Re: GPL LWFF sensitivity settings

"Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:92i0ml$dn6$[email hidden]... > I've always run gpl with my LWFF with a medium sensitivity setting in the > logi controle pannel and full left on the slider in GPL with a 15:1setting > in the setup. I've just started to play with the settings a bit andchainged > the logi controle to med/high and the setup to 20:1 and it feels better to > me the car feels easyer to drive and it's easyer to hold lines. What > settings do other people use, also do any of the realy fast drivers withthe > logi use forced feedback? > > Alex Cameron >I could, by no means, be considered a fast driver in GPL, I think my GPLRank will attest to that!<g>, but I do have a lot of experience with the LWFF. I bought one on the day they first appeared in the shops, use it daily, and recently purchased a second one as a spare. Months ago, at the suggestion of a poster in this group, I turned off the profiler software and found that my control in GPL was vastly improved and my lap times dropped. It feels to me that with the software on, there is a small amount of deadzone in the steering which made steering transitions difficult. I miss being able to assign buttons in the profiler, but the added car control is worth losing the extra bells and whistles and the Force Feedback effects still function as normal. -- don New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/

Just curious Don or anyone else...What do you have your sliders set to in your game controller section and what are your core.ini numbers? Dave C. don hodgdon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:92ieth$f2n$[email hidden]... > "Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:92i0ml$dn6$[email hidden]... > > I've always run gpl with my LWFF with a medium sensitivity setting inthe > > logi controle pannel and full left on the slider in GPL with a 15:1 > setting > > in the setup. I've just started to play with the settings a bit and > chainged > > the logi controle to med/high and the setup to 20:1 and it feels betterto

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> > me the car feels easyer to drive and it's easyer to hold lines. What > > settings do other people use, also do any of the realy fast drivers with > the > > logi use forced feedback? > > > > Alex Cameron > > > I could, by no means, be considered a fast driver in GPL, I think my

GPLRank > will attest to that!<g>, but I do have a lot of experience with the LWFF.I > bought one on the day they first appeared in the shops, use it daily, and > recently purchased a second one as a spare. Months ago, at the suggestionof > a poster in this group, I turned off the profiler software and found thatmy > control in GPL was vastly improved and my lap times dropped. It feels tome

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> that with the software on, there is a small amount of deadzone in the > steering which made steering transitions difficult. I miss being able to > assign buttons in the profiler, but the added car control is worth losing > the extra bells and whistles and the Force Feedback effects still function > as normal. > > -- > don > > New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: > http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/ > > > >

David Ciemny <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:M3436.4629$[email hidden]... > Just curious Don or anyone else...What do you have your sliders set to in > your game controller section and what are your core.ini numbers? > I set it 3 quarter to 4 fifths to the left. I prefer it loose so that I have full control but going all the way makes the car a bit wobbly.

"David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:M3436.4629$[email hidden]... > Just curious Don or anyone else...What do you have your sliders set to in > your game controller section and what are your core.ini numbers? > > Dave C. force_feedback_damping = 100.000000 force_feedback_latency = 00.0050000 max_steering_torque = 240.000000 Overall effects strength 130% Spring Effect 50% Damper Effect 100% The game controller effects seem to vary from one computer to another however. The effects I set on my main machine (PII400) are unusable on my older P233. -- don New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/

I've always run gpl with my LWFF with a medium sensitivity setting in the logi controle pannel and full left on the slider in GPL with a 15:1 setting in the setup. I've just started to play with the settings a bit and chainged the logi controle to med/high and the setup to 20:1 and it feels better to me the car feels easyer to drive and it's easyer to hold lines. What settings do other people use, also do any of the realy fast drivers with the logi use forced feedback? Alex Cameron

Thanks Don... I enjoy experimenting with different settings. DC don hodgdon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:92intc$qnh$[email hidden]... > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:M3436.4629$[email hidden]... > > Just curious Don or anyone else...What do you have your sliders set toin

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> > your game controller section and what are your core.ini numbers? > > > > Dave C. > > force_feedback_damping = 100.000000 > force_feedback_latency = 00.0050000 > max_steering_torque = 240.000000 > > Overall effects strength 130% > Spring Effect 50% > Damper Effect 100% > > The game controller effects seem to vary from one computer to another > however. The effects I set on my main machine (PII400) are unusable on my > older P233. > > -- > don > > New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: > http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/ > > > >

Nice settings Don..just ran some nice consistent times with them. Thanks.. DC David Ciemny <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BJp36.6504$[email hidden]...

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> Thanks Don... I enjoy experimenting with different settings. > > DC > don hodgdon <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:92intc$qnh$[email hidden]... > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:M3436.4629$[email hidden]... > > > Just curious Don or anyone else...What do you have your sliders set to > in > > > your game controller section and what are your core.ini numbers? > > > > > > Dave C. > > > > force_feedback_damping = 100.000000 > > force_feedback_latency = 00.0050000 > > max_steering_torque = 240.000000 > > > > Overall effects strength 130% > > Spring Effect 50% > > Damper Effect 100% > > > > The game controller effects seem to vary from one computer to another > > however. The effects I set on my main machine (PII400) are unusable on

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> > older P233. > > > > -- > > don > > > > New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: > > http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/ > > > > > > > > > >

Alex, no hotshoe here. I drive around 9:1 everywhere at full linear, steering hack off. You have to get used to it, especially keeping the car straight needs a bit training. It helps to add a few % centering. JensSchumi On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:42:30 -0800, "Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I've always run gpl with my LWFF with a medium sensitivity setting in the >logi controle pannel and full left on the slider in GPL with a 15:1 setting >in the setup. I've just started to play with the settings a bit and chainged >the logi controle to med/high and the setup to 20:1 and it feels better to >me the car feels easyer to drive and it's easyer to hold lines. What >settings do other people use, also do any of the realy fast drivers with the >logi use forced feedback? > >Alex Cameron >

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Hi JS..Can I ask what your core.ini settings are? DC JS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Alex, > no hotshoe here. > I drive around 9:1 everywhere at full linear, steering hack off. > You have to get used to it, especially keeping the car straight needs abit

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> training. > It helps to add a few % centering. > > JensSchumi > > > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:42:30 -0800, "Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]>

wrote: > > >I've always run gpl with my LWFF with a medium sensitivity setting in the > >logi controle pannel and full left on the slider in GPL with a 15:1setting > >in the setup. I've just started to play with the settings a bit andchainged > >the logi controle to med/high and the setup to 20:1 and it feels betterto > >me the car feels easyer to drive and it's easyer to hold lines. What > >settings do other people use, also do any of the realy fast drivers withthe

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> >logi use forced feedback? > > > >Alex Cameron > > > > --------------------------------------------- > LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: > http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ > > GPLRank: -8.3

David, ITM I'm at my notebook, so I cannot check back. If I recall right, it was about: Damping 20 latency 0,05 force 150 Please don't overestimate those settings. I just changed from a China wheel to an older Taiwan one and had to re-invent my whole settings. IMO core,ini stettings are not transferable. see you JensSchumi On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:39:16 GMT, "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hi JS..Can I ask what your core.ini settings are? > >DC > >JS <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: -8.3

David, I strongly agree with what others have said about core.ini FF settings being extremely specific to the wheel, the machine, and even your car setups and driving style. I do believe, however, that there is a logical approach you can to take to individualizing your settings. With a proper understanding of what these settings do you can produce realistic, but subtle tactile feedback that will enhance your driving ability. To that end I'll re-post some earlier comments I made on this subject, with a few revisions. Let's take a look at each of the FF core.ini settings, shed some light on what they do, and discuss some practical approaches to setting them in a way that works for you and your setup. LATENCY: This is essentially how far into the future (in seconds) the GPL software predicts what forces will be needed and sends them to your wheel, thereby overcoming latency. I determined the latency setting by driving over curbs repeatedly and adjusting the value until all four wheels produced individual FF effects in sync with what I was seeing from an outside view of the car. MAX STEERING TORQUE: This is an interesting one. This is not actually the maximum torque your wheel will produce, but is instead the *THRESHOLD* at which your wheel produces it's maximum force. Let's just pick some numbers out of the air to illustrate the point. Let's say the GPL software models the torque of shifting at high revs at 50N, fish-tailing through a corner at 200N, and a complete wipe out at 300N. If you were to set your max steering torque threshold at "50" all of these effects would be equally powerful as all would produce the maximum amount of torque possible. So if you set this threshold value too low the car is virtually undrivable and there is little distinction between the various forces. If you set this threshold value too high (say 2000), you'll lose all steering torque altogether as no steering torque force will ever reach the threshold necessary to trigger maximum effect. In this example, setting the value to 300 would allow you to feel a marked gradation between these 3 very different effects. So how do you set this for your system? First set damping in both the windows controller panel and the GPL core.ini to 0. We don't want to mess with damping right now. From a dead stop turn your wheel to full left or right lock, take your hands off the wheel, and then gradually accelerate. If the front wheels (and steering wheel) do not center under forward momentum and your car continues in a perpetual circle, then the threshold value is too high. If instead, the wheel suddenly snaps to center and or see-saws violently, then you have the threshold set too low. If the forward momentum of the car very gradually brings the front wheels (and the steering wheel) into forward alignment, as you would expect in a real world car with manual steering, then you've got the threshold value just about right. Adjusting the threshold to a level that just barely produces a centering effect at low speeds will result in a very drivable car and nice subtle tactile inputs that will cue you as to the status of your vehicle. Now here is the part that really throws people: the Max Steering Torque threshold *ONLY* affects *STEERING TORQUE FORCE* or the forces related to engine torque, torque caused by maneuvering through corners, wheel centering torque, etc. It does *NOT* affect any of the forces related to crashing into guardrails or driving on grass. For some odd reason, known only to Papyrus, these latter type of effects are only affected by the damping setting. DAMPING: This, contrary to some reports, does in fact do what it says. It causes increased "friction" or "viscosity" in the movement of the wheel and therefore also tends to lessen some FF spikes. But here's where it gets a bit strange. You'll find that as you increase the damping value, and the friction on the wheel, you also increase the forces felt when driving on grass or slamming into rails. I recommend adjusting this value just high enough to barely feel a subtle difference between pavement and grass when one single wheel drops off the road. Using this as a guide, you'll be able to tell with your eyes closed if all four wheels are on the road. Hitting curbs will feel realistic, guard rails will give you a jolt (but usually allow you to correct), and the wheel will not be so tight that you begin to lose torque effects. The key to good driving and useful tactile information is subtlety in each of these FF settings. Remember, GPL is not an arcade game! Finally, in the Windows controller panel, I personally have Force Effects set at 100% and dampening effects to 0% (you've already adjusted dampening in the GPL core.ini so adding more damping in the controller panel will just result in reduced less subtle effects). I like to use full linear steering in GPL with a steering ratio of 15:1. These latter two settings are purely a matter of taste, but you should keep in mind that they may effect the way you feel the forces at work in your wheel or at least the way your car responds as torque is placed on the wheel. Once you find a car setup that suits your driving style you may want to tweak the core.ini FF settings to match your setup. Hope this helps. -- Chris "Ambulater" Lee "Don't Bother Running.........You'll Just Die Tired." Reviews at www.sim-arena.com "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:M3436.4629$[email hidden]... > Just curious Don or anyone else...What do you have your sliders set to in > your game controller section and what are your core.ini numbers? > > Dave C.

Excellant tutorial...You should post this on a website somewhere.... dave henrie "Ambulater" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PU856.19751$[email hidden]... > David, I strongly agree with what others have said about core.ini FF

Great post, thx. One thing I have to add: Other sources on the net state to reduce spiking by increasing damping. Spiking can also be initiated by too high latency. JensSchumi On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:03:32 -0600, "Ambulater" <[email hidden]> wrote: alot of interesting stuff --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: -8.3

Yep, good point. -- Chris "Ambulater" Lee "Don't Bother Running.........You'll Just Die Tired." Reviews at www.sim-arena.com "JS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Great post, thx. > > One thing I have to add: > Other sources on the net state to reduce spiking by increasing damping. > Spiking can also be initiated by too high latency. > > JensSchumi > > > > On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:03:32 -0600, "Ambulater" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > alot of interesting stuff > > --------------------------------------------- > LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: > http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ > > GPLRank: -8.3