21st B'day trip to the 'ring

I'm planning on thrashing around the Nurburgring in April for my 21st :o) Where is the website which has info about prices / opening times? Rob Swindells

"Brian Swindells" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:927mln$lkg$[email hidden]... > I'm planning on thrashing around the Nurburgring in April for my 21st :o) > Where is the website which has info about prices / opening times? > > Rob Swindells http://www.nuerburgring.de/ obviously ;)). Regards Crash

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 18:29:43 +0100, "Joachim Blum" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"Brian Swindells" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >news:927mln$lkg$[email hidden]... >> I'm planning on thrashing around the Nurburgring in April for my 21st :o) >> Where is the website which has info about prices / opening times? >> >> Rob Swindells Be carefull Rob, no shift-R there! Andre > >http://www.nuerburgring.de/ >obviously ;)). > >Regards >Crash

"Brian Swindells" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:927mln$lkg$[email hidden]... > I'm planning on thrashing around the Nurburgring in April for my 21st :o) In case you haven't seen this: http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/en/multimedia/ If GPL hasn't prepared you enough watch some of these videos... SB. -- --------------- return e-mail address invalid reply to me in the newsgroup ---------------

No need for shift-r on the 'Ring in real life Andre... as you can feel exactly how much grip you've got left. And the fact you're in your own car (which costs money), not immortal and subject to g-loads the track throws at you, not to mention hundreds of km away from home and someone who speaks your language/uses you currency, makes sure you approach the limit from the right side. If I can organise a meet with people from the online leagues I'm in next spring... you comin'? Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote... > <snip> > Be carefull Rob, no shift-R there! > > Andre

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 04:17:31 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >No need for shift-r on the 'Ring in real life Andre... as you can feel >exactly how much grip you've got left. And the fact you're in your own car >(which costs money), not immortal and subject to g-loads the track throws at >you, not to mention hundreds of km away from home and someone who speaks >your language/uses you currency, makes sure you approach the limit from the >right side. You're right Jan, but still a lot of accidents happen every year at the Ring. And it's not allways the fault of the driver, it seems that the combination of Porsches, motorbikes, Mini's and touring busses is not the safest combination you can imagine.. :) >If I can organise a meet with people from the online leagues I'm in next >spring... you comin'? 100% !! Just mail me when and where! I'm going to kick some ass in my Peugeot 106 1.4 :) Andre

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>Jan. >=--- >Andre Warringa wrote... >> <snip> >> Be carefull Rob, no shift-R there! >> >> Andre >

Andre Warringa wrote: >I'm going to kick some ass in my Peugeot 106 1.4 :) That's what you said earlier this year. 86 laps I've done since then and still haven't seen you there! By the way, 2001 opening times haven't yet been published, but Easter is a fixture. And Easter Monday is when the Grand Prix track is connected to the Nordschleife. I don't even know when Easter is, but I believe it's April, so the Easter weekend would be an obvious suggestion. Not that it's going to be quiet. -Laurens de Jong.

Might be a good day for watching, "schadenfreude ist die schonste freude". ;-) Jan. =--- Laurens de Jong wrote...

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> Andre Warringa wrote: > >I'm going to kick some ass in my Peugeot 106 1.4 :) > > That's what you said earlier this year. 86 laps I've > done since then and still haven't seen you there! > > By the way, 2001 opening times haven't yet been published, > but Easter is a fixture. And Easter Monday is when the > Grand Prix track is connected to the Nordschleife. I don't > even know when Easter is, but I believe it's April, so the > Easter weekend would be an obvious suggestion. > > Not that it's going to be quiet. > > -Laurens de Jong.

Andre Warringa wrote... > <snip> > You're right Jan, but still a lot of accidents happen > every year at the Ring. True, what struck me though, apart from the number skidmarks leading off the track, is the amount of risks other people were prepared to take. I'm having a hard time believing anyone is dumb enough to really risk losing control of his/her own car, knowing they need it to drive home in to boot. Like we agreed on before, we're not talking professional racing drivers here. > And it's not allways the fault of the driver, it seems > that the combination of Porsches, motorbikes, Mini's and > touring busses is not the safest combination you can > imagine.. :) True, IMO it would make good sense to at least seperate the cars and the bikes. Speed differences between cars may be substantial, but at some points on the track the bikes are at least 60mph faster than your average production car. But keeping safe is largely your own decision... anyone who, under those track conditions, goes in search of the traction limit or into a blind bit at full chat is certifiable IMO. Case in point I nearly punted a bike at the shortcut to Hatzenbach... Because of another bike passing me in the preceding section, I was on a shallow entry. This guy came up behind and misjudged it, he went around the outside and cut across eventhough it was obvious (to me at least) that unless I somehow turned way tighter than projected, our trajectories would cross in the most painfull manner imaginable. I actually managed to pivot the car around the turn and we missed eachother by about a meter. WAY too close for my liking. Had I hit him, I doubt I'd have felt terribly guilty about it. Under crowded conditions and with the mix of vehicles and abilities present there, I think it's a mistake to think a certain piece of track will be made available to you unless you really communicate. > 100% !! Just mail me when and where! I'm going to kick some > ass in my Peugeot 106 1.4 :) Hmmmm... my 1.4 Nissan's heavier, but has a wider track... could be interesting. :-)) Jan. =---

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >No need for shift-r on the 'Ring in real life Andre... as you can feel >exactly how much grip you've got left. [...] I know you've responded to other posts questioning this point. My own experience from one trip to the 'ring... Every lap I said "okay, I'll take this one easier". Every lap I drove harder. But no, I don't think I came too close to a limit, though my rental Audi A4 (1.6, oy!), was seriously scrubbing a few times. And I was putting a lot of faith in the prep that the rental company did. While I was there, the track was closed twice (helicopters both times) for accidents. I also saw a Ford Cosworth smashed against the armco, and a GTi spun right in front of me. It's dangerous. Fun, but dangerous. I keep wanting to go back, but keep feeling that maybe I shouldn't.

David Masten wrote: >I keep wanting to go back, but keep feeling that maybe I shouldn't. Welcome to the club. I have a suspicion I'll be welcome you there again, soon. -Laurens de Jong.

> If I can organise a meet with people from the online leagues I'm in next > spring... you comin'? Still picking me up from the airport I trust <G> MS

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:49:47 +0100, "Laurens de Jong" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Andre Warringa wrote: >>I'm going to kick some ass in my Peugeot 106 1.4 :) > >That's what you said earlier this year. 86 laps I've done since then and >still haven't seen you there! You're right :( I planned to go there a couple of times with a couple of friends, but everytime it got cancelled for one reason or another :( >By the way, 2001 opening times haven't yet been published, but Easter is a >fixture. And Easter Monday is when the Grand Prix track is connected to the >Nordschleife. I don't even know when Easter is, but I believe it's April, >so the Easter weekend would be an obvious suggestion. I didn't even know they connect the GP track to the Nordschleife.. How does it work exactly by the way, on the Nordschleife: You start and finish on the long straight? The former s/f part is being skipped now? Andre >Not that it's going to be quiet. > >-Laurens de Jong. > >

Andre Warringa wrote: >I didn't even know they connect the GP track to the Nordschleife.. For the public, the only time they do it is on Easter Monday. For all races that use the Nordschleife, except the 24-Hours, the sprint track is used (properly named N�rburgschleife, using the short-cut after the Castrol-S to get back to the Nordschleife). The 24-Hour race uses all of the GP Strecke to add to the Nordschleife, just like it is on Easter Monday. > How does it work exactly by the way, on the Nordschleife: You start > and finish on the long straight? The former s/f part is being skipped > now? Yes, the start is about halfway up the long straight. Then normally after Hohenrain, you make a sharp right onto the Start/Ziel area, used between 1984 and 1998. This is where you go straight ahead when the GP Strecke is connected. A friend of mine was once following a biker through Hohenrain who must have not been aware the GP Strecke was not open to the public that day. As my friend turned hard into the T13 righthander, the biker was still going straight, at speed. It must have been an amusing sight. No word on what happened to the biker (there's enough space to brake before you run into that wall there, though). New ticket prices are up, by the way. DM 22 for a single lap, DM 1025 for a year pass. That's a 3% increase. I know where _my_ Christmas bonus is going! -Laurens de Jong.

David Masten <[email hidden]> wrote: > But no, I don't think I came too close to a limit, though my rental Audi A4 > (1.6, oy!), was seriously scrubbing a few times. And I was putting a lot of > faith in the prep that the rental company did. What DO the car rental businesses of that part of the country think of "you people" anyway? Common sense says that they'll bar you for life from their shops if you mention the N-word within hearing range. .) +Cinquo

Jan Verschueren wrote: >Might be a good day for watching, "schadenfreude ist die schonste freude". Maybe, but apart from the obvious fact that any day watching at the N�rburgring is better than watching most other racing anywhere else, the best racing action you will find even there is the Eifel Klassik. Anyone who's ever seen historic racing will look at me in disbelief, but the Nordschleife must bring out something in the racers. I haven't seen that much sideways action on asphalt since the 70s! And all I wachted was practice. A friend and me were at Hohe Acht, not suspecting anything, when over a hundred classic racecars all came drifting around the corner, having to apply hefty amounts of opposite lock and quite a few of them running wide, spinning, or just slamming into the armco. This was the first lap of practice and we thought they'd be a little more careful the next time around. Not at all! It was beautiful and the best racing I've seen in a long long time. -Laurens de Jong.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:00:15 +0100, "Laurens de Jong" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> >New ticket prices are up, by the way. DM 22 for a single lap, DM 1025 for a >year pass. That's a 3% increase. I know where _my_ Christmas bonus is >going! Thanks for the info Laurens. Say, how long is the drive to the Nordschleife for you? It's a 4 hour drive from where I live, so I don't see myself buying a year pass (allthough DM1025 is quite cheap for a whole year!). DM22 is not really expensive too, karting costs allmost just as much for 10 minutes. And I hope they use the money to keep the road in a little bit better condition.. What do you drive on the ring, car or bike? And what kind? One other question, I've seen a lot of movies from the Ring, and I noticed that allmost the whole road is full with chalk writing. What's that for? Andre > >-Laurens de Jong. > >

On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:08:20 +0100, "Laurens de Jong" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Jan Verschueren wrote: >>Might be a good day for watching, "schadenfreude ist die schonste freude". > >Maybe, but apart from the obvious fact that any day watching at the >N�rburgring is better than watching most other racing anywhere else, the >best racing action you will find even there is the Eifel Klassik. > >Anyone who's ever seen historic racing will look at me in disbelief, but the >Nordschleife must bring out something in the racers. I haven't seen that >much sideways action on asphalt since the 70s! And all I wachted was >practice. A friend and me were at Hohe Acht, not suspecting anything, when >over a hundred classic racecars all came drifting around the corner, having >to apply hefty amounts of opposite lock and quite a few of them running >wide, spinning, or just slamming into the armco. This was the first lap of >practice and we thought they'd be a little more careful the next time >around. Not at all!

Whoa, sounds great! :) When is the next Eifel Klassik? Andre >It was beautiful and the best racing I've seen in a long long time. > >-Laurens de Jong. > >

Andre Warringa wrote >Say, how long is the drive to the Nordschleife for you? A little over 3 hours. I've taken eleven trips to N�rburg this year, between a half-day and 3-day weekends in length. Accomodation can easily be had for DM 50 in N�rburg or Adenau (although I normally stay in nearby Schuld). If DM 1025 is too much, then 5 laps for DM 88, 6 laps for DM 119 or 12 laps for DM 224 are alternatives. Of course, the real cost is much higher. Petrol, tires, brakes, shocks, divorce, it all adds up, you know! >And I hope they use the money to keep the road in a little bit bettercondition. Every Monday morning is used for track repairs. In the summer, work starts at 6 AM and they work until the job is done. Armco is fixed even quicker. I've seen armco bent by a crash that caused a track closure, which was repaired by the time the track was reopened. (Although actually, you are billed for damage to armco, so your DM 22 don't go towards that.) This is one reason you always have to do at least one recon lap when you come to the Ring. There are always little changes in track condition from week to week so if you've been away, say, 6 weeks, you can't count on the track being like it was when you last saw it. . >What do you drive on the ring, car or bike? And what kind? No bike, I'm happy to say. Not that there aren't very skilled and sensible bike riders out there, I just wouldn't be one of them. I used to drive my company car (like you), a Rover 400 1.6, until it sort of stopped resembling a car (mostly shocks). Since then I've rented (MX-5, Opel Astra Coupe, Volvo V70). In 2001 I will be buying a proper car... >One other question, I've seen a lot of movies from the Ring, and I >noticed that allmost the whole road is full with chalk writing. Spectators showing their support for racers in the 24-Hours, Veedol Langstreckpokal, or Castrol-Haugg Cup events. Most of this you don't really see. There's a German flag painted on the track just before the Kallenhard right-hander, which is kind of hard to miss, but other than that, the track looks black tarmac to me when I drive it. There are also dots painted on, take a closer look on one of those videos. These are the turn-in and apex points for the turns. Quite helpful! It's hard to find them when you're driving at first, but if you take the time to go watch trackside for a while, you will learn a lot about the line around the Ring. You'll see the difference between people hitting those turn-in and apex dots, and those who don't. And your GPL-experience isn't necessarily helpful, either. Some turn-in points from GPL don't work in real life, and vice versa. -Laurens de Jong.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:59:25 +0100, "Laurens de Jong" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Of course, the real cost is much higher. Petrol, tires, brakes, shocks, >divorce, it all adds up, you know! Company car :) >and apex dots, and those who don't. And your GPL-experience isn't >necessarily helpful, either. Some turn-in points from GPL don't work in >real life, and vice versa. If I remember correctly Henna Hakinnen did an interesting real Ring vs GPL Ring comparisson. I believe the jump before Flugplatz was thumbed down and the jump at the long straight isn't being used anymore? You leave the track just before the jump now? Any other significant differences between the real Ring and how it's modelled in GPL? How is Karrussel in real life, do you drive on the tiles or do you drive around them? Andre >-Laurens de Jong. > >

Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: > Any other significant differences between the real Ring and how it's > modelled in GPL? How is Karrussel in real life, do you drive on the > tiles or do you drive around them? If your bandwidth allows, check out the videos at <http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/en/multimedia/> (thanks to whoever mentioned this). Especially the high-res version of the first Porsche clip. IIRC, he drives on the concrete banking at both carousels. The most striking thing for me was that it seems much more... cramped in the videos. There's more stuff around the track (obviously) and it seems tighter in some ways. I guess the GPL field of view makes it look more spacious. - topi -- http://www.iki.fi/tjp/

Andre Warringa wrote: >If I remember correctly Henna Hakinnen did an interesting real Ring vs >GPL Ring comparisson. That's H�kk�nen... There are several comparison sites like that on the web: http://www.hyperstim.com/home_units/news/nurburgreport99/nurb99comparision.h tml http://puskarutaja.figc.net/nurburgr.htm And a satellite view: http://lugnutsgpl.homestead.com/files/nordschleife_vs__GPL.jpg Apart from things the Papyrus engineers didn't get quite right, there are also differences in the N�rburgring, because of the 1971 rebuild. The jump in Kesselchen was removed (and I don't think anyone gets airborned there in GPL, anyway, but it was a real jump in 1967!); the jump in Br�nnchen too, gone; jumps at Quiddelbacher H�he and the Dottinger H�he straight flattened; and a lot of curves straightened out. For instance, I have a picture of the run-up from Klostertal to Karussell, taken briefly after the rebuild. You can still see how the track used to run, and it's obvious how much easier it's become! The last right-hand turn just before Karussell, which most of us can now safely ignore, was just that little much tighter back then, making it impossible to drive straight all the way from Klostertal. It's little things like that all over the track that make N�rburgring a much easier place to drive now, than in the sixties. >Any other significant differences between the real Ring and how it'smodelled in GPL? The most significant difference to me is the left-hander just before Pflanzgarten. It's might tighter in GPL than it ever was, and certainly than it is today. You can easily see that for yourself in the satellite view comparison, see above. >How is Karrussel in real life, do you drive on the tiles or do you drivearound them? I told you this before, Andre! Try to remember now..... I drive on the concrete banking. A very few take the outside line, to save their vehicles a little. Some people's cars have little ground clearance (I've taken passenger laps in a Porsche 928 and Ferrari 355 that had that problem), which is a problem in the Karussell. They have to put two wheels on the apron. In your 106, it's just a matter of throwing your car in, accelerate somewhat throughout and then pop out around the corner. Fun, fun, fun! But... you can be launched pretty hard there. I've seen an 85 hp Opel Kadett fly into the armco there. -Laurens de Jong. PS. Eifel Klassik in 2001 will be from October 5-7.

On 27 Dec 2000 12:58:20 GMT, Topi Paavola <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Any other significant differences between the real Ring and how it's >> modelled in GPL? How is Karrussel in real life, do you drive on the >> tiles or do you drive around them? > >If your bandwidth allows, check out the videos at ><http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/en/multimedia/> (thanks to whoever >mentioned this). Especially the high-res version of the first Porsche >clip. IIRC, he drives on the concrete banking at both carousels.

I downloaded all the movies there and burnt them on cd's. I saw that Porsche movie for about 10 times now :) Great footage, especially when the car bottoms out a couple of times - SCRAAAATCH :) He does drive on the concrete banking, but I wonder it it's just as difficult as it is in GPL, I lose the car quite often there. >The most striking thing for me was that it seems much more... cramped in >the videos. There's more stuff around the track (obviously) and it seems >tighter in some ways. I guess the GPL field of view makes it look more >spacious. Yup, I was surprised too about this. Some parts look really narrow in the Porsche video. In GPL it's also weird, on the straight for example, from the cockpit view it looks as there is hardly room for 1 car, yet when you watch a replay from outside view there's much more room than you would think. Andre >- topi >-- >http://www.iki.fi/tjp/

On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:48:43 +0100, "Laurens de Jong" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Andre Warringa wrote: >>If I remember correctly Henna Hakinnen did an interesting real Ring vs >>GPL Ring comparisson. > >That's H�kk�nen... I'm sure he takes my misspelling as a compliment :) <snip> Thanks for all the info bud, very interesting. And sorry that I forgot that you told me about the concrete banking before :) Andre

Andre Warringa wrote... > <snip> > I didn't even know they connect the GP track > to the Nordschleife.. The don't connect the modern track to the Nordschleife... the "old" track is still all there. Parts of it are used in the modern layout and therefore, for most of the year, are cordoned off. > How does it work exactly by the way, on the > Nordschleife: You start and finish on the > long straight? The former s/f part is being > skipped now? You do indeed enter (and exit) the track on the Dottinger Hohe... to avoid the "modern" track there's a shortcut from the Hohenrein section to the exit of Nordkehre (which leads into Hatzenbach. Jan. =---

"Laurens de Jong" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >I didn't even know they connect the GP track to the Nordschleife.. > For the public, the only time they do it is on Easter Monday. For all races > that use the Nordschleife, except the 24-Hours, the sprint track is used > (properly named N�rburgschleife, using the short-cut after the Castrol-S to > get back to the Nordschleife). The 24-Hour race uses all of the GP Strecke > to add to the Nordschleife, just like it is on Easter Monday. After hearing about that "Easter Monday connection" I've asked at the Ring office about times when Nordschleife (20.8km) and GP track (4.5km) are connected (25.3km) and accessible in public driving hours. They said that this is never the case, and Eastern Monday 200 was special because an event was cancelled. Usually, there are different events (usually testing sessions or driving lessons) going on on Nordschleife and GP track, so both tracks stay separated usually. -- ____ /______\_ .\\ a t t h e a d [ XT./~~~~ [ Rex\_____ http://my.bawue.de/~matthead \____/\__]_] 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro (154 Mm)

[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: > >and apex dots, and those who don't. And your GPL-experience isn't > >necessarily helpful, either. Some turn-in points from GPL don't work in > >real life, and vice versa.GPL is supposed to be modelled after the 1967 version of the Ring, and not its Y2k state. > If I remember correctly Henna Hakinnen did an interesting real Ring vs > GPL Ring comparisson. I believe the jump before Flugplatz was thumbed > down and the jump at the long straight isn't being used anymore?In 1970/71, the Ring was changed completely because F1 wanted it "safer". Many jumps were made softer, or removed, like in Kesselchen, Br�nnchen, and on the D�ttinger H�he straight. > You leave the track just before the jump now?Well, no more jump, but the new entrance/exit is on the straight, when approaching the Antoniusbuche bridge. > Any other significant differences between the real Ring and how it's > modelled in GPL? How is Karrussel in real life, do you drive on the > tiles or do you drive around them?That depends on you. Most people, on their first lap, don't dare to "go down there". ;-) -- ____ /______\_ .\\ a t t h e a d [ XT./~~~~ [ Rex\_____ http://my.bawue.de/~matthead \____/\__]_] 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro (154 Mm)

Topi Paavola <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> If your bandwidth allows, check out the videos at > <http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/en/multimedia/> (thanks to whoever > mentioned this). Especially the high-res version of the first Porsche > clip. IIRC, he drives on the concrete banking at both carousels. > > The most striking thing for me was that it seems much more... cramped in > the videos. There's more stuff around the track (obviously) and it seems > tighter in some ways. I guess the GPL field of view makes it look more > spacious.

Yes, there is much more vegetation around the Ring nowadays, as bushes aren't removed anymore for spectators of big events like F1 GP, Motorbike GP, 1000km GT racing, Formula 2, DRM touring cars etc. like it used to be in the 70s. Only the 80000 people that visit the annual 24h race weekend burn some wood in camp fires. One big difference e.g. is Fuchsr�hre. In GPL, you can see the uphill part when going down, so it's rather easy. In real life, this is hidden behind trees, so you have to aim blind into the low part, and prepare in time for the slight left turn there, and even more so for the tighter left turn that follows a little later. Much more scary than in GPL. -- ____ /______\_ .\\ a t t h e a d [ XT./~~~~ [ Rex\_____ http://my.bawue.de/~matthead \____/\__]_] 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro (154 Mm)

[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: > >>Might be a good day for watching, "schadenfreude ist die schonste freude".;-) > >Maybe, but apart from the obvious fact that any day watching at the > >N�rburgring is better than watching most other racing anywhere else, the > >best racing action you will find even there is the Eifel Klassik.Any Saturday with a Langstreckenpokal race will do.

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> >Anyone who's ever seen historic racing will look at me in disbelief, but the > >Nordschleife must bring out something in the racers. I haven't seen that > >much sideways action on asphalt since the 70s! And all I wachted was > >practice. A friend and me were at Hohe Acht, not suspecting anything, when > >over a hundred classic racecars all came drifting around the corner, having > >to apply hefty amounts of opposite lock and quite a few of them running > >wide, spinning, or just slamming into the armco. This was the first lap of > >practice and we thought they'd be a little more careful the next time > >around. Not at all!

A bad side effect of this driving style were big delays after some crashes. So, the announced demonstration laps of 1970s F1 cars (Throroughbred GP) did not take place because it was too late (no head lights on F1 cars). > Whoa, sounds great! :) > When is the next Eifel Klassik?Usually around late September/early October. -- ____ /______\_ .\\ a t t h e a d [ XT./~~~~ [ Rex\_____ http://my.bawue.de/~matthead \____/\__]_] 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro (154 Mm)

Matthias Flatt wrote: >[The Ring office] said [that "Easter Monday connection"] is never the case, >and Eastern Monday 200 was special because an event was cancelled. Oh okay. It was on for 1999 as well, I believe, which raised hope that it was going to be an annual event. Perhaps not. Although both times, it was very much an unofficial event. Thanks for clearing it up and saving quite a few of us a disappointment, Matthias! -Laurens de Jong.

Well, I sure gave it a wide berth and a good look on the first lap, then tried the less daunting Schwalbenschwanz first... ;-) Driving the Karrussel in the banking is awesome... nothing in GPL prepared me for the experience. It can be done in a normal car, but watch for the bump near the end... I think I damaged my power steering on it. Jan. =--- Matthias Flatt wrote...

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> <snip> > > Any other significant differences between the real > > Ring and how it's modelled in GPL? How is Karrussel > > in real life, do you drive on the tiles or do you > > drive around them? > That depends on you. > Most people, on their first lap, don't dare to "go down > there". ;-) > > -- > ____ > /______\_ .\\ a t t h e a d > [ XT./~~~~ > [ Rex\_____ http://my.bawue.de/~matthead > \____/\__]_] 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro (154 Mm)

"Laurens de Jong" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Andre Warringa wrote: > >If I remember correctly Henna Hakinnen did an interesting real Ring vs > >GPL Ring comparisson. > > That's H�kk�nen... Thanks for the correction, Laurens :). And the first name is Hena ... one 'n' :) > There are several comparison sites like that on the web: > >http://www.hyperstim.com/home_units/news/nurburgreport99/nurb99comparision.h > tml > http://puskarutaja.figc.net/nurburgr.htm And my report can be found at http://fgplc.figc.net/oldsite/Nordschleife/nordschleife.htm Hena

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> On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:48:43 +0100, "Laurens de Jong" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Andre Warringa wrote: > >>If I remember correctly Henna Hakinnen did an interesting real Ring vs > >>GPL Ring comparisson. > > > >That's H�kk�nen... > > I'm sure he takes my misspelling as a compliment :)

Hih ... but Mika's last name is H�kkinen :) Hena

> New ticket prices are up, by the way. DM 22 for a single lap, > DM 1025 for a year pass. That's a 3% increase. I know where > _my_ Christmas bonus is going! > > -Laurens de Jong. Ohhhhh, to live near the 'Ring. <sigh> I don't know what the exchange rate is, but if it's close to 1:1 I'd drop $1,000 on a year pass in a heart-beat. -Dirt- 2000 White/Red CBR929RR **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Chris Cavin wrote: >if it's close to 1:1 I'd drop $1,000 on a year pass in a heart-beat. If that's US$ you're talking about, I have to disappoint you: it's more like US$ 400. Of course, you're on a bike, so you'd have to pay a little extra. 'Cause it takes longer to scrape you off the armco. Still, nothing close to US$ 1,000. -Laurens de Jong.

> >if it's close to 1:1 I'd drop $1,000 on a year pass in a heart-beat. > > If that's US$ you're talking about, I have to disappoint you: > it's more like US$ 400. US$400 for the year?!?!? Holy cow that's cheap. I'm in agony here. > Of course, you're on a bike, so you'd have to pay a little > extra. 'Cause it takes longer to scrape you off the armco. Hehe... Maybe I'm too land on the armco. Maybe I'm so good they'd have to scrape me off the bridge over Aremberg! :-P -Dirt- 2000 White/Red CBR929RR **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

In article <[email hidden]>, Laurens de Jong <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Anyone who's ever seen historic racing will look at me in disbelief, but the >Nordschleife must bring out something in the racers. I haven't seen that >much sideways action on asphalt since the 70s! And all I wachted was >practice. A friend and me were at Hohe Acht, not suspecting anything, when >over a hundred classic racecars all came drifting around the corner, having >to apply hefty amounts of opposite lock and quite a few of them running >wide, spinning, or just slamming into the armco. This was the first lap of >practice and we thought they'd be a little more careful the next time >around. Not at all! > >It was beautiful and the best racing I've seen in a long long time. >

If you go to the ring, make sure you book a ride in the "Renntaxi" where a (mostly) professional race driver takes you on a fast lap (tickets per seat start at DM80 per lap, I think) around the "Nordschleife". It�s fun running the ring on your own, but being a passenger with a pro is simply breathtaking and has to be experienced to be believed. Cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ GnuPG Fingerprint: 2093 20B8 B861 9358 A356 B01A E145 9249 5D27 33EA PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

In article <92cp1c$2ls$[email hidden]>, Topi Paavola <[email hidden]> wrote: >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Any other significant differences between the real Ring and how it's >> modelled in GPL? How is Karrussel in real life, do you drive on the >> tiles or do you drive around them? Our instructor told us to "just drop into it on the 2nd tile" and use the additional downforce from the banking to keep the thing on the road. It sounds funny, but even the "compression" you get taking "Karussell" in a rented Fiat Punto is great! Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ GnuPG Fingerprint: 2093 20B8 B861 9358 A356 B01A E145 9249 5D27 33EA PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:14:08 +0100, [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote: ... >If you go to the ring, make sure you book a ride in the >"Renntaxi" where a (mostly) professional race driver takes you >on a fast lap (tickets per seat start at DM80 per lap, I think) >around the "Nordschleife". It�s fun running the ring on your >own, but being a passenger with a pro is simply breathtaking >and has to be experienced to be believed. Sounds like good fun! Now how about for DM10 more, you get the replay on floppy. ;-) (no actually, this is a serious idea for karting laps, but well, that's a whole other story) Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25 Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/ Car simulation: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 20:28:14 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote: ... >Sounds like good fun! Now how about for DM10 more, you get the replay >on floppy. ;-) Yikes! Seems my newsagent is making me revive zombie threads. Old discussions. Weird. Or you all must be timetravellers. Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25 Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/ Car simulation: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote: >If you go to the ring, make sure you book a ride in the >"Renntaxi" where a (mostly) professional race driver takes you >on a fast lap (tickets per seat start at DM80 per lap, I think) Book it early, ie well before your trip. I've been told that it sells out very quickly, maybe even months in advance? I know that it was all booked when I went there. It consists of a lap in a specially prepared 5-series driven by a pro (last, there was a fetching lass who apparently grew up around there and held some records), with up to 3 paying guests. I believe it is a fixed price, split amongst the number of passengers.