Reminder for GP-Length VROC race

Dec 26th, noon EST Zandvoort See you there... Let's have a GOOD race... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +39.11/F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 26 Dec 2000 04:46:15 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Dec 26th, noon EST >Zandvoort >See you there... Let's have a GOOD race... I'll be there Eldred :) Allthough I thought the race was at 11:00 EST which makes 5pm here. But 12:00EST (6pmCET) is also no prob. Andre >Eldred

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>>Dec 26th, noon EST >>Zandvoort >>See you there... Let's have a GOOD race... > >I'll be there Eldred :) >Allthough I thought the race was at 11:00 EST which makes 5pm here. >But 12:00EST (6pmCET) is also no prob. > >Andre

Yes, it was originally scheduled for 11EST. I thought *you* were the one who requested the later time...? Guess not... Eldred - suffering from early senility... -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 26 Dec 2000 15:31:06 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Yes, it was originally scheduled for 11EST. I thought *you* were the one who >requested the later time...? Guess not... Na, wasn't me. But it's 11:10 now and we're waiting for you.. Andre >Eldred - suffering from early senility...

>Na, wasn't me. But it's 11:10 now and we're waiting for you.. Just remember folks, I *would have* won :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash (Pole, leader, booted)

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:13:44 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: >On 26 Dec 2000 15:31:06 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>Yes, it was originally scheduled for 11EST. I thought *you* were the one who >>requested the later time...? Guess not... > >Na, wasn't me. But it's 11:10 now and we're waiting for you.. Ok - you made it :) First time in my life I used a Cooper at Zandy. It driver really nice, much more stable than a Lotus. B-U-T: After 8 laps I blew up my engine :(( I drive GP length races offline regular, so I think I know how to drive conservative. My racetimes were 2 seconds below qualifying time so I was really driving conservative during the beginning. Short-shifting, not full speed at the s/f, etc. Yet after 8 laps big black clouds were comming from my engine :( Is the Cooper even more unstable than the Lotus or was I using a completely wrong setup? Andre >Andre > >>Eldred - suffering from early senility...

Thanks for the race Eldred! I was in 8th on lap 32 I think, saw a line of text that the 7th place driver had dropped out, said "Yes!", promptly lost focus approaching the hairpin, onto the berm and flipped. rms [email hidden]

"Would have" won't get you a piece of Miss Tulips here... Jan./trods off to the beach with a bottle of Champagne in one hand and a babe in the other. =--- Graeme Nash wrote...

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> > <snip> > Just remember folks, I *would have* won :-) > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash > > (Pole, leader, booted)

Dunno Andre... mine held together. Wanna compare notes? Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote... > <snip> > Ok - you made it :) > First time in my life I used a Cooper at Zandy. > It driver really nice, much more stable than a > Lotus. B-U-T: After 8 laps I blew up my engine :(( <snip>

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>>Na, wasn't me. But it's 11:10 now and we're waiting for you.. > >Just remember folks, I *would have* won :-) > >-- >Cheers! >Graeme Nash > >(Pole, leader, booted)

I was sorry to see you go, Graeme... :( Maybe I'll setup another GP on Saturday or Sunday, depending on the demand... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Ok - you made it :) >First time in my life I used a Cooper at Zandy. It driver really nice, >much more stable than a Lotus. >B-U-T: After 8 laps I blew up my engine :(( >I drive GP length races offline regular, so I think I know how to >drive conservative. My racetimes were 2 seconds below qualifying time >so I was really driving conservative during the beginning. >Short-shifting, not full speed at the s/f, etc. >Yet after 8 laps big black clouds were comming from my engine :( >Is the Cooper even more unstable than the Lotus or was I using a >completely wrong setup?

I always thought the Coop was a fairly SOLID car...? Hmm, I dunno... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <6y526.23437$[email hidden]>, "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> writes: >Thanks for the race Eldred! I was in 8th on lap 32 I think, saw a line of >text that the 7th place driver had dropped out, said "Yes!", promptly lost >focus approaching the hairpin, onto the berm and flipped. > Hehe...don't you *hate* when that happens? I try to ignore the messages, because they ARE distracting... Eldred - report on race to follow later...<g> -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Jan, You are awfully casual with *MY* Miss Tulips! :-) Checking the replay with Replay Analyser, I realized that I had problems with my suspensions: Lap 15: minor problems with left front suspension medium problems with left rear suspension. Lap 21: minor problems with right rear suspension. Lap 44: medium problems with right rear suspension. Lap 45: severe problems with left front suspension. Lap 70: severe problems with left rear suspension. Lap 73: severe problems with right rear suspension. Who needs more that the right front? :-) Cheers, Jens Newspaper at : http://scalextric.mobilixnet.dk/Grand_Prix.jpg Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> "Would have" won't get you a piece of Miss Tulips here... > > Jan./trods off to the beach with a bottle of Champagne in one hand and a > babe in the other. > =--- > > Graeme Nash wrote... > >> <snip> >> Just remember folks, I *would have* won :-) >> >> -- >> Cheers! >> Graeme Nash >> >> (Pole, leader, booted)

Thanx for hosting a great race, Eldred. What happened to you on lap 71? Newspaper at : http://scalextric.mobilixnet.dk/Grand_Prix.jpg Cheers, Jens EldredP wrote:

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> In article <6y526.23437$[email hidden]>, "Roger Squires" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> Thanks for the race Eldred! I was in 8th on lap 32 I think, saw a line of >> text that the 7th place driver had dropped out, said "Yes!", promptly lost >> focus approaching the hairpin, onto the berm and flipped. >> > > > Hehe...don't you *hate* when that happens? I try to ignore the messages, > because they ARE distracting... > > Eldred - report on race to follow later...<g> > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> writes: >Thanx for hosting a great race, Eldred. >What happened to you on lap 71? > Uh...a forced pitstop. I knew I couldn't catch Jan or the leader(didn't realize it was you). My legs and back were cramping up, so I knew I couldn't finish the race that way. I figured I could stop, take a break, and finish the last few laps with a clear head. I didn't get back to my car in time... :( You're welcome, by the way.<g> Although, I have some *issues* with a couple of the drivers. I got punted TWICE by someone passing me(two different people)... >:(I'll be checking the replay... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

If you have a server replay, I'd appreciate it if you'd put it up for download somewhere... the start and the first couple of laps with the full field must be awesome to watch. Looking forward to your race report as well. Good show anyway Eldred, you lasted at least 16 laps longer than a lot of people with negative GPLRanks and a lot longer than your own appreciation of your skills would lead one to believe. Maybe you should start "talking the talk and walking the walk" a little. Confidence breeds success, you know. Jan. =--- EldredP wrote...

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> <snip> > >Thanx for hosting a great race, Eldred. > >What happened to you on lap 71? > > > > Uh...a forced pitstop. I knew I couldn't catch Jan or > the leader(didn't realize it was you). My legs and back > were cramping up, so I knew I couldn't finish the race > that way. I figured I could stop, take a break, and > finish the last few laps with a clear head. I didn't > get back to my car in time... :( You're welcome, by the > way.<g> Although, I have some *issues* with a couple of > the drivers. I got punted TWICE by someone passing me > (two different people)... >:( > I'll be checking the replay... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, > then beats you with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Jens H. Kruuse" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> Thanx for hosting a great race, Eldred. >> What happened to you on lap 71? >> > > > Uh...a forced pitstop. I knew I couldn't catch Jan or the leader(didn't > realize it was you). My legs and back were cramping up, so I knew I couldn't > finish the race that way. I figured I could stop, take a break, and finish the > last few laps with a clear head. I didn't get back to my car in time... :( > You're welcome, by the way.<g> Although, I have some *issues* with a couple of > the drivers. I got punted TWICE by someone passing me(two different people)... >

Uh-oh. I sure hope the marshalls didn't spot *me* doing anything illegal. I honestly can't remember if I did it or not. I did kill a few hundred spectators but they don't count. :-) And for those of you at home keeping score, it's Red Baron 1, Snoopy 0. ;-) /Jens

> >Eldred - suffering from early senility... Boy I need to go see an optician. I thought that read - suffering from early sterility.... on the first pass <G> MS >

Please do Eldred. I missed the start by seconds. My parents decided to pay their social visit 2 hours earlier than scheduled :-( MS EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Graeme Nash > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>Na, wasn't me. But it's 11:10 now and we're waiting for you.. > > > >Just remember folks, I *would have* won :-) > > > >-- > >Cheers! > >Graeme Nash > > > >(Pole, leader, booted) > > I was sorry to see you go, Graeme... :( > Maybe I'll setup another GP on Saturday or Sunday, depending on the

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> > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <qkb26.15730$[email hidden]>, "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> writes: >> >Eldred - suffering from early senility... > >Boy I need to go see an optician. I thought that read - suffering from early >sterility.... on the first pass <G> > Man, don't jinx me - I'm not married yet...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <bmb26.15734$[email hidden]>, "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> writes: >> I was sorry to see you go, Graeme... :( >> Maybe I'll setup another GP on Saturday or Sunday, depending on the >demand... If I were to setup another GP race, which would be a better time: 9am EST or 1pm EST? It doesn't matter much to me - I live alone... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> Uh...a forced pitstop. I knew I couldn't catch Jan or the leader(didn't >> realize it was you). My legs and back were cramping up, so I knew I >couldn't >> finish the race that way. I figured I could stop, take a break, and finish >the >> last few laps with a clear head. I didn't get back to my car in time... :( >> You're welcome, by the way.<g> Although, I have some *issues* with a >couple of >> the drivers. I got punted TWICE by someone passing me(two different >people)... >> > >Uh-oh. I sure hope the marshalls didn't spot *me* doing anything >illegal. I honestly can't remember if I did it or not. I did kill a few >hundred spectators but they don't count. :-)

I don't *think* it was you. One was by a green car(not sure if it was Lotus or Brab) - I don't yet who that was. The other was by a Ferrari - I *do* know who that was... :( He may not be invited back... > >And for those of you at home keeping score, it's Red Baron 1, Snoopy 0. ;-) > >/JensCurse you, Red Baron! Snoopy -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:33:35 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Dunno Andre... mine held together. Wanna compare notes? I'm really interested in finding out why my car broke down so soon. But with 'comparing notes', you mean comparing our setups? Andre

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> >Jan. >=--- >Andre Warringa wrote... >> <snip> >> Ok - you made it :) >> First time in my life I used a Cooper at Zandy. >> It driver really nice, much more stable than a >> Lotus. B-U-T: After 8 laps I blew up my engine :(( > ><snip> > >

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:35:46 GMT, "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Thanks for the race Eldred! I was in 8th on lap 32 I think, saw a line of >text that the 7th place driver had dropped out, said "Yes!", promptly lost >focus approaching the hairpin, onto the berm and flipped. Yup, those messages can be really distracting. I think I'm going to turn off the chat just before the race starts to avoid problems like these. Oh, and uhhh... now that I see you here... uhh.. Yesterday we had a race on the Ring. On the long straight I was drafting you and overtook you just before the left-hander, causing you to crash. Boy this is hard to say... Roger, it was -my- fault and I'm sorry :( Andre / walks away in shame, disgusted with himself > >rms >[email hidden] > > >

On 26 Dec 2000 22:57:23 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Uh...a forced pitstop. I knew I couldn't catch Jan or the leader(didn't >realize it was you). My legs and back were cramping up, so I knew I couldn't >finish the race that way. I figured I could stop, take a break, and finish the >last few laps with a clear head. I didn't get back to my car in time... :( This is actually quite funny Eldred :) >You're welcome, by the way.<g> Although, I have some *issues* with a couple of >the drivers. I got punted TWICE by someone passing me(two different people)... >>:( >I'll be checking the replay... The start was amazingly good, no crashes in the beginning afaik. Everybody took it really easy in the beginning... except for that Ferrari behind me. He often got so close that I was affraid he would punt me. Yet with 10 drivers in front of me there was not much I could do to avoid him. Luckily nothing happened. When the race really started after the first 2 laps I actually had a good race with that Ferrari. I could keep him behind me easily, except at the straight. My gearing was wrong I think, way before the end of the haybails my engine was allready overrevving. I didn;t want to force my engine so I didn't drive full speed at the s/f. So eveytime at the s/f the Ferrari allmost overtook me, I won a little distance during the rest of the lap, and at the next s/f he got close to me again. This happened lap after lap untill the 8th lap, where I did blow up my engine :( Andre

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>Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Jens H. Kruuse" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Thanx for hosting a great race, Eldred. > >What happened to you on lap 71? > > > > Uh...a forced pitstop. I knew I couldn't catch Jan or the leader(didn't > realize it was you). My legs and back were cramping up, so I knew I couldn't > finish the race that way. I figured I could stop, take a break, and finish the > last few laps with a clear head. I didn't get back to my car in time... :( > You're welcome, by the way.<g> Although, I have some *issues* with a couple of > the drivers. I got punted TWICE by someone passing me(two different people)... > >:( > I'll be checking the replay... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

I think one was me eldred - sorry about that. I'd been following you for several laps and misjudged your entry into turn 2 and rear-ended you. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons IGPS/3 Home Page http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Jens H. Kruuse" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> Uh...a forced pitstop. I knew I couldn't catch Jan or the leader(didn't > >> realize it was you). My legs and back were cramping up, so I knew I > >couldn't > >> finish the race that way. I figured I could stop, take a break, and finish > >the > >> last few laps with a clear head. I didn't get back to my car in time... :( > >> You're welcome, by the way.<g> Although, I have some *issues* with a > >couple of > >> the drivers. I got punted TWICE by someone passing me(two different > >people)... > >> > > > >Uh-oh. I sure hope the marshalls didn't spot *me* doing anything > >illegal. I honestly can't remember if I did it or not. I did kill a few > >hundred spectators but they don't count. :-) > I don't *think* it was you. One was by a green car(not sure if it was Lotus or > Brab) - I don't yet who that was. The other was by a Ferrari - I *do* know who > that was... :( He may not be invited back... > > > > >And for those of you at home keeping score, it's Red Baron 1, Snoopy 0. ;-) > > > >/Jens > Curse you, Red Baron! > > Snoopy > > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

I just checked the replay of my incident and I punted Squires. Apology is now shifted to him. :-) I forgot to chenage over to the GP setup for the race and ran out of gas after 29 laps - Iwas running 6th at the time... grrrr -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons IGPS/3 Home Page http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> The start was amazingly good, no crashes in the beginning afaik. > Everybody took it really easy in the beginning... except for that > Ferrari behind me. He often got so close that I was affraid he would > punt me. Yet with 10 drivers in front of me there was not much I could > do to avoid him. Luckily nothing happened. > When the race really started after the first 2 laps I actually had a > good race with that Ferrari. I could keep him behind me easily, except > at the straight. My gearing was wrong I think, way before the end of > the haybails my engine was allready overrevving. I didn;t want to > force my engine so I didn't drive full speed at the s/f. > So eveytime at the s/f the Ferrari allmost overtook me, I won a little > distance during the rest of the lap, and at the next s/f he got close > to me again. This happened lap after lap untill the 8th lap, where I > did blow up my engine :( > > Andre

Luckily? I suppose a bit of luck was involved. On lap 1 it was a very aggressive J. Simmons who actually passed me on that short straight after Tarzan! He then passed you on the s/f straight at the start of lap 2. Then it fell to me to try to force you into a mistake. I got really close twice in Tarzan, but both times I stepped hard on the brakes and went wide to prevent a collision. Fortunately, I did. When you left the race trailing lots of smoke (very dramatic) I had just started concentrating hard on overtaking you a lap before. You know, trying to keep the gap closed on the twisty bits. And I think I might have been able to do so as my laptimes were coming down but who knows? Having a car in front of you is very good for concentration. Cheers, Jens, who would like to try again.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:05:27 GMT, [email hidden] (John Simmons) wrote: >I think one was me eldred - sorry about that. I'd been following you for >several laps and misjudged your entry into turn 2 and rear-ended you. John, I'm not sure, but I believe it was you in a Ferrari who was driving behind me (Cooper, pink helmet, lots of black smoke at lap nr. 8 :) and especially during the first 2 laps I thought you were going to punt me for a couple of times. I couldn't drive faster since there was a whole bunch of cars in front of me, and I'm not going to try to pass other cars during the first laps of a full GP distance race. Following another car close is an art in it's own and I admit very difficult sometimes. Couple of weeks ago I had a league race at Solitude and I was driving behind a Ferrari which drove much slower than me (hi Olav :) I thought I was keeping enough distance, yet he surprised me a couple of times by braking sooner than I expected. So I kept even more distance, but now I couldn't pass him at the straights. I think the best thing you can do with a slower driver in front of you is to keep distance from him, watch him for a lap to see where you can pass him safely, and on the next lap, get close to him when you're just before the point where you want to overtake him. At Zandy yesterday for example, it would have been safest to keep distance at the whole track, speed up at the last couple of corners so you could overtake Eldred at the s/f line safely (the only safe overtaking point at Zandy). I realized this myself (again) when I had an online race at the Ring yesterday, and I tried to overtake someone at one of the most dangerous corners of the Ring, the left hander after the long straight. I caused the other guy to crash :( Andre

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On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:26:57 +0100, "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Luckily? I suppose a bit of luck was involved. On lap 1 it was a very >aggressive J. Simmons who actually passed me on that short straight >after Tarzan! He then passed you on the s/f straight at the start of lap >2. Then it fell to me to try to force you into a mistake. >I got really close twice in Tarzan, but both times I stepped hard on the >brakes and went wide to prevent a collision. Fortunately, I did. >When you left the race trailing lots of smoke (very dramatic) I had just >started concentrating hard on overtaking you a lap before. You know, >trying to keep the gap closed on the twisty bits. And I think I might >have been able to do so as my laptimes were coming down but who knows? >Having a car in front of you is very good for concentration.

Ah, so it was John who was behind me the first 2 laps and then you.. Edlred, please upload the replay, I'd love to see it :) Jens, only minutes before the race the use of Coopers was suggested. I had never driven a Cooper at Zandy (I drive Cooper hardly at all) and I had no setup. I used the default setup, made some quick changes, only had time for a couple of practice runs. After the first lap of the race I noticed that my gearing was wrong. The engine was overrevving at the s/f line. I was affraid to blow up my engine so I really backed off, never drove full speed. I thought it was quite funny, at the s/f line you drove full speed, got -really- close to me, during the rest of the lap I could gain some distance, and at the next s/f point you were there again :) I still had to get used to the car, so I planned to drive easy for the first 20 laps, and keep you behind me in this way. But alas, I still blew my engine :(( Next race at the Ring I have no problems if we take another car, but we really should agree on which cars should be used way before the race so I have some time to get used to the car and to build some stable setups. Anyway, congrats with your great victory :) Andre >Cheers, >Jens, who would like to try again. >

> I think the best thing you can do with a slower driver in front of you > is to keep distance from him, watch him for a lap to see where you can > pass him safely The incident with John was the only one in the entire race for me, and it was frightfully obvious for 2 laps that with that hanging on the ass behaviour I would get punted soon, and that's just what happened, ten minutes into a 2hour race just before the hairpin when he had no chance at a pass. It took me 20 laps to work my way back up to 30s behind him, it was his running out of gas that made me laugh with pleasure lose focus and crash :) And apology accepted John. I just wish I'd gotten one *during the race* when it mattered. rms [email hidden]

Yes, that's exactly what I was getting at. I don't think I was particularly carefull with my engine in the race, so it's almost got to be setup. Shall I mail mine to you? Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote... > <snip> > I'm really interested in finding out why my car broke > down so soon. But with 'comparing notes', you mean > comparing our setups? > > Andre

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >Next race at the Ring I have no problems if we take another car, but >we really should agree on which cars should be used way before the >race so I have some time to get used to the car and to build some >stable setups. > I *told* you and Jan that you didn't have to use the Coopers... You could have chosen your preferred car. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (John Simmons) writes: >I just checked the replay of my incident and I punted Squires. Apology is >now shifted to him. :-) Hehe... >I forgot to chenage over to the GP setup for the race and ran out of gas >after 29 laps - Iwas running 6th at the time... grrrr I remember seeing the 'out of gas' message. I didn't even realize you were IN the race. Too bad your crew chief shirked his duties... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:42:00 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yes, that's exactly what I was getting at. I don't think I was particularly >carefull with my engine in the race, so it's almost got to be setup. > >Shall I mail mine to you? Yes please :) I also hope Eldred saved the replay, I'd also like to compare your driving with mine, especially after you wrote you were not driving extra carefull with the engine.. Andre

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> >Jan. >=--- >Andre Warringa wrote... >> <snip> >> I'm really interested in finding out why my car broke >> down so soon. But with 'comparing notes', you mean >> comparing our setups? >> >> Andre >

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> On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:05:27 GMT, [email hidden] (John Simmons) wrote: > > >I think one was me eldred - sorry about that. I'd been following you for > >several laps and misjudged your entry into turn 2 and rear-ended you. > > John, I'm not sure, but I believe it was you in a Ferrari who was > driving behind me (Cooper, pink helmet, lots of black smoke at lap nr. > 8 :) and especially during the first 2 laps I thought you were going > to punt me for a couple of times. I couldn't drive faster since there > was a whole bunch of cars in front of me, and I'm not going to try to > pass other cars during the first laps of a full GP distance race. > Following another car close is an art in it's own and I admit very > difficult sometimes.

I practice the art whenever I can and I rarely punt anyone. I like to apply pressure (I think Earnhardt calls it "rattling your cage" - grin). -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons IGPS/3 Home Page http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> > I think the best thing you can do with a slower driver in front of you > > is to keep distance from him, watch him for a lap to see where you can > > pass him safely > > The incident with John was the only one in the entire race for me, and > it was frightfully obvious for 2 laps that with that hanging on the ass > behaviour I would get punted soon, and that's just what happened, ten > minutes into a 2hour race just before the hairpin when he had no chance at a > pass. It took me 20 laps to work my way back up to 30s behind him, it was > his running out of gas that made me laugh with pleasure lose focus and crash > :) > > And apology accepted John. I just wish I'd gotten one *during the race* > when it mattered. >

The really embarassing part is that I wasn't trying to pass you. Either you slowed more than I expected or I was carrying too much speed into that corner and we had a coming together. I suspect that the only reason I was able to keep up is that I diodn't have the same fuel load you did. :-) Next race (I hope it's someplace like Rouen or Silverstone), we'll have to try again. :-) -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons IGPS/3 Home Page http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (John > Simmons) writes: > > >I just checked the replay of my incident and I punted Squires. Apology is > >now shifted to him. :-) > > Hehe... > > >I forgot to chenage over to the GP setup for the race and ran out of gas > >after 29 laps - Iwas running 6th at the time... grrrr > > I remember seeing the 'out of gas' message. I didn't even realize you were IN > the race. Too bad your crew chief shirked his duties... :( > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

I think I should tell you guys that I don't drive in-car, so unless you're REALLY close, I won't get nervous. I can pretty much tell when someone is really close before the nose of their car pokes into the screen, and I'll usually concede the spot on a sufficiently safe section of track (straight). :-) At the same time, I'm gonna stay as close as possible to the guy in front - I find it quite fun to follow as closely as I can without wrecking one or both drivers. I'm aggressive when I can be, but (usually) know better than to try a stupid passing move. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons IGPS/3 Home Page http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Saturday 1pm EST (or even up to 4pm EST) would fit in nicely with my schedule... Sunday 9am EST might be possible as well, but that's very near the beginning of New Year's eve for us Europeans. Jan, =--- EldredP wrote...

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> <snip> > If I were to setup another GP race, which would be a better > time: 9am EST or 1pm EST? It doesn't matter much to me - I live alone... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.