I'm watching the rally 'recap' on Speedvision. I can't *believe* the
spectators line up right NEXT to the road. I even saw people sitting ON the
outside guardrail on several turns... WTF? Stupid...
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EldredP was astonished by rally fans lining the roads on a Speedvision recap. Others shared stories of spectators being hit, cancelled stages, and Colin McRae striking a fan in New Zealand, and noted that US rallies keep spectators back because of liability concerns.
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I've heard of people reaching out and touching the cars
as they go by. (I imagine it's very annoying for the crew
to have to remove body parts from the car after
that kind of event...)
EldredP wrote:
No kidding ;)
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> I'm watching the rally 'recap' on Speedvision. I can't *believe* the > spectators line up right NEXT to the road. I even saw people sitting ON the > outside guardrail on several turns... WTF? Stupid... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience...I personally liked the fans who were in the road as the cars came to them,
got out of the way, and then ran after them when they passed. Truly crazy
people.
-Pav
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> I'm watching the rally 'recap' on Speedvision. I can't *believe* the > spectators line up right NEXT to the road. I even saw people sitting ON the > outside guardrail on several turns... WTF? Stupid... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >
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> I'm watching the rally 'recap' on Speedvision. I can't *believe* the
> spectators line up right NEXT to the road. I even saw people sitting ONthe
> outside guardrail on several turns... WTF? Stupid...
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> Eldred
Head up to Pikes Peak sometime, the combination of alcohol and the high
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The Speedvison Rally show today was great. I always wanted to know what a
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> I personally liked the fans who were in the road as the cars came to them, > got out of the way, and then ran after them when they passed. Truly crazy > people. > > -Pav > > On 1 Jan 2001, EldredP wrote: > > > I'm watching the rally 'recap' on Speedvision. I can't *believe* the > > spectators line up right NEXT to the road. I even saw people sitting ONQuoted text (9 lines)
> > outside guardrail on several turns... WTF? Stupid... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats>"Matthew V. Jessick" <[email hidden]> wrote
> I've heard of people reaching out and touching the cars
> as they go by. (I imagine it's very annoying for the crew
> to have to remove body parts from the car after
> that kind of event...)
Considering those Rally drivers are insane themselves, I guess they just
plow through the field without caring much for a random spectator that think
he's cool being that close to a race car flying-by.
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I saw an mpeg of a rally car sliding off the wet road into a small crowd,
flipping over and doing quite a lot of damage to folks. I don't recommend
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I was thinking the same thing while watching today. That's why it isn't too
uncommon for rally spectators to be inured or killed. I'm pretty sure that
in the history of rally racing, more spectators have been killed than
drivers. Did you notice that some of the legs had to be canceled because of
the spectators?
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"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I'm watching the rally 'recap' on Speedvision. I can't *believe* the
> spectators line up right NEXT to the road. I even saw people sitting ON
the
> outside guardrail on several turns... WTF? Stupid...
>
> Eldred
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 04:53:20 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>Considering those Rally drivers are insane themselves, I guess they just
>plow through the field without caring much for a random spectator that think
>he's cool being that close to a race car flying-by.
I remember McRae saying in the 99 season that he COULD drive faster,
but that he didn't dare to drive faster because of the audience
standing allmost on the track at the corners.
Or perhaps this was just a bad excuse from him :)
Andre
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> >-- > >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >-- May the Downforce be with you... >-- http://www.ymenard.com/ >-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 05:51:54 GMT, "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>I was thinking the same thing while watching today. That's why it isn't too
>uncommon for rally spectators to be inured or killed.
Well, "common", I don't know about that. The total number of killed is
probably not up to one particular circuit racing event's('56 Le Mans).
>I'm pretty sure that
>in the history of rally racing, more spectators have been killed than
>drivers.
Nope. Here in Sweden, we had our first spectator fatality ever past
fall. It was truly a freak accident though, as the spectators stood in
a safe area behind two trees. But the car got airborn in an "unusual"
fashion and got between the two trees sideways reaching the two
onlookers.
Something similar happened in GB a year or two ago. In northern Europe
this isn't a big problem.
*However*, in the mediterranean countries this is a HUGE problem
though, most notably in portugal. I don't know what the problem is,
but maybe it brings out the matador in every portoguese? :-) Btw, this
was a huge problem on the Targa Florio as well. Must be a cultural
thing or something.
Rally drivers are not lunatics either, and it has happened more than
once that they have refused to start on crowded stages.
>Did you notice that some of the legs had to be canceled because of
>the spectators?
Happens every year.
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>*However*, in the mediterranean countries this is a HUGE problem
>though, most notably in portugal. I don't know what the problem is,
>but maybe it brings out the matador in every portoguese? :-) Btw, this
>was a huge problem on the Targa Florio as well. Must be a cultural
>thing or something.
>
Damn, second thread I've been pulled into in a week. I hope I still qualify as
a "lurker".
Anyways, as it pertains to Portugal, one very odd side note is that Portugal
has one of the highest traffic fatality rates on Earth. Perhaps their suicidal
driving technique gets ported over into their enthusiasm of the sport. :)
-
Alan
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> *However*, in the mediterranean countries this is a HUGE problem > though, most notably in portugal. I don't know what the problem is, > but maybe it brings out the matador in every portoguese? :-) Btw, this > was a huge problem on the Targa Florio as well. Must be a cultural > thing or something. > > Rally drivers are not lunatics either, and it has happened more than > once that they have refused to start on crowded stages. > > >Did you notice that some of the legs had to be canceled because of > >the spectators? > > Happens every year. >Just remember Frank.. thats probably why Rally isn't as popular in the
States. Lawyers and Insurance! The sanctioning bodies could never allow
it.
The first time one of the moron spectactor got a pebble in the eye... he
would be filing a $250,000,000 lawsuit.
Scott
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> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
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> >"Matthew V. Jessick" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I've heard of people reaching out and touching the cars > > as they go by. (I imagine it's very annoying for the crew > > to have to remove body parts from the car after > > that kind of event...) > > > Considering those Rally drivers are insane themselves, I guess they just > plow through the field without caring much for a random spectator thatQuoted text (11 lines)
> he's cool being that close to a race car flying-by. > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't<sarcasm>Oh no, no, it's ok, they are professional Rally and are so
brilliant, that they can win rallies by staying out of the spectators way!
</sarcasm>
<sarcasm>Oh, it the Rally driver hit the fan, it must have been the drivers
fault</sarcasm>
The drivers are great to be able to deal with it and for there to be so few
accidents when it is so easy to wipe out 20 people at 1 corner.
Some fans are crazy though, stupid too...
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> I'm watching the rally 'recap' on Speedvision. I can't *believe* the
> spectators line up right NEXT to the road. I even saw people sitting ONthe
you
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> outside guardrail on several turns... WTF? Stupid... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 04:53:20 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
> >Considering those Rally drivers are insane themselves, I guess they just
> >plow through the field without caring much for a random spectator thatthink
A Rally round p of the WRC season was on Eurosport a few days ago. While
watching a lot of the time on a lot of rallies, spectators were filling the
track, ducking out of the way as the car comes and then quickly fill the
track again, madness!
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> >he's cool being that close to a race car flying-by. > > I remember McRae saying in the 99 season that he COULD drive faster, > but that he didn't dare to drive faster because of the audience > standing allmost on the track at the corners. > Or perhaps this was just a bad excuse from him :) >Fans in southern Europe (Portuguese, Italians and Greeks) are without doubt
the craziest , standing in the middle of the road just after a jump for
example. Mind you , Fangio used to hate the Mille Miglia for the same reason
so it's not limited to rallying alone . Moss said he used to play with the
steering wheel to make the fans think he'd lost control . Didn't do him any
harm when he won it in '55
Andrew
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> Anyways, as it pertains to Portugal, one very odd side note is thatPortugal
> has one of the highest traffic fatality rates on Earth. Perhaps theirsuicidal
> driving technique gets ported over into their enthusiasm of the sport. :)
>
> -
> Alan
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> >*However*, in the mediterranean countries this is a HUGE problem > >though, most notably in portugal. I don't know what the problem is, > >but maybe it brings out the matador in every portoguese? :-) Btw, this > >was a huge problem on the Targa Florio as well. Must be a cultural > >thing or something. > > > > Damn, second thread I've been pulled into in a week. I hope I still
Andre Warringa wrote:
A valid excuse, since in the '98 New Zealand rally he mowed down an
idiot
spectator who thought he could get a good picture from the apex of a
corner
that McRae was cut by a huge amount. The spectator got himself a broken
leg, damn lucky not to get any worse!
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> > On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 04:53:20 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Considering those Rally drivers are insane themselves, I guess they just > >plow through the field without caring much for a random spectator that think > >he's cool being that close to a race car flying-by. > > I remember McRae saying in the 99 season that he COULD drive faster, > but that he didn't dare to drive faster because of the audience > standing allmost on the track at the corners. > Or perhaps this was just a bad excuse from him :) >On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 01:40:33 GMT, Grant Reeve
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>A valid excuse, since in the '98 New Zealand rally he mowed down an
>idiot
>spectator who thought he could get a good picture from the apex of a
>corner
>that McRae was cut by a huge amount. The spectator got himself a broken
>leg, damn lucky not to get any worse!
I didn't knew that.. I can't have the least bit of mercy for that
spectator..
Andre
Buy the 98 review, all of a sudden McRae comes around a corner and you see a
guy do a big flip and a piece of McRae's car falls off. He clipped the guys
right leg and he flipped SO FAST.
Thanks,
Alex
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> On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 01:40:33 GMT, Grant Reeve > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >A valid excuse, since in the '98 New Zealand rally he mowed down an > >idiot > >spectator who thought he could get a good picture from the apex of a > >corner > >that McRae was cut by a huge amount. The spectator got himself a broken > >leg, damn lucky not to get any worse! > > I didn't knew that.. I can't have the least bit of mercy for that > spectator.. > > AndreI've been watching rallying since I was born since my dad is from Kenya, so
it almost doesn't seem crazy anymore, and I'm American! Anyways, if you go
to any rallies here in the US, the spectators stand in safe spots (not in
run-off areas) and few feet from the road because of sue happy people here.
Anyways, there's nothing more thrilling than a rally car sliding past your
toes at 100mph!
Thanks,
Alex
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> spectators line up right NEXT to the road. I even saw people sitting ONthe
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> outside guardrail on several turns... WTF? Stupid... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beatsI stood next to the fence at an Indy car race...the power of those cars
flying by was unbelievable. Can't imagine standing next to the cars at a
rally, must be one helluva rush.
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> I've been watching rallying since I was born since my dad is from Kenya,so
> it almost doesn't seem crazy anymore, and I'm American! Anyways, if you go
> to any rallies here in the US, the spectators stand in safe spots (not in
> run-off areas) and few feet from the road because of sue happy peoplehere.
