (that's three BOLD drivers and an alternate) I also threw out any country with out 4 negative drivers as being ineligible. 1 Finland 74.56 2 Germany 70.42 3 Australia 68.17 4 United Kingdom 64.03 5 United States 62.26 6 Nertherlands 62.24 7 Sweden 55.78 8 Spain 52.87 9 Slovenia 51.62 10 France 50.63 11 Hungary 50.49 12 England 42.19 13 Canada 41.23 14 Scotland 41.95 15 Norway 39.17 16 Denmark 36.14 17 Italy 33.12 18 New Zealand 31.52 19 Czech Repub 29.95 20 Japan 29.55 21 Austria 24.81 22 Ireland 24.09 23 Belgium 22.58 Ok, so Finland finally gets that #1 they deserve, and Slovenia still does really well considering they only have 8 overall drivers to draft from, same within Hungary. Wales was thrown out with only 3 guys, but thanks to Rick Prydden, they would still get a 26.54, if you divide the 3 eligible drivers by 4. Brazil was also thrown out, but special mention goes out to Leandro Schmidt for bringing their average to a 27.74 The other story here of course is the United States, who have lot of very very low outliers in the current system, but with just their best, they rank 5th, which in some ways is still pretty low, when drawing from 330 drivers. But it ends up looking like real Formula 1... A Fin, A German kicking everyone's arse. :) One question... Who's the United Kingdom, if England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, South Africa, Canada and the United States? Are there 167 drivers in some obscure UK island in the south pacific or something? congrats to the Fins for an amazing bunch of guys! Especially Gregor, who may well be one of the greatest drivers in the world, and could compete in real life given the opportunity.

LOL!!! Please do not delude yourself that being a GPL expert translates into real-life expertise. If that were the case, most of us would be faster than Jim Clark. We beat his times after all don't we? News flash... NONE of us, including GH, are faster than Jim Clark. Gregor Huttu is an extremely talented sim-racer. However, sim-racing is many miles away from real racing. Don't forget that. JP "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HZQ%5.110117$[email hidden]... > > congrats to the Fins for an amazing bunch of guys! Especially Gregor, who > may well be one of the greatest drivers in the world, and could compete in > real life given the opportunity. > >

I wasn't implying that anyone was actually better than Jim Clark, that's like saying I bought the Bobby Fisher electronic chess board from Radio Shack, and since I can beat that, I can beat Bobby Fisher... I WAS implying, that if his skills were to be applied to real racing for all these years, that it wouldn't be the improbable to see him some sort of professional racing, if not F1. Especially keeping in mind that being fast doesn't necessarily mean good at racing. Besides, there's only a few really outstanding GPL guys out there, I'm not saying everyone, just a few. Racing IS racing, Schumacher isn't a god, what if he hadn't gotten the breaks, and then started really enjoying GPL, then he would be considered good at GPL, but hey he's not anything compared to what they do in real life. JP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:91oo3a$gls$[email hidden]...

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> LOL!!! > Please do not delude yourself that being a GPL expert translates into > real-life expertise. > If that were the case, most of us would be faster than Jim Clark. We beat > his times after all don't we? > News flash... NONE of us, including GH, are faster than Jim Clark. > Gregor Huttu is an extremely talented sim-racer. However, sim-racing is > many miles away from real racing. Don't forget that. > JP > > "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HZQ%5.110117$[email hidden]... > > > > congrats to the Fins for an amazing bunch of guys! Especially Gregor,

who > > may well be one of the greatest drivers in the world, and could competein > > real life given the opportunity. > > > > > >

Agreed. Fear causes its own limitations, after all were not likely to push our arse through our brain or become a human torch drivin' a 'puter. Alan "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:91oo3a$gls$[email hidden]...

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> LOL!!! > Please do not delude yourself that being a GPL expert translates into > real-life expertise. > If that were the case, most of us would be faster than Jim Clark. We beat > his times after all don't we? > News flash... NONE of us, including GH, are faster than Jim Clark. > Gregor Huttu is an extremely talented sim-racer. However, sim-racing is > many miles away from real racing. Don't forget that. > JP > > "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HZQ%5.110117$[email hidden]... > > > > congrats to the Fins for an amazing bunch of guys! Especially Gregor,

who > > may well be one of the greatest drivers in the world, and could competein > > real life given the opportunity. > > > > > >

Do you take into consideration few points? 1 - real life racing drivers are very small group of people, because to get involved in the motorsport one needs a lot of money. And I would guess that in 60s this group was even smaller than now, because there was much less sponsorship available. 2 - sim-racing is much more open to everybody who wants to try himself 3 - if one let Jim Clark practice those tracks as many time as we do and provided him with Shift-R to reset the car (and life is necessary), how many of us would be faster than him? And why do you think that the skilled involved are much different? From my personal experience, I can use things I've learned in GPL in karts and vica versa. Some time ago there was an article about the guy who won Australian GPL championship. He's got test in some open-wheel formula in the racing school and has beaten their record. Has anybody saved the link to that article? So I wouldn't be surprised if Gregor Huttu, given the opportunity was in F1 now. How old he is, btw? Maybe it's not too late? :) Alex. [email hidden] (JP) wrote in <91oo3a$gls$[email hidden]>:

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>LOL!!! >Please do not delude yourself that being a GPL expert translates into >real-life expertise. >If that were the case, most of us would be faster than Jim Clark. We >beat his times after all don't we? >News flash... NONE of us, including GH, are faster than Jim Clark. >Gregor Huttu is an extremely talented sim-racer. However, sim-racing is >many miles away from real racing. Don't forget that. >JP > >"Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:HZQ%5.110117$[email hidden]... >> >> congrats to the Fins for an amazing bunch of guys! Especially Gregor, >> who may well be one of the greatest drivers in the world, and could >> compete in real life given the opportunity. >> >> > >

"Alex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Do you take into consideration few points? > 1 - real life racing drivers are very small group of > people, because to get involved in the motorsport > one needs a lot of money. And I would guess that > in 60s this group was even smaller than now, > because there was much less sponsorship available. Costs were less back then, even accounting for inflation. I saw an interview with Ken Tyrell where he spoke of his handshake contract with Jackie Stewart. These days, the lawyer fees to draw up the contract itself would equal what he paid JS back then, he remarked.

Racing drivers come from a very small group there can't be more than 50000(being over generous) people in the world activly involved in moter racing when you take into account there are at least 200 million people that regulaly play football that is a very small amount of people. At every grand prix there will be someone in the croud if they had had the opertunity would be better than Schmacher, he isn't a genius he is just the best from a small group, Pele was a genius. Best of 200 million is very diffent to the best of 50000, in football best of 50000 is and average premiere league player. What I am trying to say is that as Greger is the best from a group of about 1500 it isn't crazy to say he could make it as a racing driver if his dad was rich and he had got into karting at an early age. GPL isn't even nearly the same as real driving but being fast involves the same skils. Alex Cameron "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:91oo3a$gls$[email hidden]...

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> LOL!!! > Please do not delude yourself that being a GPL expert translates into > real-life expertise. > If that were the case, most of us would be faster than Jim Clark. We beat > his times after all don't we? > News flash... NONE of us, including GH, are faster than Jim Clark. > Gregor Huttu is an extremely talented sim-racer. However, sim-racing is > many miles away from real racing. Don't forget that. > JP > > "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HZQ%5.110117$[email hidden]... > > > > congrats to the Fins for an amazing bunch of guys! Especially Gregor,

who > > may well be one of the greatest drivers in the world, and could competein > > real life given the opportunity. > > > > > >

Kai Fuller wrote on 19 Dec 2000: <snip> >4 United Kingdom 64.03 >5 United States 62.26<snip> Hooray! <g> >One question... Who's the United Kingdom, if England, Ireland, Wales, >Scotland, South Africa, Canada and the United States? Are there 167 >drivers in some obscure UK island in the south pacific or something?<snip> I agree with your attitude, actually. I've never liked GPLRank having this option - it's not as if there are separate classifications for all 50 US states[1] - but not enough of my fellow admins care enough to change the system. I'd like to see it say "UK" full stop. You may prefer to represent England, Wales or Wolverhampton, but as things stand the UK is an independent country, and none of them are[2]. It does look silly having "dual nationality" like this. [1] Yeah, all right, it's actually something like 48 states, 2 commonwealths, 1 DC and 0.5 extra bit[3], but never mind. [2] Wolverhampton is a city now, of course - just thought I'd mention that... [3] Puerto Rico. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

any way we could get this implemented on the site? I think it would be a lot of fun, for the best of the best to fight for their countries. David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Kai Fuller wrote on 19 Dec 2000: > > <snip> > >4 United Kingdom 64.03 > >5 United States 62.26 > <snip> > > Hooray! <g> > > >One question... Who's the United Kingdom, if England, Ireland, Wales, > >Scotland, South Africa, Canada and the United States? Are there 167 > >drivers in some obscure UK island in the south pacific or something? > <snip> > > I agree with your attitude, actually. I've never liked GPLRank having this > option - it's not as if there are separate classifications for all 50 US > states[1] - but not enough of my fellow admins care enough to change the > system. I'd like to see it say "UK" full stop. You may prefer to represent > England, Wales or Wolverhampton, but as things stand the UK is an > independent country, and none of them are[2]. It does look silly having > "dual nationality" like this. > > [1] Yeah, all right, it's actually something like 48 states, 2 > commonwealths, 1 DC and 0.5 extra bit[3], but never mind. > > [2] Wolverhampton is a city now, of course - just thought I'd mention > that... > > [3] Puerto Rico. > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) > The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,

really" - > Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

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>Kai Fuller wrote on 19 Dec 2000: >>One question... Who's the United Kingdom, if England, Ireland, Wales, >>Scotland, South Africa, Canada and the United States? Are there 167 >>drivers in some obscure UK island in the south pacific or something? ><snip> > >I agree with your attitude, actually. I've never liked GPLRank having this >option - it's not as if there are separate classifications for all 50 US >states[1] - but not enough of my fellow admins care enough to change the >system. I'd like to see it say "UK" full stop. You may prefer to represent >England, Wales or Wolverhampton, but as things stand the UK is an >independent country, and none of them are[2]. It does look silly having >"dual nationality" like this.

This came about becauses individuals on GPLRanks requested it of Uwe and he wanted to be accommodating, seemed harmless enough initially. Then after you do it once, you have to grant every other request, more than expected came, and we end up with what we have now. I suppose it wouldn't have developed this far if there had been a huge outcry right off, but there wasn't. I do agree that it's a bit of a mess, but I wouldn't care to get anywhere near this political can of worms. Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -5.29 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Kai Fuller wrote on 19 Dec 2000: > > >One question... Who's the United Kingdom, if England, Ireland,Wales, > >Scotland, South Africa, Canada and the United States? Are there 167 > >drivers in some obscure UK island in the south pacific orsomething? > <snip> > > I agree with your attitude, actually. I've never liked GPLRankhaving this > option - it's not as if there are separate classifications for all50 US > states[1] - but not enough of my fellow admins care enough to changethe > system. I'd like to see it say "UK" full stop. You may prefer torepresent > England, Wales or Wolverhampton, but as things stand the UK is an > independent country, and none of them are[2]. In the real 1967 season, there were drivers representing England and Scotland, but not UK (nor Wolverhampton!).

> Jackie Stewart. These days, the lawyer fees to draw up the contractitself > would equal what he paid JS back then, he remarked. Including the fact that JS has been the first driver to act as a true businessma. Clark was a farmer ( as finn Gr�nholm today ! ), Surtees a former motorbiker ( several times Worldchampion, the only guy to have been Wold champion on 2 and 4 wheels ), Hill was a mechanical crew member at Lotus aso.. These guys and their colleagues are in my mind closer to through heroes than today drivers. Remember that 20 - 25 % of the world class drivers of that time is dead on racing or trials each year ! Makes a big difference. -- Hnic [email hidden]