Jens Kruuse Wins Inaugural Boxing Day Online GP

Today Eldred Pickett hosted the first (annual?) Boxing Day Online (GPL) GP. The race was held at Zandvoort and attracted a full field of starters. After a couple of very disciplined opening laps a steady pattern of retirements, through accident or connection, was observed. With about 30 laps left there were only 3 drivers left: Jens Kruuse led by 36 seconds from myself, while I, in turn, had about 50 seconds in hand on host Eldred Pickett. I think it suddenly occurred to all three of us we could win this, because the tempo suddenly shot up some. I was trying to keep Jens honest, but couldn't really relax even if I wanted to because Eldred was steadlily gaining eventhough I was at full chat trying to get back onto terms with Jens. Unfortunately, with 19 to go, Eldred retired. Maybe Jens was distracted by the disconnection message as he made a couple of unforced errors around that time allowing me to close to within 10 seconds with 10 to go. By now Don McCorkle was the only spectator left. He got his money's worth however as Jens regained his composure and held on to stop a late charge by myself and win by a margin of 0.74s. Don, I appreciate you hanging on to congratulate the finishers home. Thanks. Congratulations are in order for Jens as well. Not only did he complete the distance to win, but he did so while being under great pressure in the final laps, while I effectively had nothing to lose. I don't know about Jens, but I was absolutely flat out for those last 15 laps. Both of us were shaking when we got back to the paddock. Congratulations to Eldred as well, not only for hanging on as long as he did, but also for hosting such a successfull event. I said "annual" earlier... but come to think of it, why wait a whole year to have another one? <g> Paper posted to alt.binaries.simulators.autos Jan. =---

Thank you Jan. We had a great race. You were behind me on the board almost all the way. You were pretty much right on the money about your summery. What also forced a few errors was a sore b***, sweat in my eyes, and thinking way too much about the victory. We were going pretty fast the last laps and were actually quite consistent considering the pressure :-) I was glad to see you finish the race in retrospect though I did throw a few curses your way when the gap became 2-3 seconds with about 7 or so to go. I'm sure you did the same to me. ;-) I'm really looking forward to the next one (Eldred?). The longest race I had been in before this one, was 21 laps on Monza w/ reset available. I have put my paper at http://scalextric.mobilixnet.dk/Grand_Prix.jpg (It has *my* image!:-) ) Jens Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> Today Eldred Pickett hosted the first (annual?) Boxing Day Online (GPL) GP. > > The race was held at Zandvoort and attracted a full field of starters. After > a couple of very disciplined opening laps a steady pattern of retirements, > through accident or connection, was observed. With about 30 laps left there > were only 3 drivers left: Jens Kruuse led by 36 seconds from myself, while > I, in turn, had about 50 seconds in hand on host Eldred Pickett. > > I think it suddenly occurred to all three of us we could win this, because > the tempo suddenly shot up some. I was trying to keep Jens honest, but > couldn't really relax even if I wanted to because Eldred was steadlily > gaining eventhough I was at full chat trying to get back onto terms with > Jens. Unfortunately, with 19 to go, Eldred retired. > > Maybe Jens was distracted by the disconnection message as he made a couple > of unforced errors around that time allowing me to close to within 10 > seconds with 10 to go. By now Don McCorkle was the only spectator left. He > got his money's worth however as Jens regained his composure and held on to > stop a late charge by myself and win by a margin of 0.74s. Don, I appreciate > you hanging on to congratulate the finishers home. Thanks. > > Congratulations are in order for Jens as well. Not only did he complete the > distance to win, but he did so while being under great pressure in the final > laps, while I effectively had nothing to lose. I don't know about Jens, but > I was absolutely flat out for those last 15 laps. Both of us were shaking > when we got back to the paddock. > > Congratulations to Eldred as well, not only for hanging on as long as he > did, but also for hosting such a successfull event. I said "annual" > earlier... but come to think of it, why wait a whole year to have another > one? <g> > > Paper posted to alt.binaries.simulators.autos > > Jan. > =---

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> writes: >I'm really looking forward to the next one (Eldred?). The longest race I >had been in before this one, was 21 laps on Monza w/ reset available. Like I said, it depends on the demand...<g> Maybe Nurburgring...?<evil grin...> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 26 Dec 2000 22:57:22 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, "Jens H. Kruuse" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>I'm really looking forward to the next one (Eldred?). The longest race I >>had been in before this one, was 21 laps on Monza w/ reset available. > >Like I said, it depends on the demand...<g> Maybe Nurburgring...?<evil >grin...>

OK! <even more evil grin> Andre >Eldred

>OK! <even more evil grin> Agreed! <plain, simple grin> :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

To quote the late Tony Brise: "This place (Nurburgring, -ed.) is god's gift to racing drivers!!" Bring it on. Though not on Sunday, please. Jan./ <confident smirk> =--- Andre Warringa wrote... > <snip> > >Like I said, it depends on the demand...<g> Maybe< Nurburgring...?<evil grin...>

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> > OK! <even more evil grin> > > Andre > > >Eldred >

Congrats to my old teamie from the TEAM COOPER DEUCES days. I'll let ya ride shotgun for me at the next one <G> MS Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Today Eldred Pickett hosted the first (annual?) Boxing Day Online (GPL)GP. > > The race was held at Zandvoort and attracted a full field of starters.After > a couple of very disciplined opening laps a steady pattern of retirements, > through accident or connection, was observed. With about 30 laps leftthere

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> were only 3 drivers left: Jens Kruuse led by 36 seconds from myself, while > I, in turn, had about 50 seconds in hand on host Eldred Pickett. > > I think it suddenly occurred to all three of us we could win this, because > the tempo suddenly shot up some. I was trying to keep Jens honest, but > couldn't really relax even if I wanted to because Eldred was steadlily > gaining eventhough I was at full chat trying to get back onto terms with > Jens. Unfortunately, with 19 to go, Eldred retired. > > Maybe Jens was distracted by the disconnection message as he made a couple > of unforced errors around that time allowing me to close to within 10 > seconds with 10 to go. By now Don McCorkle was the only spectator left. He > got his money's worth however as Jens regained his composure and held on

to > stop a late charge by myself and win by a margin of 0.74s. Don, Iappreciate > you hanging on to congratulate the finishers home. Thanks. > > Congratulations are in order for Jens as well. Not only did he completethe > distance to win, but he did so while being under great pressure in thefinal > laps, while I effectively had nothing to lose. I don't know about Jens,but

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> I was absolutely flat out for those last 15 laps. Both of us were shaking > when we got back to the paddock. > > Congratulations to Eldred as well, not only for hanging on as long as he > did, but also for hosting such a successfull event. I said "annual" > earlier... but come to think of it, why wait a whole year to have another > one? <g> > > Paper posted to alt.binaries.simulators.autos > > Jan. > =--- > > >

Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote: > Congratulations to Eldred as well, not only for hanging on as long as he > did, but also for hosting such a successfull event. I said "annual" > earlier... but come to think of it, why wait a whole year to have another > one? <g> Yep, thanks and congratulations for Eldred and Jens as well as the rest of the finishers. It was a fun race even though I discoed from the 3rd place after about 30 laps :/ It seemed pretty clean overall at least from my point of view, but apparently there were some incidents. I'll definitely try to join future races of this sort if my connection is up to the task and if my shoulders and legs stay functional throughout the race. Ow. - topi -- http://www.iki.fi/tjp/

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > >Like I said, it depends on the demand...<g> Maybe Nurburgring...?<evil >grin...> > I'm up for that, let's go today! Don McCorkle

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>> >>Like I said, it depends on the demand...<g> Maybe Nurburgring...?<evil >>grin...> >> > >I'm up for that, let's go today! > > >Don McCorkle

You're SICK, Don...<g> Ok, fine. Tentatively scheduled for 5:30p, EST Today(Wednesday) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I'm out! Not because it will be Ze Ring where I suck, but it will be a bit too late for me to stay concentrated for 2+ hours. Good luck to the participants. My guesses: Pole will be 8:23, fastest race lap 8:32, only 5 cars will remain after lap 2. NONE will finish the race! Jens EldredP wrote:

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>>> Like I said, it depends on the demand...<g> Maybe Nurburgring...?<evil >>> grin...> >>> >> I'm up for that, let's go today! >> >> >> Don McCorkle > > > You're SICK, Don...<g> > Ok, fine. Tentatively scheduled for 5:30p, EST Today(Wednesday) > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 27 Dec 2000 18:37:58 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >You're SICK, Don...<g> >Ok, fine. Tentatively scheduled for 5:30p, EST Today(Wednesday) Ok, half an hour later.. where are you? Chickend out huh? :) Andre >Eldred

You need more notice eldred, didn't see this til 2hours after the race. rms [email hidden]

Ditto... not that I have recovered from yesterdays exploits yet, mind. Jan. =--- Roger Squires wrote...

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> You need more notice eldred, didn't see this til 2hours > after the race. > > rms > [email hidden] > > >

Thanks Mark... appreciated. Always nice to be leveled some praise by someone who's gone one better. Too bad the initial GPL patch troubles killed that series off before we could get into some really questionable tactics (although driving in an echelon formation down the back straight at Rouen was bad enough ;-)). Seems like we're getting some competition in the premier endurance racer stakes. I say we befriend this Kruuse character and make a killing in the first online Le Mans 24hr race. ;-)) Jan. =--- Mark Seery wrote... > Congrats to my old teamie from the TEAM COOPER > DEUCES days. I'll let ya ride shotgun for me at > the next one <G> > > MS<snip>

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Ditto... not that I have recovered from yesterdays exploits yet, mind. > >Jan. >=--- >Roger Squires wrote... >> You need more notice eldred, didn't see this til 2hours >> after the race. >> >> rms >> [email hidden] >> >> >>

Yeah, that's what I figured... Hear that, Andre?!?<g> Ok, Saturday, 1pmEST...Nurburgring. I doubt that anyone will finish the full distance, though... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 28 Dec 2000 05:48:46 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Ditto... not that I have recovered from yesterdays exploits yet, mind. >> >>Jan. >Yeah, that's what I figured... >Hear that, Andre?!?<g> > >Ok, Saturday, 1pmEST...Nurburgring. I doubt that anyone will finish the full >distance, though...

Saturday is ok, I'll be there. I'll take my trustworthy Lotus with me though :) Andre

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>Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> Seems like we're getting some competition in the premier endurance racer > stakes. I say we befriend this Kruuse character and make a killing in the > first online Le Mans 24hr race. ;-)) Yep. Let's let these fly by night hotlappers and sprinters have their day ;-) Ours is coming soon. Staying power man :-) MS

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> > Jan. > =--- > Mark Seery wrote... > > Congrats to my old teamie from the TEAM COOPER > > DEUCES days. I'll let ya ride shotgun for me at > > the next one <G> > > > > MS > <snip> > >

Jan Verschueren wrote: > Seems like we're getting some competition in the premier endurance racer > stakes. I say we befriend this Kruuse character and make a killing in the > first online Le Mans 24hr race. ;-)) > I'm friendly. :-) But isn't Le Mans about switching drivers every 2 or so hours? Could be a problem geographically unless you have the new "switch-driver-in-midrace" patch. Nifty idea, actually. Coders, we have a job for you! A big and challenging one! ;-) Cheers, Jens

Don't underestimate us, nor yourself Eldred... it's just a track. Jan. =--- EldredP wrote...

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> <snip> > Yeah, that's what I figured... > Hear that, Andre?!?<g> > > Ok, Saturday, 1pmEST...Nurburgring. I doubt that > anyone will finish the full distance, though... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, > then beats you with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I think this "may" be comming. Nascar 4 is the first title that lets you rejoin a race in progress if you get disconected. This is VERY IMPORTANT to endurance sim racing. Why? I haven't tested it yet...and it would probably require having a copy of a game cd, which ethically could be a problem, but if two users had the same cd, the same name, and password, one driver could THEORETICALLY start the race. After a certain # of laps he could disconnect himself and icq or instant message his drivng partner. That fellow then, using the same name etc reconnects and continues on. This has one huge flaw if you use AI. They won't stop for driver changes. But if all the drivers are live humans..then the swap over time should just about equal out. am I off base here? dave henrie "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Jan Verschueren wrote: > > > Seems like we're getting some competition in the premier endurance racer > > stakes. I say we befriend this Kruuse character and make a killing inthe > > first online Le Mans 24hr race. ;-)) > > > I'm friendly. :-) > > But isn't Le Mans about switching drivers every 2 or so hours? Could be aproblem geographically unless you have the new "switch-driver-in-midrace" patch. > Nifty idea, actually. Coders, we have a job for you! A big and > challenging one! ;-) > > Cheers, > Jens >

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Don't underestimate us, nor yourself Eldred... it's just a track. > >Jan. >=--- >EldredP wrote... >> <snip> >> Yeah, that's what I figured... >> Hear that, Andre?!?<g> >> >> Ok, Saturday, 1pmEST...Nurburgring. I doubt that >> anyone will finish the full distance, though...

Uh, yeah - a 14-mile, 174-turn track... Nothing special...<g> I'm with Jens in his apprehension. If 19 cars start, 5 will get eliminated in the first corner...6 or 7 might make it through the first lap. The winner will only have to survive 2 laps...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The Ring is indeed brutal, I agree. There's hardly any run-off, the verges are slick and the fences murder. You won't get away with a scrape like on some other tracks, that's for sure. I know I might not finish, but my point is it's counterproductive to worry about accidents and/or first lap mayhem. One only has a limited amount of attention to spend on driving the car and keeping tabs on one's fellow competitors. Worrying about stuff like that only detracts from the effort one can spend on keeping it on the black stuff or blowing someone off, making a mistake easier to make. I don't advocate ostrich<sp?> politics, but pushing the thought firmly from one's mind really helps, IMO. Just tried starting from the back against the AI by way of practise... lost it in Galgenkopf on lap 12. Quite a gentle knock, but serious enough to cause a snowball effect and I was out by Aremberg on lap 13. Didn't really feel like a GP lenght race... maybe that's why I started too enthousiastically and paid for that in fatigue near the end. Jan. =--- EldredP wrote...

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> <snip> > Uh, yeah - a 14-mile, 174-turn track... Nothing > special...<g> I'm with Jens in his apprehension. > If 19 cars start, 5 will get eliminated in the first > corner...6 or 7 might make it through the first lap. > The winner will only have to survive 2 laps...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his > level, then beats you with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Jan Verschueren wrote: > Just tried starting from the back against the AI by way of practise... lost > it in Galgenkopf on lap 12. Quite a gentle knock, but serious enough to > cause a snowball effect and I was out by Aremberg on lap 13. Didn't really > feel like a GP lenght race... maybe that's why I started too > enthousiastically and paid for that in fatigue near the end. > Lost it on lap 12. Right. Out of curiosity, what kind of lap times were you doing? Eldred, of course we can last 15 laps. Easy. Jan says so. And he has seen us drive. :-) Besides it might be good for our GPLRank, I just improved by 4/10 at Zandvoort today due to all that practice. Cheers, Jens, still unsure about saturday.

On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 01:18:01 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Just tried starting from the back against the AI by way of practise... lost >it in Galgenkopf on lap 12. Quite a gentle knock, but serious enough to >cause a snowball effect and I was out by Aremberg on lap 13. Didn't really >feel like a GP lenght race... maybe that's why I started too >enthousiastically and paid for that in fatigue near the end. Just out of curiosity, what laptimes were you driving? If I drive the best I can I drively quite easily around 8:20, but the change that I'll make a mistake becomes way to big then. I really have to drop to 8:30-8:45 times to drive safe enough to last a GP distance. Andre

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>Jan. >=--- >EldredP wrote... >> <snip> >> Uh, yeah - a 14-mile, 174-turn track... Nothing >> special...<g> I'm with Jens in his apprehension. >> If 19 cars start, 5 will get eliminated in the first >> corner...6 or 7 might make it through the first lap. >> The winner will only have to survive 2 laps...<g> >> >> Eldred >> -- >> Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 >> >> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his >> level, then beats you with experience... >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > >

In the 8m45s-8m55s range, my personal best at the Ring being 8m28s... I guess I'll have to slow it down even more to see the finish. That is not to say I won't stuff it in the fence at an earlier time during the actual race, I'm just not going to start worrying about it. Trouble with the Ring is you use a lot of fuel each lap, so there is a marked performance increase from lap to lap. In my case this leads to over enthousiasm and a lot of "whoa! -nearly lost it there, let's slow it down some".-moments. Usually I'm disciplined enough to keep myself from taking risks for at least 5 or 6 corners after one of those... <g> Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote...

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> <snip> > Just out of curiosity, what laptimes were you driving? > If I drive the best I can I drively quite easily around > 8:20, but the change that I'll make a mistake becomes way > to big then. I really have to drop to 8:30-8:45 times to > drive safe enough to last a GP distance. > > Andre

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred, of course we can last 15 laps. Easy. Jan says so. And he has >seen us drive. :-) Besides it might be good for our GPLRank, I just >improved by 4/10 at Zandvoort today due to all that practice. > I ran a full Zandy race the day before, and didn't improve(timewise) any. I just got more consistent, I think. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>The Ring is indeed brutal, I agree. There's hardly any run-off, the verges >are slick and the fences murder. You won't get away with a scrape like on >some other tracks, that's for sure. > >I know I might not finish, but my point is it's counterproductive to worry >about accidents and/or first lap mayhem. One only has a limited amount of >attention to spend on driving the car and keeping tabs on one's fellow >competitors. Worrying about stuff like that only detracts from the effort >one can spend on keeping it on the black stuff or blowing someone off, >making a mistake easier to make. > >I don't advocate ostrich<sp?> politics, but pushing the thought firmly from >one's mind really helps, IMO. > >Just tried starting from the back against the AI by way of practise... lost >it in Galgenkopf on lap 12. Quite a gentle knock, but serious enough to >cause a snowball effect and I was out by Aremberg on lap 13. Didn't really >feel like a GP lenght race... maybe that's why I started too >enthousiastically and paid for that in fatigue near the end.

Hey, where can you pass at the Ring? Not that I'll be doing much passing on Saturday. I have problems passing the AI in races. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 29 Dec 2000 18:41:55 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Hey, where can you pass at the Ring? Not that I'll be doing much passing on >Saturday. I have problems passing the AI in races. Not many safe places to pass. Best oportunities at the s/f line, the straight after that one, and the long straight near the end. For the rest there are not many places where you can pass.. Andre >Eldred