GPL driving question

Hi all, Can anybody give me any suggestions, about how to learn to slide the car around the corners? I mean I understand the theory, but I can't make it in practice and after two days of trying I don't feel I go anywhere. I tried at Monza, and analyzing tools shows that everybody is faster than me out of the corners, because my car is much less straight and I can't accelerate as early. If I try to make a good exit I have to slow down too much in the corner. Is there any methods to learn it step-by-step? Thanks in advance, Alex. (alexti).

You may want to try learning to slide controllably on some of the converted oval tracks. They will teach you the feeling of the 4 wheel drift and trail braking techniques. "Alex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi all, > > Can anybody give me any suggestions, about > how to learn to slide the car around the corners? > > I mean I understand the theory, but I can't make it > in practice and after two days of trying I don't > feel I go anywhere. I tried at Monza, and analyzing > tools shows that everybody is faster than me out of the > corners, because my car is much less straight and I > can't accelerate as early. If I try to make a good > exit I have to slow down too much in the corner. > > Is there any methods to learn it step-by-step? > > Thanks in advance, > Alex. > > (alexti).

>Can anybody give me any suggestions, about >how to learn to slide the car around the corners? >First, realize that sliding can be a good way of entering the corner fast, but exiting it smoothly will generally be faster.

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>I mean I understand the theory, but I can't make it >in practice and after two days of trying I don't >feel I go anywhere. I tried at Monza, and analyzing >tools shows that everybody is faster than me out of the >corners, because my car is much less straight and I >can't accelerate as early. If I try to make a good >exit I have to slow down too much in the corner. >

I assume you're using GPL Replay Analyzer. You should be able to come off the corner and accelerate with others by driving smoothly, even if you're a little slower in the first half of the curve. If not, you need to work on your line and being smooth first. >Is there any methods to learn it step-by-step? >Try a very long constant radius corner corner that lets you work the car for a long time. Your goal is to enter fast without going off line and then have the tires howling slightly and consistently all the way through. The corners before the straight at Kylami and Mexico are good. Monza is relatively easy and not a good place to learn driving techniques. Rouen is good. Silverstone is decent. Zandvoort and Mosport are the best, but the varying radii and hills make the lessons less clear. You learn more easily on a tough track where you're farther behind and making big mistakes than when you're close to a good time at Monza. Then you go back to Monza and use what you've learned. >Thanks in advance, >Alex. > >(alexti).

"Alex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi all, > > Can anybody give me any suggestions, about > how to learn to slide the car around the corners? > In addition to the other good suggestions here I'd say that the car makes a difference. I've been driving the Lotus lately with G. Huttu's setups (and my own) and couldn't get the car to safely slide at all. When it did slide it would snap back wickedly and then start a bit of a tank-slapper and usually crash. I switched to a Ferrari a few days ago (with GH's setups) and knocked 30 sec off my Ring time. One thing I noticed is that after one or two laps to get used to the car I can now get the rear end out and then correct it without too much drama. Have you ever seen 500cc GP motorcycle racing? They have this technique of braking that makes the rear step out then they almost slide into the corner and accelerate out. That's how I'm doing it currently. I'm sure it's not the fastest way but I'm getting used to letting the car slide. SB. -- -------------------------------------------- return email invalid reply to me in this newsgroup

Alex, I assume the reason you want to slide it through the corners is to go quickly? Yes, to go really fast you do tend to need to be sliding throughout much of the corner entry phase. However, to go quickly you need to be doing the other 95% of the stuff right and by doing this right, consistently you will gradually enter corners quicker and be sliding even without noticing you are doing so. Regular r.a.s. readers will know I created a small package a few months ago which I called GPLEGS (short for GPL examples). It has a number of text files and some example replays of how to drive quickly in GPL, in fact the techniques discussed are what would be taught at a race driver school (I was an instructor with Jim Russell school for many years). If you'd like to receive the package, just send an email to mailto:[email hidden] and i'll send it to you. Same goes for any new r.a.s. readers who are interested. Maxx On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 04:03:26 GMT, [email hidden] (Alex) wrote:

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>Hi all, > >Can anybody give me any suggestions, about >how to learn to slide the car around the corners? > >I mean I understand the theory, but I can't make it >in practice and after two days of trying I don't >feel I go anywhere. I tried at Monza, and analyzing >tools shows that everybody is faster than me out of the >corners, because my car is much less straight and I >can't accelerate as early. If I try to make a good >exit I have to slow down too much in the corner. > >Is there any methods to learn it step-by-step? > >Thanks in advance, >Alex. > >(alexti).

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>>I mean I understand the theory, but I can't make it >>in practice and after two days of trying I don't >>feel I go anywhere. I tried at Monza, and analyzing >>tools shows that everybody is faster than me out of the >>corners, because my car is much less straight and I >>can't accelerate as early. If I try to make a good >>exit I have to slow down too much in the corner. >> >I assume you're using GPL Replay Analyzer. You should be able to come >off the corner and accelerate with others by driving smoothly, even if >you're a little slower in the first half of the curve. If not, you >need to work on your line and being smooth first.

Yes, I can do it, but then I have already lost time by going slower at the entry.

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>>Is there any methods to learn it step-by-step? >> >Try a very long constant radius corner corner that lets you work the >car for a long time. Your goal is to enter fast without going off >line and then have the tires howling slightly and consistently all the >way through. The corners before the straight at Kylami and Mexico are >good.

They are both sort of banked, and the technique needed to exit them properly is different (in particular you will likely to oversteer at the exit in those corners instead of understeering in regular ones)

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>Monza is relatively easy and not a good place to learn driving >techniques. Rouen is good. Silverstone is decent. Zandvoort and >Mosport are the best, but the varying radii and hills make the lessons >less clear. You learn more easily on a tough track where you're >farther behind and making big mistakes than when you're close to a >good time at Monza. Then you go back to Monza and use what you've >learned.

I don't agree that Monza is easy, it may be easy to drive around, but my inability to slide the car kills my times there. In contrary, at Mosport one can make pretty fast lap without really sliding the car, so it makes relatively small difference. Zandvoort is more about the correct line. Maybe I should try Rouen and Silverstone. Alex. (alexti).

On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 14:27:52 GMT, [email hidden] (Alex) wrote: >I don't agree that Monza is easy, it may be easy to drive around, >but my inability to slide the car kills my times there. In contrary, >at Mosport one can make pretty fast lap without really sliding the car, >so it makes relatively small difference. Zandvoort is more >about the correct line. Maybe I should try Rouen and Silverstone. Alex, I'm a little confused and perplexed here. Could you give us some idea of your times at Monza and Mosport. These are relevant, as it gives us some idea of what amount of time you are losing/trying to gain by "sliding". Generally, sliding on the exit of a corner greater than 90deg or even less is not fast. Tire squeal on entry is fine, but on exit, needs to be at a minumum (just enough to let you know you are going fast enough). It's been said lots of times before, but the key to a fast lap at Monza is quick exits from Lesmo2 and Parabolica. At Lesmo2, you shouldn't relaly have any tire squal on exit IMO, but you SHOULD be able to get onto 80%+ power by the apex. Similarly the exit of parabolica, not tire-squeal here, is usually best to short-shift (change up early) so you don't get any wheelspin) Unless you are within a second of the WR, don't compare your driving style to the WR style. You have to drive differently to get a 1:26 than you do a 1:27, 1:28, 1:29 or a 1:30 (it's all a matter of progression). As for Mosport and Zandvoort, lots of sliding going on at both tracks for me and I can't imagine a fast lap without it. As you say though LINE is the key, but it's the key to EVERY track. Maxx

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>On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 14:27:52 GMT, [email hidden] >(Alex) wrote: > >>I don't agree that Monza is easy, it may be easy to drive around, >>but my inability to slide the car kills my times there. In contrary, >>at Mosport one can make pretty fast lap without really sliding the car, >>so it makes relatively small difference. Zandvoort is more >>about the correct line. Maybe I should try Rouen and Silverstone. > >Alex, > >I'm a little confused and perplexed here. Could you give us some idea >of your times at Monza and Mosport. These are relevant, as it gives us >some idea of what amount of time you are losing/trying to gain by >"sliding".

PB at Monza is 1:28.60, normal laps are high 1:28 to high 1:29. At Mosport PB is 1:22.34, normals laps up to mid 1:23, though I didn't run much there. I was judging my relative speed using GPLRank. At Monza I am in 7th hundred, at Silverstone - in 6th, while at Mosport and Nurburgring - in 3rd hundred. Clearly something is wrong with my driving. >Generally, sliding on the exit of a corner greater than 90deg or even >less is not fast. Tire squeal on entry is fine, but on exit, needs to >be at a minumum (just enough to let you know you are going fast >enough).Actually I am trying to slide at the entry by turning a bit earlier, to make it slide a bit and then try to make it around the apex by giving some throttle, so I can get straighter exit line and carry a bit more speed at the apex.

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>It's been said lots of times before, but the key to a fast lap at >Monza is quick exits from Lesmo2 and Parabolica. > >At Lesmo2, you shouldn't relaly have any tire squal on exit IMO, >but you SHOULD be able to get onto 80%+ power by the apex. > >Similarly the exit of parabolica, not tire-squeal here, is usually >best to short-shift (change up early) so you don't get any wheelspin)

The second phase of the exit seems to be pretty easy, but I have problems right after I finished braking. If I do it precisely (sort of trying to conserve tires ;>) I go a bit slow around the apex, because it is still too early to accelerate. It feels right to kick the back a bit before the apex to be able to get back on the throttle earlier, though I can't make it just right <snip> Alex (alexti)

On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:45:45 GMT, [email hidden] (Alex) wrote: Alex, >PB at Monza is 1:28.60, normal laps are high 1:28 to high 1:29. >At Mosport PB is 1:22.34, normals laps up to mid 1:23, though >I didn't run much there. Thanks for the info .. more later >I was judging my relative speed using GPLRank. At Monza I am >in 7th hundred, at Silverstone - in 6th, while at Mosport and >Nurburgring - in 3rd hundred. Clearly something is wrong >with my driving. I wouldn't say so, or at least not based on the above. 2 things spring to mind. The first and most relevant is that Monza is IMO the most practiced and raced track there is. I have seen people well into the 1:28s who are nowhere near Papy times at other tracks. Even without "knowing" anything about technique, if you go round and round enough times you will get fairly fast adn be able to pop one of those lucky laps in. The second is slightly related to the first, as it is the most raced track, many GPLRank times will be from races and it is quite possible for lots of those times to be slipstream assisted. I've never set a PB in a race there myself but I have got a significant speed boost running behind someone, then passing into Parabolica. It's not going to turn a 1:29 guy into a 1:28 but it may move a 1:28.7 into a 1:28.4 etc. Instead of looking at GPLRanking, check your time as a percentage of the WR time, adn see how it compares to your others. At 1:28.60 you are doing a lot right, I think another .50 could come from just having the confidence when going into L2 to get on the power just that little bit earlier.

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>>Generally, sliding on the exit of a corner greater than 90deg or even >>less is not fast. Tire squeal on entry is fine, but on exit, needs to >>be at a minumum (just enough to let you know you are going fast >>enough). >Actually I am trying to slide at the entry by turning a bit earlier, >to make it slide a bit and then try to make it around the apex by >giving some throttle, so I can get straighter exit line and carry a >bit more speed at the apex.

I think it was your phrase "trying to slide" that got me to write in the first place and i'm still not sure you are approaching it from the correct viewpoint. Sliding is never something to aim for, it's a consequence of going fast and as such I find I am not aware of sliding except for the audible feedback from the tires. I had an interesting race the other day where my sound went completely. I managed 4-5 laps, about 1sec away from what I think I could do with sound but ended up blowing the engine. Anyway, I'd not concentrate on trying to slide, just on getting through the corner as quick as possible under control so that when you exit the corner you are fully balanced and can get on the power that little bit earlier.

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>>It's been said lots of times before, but the key to a fast lap at >>Monza is quick exits from Lesmo2 and Parabolica. >> >>At Lesmo2, you shouldn't relaly have any tire squal on exit IMO, >>but you SHOULD be able to get onto 80%+ power by the apex. >> >>Similarly the exit of parabolica, not tire-squeal here, is usually >>best to short-shift (change up early) so you don't get any wheelspin) >The second phase of the exit seems to be pretty easy, but I have >problems right after I finished braking. If I do it precisely >(sort of trying to conserve tires ;>) I go a bit slow around the apex, >because it is still too early to accelerate. It feels right to >kick the back a bit before the apex to be able to get back on the >throttle earlier, though I can't make it just right

It is very difficult, I think most drivers know what to do here but for some reason it often doesn't turn out right. It is difficult to go from far left (as you should be), to the apex in such a way as the car is then fairly well balanced to get the power on. Also, that outside hedge is looming and "tends" to intimidate us from taking any major risk. I have your mail but my ISPs Mail System is up the creek at the moment, will get back to you later. Cheers Maxx

What Maxx sed. Well, maybe half and half. Zandvoort demands a lot of sliding around, but you daren't put a wheel off. Mosport seems to favor a more precise line around its sinuous twists & turns, and, like Zandy, you want to be very neat & tidy on the exits. Like Maxx said. --Steve Smith ("No Aliens") Maxx <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 14:27:52 GMT, [email hidden] > (Alex) wrote: > > >I don't agree that Monza is easy, it may be easy to drive around, > >but my inability to slide the car kills my times there. In contrary, > >at Mosport one can make pretty fast lap without really sliding the car, > >so it makes relatively small difference. Zandvoort is more > >about the correct line. Maybe I should try Rouen and Silverstone. > > Alex, > > I'm a little confused and perplexed here. Could you give us some idea > of your times at Monza and Mosport. These are relevant, as it gives us > some idea of what amount of time you are losing/trying to gain by > "sliding". > > Generally, sliding on the exit of a corner greater than 90deg or even > less is not fast. Tire squeal on entry is fine, but on exit, needs to > be at a minumum (just enough to let you know you are going fast > enough). > > It's been said lots of times before, but the key to a fast lap at > Monza is quick exits from Lesmo2 and Parabolica. > > At Lesmo2, you shouldn't relaly have any tire squal on exit IMO, > but you SHOULD be able to get onto 80%+ power by the apex. > > Similarly the exit of parabolica, not tire-squeal here, is usually > best to short-shift (change up early) so you don't get any wheelspin) > > Unless you are within a second of the WR, don't compare your > driving style to the WR style. You have to drive differently to get > a 1:26 than you do a 1:27, 1:28, 1:29 or a 1:30 (it's all a matter > of progression). > > As for Mosport and Zandvoort, lots of sliding going on at both > tracks for me and I can't imagine a fast lap without it. > > As you say though LINE is the key, but it's the key to EVERY > track. > > Maxx

> Actually I am trying to slide at the entry by turning a bit earlier, > to make it slide a bit and then try to make it around the apex by > giving some throttle, so I can get straighter exit line and carry a > bit more speed at the apex. Try Colin McRae 2, it'll suit your technique perfectly ;-) /Carl (GPL Hcp 400 something...)

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> PB at Monza is 1:28.60, normal laps are high 1:28 to high 1:29. > At Mosport PB is 1:22.34, normals laps up to mid 1:23, though > I didn't run much there. > > I was judging my relative speed using GPLRank. At Monza I am > in 7th hundred, at Silverstone - in 6th, while at Mosport and > Nurburgring - in 3rd hundred. Clearly something is wrong > with my driving. >

Alex, I looked at your laptimes compared to mine, and your rank of -13.13 is not what I would call "bad". You're ranked no. 370 of all drivers which is also good in my book. As for something being wrong with your driving I would hazard the guess that you could use some more practice. That's what "my" coach [1] always tells me. :-) You have to decide whether you are going for Hotlaps or Racing. These are related but different disciplines. Some outstanding drivers excel at both but they are not all that common. If racing is to your liking, try to stay away from the Monza Mayhems and do the Longer races. Usually a much better crowd. If you look at the three recent Grand Prix run by Eldred [2] you will see that they were won by drivers at ranks 802, 694, and 344. Jan Verschueren (GPLRank 13.12, no. 694) placed 2nd, 1st, and 2nd. Would you call him a bad driver after doing so well in 2+ hour races? Actually what you could do to improve your driving is getting a more structured practice by setting different goals for the session. One example could be to complete 20 laps without a single mishap. Tougher than you might think especially if you had to have no more than 2 laps worse that PB+2 secs. Just an idea. Cheers, Jens [1] He's very good but quite expensive. So far I've paid him compliments and respect, but I'm running a bit low on kind words to accurately describe the way he has improved my driving. :-) [2] You are actually not allowed to describe a Rank below zero as anything but outstanding, undeserved, and lucky. Transgression could be punished by "The Sigh of St. Eldred". ;-) (Don't even think about going negative in less than a year!)

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>Alex wrote: > >> PB at Monza is 1:28.60, normal laps are high 1:28 to high 1:29. >> At Mosport PB is 1:22.34, normals laps up to mid 1:23, though >> I didn't run much there. >> >> I was judging my relative speed using GPLRank. At Monza I am >> in 7th hundred, at Silverstone - in 6th, while at Mosport and >> Nurburgring - in 3rd hundred. Clearly something is wrong >> with my driving. >> >Alex, > >I looked at your laptimes compared to mine, and your rank of -13.13 is >not what I would call "bad". You're ranked no. 370 of all drivers which >is also good in my book. As for something being wrong with your driving >I would hazard the guess that you could use some more practice. That's >what "my" coach [1] always tells me. :-)

Thank you. I just meant that on certain tracks my times are much worse than they could be. >You have to decide whether you are going for Hotlaps or Racing. These >are related but different disciplines. Some outstanding drivers excel at >both but they are not all that common. If racing is to your liking, try >to stay away from the Monza Mayhems and do the Longer races. Usually a >much better crowd.I plan to start to do racing when I learned tracks a bit better and after I got some practice with AI (they don't mind being taken off the race by some rookie ;>) I don't really go for hotlapping either, I am just trying to improve my performance on different tracks. Accidentally, most of my PB laps happened when I was practicing certain corners and not when I went for the hotlap. >If you look at the three recent Grand Prix run by Eldred [2] you will >see that they were won by drivers at ranks 802, 694, and 344. Jan >Verschueren (GPLRank 13.12, no. 694) placed 2nd, 1st, and 2nd. Would you >call him a bad driver after doing so well in 2+ hour races?I admire those guys who can stay in the race for 2 hours. I am not likely to survive that long. I would like to join those races, but I want to make sure first that I can drive in the traffic without wrecking havoc. >Actually what you could do to improve your driving is getting a more >structured practice by setting different goals for the session. One >example could be to complete 20 laps without a single mishap. Tougher >than you might think especially if you had to have no more than 2 laps >worse that PB+2 secs. Just an idea.Good idea, I do my practice by learning certain corners: first trying to find a right way around and then making sure I can do it consistently.

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>Cheers, >Jens > >[1] He's very good but quite expensive. So far I've paid him compliments >and respect, but I'm running a bit low on kind words to accurately >describe the way he has improved my driving. :-) >[2] You are actually not allowed to describe a Rank below zero as >anything but outstanding, undeserved, and lucky. Transgression could be >punished by "The Sigh of St. Eldred". ;-) (Don't even think about going >negative in less than a year!)

You should have warned me earlier ;> Alex (alexti)

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>On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:45:45 GMT, [email hidden] >(Alex) wrote: > >Alex, > >>PB at Monza is 1:28.60, normal laps are high 1:28 to high 1:29. >>At Mosport PB is 1:22.34, normals laps up to mid 1:23, though >>I didn't run much there. > >Thanks for the info .. more later > >>I was judging my relative speed using GPLRank. At Monza I am >>in 7th hundred, at Silverstone - in 6th, while at Mosport and >>Nurburgring - in 3rd hundred. Clearly something is wrong >>with my driving. > >I wouldn't say so, or at least not based on the above. 2 things spring >to mind. The first and most relevant is that Monza is IMO the most >practiced and raced track there is. I have seen people well into >the 1:28s who are nowhere near Papy times at other tracks. Even >without "knowing" anything about technique, if you go round and >round enough times you will get fairly fast adn be able to pop one >of those lucky laps in. The second is slightly related to the first, >as it is the most raced track, many GPLRank times will be from races >and it is quite possible for lots of those times to be slipstream >assisted. I've never set a PB in a race there myself but I have got >a significant speed boost running behind someone, then passing >into Parabolica. It's not going to turn a 1:29 guy into a 1:28 but it >may move a 1:28.7 into a 1:28.4 etc.

You have raised two very good points I didn't think about. >Instead of looking at GPLRanking, check your time as a percentage >of the WR time, adn see how it compares to your others.This one is not very reliable, because at Monza the fast driver has much less opportunities to make a difference than at Nurburgring. >At 1:28.60 you are doing a lot right, I think another .50 could come >from just having the confidence when going into L2 to get on the >power just that little bit earlier.You are 0.01 off the mark ;>. I have downloaded and studied your GPLEGS a bit, read your posts and carefully examined my line through Lesmo 2. After I have made some revisions I started to lap faster in general, made several laps in 1:28.40-1:28.60 range and produced a lucky lap of 1:28.09 - 0.51 improvement. Now back to practice -- I need to learn to do consistently what I did on good laps :> Thank you for your help. Interesting that the change I've made in my line is hardly noticable in the Replay Analyzer. <snip> Alex (alexti)

"Maxx" <[email hidden]> wrote ... <snip> > Generally, sliding on the exit of a corner greater than 90deg or even > less is not fast. Tire squeal on entry is fine, but on exit, needs to > be at a minumum (just enough to let you know you are going fast > enough).<snip> Thanks Maxx, that one paragraph cut my Kyalami PB by a second (still over the Papy time though). In trying to go faster out of corners I was accelerating too soon, I followed your tip and tried waiting what seemed like an age before squeezing the throttle and there it was, a new PB. I'll just have to make the time to go through GPLEGS now. -- Tony Whitley GPLRank +10.90 (from 12.8, I slithered around Zandvoort a bit quicker too)

On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 04:18:43 GMT, [email hidden] (Alex) wrote: >>Instead of looking at GPLRanking, check your time as a percentage >>of the WR time, and see how it compares to your others. >This one is not very reliable, because at Monza the fast driver >has much less opportunities to make a difference than at Nurburgring. I'm not sure I quite understand, I think if you take it as a percenrtage, it is a pretty good rule of thumb. I, and others, have also found that once you "know" a track, practicing on other tracks to get within your target percentage of the WR will allow you to go back to a track and often improve without any real conscious change. There comes a point where you become fixed into driving a circuit the same way, taking a few days away and running other tracks helps you come back fresh.

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>>At 1:28.60 you are doing a lot right, I think another .50 could come >>from just having the confidence when going into L2 to get on the >>power just that little bit earlier. >You are 0.01 off the mark ;>. I have downloaded and studied your GPLEGS >a bit, read your posts and carefully examined my line through Lesmo 2. >After I have made some revisions I started to lap faster in general, >made several laps in 1:28.40-1:28.60 range and produced a lucky lap of >1:28.09 - 0.51 improvement. Now back to practice -- I need to learn to do >consistently what I did on good laps :> Thank you for your help.

Hey thats Great, over half a second in one day, and that half a second at 1:28.60 is about equiv to a 1:32 guy getting into the 1:29s. >Interesting that the change I've made in my line is hardly noticable >in the Replay Analyzer. I can well believe it, it's also possible to to have an identical line and be quicker, just by taking maybe a slightly slower line in (giving you a better balance) and getting on the power earlier. To see this the Graph function is ideal, switch on Time Difference and see where you are really gaining and losing time (not so easy to pick up watching the playback). Glad I was able to help. Maxx

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>"Maxx" <[email hidden]> wrote ... ><snip> >> Generally, sliding on the exit of a corner greater than 90deg or even >> less is not fast. Tire squeal on entry is fine, but on exit, needs to >> be at a minumum (just enough to let you know you are going fast >> enough). ><snip> > >Thanks Maxx, that one paragraph cut my Kyalami PB by a second (still over >the Papy time though). In trying to go faster out of corners I was >accelerating too soon, I followed your tip and tried waiting what seemed >like an age before squeezing the throttle and there it was, a new PB. > >I'll just have to make the time to go through GPLEGS now.

Tim, Yes, Kyalami is a classic "wait for it" track. An interesting experiment for anyone here would be to do the same thing. Run a few laps but hold back for an extra quarter to half a second before getting back on the power, trying to avoid anything other than the slightest hint of tire-squeal on the exits. I'd say this applies to almost every corner, with the possible exception of the last one, where you need to get on the power asap but ideally in a high gear so as not to get any wheelspin. Most laps I see the bend itself taken in 2G but 3G snatched 3/4 way through and used as the exit gear. Maxx

"Maxx" <[email hidden]> wrote ... > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:49:24 -0000, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l > e y @ nStPlAwMorld.com> wrote: ><snip> > > Tim,I'm so grateful I'll overlook that :-) > I'd say this applies to almost every corner, with the possible > exception of the last one, where you need to get on the power > asap but ideally in a high gear so as not to get any wheelspin.Interesting, the last corner was where I was most aware of waiting. I was always so desperate to gain exit speed and so accelerated too early. > Most laps I see the bend itself taken in 2G but 3G snatched 3/4 > way through and used as the exit gear.I'll try that. Now if I can only master Jukskei Sweep (T3L) too then maybe I'll get under the Papy time. -- Tony Whitley GPLRank +10.90

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:47:35 -0000, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l e y @ nStPlAwMorld.com> wrote:

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> >"Maxx" <[email hidden]> wrote ... >> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:49:24 -0000, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l >> e y @ nStPlAwMorld.com> wrote: >> Tim, >I'm so grateful I'll overlook that :-)

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>> I'd say this applies to almost every corner, with the possible >> exception of the last one, where you need to get on the power >> asap but ideally in a high gear so as not to get any wheelspin. >Interesting, the last corner was where I was most aware of waiting. I was >always so desperate to gain exit speed and so accelerated too early. > >> Most laps I see the bend itself taken in 2G but 3G snatched 3/4 >> way through and used as the exit gear. >I'll try that. Now if I can only master Jukskei Sweep (T3L) too then maybe >I'll get under the Papy time.

Depends on your gearing, if you need to c/up to 4G just before it, try leaving it until mid-corner. It's generally not a good idea to change gear IN the corner, as it makes the back end go light and "come around" slightly. In this case, that is a benefit. If you don't do that I would certainly suggest backing out of the throttle quite a bit as you turn in (say 50%) and not getting back on it until just after the apex. I have also seen drivers who move well over onto the dirt on the right before turning. That can help if you can pull it off smoothly. Maxx

In article <QJB46.47573$[email hidden]>, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l e y @ nStPlAwMorld.com> writes: >Thanks Maxx, that one paragraph cut my Kyalami PB by a second (still over >the Papy time though). In trying to go faster out of corners I was >accelerating too soon, I followed your tip and tried waiting what seemed >like an age before squeezing the throttle and there it was, a new PB. Really? Wow...it hasn't come that easily for me... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l e y @ nStPlAwMorld.com> writes: > > >Thanks Maxx, that one paragraph cut my Kyalami PB by a second (still over > >the Papy time though). In trying to go faster out of corners I was > >accelerating too soon, I followed your tip and tried waiting what seemed > >like an age before squeezing the throttle and there it was, a new PB. > > Really? Wow...it hasn't come that easily for me... :( > > Eldred > --

What he really meant was this Eldred. 'I saw your post and decided to try it out. since I haven't put enough effort in at Kyalami, I started there. The additional laps and your suggestions have resulted in improving my lap times.' I learned long ago that some folks grasp this stuff very easily and others don't. Either that or everybody else on the planet cheats cheats cheats...hehe dave henrie

In article <xrN46.226122$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> > Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l e y @ nStPlAwMorld.com> writes: >> >> >Thanks Maxx, that one paragraph cut my Kyalami PB by a second (still over >> >the Papy time though). In trying to go faster out of corners I was >> >accelerating too soon, I followed your tip and tried waiting what seemed >> >like an age before squeezing the throttle and there it was, a new PB. >> >> Really? Wow...it hasn't come that easily for me... :( >> >> Eldred >> -- > What he really meant was this Eldred. >'I saw your post and decided to try it out. since I haven't put enough >effort in >at Kyalami, I started there. The additional laps and your suggestions have >resulted in improving my lap times.' > I learned long ago that some folks grasp this stuff very easily and others >don't. Either that or everybody else on the planet cheats cheats >cheats...hehe

<g> Ok, I'm just on the wrong end of the Bell curve... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote ... > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote ... > > > Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l e y @ nStPlAwMorld.com> writes: > > > > >Thanks Maxx, that one paragraph cut my Kyalami PB by a second (stillover > > >the Papy time though). In trying to go faster out of corners I was > > >accelerating too soon, I followed your tip and tried waiting whatseemed

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> > >like an age before squeezing the throttle and there it was, a new PB. > > > > Really? Wow...it hasn't come that easily for me... :( > > > > Eldred > > -- > What he really meant was this Eldred. > 'I saw your post and decided to try it out. since I haven't put enough > effort in > at Kyalami, I started there. The additional laps and your suggestions

have > resulted in improving my lap times.'Not true! I've had this damned game since it came out and Kyalami was one of the first tracks I tried. Now if you'd said Monaco or Mexico you'd have been right. This technique was a genuine eye-opener, and one that I'm trying out at other tracks. > I learned long ago that some folks grasp this stuff very easily andothers > don't.I'm in the latter category. > Either that or everybody else on the planet cheats cheats > cheats...heheAll this stuff about the engine swapper and changing the track surface made me wonder, then I checked out one of Greger Huttu's replays and realised that there's no substitute for talent! -- Tony Whitley GPLRank +10.65 (see, it's down again :)

On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 04:03:26 GMT, [email hidden] (Alex) wrote:

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>Hi all, > >Can anybody give me any suggestions, about >how to learn to slide the car around the corners? > >I mean I understand the theory, but I can't make it >in practice and after two days of trying I don't >feel I go anywhere. I tried at Monza, and analyzing >tools shows that everybody is faster than me out of the >corners, because my car is much less straight and I >can't accelerate as early. If I try to make a good >exit I have to slow down too much in the corner. > >Is there any methods to learn it step-by-step? > >Thanks in advance, >Alex.

For now stick with Monza and practice turn 1. It might be beneficial to loosen the car up by reducing the front sway bar (or tightening the back depending on springs). You might also try adding some negative camber to the backs. The theory is that on a slide the outside rear will be flat and the inside rear is very not flat. FWIW I think a tighter setup is a better combo at Monza--assuming you can slide.