Eldred's Silverstone Race

Well, I finally had all my ducks in a row (correct fuel load, decent setup, and I wasn't really in much of a hurry). After 8 laps, someone in a Cooper was riding the grass letting cars by and decided to get back on the track just as I was getting ready to go by him. When he veered back onto the track, I tried to slow and turn left more, but I was carrying too much speed into the corner and over-corrected. I spun without leaving the racing surface or hitting anything/anyone. I was simultaneously beginning to accelerate and congradulating myself for my deft recovery maneuver when a Lotus stuck his nose in my gearbox as I was flipped over. FUCK! -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons IGPS/3 Home Page http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

That Cooper almost had to have been me... I tried to check for sure, but my replay only goes back as far as lap13. All I can do is apologise unreservedly. I wasn't aware of your presence, otherwise I would not have attempted to rejoin the track. I wasn't in any great hurry or trying to limit damage from my half spin either. I just didn't see / hear you, I'm sorry. Damn... I was pretty proud of that race until I read this. Jan. =--- John Simmons wrote... > <snip>

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> That Cooper almost had to have been me... I tried to check for sure, but my > replay only goes back as far as lap13. > > All I can do is apologise unreservedly. I wasn't aware of your presence, > otherwise I would not have attempted to rejoin the track. I wasn't in any > great hurry or trying to limit damage from my half spin either. I just > didn't see / hear you, I'm sorry. > > Damn... I was pretty proud of that race until I read this. >

I was just severely disappointed that I was only in it for nine of the 80 laps, and was removed through no real fault of my own. My record thus far in Eldred's GP's is less than stellar. I ran out of gas at Zandvoort because I had the wrong setup loaded, and bent my suspension at the ring on lap 1 turn 1 (both were my fault). -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons IGPS/3 Home Page http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

That's racing! "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, jan.no- > [email hidden] says... > > That Cooper almost had to have been me... I tried to check for sure, butmy > > replay only goes back as far as lap13. > > > > All I can do is apologise unreservedly. I wasn't aware of your presence, > > otherwise I would not have attempted to rejoin the track. I wasn't inany

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> > great hurry or trying to limit damage from my half spin either. I just > > didn't see / hear you, I'm sorry. > > > > Damn... I was pretty proud of that race until I read this. > > > > I was just severely disappointed that I was only in it for nine of the 80 > laps, and was removed through no real fault of my own. > > My record thus far in Eldred's GP's is less than stellar. I ran out of > gas at Zandvoort because I had the wrong setup loaded, and bent my > suspension at the ring on lap 1 turn 1 (both were my fault). > > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > IGPS/3 Home Page > http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

>My record thus far in Eldred's GP's is less than stellar. I ran out of >gas at Zandvoort because I had the wrong setup loaded, and bent my >suspension at the ring on lap 1 turn 1 (both were my fault). I got discoed on lap 3 at Zandy and then got it into my head that the Ring race was a day later than it actually was. At Silverstone I connected, found my brake pedal was playing up, and so shut down and restarted. I managed to get back only to have a different brake problem. I restarted again, ran some training laps, found everything was OK, and restarted VROC. Found it was in "transition" mode with 20/20 drivers. No race for me :-( -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

So who won? don

I just learned I saved my laptimes instead of the results, so here's a listing from ReplayAnalyser. RACE RESULTS (After 80 laps) Pos No Driver Team Nat Laps Race Time Diff 1 2 Andre Warringa Lotus HOL 80 124m05.525s 2 12 Jan Verschueren Coventry BEL 79 124m45.307s 1 lap(s) 3 19 Mike Tate FD Ferrari IRE 79 125m36.599s 1 lap(s) 4 6 Don McCorkle Ferrari USA 63 98m22.896s 17 lap(s) 5 9 Herko ter Horst Ferrari HOL 49 76m08.142s 31 lap(s) 6 14 Roger Squires Ferrari USA 47 74m26.189s 33 lap(s) 7 3 Eldred Pickett Ferrari USA 44 71m30.165s 36 lap(s) 8 1 Mochlos Hellblade Ferrari DEN 33 51m30.275s 47 lap(s) 9 8 Jon Andersen Lotus FIN 28 42m14.930s 52 lap(s) 10 17 Rob Adams Lotus CAN 22 34m46.895s 58 lap(s) 11 7 Brett Cammack FD Coventry USA 15 27m20.704s 65 lap(s) 12 5 Pierre Leblanc Lotus BEL 13 20m10.213s 67 lap(s) 13 16 John Ferrari Simmons Ferrari USA 9 14m23.970s 71 lap(s) 14 18 Remco Rohde Ferrari HOL 8 12m29.172s 72 lap(s) 15 20 Manfred Winkler Lotus GER 8 12m50.396s 72 lap(s) 16 13 Phillip Malphrus Jr. Ferrari USA 8 13m56.959s 72 lap(s) 17 10 Johnny Herbert Lotus GBR 5 8m21.974s 75 lap(s) 18 11 Kevin Chalk Lotus USA 4 6m28.416s 76 lap(s) 19 15 Simon Willis Lotus GBR 0 0m00.000s 80 lap(s) 20 4 Eldred Pickett Brabham USA 0 DidNotStart 80 lap(s) Jan. =--- don hodgdon wrote... > So who won? > > don > >

On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:49:20 -0800, "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote: >So who won? > >don The newspaper from the Silverstone race is here: http://members1.chello.nl/~a.warringa1/Silverstone.jpg including a funky picture of the winner :) Andre

Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The newspaper from the Silverstone race is here: > http://members1.chello.nl/~a.warringa1/Silverstone.jpg > including a funky picture of the winner :) > Andre Congrats Andre..... Great (mental)battle, If I never ever see another pitboard saying "WARRI -2" it will still be too soon.... I have never before driven so many laps without any major mistakes... I think these GP lenght races are helping me improve the mental part of my driving a lot. Started in 4 position and got a clean getaway... let a follow Ferrari pass me into T3 ( and another slipped right by in the same manuever) and set out to just keep them in my sights. Lapped quite consistently and at some point the board claimed that I was up into second... Warringa 7-8 seconds behind and Jon a full minute ahead. I had to get out of my chair to turn the volume up... my girlfriend suddently cranked the livingroom speakers up, so I was having trouble concentrating, that little move cost me 5 seconds and the next 10-15?? laps the board just said "WARRI -2". I tried to keep cool, but eventually I broke, lost it and Andre passed me. Got going right away and follow him closely. Now the board said "WARRI +2" for some laps ;) Then my wheel quit working properly AGAIN and after 2-3 laps of shaky driving I decided to kickstart it. Drove to a halt at the side of the road, turned the power (to the wheel) off and on again. That does one of two things... either the wheel starts functioning again, or the computer dies.... the computer died. The really wierd part is that even though i could use no buttons, the mouse or the wheel, I could still see other people in my rearviewmirror .... I really hope I was stationary according to the server also ;) So if a Ferrari drove around like the driver was blind, I apologize. All in all a fun race for me personally, hope to be a part of the next event also. Mikkel PS: any replays or replay analyser txt's available ??

On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 02:22:21 +0100, "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Congrats Andre..... > >Great (mental)battle, If I never ever see another pitboard saying "WARRI -2" >it will still be too soon.... I have never before driven so many laps >without any major mistakes... I think these GP lenght races are helping me >improve the mental part of my driving a lot. They surely are.. In pickup races I have no problems with my nerves, but during league races I often get really nervous, especially during the end of the race, and often I start to screw up then. These 2-hour races really help focussing on staying on the track. >I had to get out of my chair to turn the volume up... my girlfriend >suddently cranked the livingroom speakers up, so I was having trouble >concentrating, that little move cost me 5 seconds and the next 10-15?? laps >the board just said "WARRI -2". Sure, blame the girl :) I qualified 10th if I remember correctly and during the start I also let a couple of cars pass me. The start was surprisingly clean as far as I could see. Especially at Silverstone this is quite rare! During the first laps I had to avoid a couple of wrecks, I could pass a couple of cars and I quickly gained position. You were at a certain moment in front of me, and indeed I was -2 seconds behind you for a lap or 10-15. I wasn't trying to gain on you, or to stay close to you. I was only concentrating on staying on the track. I had in my mind to only start pushing it when there would only be 20-30 laps left. And to my surprise you then spinned in front of me and I could pass you. I can't remember what happened then, I believe I had position 3 or 2, anyway, at a certain point I was 2nd and Jon Anderson was driving in front of me, with a huge advantage of 1:30. Then I saw some Pit In messages from Jon. This distracted me, since I couldn't understand what the hell he was doing, pitting in after every lap. It turned out that he had some weird blag flag problems. From lap 30 or so I was at nr.1 position, with nr.2 being 30 seconds or so behind me. He didn't gain on me so I could drive on quite relaxed. Around lap 40 I lapped a couple of guys, who let me all pass safely at the first oportunity, thanks gentleman. Around lap 70 I spinned, but since the rest of the field was -1 lap behind this was not a problem. Boy was I glad to see the chequered flag, including the practice it was a 2.5 hour drive and every part of my body was hurting now. But it was worth it, completing 80 laps without shift-R felt great, especially at Silverstone, the track which I dislike the most in GPL :) Andre >PS: any replays or replay analyser txt's available ?? Eldred said he would upload the replay.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >Around lap 40 I lapped a couple of guys, who let me all pass safely at >the first oportunity, thanks gentleman. > > You're welcome... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >>PS: any replays or replay analyser txt's available ?? > >Eldred said he would upload the replay. Results from Zandvoort, Nurburgring, and Silverstone... http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/gpl.htm Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I've just watched the beginning of the Silverstone replay (stunning footage... looks just like a real race in places <g>) and as Daffy Duck would say : "AHA! -An imposter!!" Wasn't me John, Brett Cammack is the one you want to hit. I had a similar incident, but luckily my efforts in determining if someone was still behind me proved sufficient as I re-entered on a "clean" track. Phew!! -I can show myself in public again. ;-) Jan./who's praying he didn't inadvertently shove someone else into the fence. =--- John Simmons wrote...

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> <snip> > I was just severely disappointed that I was only in it > for nine of the 80 laps, and was removed through no real > fault of my own. > > My record thus far in Eldred's GP's is less than stellar. > I ran out of gas at Zandvoort because I had the wrong setup > loaded, and bent my suspension at the ring on lap 1 turn 1 > (both were my fault).

OK, since we're all confessing our sins, I rear-ended a Ferrari on lap 10 or so. Came around a corner and he was just getting back up to speed after spinning (?) and I smoked him, sending him on his roof and out. Due to the invulnerable-nose feature of GPL I was able to continue and was up to 5th when I blew my engine lap 22 or so (bad shifting habits due to running Int Short races). All in all I was very pleased with the quality of the driving. I will look for "realistic" damage on line from now on - people are smarter when the stakes are higher. That start was GREAT - lots of give and take and no red haze visible anywhere :) "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I've just watched the beginning of the Silverstone replay (stunning > footage... looks just like a real race in places <g>) and as Daffy Duck > would say : "AHA! -An imposter!!" > > Wasn't me John, Brett Cammack is the one you want to hit. > > I had a similar incident, but luckily my efforts in determining if someone > was still behind me proved sufficient as I re-entered on a "clean" track. > > Phew!! -I can show myself in public again. ;-) > > Jan./who's praying he didn't inadvertently shove someone else into the > fence. > =--- > John Simmons wrote... > > <snip> > > I was just severely disappointed that I was only in it > > for nine of the 80 laps, and was removed through no real > > fault of my own. > > > > My record thus far in Eldred's GP's is less than stellar. > > I ran out of gas at Zandvoort because I had the wrong setup > > loaded, and bent my suspension at the ring on lap 1 turn 1 > > (both were my fault). > > >

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:50:29 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Wasn't me John, Brett Cammack is the one you want to hit. Oops, my bad. I fear John and me were victims of GPL's "one-car-behind" constraint. Besides the mirrors, I was keenly listening for more cars, too, but apparently without sufficient success. I was really busting my ass trying to stay clear of one and all. I also cannot recall reentering the track abruptly, although I can appreciate the predictive nature of on-line play could make it appear as a such. I do recall making a less-than-casual move back onto the track, but only to keep the wheels from being removed by the hay bales preceding the bridge on Farm Straight. >I had a similar incident, but luckily my efforts in determining if someone >was still behind me proved sufficient as I re-entered on a "clean" track. Like John, I was punted rather sharply in the tranny at the end of the Hangar Straight and spent what seemed an eternity staring down the nose of my Cooper watching the pavement and then grass passing below. By some miracle, I never passed over the "point of no return" vertically and it fell back onto all four wheels unharmed. My race ended at lap 20 when, while trying to leave the line open entering T3, I was a hair too fast for that wide a line and encountered the bank with enough force to turn turtle. Please accept my apology, John. I can certainly understand your frustration. I would never intentionally cause such a thing to happen. I certainly wasn't out on the grass on purpose, Silverstone tends to find me there after several of the faster corners. Honestly, I was shocked when I signed onto Vroc about two hours later and saw there were still 10 laps to go! I don't believe I would've given it a go had I realized there was a possibility of that sort of time commitment. Man, I would've been a basket case by the halfway point! I will definitely demiur from further such contests until I've better got my chops up at a particular track and I can set that sort of time aside. What do you guys use, leg urinals or something?? LOL Congrats to Andre. I could not believe that anyone could hang a car out like that so early into such a race without seemingly a care about wrecking. Amazing display of prowess... Regards, Brett C. Cammack brettDOTcammack@worldnetDOTattDOTnet (remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:50:29 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I've just watched the beginning of the Silverstone replay (stunning >footage... looks just like a real race in places <g>) and as Daffy Duck >would say : "AHA! -An imposter!!" > >Wasn't me John, Brett Cammack is the one you want to hit. Wait wait wait, are you sure?? I have to watch the replay again when I get home then. I watched it last night, and as I wrote in another post, I wasn't you who rammed John, it was someone else. But not Brett, some somebody called S. something.. Perhaps I was mistaken, I'll get back on this one. Andre

I don't necessarily want to *hit* anyone... :-) I recognize the fact that it was "one of them racin' deals", but the person in question would have been awarded a hefty points penalty in the league I run for pulling back out into oncoming traffic like that. Brett doesn't have to worry about any kind of future retribution because I don't work like that. :-) In article <[email hidden]>, jan.no- [email hidden] says...

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> I've just watched the beginning of the Silverstone replay (stunning > footage... looks just like a real race in places <g>) and as Daffy Duck > would say : "AHA! -An imposter!!" > > Wasn't me John, Brett Cammack is the one you want to hit. > > I had a similar incident, but luckily my efforts in determining if someone > was still behind me proved sufficient as I re-entered on a "clean" track. > > Phew!! -I can show myself in public again. ;-) > > Jan./who's praying he didn't inadvertently shove someone else into the > fence. > =--- > John Simmons wrote... > > <snip> > > I was just severely disappointed that I was only in it > > for nine of the 80 laps, and was removed through no real > > fault of my own. > > > > My record thus far in Eldred's GP's is less than stellar. > > I ran out of gas at Zandvoort because I had the wrong setup > > loaded, and bent my suspension at the ring on lap 1 turn 1 > > (both were my fault). >

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> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:50:29 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Wasn't me John, Brett Cammack is the one you want to hit. > > Oops, my bad. I fear John and me were victims of GPL's > "one-car-behind" constraint. Besides the mirrors, I was keenly > listening for more cars, too, but apparently without sufficient > success. I was really busting my ass trying to stay clear of one and > all. I also cannot recall reentering the track abruptly, although I > can appreciate the predictive nature of on-line play could make it > appear as a such. I do recall making a less-than-casual move back > onto the track, but only to keep the wheels from being removed by the > hay bales preceding the bridge on Farm Straight.

No big, Brett. I was just vocalizing my frustration.

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> Honestly, I was shocked when I signed onto Vroc about two hours later > and saw there were still 10 laps to go! I don't believe I would've > given it a go had I realized there was a possibility of that sort of > time commitment. Man, I would've been a basket case by the halfway > point! I will definitely demiur from further such contests until I've > better got my chops up at a particular track and I can set that sort > of time aside. What do you guys use, leg urinals or something?? LOL

Don't eat or drink anything during the 24-hours immediately preceding the race, and bring a soft pillow or pad if your chair is particularly uncomfortable. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons IGPS/3 Home Page http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Andre, Read John's post again... he's talking about the Cooper who pinched his exit by re-entering the track out of Chapel and caused him to spin, not the Lotus who hit him afterwards (nowhere to go for that guy really). As I had similar incident at the time I assumed it was me, though just like Brett I wasn't aware of anyone behind when I pulled back onto the track. Turns out I was lucky and there really wasn't anyone there. Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote...

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> <snip> > Wait wait wait, are you sure?? I have to watch the > replay again when I get home then. I watched it last > night, and as I wrote in another post, I wasn't you > who rammed John, it was someone else. But not Brett, > some somebody called S. something.. > Perhaps I was mistaken, I'll get back on this one. > > Andre

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>Andre, > >Read John's post again... he's talking about the Cooper who pinched his exit >by re-entering the track out of Chapel and caused him to spin, not the Lotus >who hit him afterwards (nowhere to go for that guy really). > >As I had similar incident at the time I assumed it was me, though just like >Brett I wasn't aware of anyone behind when I pulled back onto the track. >Turns out I was lucky and there really wasn't anyone there.

Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. Andre

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> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:50:29 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've just watched the beginning of the Silverstone replay (stunning > >footage... looks just like a real race in places <g>) and as Daffy Duck > >would say : "AHA! -An imposter!!" > > > >Wasn't me John, Brett Cammack is the one you want to hit. > > Wait wait wait, are you sure?? I have to watch the replay again when I > get home then. I watched it last night, and as I wrote in another > post, I wasn't you who rammed John, it was someone else. But not > Brett, some somebody called S. something.. > Perhaps I was mistaken, I'll get back on this one.

A Lotus hit me (not really his fault, as my spin stopped squarely in the driving line), but the Cooper driver started the whole mess by pulling back onto the track as I was beginning the turn/passing him. Like I said, no big deal, I just needed to vocalize my frustration. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons IGPS/3 Home Page http://www.paddedwall.org/igps3 If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Well, it's time to lose my Ras-Virginity, gonna be my first post ever ( hmm, well second maybe).Don't go calling me a lurker now plzzz. I was in this Full-lenght GP race on Eldred's and boy did i love it, totally new expierence. The start was one like i'd never have before on Vroc races : calm, gentle and lots of respect for/of your fellow racers, i think this is because u *know* there are 80+ laps to go and have plenty of time to catch up during the race. First fews laps were a bit tricky with the occasional people running wide and braking (too) late, but after a while i settled in a good pace and was tailing the 2nd placed lotus, both doing equally fast (or slow :-) laps with full tanks. I am not a very fast driver at all, but i'd like to think of myself as being a consistent lapper, and that's what really helps in races like this. Unfortunatly i had a disco, with wich i was not happy at all, it would have been really rewarding to finish this race. Looking forward to the next GP Eldred ! Cya, Remco(with_a_R).

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> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:50:29 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Wasn't me John, Brett Cammack is the one you want to hit. > > Oops, my bad. I fear John and me were victims of GPL's > "one-car-behind" constraint. Besides the mirrors, I was keenly > listening for more cars, too, but apparently without sufficient > success. I was really busting my ass trying to stay clear of one and > all. I also cannot recall reentering the track abruptly, although I > can appreciate the predictive nature of on-line play could make it > appear as a such. I do recall making a less-than-casual move back > onto the track, but only to keep the wheels from being removed by the > hay bales preceding the bridge on Farm Straight.

When you cannot see a car behind because there is another car in between, you won't hear it either. And behind can be as little as 1 cm difference in position! This is why I made the morecars and carsbehind patches for GPL: http://www.xs4all.nl/~westrab/gpl.htm#more Another way to deal with the 1 car behind limit - in stationary situations - is press shift-v repeatedly to move your view to the cockpit of the cars that are behind you. This feature is not limited to 1 car behind, rather it moves the focus. Beware that when cars are passing each other when you hit shift-v, 1 car may be missed. When you have determined that no cars are around, press control-v to return to your own car and hit the road again. Bart Westra

In article <[email hidden]>, Remco Rohde <[email hidden]> writes: >Unfortunatly i had a disco, with wich i was not happy at all, it would >have >been really rewarding to finish this race. >Looking forward to the next GP Eldred ! I haven't decided when I'm going to run another one... The holiday time was good because all(most) of the leagues were on break. When they restart, I'm not sure of a good time for everyone to be able to participate. Someone suggested Friday evenings, but that would have the Europeans racing at midnight or later... Suggestions? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Here's my suggestion, for what it's worth: -Pro damage (i.e. no Shift+R) -Half-GP length (i.e. 1 hour or so) -Mexico, Silverstone, or Zandvoort (tracks with some passing room) -Sunday 6AM PST (-8GMT). This time seems to work for VROC-F2, and Sunday ensures we don't conflict with their regular Saturday race. Friday evenings (EST) don't work too well for us West Coasters who are still at work at that time (: I'm suggesting half-GP distance in an attempt to get more than a couple of finishers on the lead lap. However, based on my vast experience of 20 laps in one Eldred GP race, I think the general "it's a long race and I don't want to screw anybody up" attitude is something worth preserving. So it needs to be a long race with full damage. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Remco Rohde > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Unfortunatly i had a disco, with wich i was not happy at all, it would > >have > >been really rewarding to finish this race. > >Looking forward to the next GP Eldred ! > > I haven't decided when I'm going to run another one... The holiday time

was > good because all(most) of the leagues were on break. When they restart,I'm > not sure of a good time for everyone to be able to participate. Someone > suggested Friday evenings, but that would have the Europeans racing atmidnight

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> or later... > Suggestions? > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I haven't decided when I'm going to run another one... The holiday timewas > good because all(most) of the leagues were on break. When they restart,I'm > not sure of a good time for everyone to be able to participate. Someone > suggested Friday evenings, but that would have the Europeans racing atmidnight > or later... > Suggestions? > Eldred midnights are fine by me, I'm at my best there anyway..... and the girlfriend has already been put to bed ;) Mikkel

> >midnights are fine by me, I'm at my best there anyway..... and the >girlfriend has already been put to bed ;) >Mikkel > But would you have any *energy* left AFTER that...? :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 03 Jan 2001 20:50:04 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >I haven't decided when I'm going to run another one... The holiday time was >good because all(most) of the leagues were on break. When they restart, I'm >not sure of a good time for everyone to be able to participate. Someone >suggested Friday evenings, but that would have the Europeans racing at midnight >or later...So? :) >Suggestions? On a saturday or sunday, around 3CET? Then it's evening here in Europe.. Andre >Eldred

So? :) On a saturday or sunday, around 3CET? Then it's evening here in Europe.. Andre

Have to disagree with the race settings... half a GP with Pro Damage is not a GP. I believe in raising my game when the going gets tough, not in reducing the challenge. Besides, at half distance at Silverstone I was only 10th or something... <g>. I also believe each track presents it's own unique challenge and so I feel any track is a possible GP track. I do like the timeslot though... 3pm my time on Sunday would be very convenient, for me. Don't know about people on both sides of the atlantic with families and/or kids in team sports though. Jan. =--- Rob wrote...

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> Here's my suggestion, for what it's worth: > > -Pro damage (i.e. no Shift+R) > -Half-GP length (i.e. 1 hour or so) > -Mexico, Silverstone, or Zandvoort (tracks with > some passing room) > -Sunday 6AM PST (-8GMT). This time seems to work > for VROC-F2, and Sunday ensures we don't conflict > with their regular Saturday race. Friday evenings > (EST) don't work too well for us West Coasters who > are still at work at that time (: > > I'm suggesting half-GP distance in an attempt <snip>

Did you get my mail Eldred? MS EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Remco Rohde > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Unfortunatly i had a disco, with wich i was not happy at all, it would > >have > >been really rewarding to finish this race. > >Looking forward to the next GP Eldred ! > > I haven't decided when I'm going to run another one... The holiday time

was > good because all(most) of the leagues were on break. When they restart,I'm > not sure of a good time for everyone to be able to participate. Someone > suggested Friday evenings, but that would have the Europeans racing atmidnight

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> or later... > Suggestions? > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <GLQ46.9146$[email hidden]>, "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> writes: >Did you get my mail Eldred? > Hang on, let me check... :::flipping through mail:::: "Hmm...bills, Christmas card from mom, personal invite for a weekend from Halle Berry..." Nope, not here...sorry. Eldred - wondering how Halle got my address.... -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Have to disagree with the race settings... half a GP with Pro Damage is not >a GP. I believe in raising my game when the going gets tough, not in >reducing the challenge. Besides, at half distance at Silverstone I was only >10th or something... <g>. > >I also believe each track presents it's own unique challenge and so I feel >any track is a possible GP track. > >I do like the timeslot though... 3pm my time on Sunday would be very >convenient, for me. Don't know about people on both sides of the atlantic >with families and/or kids in team sports though. >

I can't *imagine* West coasters getting up to run an online race at 6am(on a SUNDAY)... I have a hard enough time believing *I* get up at 7:30am on sundays to watch the GP's on Speedvision...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I get up at 6AM on Sat to race vroc-f2, then go back to bed :) "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Have to disagree with the race settings... half a GP with Pro Damage isnot > >a GP. I believe in raising my game when the going gets tough, not in > >reducing the challenge. Besides, at half distance at Silverstone I wasonly > >10th or something... <g>. > > > >I also believe each track presents it's own unique challenge and so Ifeel

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> >any track is a possible GP track. > > > >I do like the timeslot though... 3pm my time on Sunday would be very > >convenient, for me. Don't know about people on both sides of the atlantic > >with families and/or kids in team sports though. > > > > I can't *imagine* West coasters getting up to run an online race at 6am(on

a > SUNDAY)... I have a hard enough time believing *I* get up at 7:30am onsundays

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> to watch the GP's on Speedvision...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 04 Jan 2001 05:03:56 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Eldred - wondering how Halle got my address.... Damn celebrities, lurking in newsgroups and stalking unsuspecting community members ... I hope you can fend her off! :) Jan

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> > > >midnights are fine by me, I'm at my best there anyway..... and the > >girlfriend has already been put to bed ;) > >Mikkel > > > > But would you have any *energy* left AFTER that...? :) > > Eldred

Possibly not, but that might just make me a better driver for the looong haul of a full GP... no urgent desires distracting me ;) -- Mikkel http://www.simracing.dk

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> On 04 Jan 2001 05:03:56 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >Eldred - wondering how Halle got my address.... > > Damn celebrities, lurking in newsgroups and stalking unsuspecting > community members ... I hope you can fend her off! :) > > Jan

If you see her driving the big white Suburban, get off the sidewalk, FAST! dave henrie

In article <[email hidden]>, Jan Loebzien <[email hidden]> writes: >On 04 Jan 2001 05:03:56 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>Eldred - wondering how Halle got my address.... > >Damn celebrities, lurking in newsgroups and stalking unsuspecting >community members ... I hope you can fend her off! :) I'll do my best...yeah, RIGHT. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes:

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>On 03 Jan 2001 20:50:04 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>I haven't decided when I'm going to run another one... The holiday time was >>good because all(most) of the leagues were on break. When they restart, I'm >>not sure of a good time for everyone to be able to participate. Someone >>suggested Friday evenings, but that would have the Europeans racing at >midnight >>or later... >So? :) > >>Suggestions? > >On a saturday or sunday, around 3CET? Then it's evening here in >Europe..

Shoot - damn time zones...3CET would be...?EST....? :::looks for TZ conversions::: Ok, 3pm CET would be 9am EST. Yeah, that's possible. Sunday, probably. I'm in a league that races at about 12:30 Saturday, so I wouldn't want to run a full race before that...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <hZT46.68338$[email hidden]>, "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> writes: >I get up at 6AM on Sat to race vroc-f2, then go back to bed :) I would think you'd be too keyed up after the race to sleep...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:22:31 +0100, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Another way to deal with the 1 car behind limit - in stationary situations - >is press shift-v repeatedly to move your view to the cockpit of the cars >that are behind you. This feature is not limited to 1 car behind, rather it >moves the focus. Beware that when cars are passing each other when you hit >shift-v, 1 car may be missed. When you have determined that no cars are >around, press control-v to return to your own car and hit the road again. I wasn't aware of that. It sounds useful, but I must admit I've actually f****d up doing Shift-R, so it may be too complicated to attempt in the heat of battle. <g> I'd also be afraid that I'd take too long and get punted from the race for being motionless... I will have to try this in some meaningless pickup race just for the sake of experimentation. Thanks for the tip! Regards, Brett C. Cammack brettDOTcammack@worldnetDOTattDOTnet (remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

"Brett C. Cammack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:22:31 +0100, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >Another way to deal with the 1 car behind limit - in stationarysituations - > >is press shift-v repeatedly to move your view to the cockpit of the cars > >that are behind you. This feature is not limited to 1 car behind, ratherit > >moves the focus. Beware that when cars are passing each other when youhit

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> >shift-v, 1 car may be missed. When you have determined that no cars are > >around, press control-v to return to your own car and hit the road again. > > I wasn't aware of that. It sounds useful, but I must admit I've > actually f****d up doing Shift-R, so it may be too complicated to > attempt in the heat of battle. <g> I'd also be afraid that I'd take > too long and get punted from the race for being motionless... > > I will have to try this in some meaningless pickup race just for the > sake of experimentation. Thanks for the tip! >

You won't need so much time since usually only a few cars will be closeby. A good way to start is using this technique to see if you can safely exit the pits in qualifying. Bart Westra

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:22:42 +0100, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote: >You won't need so much time since usually only a few cars will be closeby. A >good way to start is using this technique to see if you can safely exit the >pits in qualifying. Thanks! Regards, Brett C. Cammack brettDOTcammack@worldnetDOTattDOTnet (remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

Thanks! Regards, Brett C. Cammack (remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)