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First rFactor formula car video divides opinion
David G Fisher linked a video of open-wheel cars in rFactor. Some criticised the cockpit jiggle, tail slides and cartoonish graphics, comparing it to older arcade titles. Others noted that the vibration was user-adjustable and the physics promising, and said the rFactor demo proved the engine's quality. The video was compared unfavourably with SimBin's GT Legends trailers.
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hmm, looks promising, doesn't it!!
cheers
steve
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Not sure. What's with the cockpit jiggling about like that? Also,
going onto the grass didn't seem to make much difference. Plus there
was some tail sliding through the corners which seems a bit out of place
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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Scroll to the bottom of this page. > > > > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml > > > > Please release this sim NOW. > > > > > > -- > > David G Fisher > > > > > > hmm, looks promising, doesn't it!! > > cheers > > steve > > >> Not sure. What's with the cockpit jiggling about like that? Also,
> going onto the grass didn't seem to make much difference. Plus there
> was some tail sliding through the corners which seems a bit out of place
> for those type of cars.
My thoughts exactly. An F1 car drifting looks very arcadey and silly.
This appears to be a wmv file, yet my Windows Media Player can't play
it. Also, the way the link is set up I can't save the file.
Suggestions? Is there another location that I can get it from?
Thanks,
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> Scroll to the bottom of this page. > > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml > > Please release this sim NOW. > >f1 cars do drift - watch em live. They drift a LOT.
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>> Not sure. What's with the cockpit jiggling about like that? Also,
>> going onto the grass didn't seem to make much difference. Plus there
>> was some tail sliding through the corners which seems a bit out of place
>> for those type of cars.
>
> My thoughts exactly. An F1 car drifting looks very arcadey and silly.
"Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Not sure. What's with the cockpit jiggling about like that? Also,
>> going onto the grass didn't seem to make much difference. Plus there
>> was some tail sliding through the corners which seems a bit out of place
>> for those type of cars.
>
> My thoughts exactly. An F1 car drifting looks very arcadey and silly.
They also have traction control; if TC is off, 1000bhp=serious drifting!
> f1 cars do drift - watch em live. They drift a LOT.
Have to disagree I'm afraid. Drifting an F1 car around like in that video
would destroy the tyres in about 3-4 laps. Drifting is not the fastest
possible way around a corner. Unfortunately they didn't realise that back
in the era GPL simulates...(or at least they couldn't do much about it)
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
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I'd imagine the optimum slip angle of a 1967 vs a 2005 Formula (or other
high downforce modern racecars) tire are many degrees apart, allowing
the 1967 cars much more leeway in how far they can get sideways before
it becomes a disadvantage in cornering speed.
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> > f1 cars do drift - watch em live. They drift a LOT. > > Have to disagree I'm afraid. Drifting an F1 car around like in that video > would destroy the tyres in about 3-4 laps. Drifting is not the fastest > possible way around a corner. Unfortunately they didn't realise that back > in the era GPL simulates...(or at least they couldn't do much about it) >
>> f1 cars do drift - watch em live. They drift a LOT.
>
> Have to disagree I'm afraid. Drifting an F1 car around like in that video
> would destroy the tyres in about 3-4 laps. Drifting is not the fastest
> possible way around a corner. Unfortunately they didn't realise that back
> in the era GPL simulates...(or at least they couldn't do much about it)
Oh I don't think it's the fatest way for sure - but they do drift. And
judging by the smashfest in the vid, I doubt these guys were too interested
in being fast, nor completing more than a few laps! ;-)
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[email hidden] (Peter) wrote:
> Not sure. What's with the cockpit jiggling about like that? Also,
> going onto the grass didn't seem to make much difference. Plus there
> was some tail sliding through the corners which seems a bit out of
> place for those type of cars.
When I read your post I was worried. When I saw the movie I wasn't. The
strange jiggling could easily be a poorly optimised vibration effect (it's
still in development after all), so the jury's out on that one. But the
brief tail slides (a more serious issue in sim terms) looked very similar
to the slides I've seen in real F1/F3000 races.... quick loss or rear grip
on hot tyres, ease off, snaps back. You don't see a lot of them in real
life because the drivers are supposed to know what they're doing. Someone
inexperience with the real life cars or rFactor's simulation is going to
have a lot less control. And judging by the video, the guy wasn't being
particularly careful with his tyres.
Anyway, I saw nothing there that scared me. The only ISI game I've bought
before was so I could take a look at the GTR mod (or whichever one it was,
I forget now). But rFactor really does look and feel (from the demo) like
they've crossed a simulation threshold. I've been wrong before, but
I'm very hopeful.
Andrew McP
In article
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Well let's hope you're right on those points. ;-)
Still a bit worried about the overtaking by going onto the grass on the
inside though. That car should normally have got into big trouble.
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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Peter) wrote: > > > Not sure. What's with the cockpit jiggling about like that? Also, > > going onto the grass didn't seem to make much difference. Plus there > > was some tail sliding through the corners which seems a bit out of > > place for those type of cars. > > When I read your post I was worried. When I saw the movie I wasn't. The > strange jiggling could easily be a poorly optimised vibration effect (it's > still in development after all), so the jury's out on that one. But the > brief tail slides (a more serious issue in sim terms) looked very similar > to the slides I've seen in real F1/F3000 races.... quick loss or rear grip > on hot tyres, ease off, snaps back. You don't see a lot of them in real > life because the drivers are supposed to know what they're doing. Someone > inexperience with the real life cars or rFactor's simulation is going to > have a lot less control. And judging by the video, the guy wasn't being > particularly careful with his tyres. > > Anyway, I saw nothing there that scared me. The only ISI game I've bought > before was so I could take a look at the GTR mod (or whichever one it was, > I forget now). But rFactor really does look and feel (from the demo) like > they've crossed a simulation threshold. I've been wrong before, but > I'm very hopeful. > > Andrew McP >In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (Peter) wrote:
> Still a bit worried about the overtaking by going onto the grass on the
> inside though
What happens when cars leave the tarmac has always been a bit iffy in
sims. It may be one of those areas where total realism might be a bit too
much to handle... or to justify modelling in detail, especially when we're
asking for ever-higher fidelity in the actual tarmac... bumps, roughness,
marbles. Modelling a car width or so either side of the track in detail as
well would add considerably to the workload, so shortcuts are inevitable
Of course it's also another area where I imagine beta testing has a large
part to play, tweaking the balance between realism and gameplay.
Andrew McP
On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:06:07 -0500, RWKeating wrote:
> This appears to be a wmv file, yet my Windows Media Player can't play
> it. Also, the way the link is set up I can't save the file.
> Suggestions? Is there another location that I can get it from?
>
mplayer / Linux plays it fine, so I guess you are missing some sort of
codec.
Cheers, uwe
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[email hidden] (Uwe =?iso-8859-15?Q?Sch=FCrkamp?=) wrote:
> so I guess you are missing some sort of
> codec.
.wmv format is usually pretty "foolproof", with codecs getting downloaded
automatically. It's more likely to be a corrupt download IME.
Andrew McP
Cars Jiggle. Especially race cars on rough race tracks :)
-Larry
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> In article <uvkfe.6600$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... >> >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page. >> > >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml >> > >> > Please release this sim NOW. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > David G Fisher >> > >> > >> >> hmm, looks promising, doesn't it!! >> >> cheers >> >> steve >> >> >> > Not sure. What's with the cockpit jiggling about like that? Also, > going onto the grass didn't seem to make much difference. Plus there > was some tail sliding through the corners which seems a bit out of place > for those type of cars. > -- > Pete Ives > Remove All_stRESS before sending me an emailIf you remember GT Racing (which I liked), the grass was more like quicksand
than grass.
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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Peter) wrote: > >> Still a bit worried about the overtaking by going onto the grass on the >> inside though > > What happens when cars leave the tarmac has always been a bit iffy in > sims. It may be one of those areas where total realism might be a bit too > much to handle... or to justify modelling in detail, especially when we're > asking for ever-higher fidelity in the actual tarmac... bumps, roughness, > marbles. Modelling a car width or so either side of the track in detail as > well would add considerably to the workload, so shortcuts are inevitable > > Of course it's also another area where I imagine beta testing has a large > part to play, tweaking the balance between realism and gameplay. > > Andrew McPOn Mon, 9 May 2005 08:28:15 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Cars Jiggle. Especially race cars on rough race tracks :)
Yes. However, when you're in the car you also feel the motion, so
your brain can correct the information it gets from the eyes. You
can't do this when driving a sim, so you might suffer
motionsickness...
Cheers!
Remco
In article <[email hidden]>, no@email says...
Besides, I would say cars 'Vibrate' more than jiggle. That just doesn't
look right. But hopefully it won't be quite like that when completed.
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> On Mon, 9 May 2005 08:28:15 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Cars Jiggle. Especially race cars on rough race tracks :) > > Yes. However, when you're in the car you also feel the motion, so > your brain can correct the information it gets from the eyes. You > can't do this when driving a sim, so you might suffer > motionsickness... > > > Cheers! > > > Remco >Try this.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=06fcaab7-dcc9-466b-b0c4-04db144bb601&DisplayLang=en
Mitch
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> This appears to be a wmv file, yet my Windows Media Player can't play it. > Also, the way the link is set up I can't save the file. Suggestions? Is > there another location that I can get it from? > > Thanks, > Russell > >>"Peter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The cockpit vibration effect is already tunable to user preference in the
PLR file. Frequency and multiplier are adjustable, both for primary and
secondary effects. This is the norm for current ISI offerings. Similar
settings exist in NSR as well; you can even choose whether to have the
rearview mirror vibrate or not, and what percentage of your vibration is
tied to engine revs vs. road speed.
Can't really say much about the Formula car behavior from the video, though
I agree they look a bit slidey. Main thing I noticed is the car and cockpit
graphics look a little cartoonish, similar to the current ones in the
rFactor demo. I think that's an aesthetic choice, as the engine can
certainly deliver better. The scenery looks much more realistic, which
makes for an odd combination. Sort of like animated characters in an
otherwise live-action movie. Rebecca Rabbit comes to mind, proving
animation's not such a bad thing... ;-)
Slow-mo'ing through the crash scenes, it looks like they've improved that
area a lot over the F1C-generation engine. Hope the replay capability is
improved to match!
SB
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> In article <[email hidden]>, no@email says... > > On Mon, 9 May 2005 08:28:15 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Cars Jiggle. Especially race cars on rough race tracks :) > > > > Yes. However, when you're in the car you also feel the motion, so > > your brain can correct the information it gets from the eyes. You > > can't do this when driving a sim, so you might suffer > > motionsickness... > > > > Cheers! > > > > Remco > > > Besides, I would say cars 'Vibrate' more than jiggle. That just doesn't > look right. But hopefully it won't be quite like that when completed. >"Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in
Is there another link or a torrent file anywhere? I have terrible
connections to SW Hungary.
dave henrie
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> > Slow-mo'ing through the crash scenes, it looks like they've improved > that area a lot over the F1C-generation engine. Hope the replay > capability is improved to match! > > SB > >
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try this link
http://mail2.teambattlezone.com/~lucky/rfactor/rfformula.zip
cheers
steve
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> "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in > >> >> Slow-mo'ing through the crash scenes, it looks like they've improved >> that area a lot over the F1C-generation engine. Hope the replay >> capability is improved to match! >> >> SB >> >> > > Is there another link or a torrent file anywhere? I have terrible > connections to SW Hungary. > > dave henrie"Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:4zWfe.8265$31.4371@news-
server.bigpond.net.au:
> http://mail2.teambattlezone.com/~lucky/rfactor/rfformula.zip
Much better, thanks much
dave henrie
server.bigpond.net.au:
Much better, thanks much
dave henrie
Did I see a bug get splattered on the camera lense? Any sim that models
bug splatters can't be all bad. I noticed the cars behaved when rolling.
Too often, that condition creates unrealistic launches towards the
stratosphere and/or a dozen too many rolls. They seem to have tamed the
car flipping.(remember when we begged for a car that could go verticle?)
I will agree, the sliding seems a tad overdone for Formula 1, but are
those F1 or F3? (grooved tires...'should' be F1)
dave henrie
On Tue, 10 May 2005 01:52:42 -0500, Dave Henrie wrote:
> Did I see a bug get splattered on the camera lense? Any sim that models
> bug splatters can't be all bad. I noticed the cars behaved when rolling.
Yeah, noticed that. I wonder (and it would not surprise me in the
least) if they have modelled tear-off visors, too.
cheers,
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"Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>But rFactor really does look and feel (from the demo) like
> they've crossed a simulation threshold. I've been wrong before, but
> I'm very hopeful.
>
> Andrew McP
You're a glutton for punishment Andrew! :)
It's not a Papy project you know! :) I suppose someone other than Papy
must actually do a sim right eventually though - wonder when? The fact that
there is a link between GTR and rFactor is a worry.
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<shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed garbage
to me :(
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Right.
rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer you've
ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six months.
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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Scroll to the bottom of this page. > > > > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml > > > > Please release this sim NOW. > > > > > > -- > > David G Fisher > > > > > > <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed garbage > to me :(In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...
I'd be happy with 2 out of 3 of those. The graphics, as Steve B said,
didn't quite look realistic to me either, but wasn't as bothered about
the look as the physics side of things so didn't comment first time
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> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:42807c70$0$27631$[email hidden]... > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Scroll to the bottom of this page. > > > > > > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml > > > > > > Please release this sim NOW. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed garbage > > to me :( > > Right. > > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer you've > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six months. > > >> rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer you've
> ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six months.
Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that went
;-)
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> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:42807c70$0$27631$[email hidden]... >> >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page. >> > >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml >> > >> > Please release this sim NOW. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > David G Fisher >> > >> > >> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed >> garbage >> to me :( > > Right. > > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer you've > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six months. > > > -- > David G Fisher > > >You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months?
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> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
you've
> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
months.
>
> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that
went
> ;-)
>
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> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml
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> >> > Please release this sim NOW.
> >> >
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> >> >
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> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed
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> >> to me :(
> >
> > Right.
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> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer
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> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six
months.
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I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing
software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and proven
I'll take a look.
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> You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months? > > > -- > David G Fisher > > "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:363ge.35833$0X6.2307@edtnps90... >> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer > you've >> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six > months. >> >> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that > went >> ;-) >> >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > >> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > > news:42807c70$0$27631$[email hidden]... >> >> >> >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> news:[email hidden]... >> >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page. >> >> > >> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml >> >> > >> >> > Please release this sim NOW. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > David G Fisher >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed >> >> garbage >> >> to me :( >> > >> > Right. >> > >> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer > you've >> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six > months. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > David G Fisher >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >In most cases Id agree with ya but the Rfactor demo isnt just any demo Was
the GPL demo just a demo?
Commenting on a racing sim based on a video isnt doing anyone any good
either.
Mitch
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>I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing >software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and proven >I'll take a look. >>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer >> you've >>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six >> months. >>> >>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that >> went >>> ;-)I never commented based on the demo, I made a remark as to the hype and what
can happen in reality.
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> In most cases Id agree with ya but the Rfactor demo isnt just any demo > Was the GPL demo just a demo? > > Commenting on a racing sim based on a video isnt doing anyone any good > either. > > Mitch > > > "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ie3ge.35835$0X6.10362@edtnps90... >>I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing >>software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and proven >>I'll take a look. > >>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer >>> you've >>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six >>> months. >>>> >>>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that >>> went >>>> ;-) > >Michael R Sisson wrote:
> I'd imagine the optimum slip angle of a 1967 vs a 2005 Formula (orother
> high downforce modern racecars) tire are many degrees apart, allowing
> the 1967 cars much more leeway in how far they can get sidewaysbefore
> it becomes a disadvantage in cornering speed.
Based on the video, it looks like the wings in ISI's engine still
generate downforce when the car is sideways (a'la F1C/F1-2002/etc).
"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1115751302.343329.88520
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> Based on the video, it looks like the wings in ISI's engine still
> generate downforce when the car is sideways (a'la F1C/F1-2002/etc).
>
When I looked at the .hdv files for F1c, it appeared they had a formula
for computing yaw and slip reduction in downforce. So I would guess then,
that it is merely a matter of finding a more accepatble value to input into
those formulae...
(anyhow...that's all over my head.)
dave henrie
Dave Henrie wrote:
> When I looked at the .hdv files for F1c, it appeared they had aformula
> for computing yaw and slip reduction in downforce. So I would guessthen,
> that it is merely a matter of finding a more accepatble value toinput into
> those formulae...
Definitely. I always set those to 1.0 for racing the AI, I just wish
they'd set it better by default.
This one is your loss then. Really...
-Larry
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>I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing >software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and proven >I'll take a look. > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months? >> >> >> -- >> David G Fisher >> >> "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:363ge.35833$0X6.2307@edtnps90... >>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer >> you've >>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six >> months. >>> >>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that >> went >>> ;-) >>> >>> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>> > >>> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> > >> news:42807c70$0$27631$[email hidden]... >>> >> >>> >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> >> news:[email hidden]... >>> >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page. >>> >> > >>> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml >>> >> > >>> >> > Please release this sim NOW. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > David G Fisher >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed >>> >> garbage >>> >> to me :( >>> > >>> > Right. >>> > >>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer >> you've >>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six >> months. >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > David G Fisher >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > >No loss, as I said I have no time to be beta testing demos.
When the full version is out and if it is decent and leagues are using it
then I'll consider it. I have past the days of jumping on every new demo
and wasting time with them until they are known to be keepers.
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> This one is your loss then. Really... > > -Larry > > "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ie3ge.35835$0X6.10362@edtnps90... >>I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing >>software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and proven >>I'll take a look. >> >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> David G Fisher >>> >>> "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:363ge.35833$0X6.2307@edtnps90... >>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer >>> you've >>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six >>> months. >>>> >>>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that >>> went >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>> > >>>> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> > >>> news:42807c70$0$27631$[email hidden]... >>>> >> >>>> >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> >> news:[email hidden]... >>>> >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Please release this sim NOW. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > David G Fisher >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed >>>> >> garbage >>>> >> to me :( >>>> > >>>> > Right. >>>> > >>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer >>> you've >>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six >>> months. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > David G Fisher >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >"Peter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...
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> > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayeryou've
> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past sixmonths.
> >
> I'd be happy with 2 out of 3 of those. The graphics, as Steve B said,
> didn't quite look realistic to me either, but wasn't as bothered about
> the look as the physics side of things so didn't comment first time
> around.
Couldn't resist revisting this in light of the GTL presentation videos that
popped up on BHMS today. Assuming SimBin are using gMotor2 as well, there
couldn't be a better example of two totally different aesthetic approaches.
Load them up side by side and that rFactor formula car video looks like an
old Ubisoft game next to GTL.
The former looks like a brightly-colored, oversaturated computer game, while
GTL, at least from the incar view, is getting closer to photorealism.
They're blurry, cruddy MOV's, but the textures and lighting look great.
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Just took a look at those GTL Quicktime Movies 'to compare' and that
game sure looks interesting, regardless of the graphic qualities. :)
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> "Peter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer > you've > > > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six > months. > > > > > I'd be happy with 2 out of 3 of those. The graphics, as Steve B said, > > didn't quite look realistic to me either, but wasn't as bothered about > > the look as the physics side of things so didn't comment first time > > around. > > Couldn't resist revisting this in light of the GTL presentation videos that > popped up on BHMS today. Assuming SimBin are using gMotor2 as well, there > couldn't be a better example of two totally different aesthetic approaches. > Load them up side by side and that rFactor formula car video looks like an > old Ubisoft game next to GTL. > > The former looks like a brightly-colored, oversaturated computer game, while > GTL, at least from the incar view, is getting closer to photorealism. > They're blurry, cruddy MOV's, but the textures and lighting look great. > >You don't HAVE to beta test it is the point.
Just download the damned thing, go racing, and enjoy yourself!
That's what the rest of us are doing.
-Larry
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> No loss, as I said I have no time to be beta testing demos. > When the full version is out and if it is decent and leagues are using it > then I'll consider it. I have past the days of jumping on every new demo > and wasting time with them until they are known to be keepers. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:DPrge.6003$Ay3.2109@lakeread06... >> This one is your loss then. Really... >> >> -Larry >> >> "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:ie3ge.35835$0X6.10362@edtnps90... >>>I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing >>>software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and proven >>>I'll take a look. >>> >>> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>>> You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> David G Fisher >>>> >>>> "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:363ge.35833$0X6.2307@edtnps90... >>>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer >>>> you've >>>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six >>>> months. >>>>> >>>>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how that >>>> went >>>>> ;-) >>>>> >>>>> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>> > >>>>> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>> > >>>> news:42807c70$0$27631$[email hidden]... >>>>> >> >>>>> >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>> >> news:[email hidden]... >>>>> >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Please release this sim NOW. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > -- >>>>> >> > David G Fisher >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed >>>>> >> garbage >>>>> >> to me :( >>>>> > >>>>> > Right. >>>>> > >>>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer >>>> you've >>>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six >>>> months. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > David G Fisher >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >Is it currently being used by any leagues to run competitive points series?
I assume as a demo it is limited in some fashion or is it the complete full
meal deal as it plans to ship?
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> You don't HAVE to beta test it is the point. > > Just download the damned thing, go racing, and enjoy yourself! > > That's what the rest of us are doing. > > -Larry > > "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mBsge.36376$0X6.30677@edtnps90... >> No loss, as I said I have no time to be beta testing demos. >> When the full version is out and if it is decent and leagues are using it >> then I'll consider it. I have past the days of jumping on every new demo >> and wasting time with them until they are known to be keepers. >> >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:DPrge.6003$Ay3.2109@lakeread06... >>> This one is your loss then. Really... >>> >>> -Larry >>> >>> "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:ie3ge.35835$0X6.10362@edtnps90... >>>>I personally don't bother with demos anymore, no time to be beta testing >>>>software, I have limited time to sim as is. When a sim is out and >>>>proven I'll take a look. >>>> >>>> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>> You guys do realize there's been a demo out for months? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> David G Fisher >>>>> >>>>> "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>> news:363ge.35833$0X6.2307@edtnps90... >>>>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer >>>>> you've >>>>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six >>>>> months. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kinda sounds like the marketing hype for EA's NSR and we know how >>>>>> that >>>>> went >>>>>> ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>> > >>>>> news:42807c70$0$27631$[email hidden]... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>>> >> news:[email hidden]... >>>>>> >> > Scroll to the bottom of this page. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > http://www.hsw.hu/jatekhirek_eng.shtml >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > Please release this sim NOW. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > -- >>>>>> >> > David G Fisher >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> <shakes head> Did you say"sim"? Looks like some need for speed >>>>>> >> garbage >>>>>> >> to me :( >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Right. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > rFactor will only have the best physics, graphics, and multiplayer >>>>> you've >>>>>> > ever seen in an auto sim. Not sure where you've been the past six >>>>> months. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > David G Fisher >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >"schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> Is it currently being used by any leagues to run competitive points
> series? I assume as a demo it is limited in some fashion or is it the
> complete full meal deal as it plans to ship?
>
It is a mulitplayer test demo. They have crippled a good portion of the
graphics and the physics. Still, when you compare it to a Touring Car mod
from F1c, you'll be pleased. I think ETCC by the RSR mod group was/is
spectacular in representing Touring Cars. The car of choice in the demo
ranges from a near street car to a full blown TC. THink a Honda Civic
morphing into a Real Time Acura Speed World Challenge Touring Car.
There is only one fictional track and only the three levels of the same
type of car, but here is where you need to pay attention.
ISI stuff works differently than Papyrus. I'm not saying better and I'm
certainly not saying worse...but different. You can be using this time to
familiarize yourself with the ISI methodology and controller setups. If
you use 100 linearty for your wheel axis in Papyrus sims, then think 50%
for ISI. If you try and use Papy numbers with rFactor, then you will have
a plowing boat of a car.
So don't worry about 'beta testing' for some company, they have already
done most of the r&D on the multiplayer aspects. What is out there now is
mainly a free classroom. It is a chance for you to get at least familiar
with how this line of sims works.
I loved the demo when it first came out...but I have rarely driven it
since, mainly because I have a league that I don't practice enough for
already, and I'm helping finish some F1c mod stuff so SSM can move on to
fFactor once it finally is released.
dave henrie
Thanks Dave, that helps. As I said I don't have much time either so I'll
pass until a full version is out. Sounds interesting though but I may be
sticking with Papy for sometime since I typically just run NASCAR ovals and
roadies as is in our league and this may not replace that unless there is a
stock car mod for it planned.
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> "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:OfMge.37697$0X6.34810@edtnps90: > >> Is it currently being used by any leagues to run competitive points >> series? I assume as a demo it is limited in some fashion or is it the >> complete full meal deal as it plans to ship? >> > > It is a mulitplayer test demo. They have crippled a good portion of the > graphics and the physics. Still, when you compare it to a Touring Car mod > from F1c, you'll be pleased. I think ETCC by the RSR mod group was/is > spectacular in representing Touring Cars. The car of choice in the demo > ranges from a near street car to a full blown TC. THink a Honda Civic > morphing into a Real Time Acura Speed World Challenge Touring Car. > There is only one fictional track and only the three levels of the same > type of car, but here is where you need to pay attention. > > ISI stuff works differently than Papyrus. I'm not saying better and I'm > certainly not saying worse...but different. You can be using this time to > familiarize yourself with the ISI methodology and controller setups. If > you use 100 linearty for your wheel axis in Papyrus sims, then think 50% > for ISI. If you try and use Papy numbers with rFactor, then you will have > a plowing boat of a car. > > So don't worry about 'beta testing' for some company, they have already > done most of the r&D on the multiplayer aspects. What is out there now is > mainly a free classroom. It is a chance for you to get at least familiar > with how this line of sims works. > > I loved the demo when it first came out...but I have rarely driven it > since, mainly because I have a league that I don't practice enough for > already, and I'm helping finish some F1c mod stuff so SSM can move on to > fFactor once it finally is released. > > dave henrieQuoted text (8 lines)
>"Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote > Couldn't resist revisting this in light of the GTL presentation videos > that > popped up on BHMS today. Assuming SimBin are using gMotor2 as well, there > couldn't be a better example of two totally different aesthetic > approaches. > Load them up side by side and that rFactor formula car video looks like an > old Ubisoft game next to GTL.
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> >"Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > Couldn't resist revisting this in light of the GTL presentation videos
> > that
> > popped up on BHMS today. Assuming SimBin are using gMotor2 as well,there
> > couldn't be a better example of two totally different aesthetic
> > approaches.
> > Load them up side by side and that rFactor formula car video looks likean
> > old Ubisoft game next to GTL.
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> I have to agree, the first thing my mind said after viewing that rFactorF1
> vid, is "MGPRS2". Everything is there, from the bland textures to thebadly
> done divisions between the road and the grass. It feels off.
I still can't believe the things I read at ras sometimes.
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> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > >"Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > > Couldn't resist revisiting this in light of the GTL presentationvideos
> > > that
> > > popped up on BHMS today. Assuming SimBin are using gMotor2 as well,
> there
> > > couldn't be a better example of two totally different aesthetic
> > > approaches.
> > > Load them up side by side and that rFactor formula car video lookslike
Hehe... Actually, I was thinking back further than MGPRS2, but couldn't
remember what they called that POS. ;-) I agree the graphics in that
formula car vid are kind of cartoonish, but since I have the rFactor demo I
know the scenery generally looks good. The banners and buildings do have a
bit of that same look, but It's primarily the cars that look "gamey" in
rFactor. I think they're going for a "look" that appeals to gamers as well
as sim-heads, while the folks at SimBin have a much more focused target
market in mind. I still like rFactor, mind you - just muchly prefer the
realistic direction SimBin are going graphically.
SB
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> an > > > old Ubisoft game next to GTL. > > > > I have to agree, the first thing my mind said after viewing that rFactor > F1 > > vid, is "MGPRS2". Everything is there, from the bland textures to the > badly > > done divisions between the road and the grass. It feels off. > > I still can't believe the things I read at ras sometimes."Steve Blankenship" wrote:
rfactor seemed to have got rid of that washed out look of the previous
engines. The cartoony cars don't bother me as I am sure some real life skins
will shortly be available after release.
I just focused on single seaters with some pretty wayward rear ends like you
would see in the lower formulas like Formula Renault etc (or even a Minardi
on the ragged edge!) and it looked great to me. Depends what you want. I'd
rather be fighting the car with some turn in oversteer whilst pulling off an
overtaking manouvre than putting in the perfect F1 lap whilst the opponent
pits.
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> Hehe... Actually, I was thinking back further than MGPRS2, but couldn't > remember what they called that POS. ;-) I agree the graphics in that > formula car vid are kind of cartoonish, but since I have the rFactor demo > I know the scenery generally looks good. > The banners and buildings do have > a bit of that same look, but It's primarily the cars that look "gamey" in > rFactor. I think they're going for a "look" that appeals to gamers as > well as sim-heads, while the folks at SimBin have a much more focused > target market in mind. > I still like rFactor, mind you - just muchly prefer the > realistic direction SimBin are going graphically.On Fri, 13 May 2005 11:31:41 -0400, Steve Blankenship wrote:
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> Hehe... Actually, I was thinking back further than MGPRS2, but couldn't
> remember what they called that POS. ;-) I agree the graphics in that
You mean the second incarnation of RS? I think it wasn't all bad, for
its day and age of course.
All the best, uwe
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